Obama sends new troops to Iraq: Is this preparation for a ‘new mission?’

posted at 7:21 pm on August 12, 2014 by Noah Rothman

With hundreds of American military “advisors” already on the ground in Iraq, the White House revealed on Tuesday that it is contemplating sending at least another 130U.S. military experts and special forces to that country to help Kurdish and Iraqi Security Forces in their struggle against ISIS militants.

Reuters reported on Tuesday that an “internal discussion” within the White House is underway, and no final decision has been made. Nevertheless, an anonymous source revealed that the administration is poised to increase the number of troops in Iraq in order to combat the ISIS threat.

“Since fighters from the self-styled Islamic State, an al Qaeda offshoot, seized much of northwestern Iraq in June, the United States has sent about 700 military personnel to protect U.S. diplomats there and take stock of Iraq’s military capacity,” Reuters reported.

CNN’s Barbara Starr reported on Tuesday American military personnel may be tasked with facilitating the extraction of the encircled Yazidi minority from their current position on top of Mt. Sinjar in western Iraq. She added that this would constitute a “new mission” for American military forces, but to explicitly say so would be politically problematic for the Obama administration.

It is irrefutable, however, that Obama’s proposed “humanitarian corridor” which would allow for the extraction of the Yazidis from the ISIS-held regions of Iraq to safer quarters would necessarily require so-called boots on the ground.

The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday that the Pentagon is considering a rescue mission which would utilize U.S. troops. That would likely result in American forces executing combat operations against ISIS militants.

While the proposal is still under development, U.S. officials said the military is considering staging a dangerous rescue operation that could for the first time put American troops in direct confrontation with Sunni fighters.

Any plan would have to be approved by President Barack Obama. U.S. officials said the rescue mission is one of many options the U.S. military is weighing after dropping food and water to dying refugees for the past six days.

It is nothing more than a politically satisfying fiction to assert that such a mission could be carried out via airpower alone. Even a robust multinational force would likely be unable to accomplish this feat from the air.

Updated to reflect new reports which indicate 130 rather than 100 American troops will be sent to Iraq.


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Bush’s war…

OmahaConservative on August 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Now we just need a Gulf of Persia resolution.

rbj on August 12, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Bush’s war…

OmahaConservative on August 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM

?

hawkdriver on August 12, 2014 at 7:25 PM

???????????????:

https://twitter.com/kristina_wong

Kristina Wong @kristina_wong · 22m

Hagel tells Marine: “No boots on the ground in #Iraq or #Israel.”

canopfor on August 12, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Iraq war is illegal and all these actions are supporting that.

weedisgood on August 12, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Bush’s war…

OmahaConservative on August 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM

?

hawkdriver on August 12, 2014 at 7:25 PM

hawkdriver: Me thinks OC, forgot the (sarc) tag, thingy:)

canopfor on August 12, 2014 at 7:27 PM

“I didn’t send in troops. This was a leftover plan from the previous administration”

-Semi Retired President Barack Milhouse Obama

portlandon on August 12, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Bush’s war…

OmahaConservative on August 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Very much.
We had no business in ‘civilization’ 5th century people.

In the words of John McCain “it will take 100 years”.
We laughed at him when he said that but he hasn’t wrong after all.

weedisgood on August 12, 2014 at 7:28 PM

*’civilizing’

weedisgood on August 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM

weedisgood on August 12, 2014 at 7:28 PM

You had no business.

hawkdriver on August 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM

How is it Bush’s fault when Obama is bombing the place??

sorrowen on August 12, 2014 at 7:31 PM

While the proposal is still under development, U.S. officials said the military is considering staging a dangerous rescue operation that could for the first time put American troops in direct confrontation with Sunni fighters.

My prayers will be with our brave men and women of the Armed forces as they take this dangerous mission.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Iraq crisis
4m

Secretary of Defense Hagel announces additional assessment team sent to Iraq – @DeptofDefense
End of alert
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U.S. Dept of Defense @DeptofDefense · 3m

Breaking: #SecDef Hagel announces that additional assessment team will be sent to #Iraq

https://twitter.com/DeptofDefense

canopfor on August 12, 2014 at 7:01 PM

canopfor on August 12, 2014 at 7:34 PM

https://twitter.com/USATODAY

Iraq crisis
4m

Defense Department official: US military sends 130 advisers to northern Iraq to plan for evacuation of refugees – @USATODAY
Read more on usatoday.com

canopfor on August 12, 2014 at 6:51 PM

canopfor on August 12, 2014 at 7:34 PM

It’s not mission creep. The mission is to cover Obama’s a$$ through the news cycle. The tactic is stick a wet finger in the wind and do whatever seems likely to generate positive spin, or something that can be spun, at the least.

There is no strategy. It’s all ad-hoc.

novaculus on August 12, 2014 at 7:37 PM

I don’t want to start a new flame war, but I did want to respond to some misconceptions from the previous thread. To summarize the ISIS is a nasty piece of work, and they are no doubt a hardcore terrorist group. Also now that I have put my emotions aside from seeing that gruesome stoning video, I will conclude with these main points.

I still don’t think most Yazidis are any more civilized than your run of the mill Muzzie radical.

Something else to consider, when they stoned that woman to death, the cheers in the crowd were similar to the cheers you would hear at a football stadium after a winning touchdown.

Then if killing her wasn’t enough they dragged her through the streets while random people spit on her, then she was buried with a dog. And finally if that wasn’t enough they later exhumed her body to see if she was a virgin.

No one was arrested, no one was condemned, no was even given a slap on the wrist.

If you still want to believe that these people are some innocent persecuted people, that’s fine.

Non-sequiturs like it was the only video, or it was an isolated incident are both disingenuous and inaccurate.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Obamahitler lied, people died.

Mark1971 on August 12, 2014 at 7:42 PM

OK, it’s trite, it’s over used and it’s not clever anymore but … Obama’s chickens really have come home to roost.

Dan_NV on August 12, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Mission creep

Please leave Obama alone.

faraway on August 12, 2014 at 7:46 PM

This is confusing. Horseface was on the news just two hours ago saying no American troops will be sent to Iraq. Zero. Nada. None.

Did State not get the memo? Or is he just stupid?

MTF on August 12, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 7:39 PM

We should rescue these people not because of who they are, but despite who they are, because of who we are.

novaculus on August 12, 2014 at 7:46 PM

How is it Bush’s fault when Obama is bombing the place??

sorrowen on August 12, 2014 at 7:31 PM

The bombs are labeled either “Chimpy” or “Dubya.” Obama using Bush’s bombs is still Bush’s fault because he made it possible for those bombs to be used for this situation in the first place.

/liberal logic

Aizen on August 12, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Bush’s war…

OmahaConservative on August 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM

No. Bush’s bombs. Obama’s humanitarian aid.

faraway on August 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM

I hate 2nd place.

faraway on August 12, 2014 at 7:48 PM

While the proposal is still under development, U.S. officials said the military is considering staging a dangerous rescue operation that could for the first time put American troops in direct confrontation with Sunni fighters.

Would that be some of the same “Sunni fighters” that we armed during “The Surge”?

VorDaj on August 12, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Obama has to put military advisers there so he can justify bombing more ISIS targets in Iraq.

——————-

(Who is pulling the strings on ISIS? The Saudis…Muslim Brotherhood?)

With Iraq so weak why hasn’t IRAN intervened there?

Lots of things don’t make sense.

albill on August 12, 2014 at 7:52 PM

In the words of John McCain “it will take 100 years”.
We laughed at him when he said that but he hasn’t wrong after all.

weedisgood on August 12, 2014 at 7:28 PM

You laughed at him you mean. It seemed obvious to many of us at the time.

No sound government can arise on it’s own so soon after such a downfall in a place like Iraq. Anybody with any sense of history knows that. It takes generations to establish a stable government after such a downfall.

HotAirian on August 12, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Also if you see the video you will notice several men dressed in police/military uniforms “keeping” the peace as the woman was getting stoned, and brutalized.

And the Yaazidis didn’t condemn this, the Kurds did.

Extremely graphic video, NSFW.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Good thing poodle breath practically insisted that it come to this.

V7_Sport on August 12, 2014 at 7:55 PM

We should rescue these people not because of who they are, but despite who they are, because of who we are.

novaculus on August 12, 2014 at 7:46 PM

I never said we should stand idly by as people get killed, but we must also understand who we are dealing with here.

Why don’t we also rescue the victims of genocide in Africa, especially DRC, Somalia, Rwanda?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 7:55 PM

I can see it NOW

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!

And the MEDIA will applaud, genuflect and slide on their KNEE PADS!

And our media does not say anything about Obama bombing his DONORS!

Obamatrix on August 12, 2014 at 7:56 PM

UK to deploy Tornados for ISR over Iraq
Gareth Jennings, London – IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly
12 August 2014
**************

http://www.janes.com/article/41813/uk-to-deploy-tornados-for-isr-over-iraq

http://www.janes.com/

canopfor on August 12, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Bush’s war…

OmahaConservative on August 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM

?

hawkdriver on August 12, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Well, everything IS his fault, after all.

Why, he even caused Obama to take credit for winning the Iraq War, then caused him to lose it.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 12, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Something tells me, Raquel Pinkbullet, that your ‘ISIS friends’ are not going after any Yazidis who stoned women to death to kill the stoners for doing such a monstrous thing, but rather those who didn’t and don’t stone woman to death. Something also tells me that your hate for the Yazidis lays elsewhere.

VorDaj on August 12, 2014 at 7:58 PM

I hate 2nd place.

faraway on August 12, 2014 at 7:48 PM

We won this thing, it was deliberately f-ed up by this disaster of an administration.

V7_Sport on August 12, 2014 at 7:58 PM

It’s not mission creep. The mission is to cover Obama’s a$$ through the news cycle. The tactic is stick a wet finger in the wind and do whatever seems likely to generate positive spin, or something that can be spun, at the least.

There is no strategy. It’s all ad-hoc.

novaculus on August 12, 2014 at 7:37 PM

As Hillary explains, “Don’t Do Stupid Stuff” is not a strategy.

But apparently, “Do Stupid Stuff With No Planning, and Hope It All Works Out Somehow” is the epitome of good strategy.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 12, 2014 at 8:00 PM

I hope our guys have alternate supply and extraction plans.

This is the crowd that gave us Benghazi.

formwiz on August 12, 2014 at 8:01 PM

No blood for oil!!!

The Notorious G.O.P on August 12, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Ahh, those Dem presidents just can’t keep the country out of war, can they? Channeling LBJ this time…

worldtvlr on August 12, 2014 at 8:03 PM

In the words of John McCain “it will take 100 years”.
We laughed at him when he said that but he hasn’t wrong after all.

weedisgood on August 12, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Actually he said if it takes a 100 years, and in a 100 years we will be a Spanish speaking third world one party state with most troops shooting starving and rioting Americans.

VorDaj on August 12, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Something tells me, Raquel Pinkbullet, that your ‘ISIS friends’ are not going after any Yazidis who stoned women to death to kill the stoners for doing such a monstrous thing, but rather those who didn’t and don’t stone woman to death. Something also tells me that your hate for the Yazidis lays elsewhere.

VorDaj on August 12, 2014 at 7:58 PM

I’m assuming you didn’t see the stoning video? It isn’t like it was a few people, it was at least several thousand, in the town square. And these people were stoning a woman to death while people in police/military uniforms were keeping the “peace.”

What could my “secret” motives be for not liking the Yazidis? As if that video wasn’t reason enough.

The ISIS is targeting everyone, they are terrorists, but that doesn’t mean that the ISIS doesn’t also target radical muslims. That doesn’t even make sense..what you said.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 8:05 PM

I think that obama should spare the Army and Marines on this one. He has spent so much of our money on his praetorian guard and SS forces, let him send them to fight “terror” in Iraq. He could also send TSA, ATF, and homeland security – you know, all those “kombat trained” thugs he has created.

Old Country Boy on August 12, 2014 at 8:07 PM

The only mission creep is the one seated behind the Resolute desk.

partsnlabor on August 12, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Wait. Will they be entering Iraq without a SOFA in place?

corkie on August 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM

I’m assuming you didn’t see the stoning video? It isn’t like it was a few people, it was at least several thousand, in the town square. And these people were stoning a woman to death while people in police/military uniforms were keeping the “peace.”

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Well let’s rescue the Yazidis anyway and then perhaps you could pick out the stoners from the video and we could drop them back where we found them. In the meantime, I don’t want to condemn all Yazidi women and children to be raped and slaughtered by ISIS. But maybe I’m just a softie.

VorDaj on August 12, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Why don’t we also rescue the victims of genocide in Africa, especially DRC, Somalia, Rwanda?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 7:55 PM

No one is stopping private missions from taking on such tasks. So long as the President doesn’t forbid it, then it is perfectly allowable. Also the UN has been involved in a few of those places and the entire Blackhawk Down thing gave Clinton a bloody nose, enough to convince him to stay out of there.

We currently have outstanding war articles in Iraq: Obama walked away from the SOFA, which were the means to get to a final peace in the conflict. Part of our commitment in the Hague and Geneva Conventions is the dedication to ensuring that civilians are sheltered or, after having one’s own or an allies’ civilians attacked, to give warning to a civilian population that you will be attacking infrastructure and that civilians will be in danger.

Here we have a piratical group, namely ISIS, that fights on its own with no war articles, by no code and is wantonly killing not just Christians and Yazidis, but their Sunni Muslims who do NOT follow their faction’s beliefs. They are also reported to be slavers, which is moving out of the shadows and into the mainstream of global thought.

It does not matter if one agrees to the war in Iraq or not: that was decided by Congress and it put the CAUF out and it requires removing all terrorist threats from Iraq. I consider that to be an absolutely impossible article to fulfill, but Obama has NOT called Congress on the war articles save to see if they could all be withdrawn. That is a tacit admission that they are still in place and unfulfilled.

If we aren’t going to abide by the treaties we signed on to in regards to protecting civilian life in a war zone, then why do we consider ourselves civilized? We had no such commitment in Rwanda, DRC, Chad, Mali, Somalia, Venezuela, and only a passing commitment to Philippines due to the Spanish-American War, which is why we assist in helping to get rid of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front and its various factions. Yes, we are still living with the aftermath of the Spanish-American War and our commitments from that… so unless we have outstanding war articles or the approval of Congress via a bill to intervene, then no matter how bad the genocide, the President’s hands are tied. They are NOT tied in Iraq and the Administration KNOWS IT.

That is why we are in Iraq and until someone can get all of the CAUF fulfilled OR get an agreeable peace arrangement set up with the new government, we will continue to be on the hook for the disasters of that place. And Afghanistan, too, which is why I recommend a treaty and leave for it. Congress passed far too broad CAUF’s for the two theaters and we are going to regret that, no end.

ajacksonian on August 12, 2014 at 8:14 PM

While the proposal is still under development, U.S. officials said the military is considering staging a dangerous rescue operation that could for the first time put American troops in direct confrontation with Sunni fighters.

Get ready for a Carter style rescue mission.

Look if you want to create a rescue corridor, just B-52 a corridor, and then use other air assets to destroy every vehicle (pickup truck, car, etc.) seen moving in IS territory, aka Arab “Sunniland”. After that is accomplished the Kurds, and American advisors (aka Special Forces), can clean up whatever is left around the mountain and the people can leave.

ISIS is not the VA or Vietcong…they have never experienced a mass B-52 strike…it is like God has arrived and he is not a happy deity..

William Eaton on August 12, 2014 at 8:16 PM

I hate 2nd place.

faraway on August 12, 2014 at 7:48 PM

That’s awesome because we didn’t come in second place.

hawkdriver on August 12, 2014 at 8:16 PM

weedisgood on August 12, 2014 at 7:28 PM

How do you address the risk of being attacked by radical elements that are allowed to prepare and train in non-civilized countries? Do you support having our rights infringed via Patriot Act and NSA stuff, or would you rather that we just allow ourselves to being exposed to the risk. I’m not telling you my opinion until after you share yours.

corkie on August 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 7:55 PM

For someone not trying to start a flame war on this thread, you seem pretty determined to keep fanning the fireplace.

butch on August 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 7:39 PM

how stupid do you think we are?
do you think you’re the only one here who has researched this group?
do you have any idea how many of us are ex military/dod and have had to know this stuff to survive?
the children dying there have nothing to do with what the elders do/did and do not deserve extermination.
the only person I’ve seen saying anything good about them is YOU saying someone said it.

stop digging that damned hole.

dmacleo on August 12, 2014 at 8:20 PM

the United States has sent about 700 military personnel to protect U.S. diplomats there and take stock of Iraq’s military capacity

That’s half a regiment.

I keep seeing in my head the graphic Rush used to always put up showing the back of Obama as he’s staring at the teleprompter. All that’s scolling on the teleprompter over and over is, “It’s all Bush’s fault.”

No one was arrested, no one was condemned, no was even given a slap on the wrist.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 7:39 PM

From your source, Wikipedia,

Authorities in Northern Iraq have arrested four people in connection with the killing.

UnstChem on August 12, 2014 at 8:21 PM

How do you address the risk of being attacked by radical elements that are allowed to prepare and train in non-civilized countries? Do you support having our rights infringed via Patriot Act and NSA stuff, or would you rather that we just allow ourselves to being exposed to the risk. I’m not telling you my opinion until after you share yours.

corkie on August 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Well, You posed the question so state your answers first.

weedisgood on August 12, 2014 at 8:21 PM

ajacksonian on August 12, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Ok. I just don’t think we should be putting boots on the ground, now some limited scope targeted drone strikes/no fly zone type mission to prevent further bloodshed I would favor.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 8:27 PM

hawkdriver: Me thinks OC, forgot the (sarc) tag, thingy:)

canopfor on August 12, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Yup…

OmahaConservative on August 12, 2014 at 8:28 PM

ajacksonian on August 12, 2014 at 8:14 PM

HotAir can be very educational at times. Thank you for that tidbit.

UnstChem on August 12, 2014 at 8:28 PM

the United States has sent about 700 military personnel to protect U.S. diplomats there and take stock of Iraq’s military capacity
That’s half a regiment.

I keep seeing in my head the graphic Rush used to always put up showing the back of Obama as he’s staring at the teleprompter. All that’s scolling on the teleprompter over and over is, “It’s all Bush’s fault.”

No one was arrested, no one was condemned, no was even given a slap on the wrist.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 7:39 PM
From your source, Wikipedia,
Authorities in Northern Iraq have arrested four people in connection with the killing.
UnstChem on August 12, 2014 at 8:21 PM

The Kurds. Not the Yazidis.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 8:29 PM

how stupid do you think we are?
do you think you’re the only one here who has researched this group?
do you have any idea how many of us are ex military/dod and have had to know this stuff to survive?
the children dying there have nothing to do with what the elders do/did and do not deserve extermination.
the only person I’ve seen saying anything good about them is YOU saying someone said it.

stop digging that damned hole.

dmacleo on August 12, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Ok I agreed with the general premise that we offer support to stop the bloodshed. Like I alluded to up-thread.

This has nothing to do with my point. I never condone violence, or ethnic cleansing, no matter what.

I just don’t want American blood spilled in the service of this mission.

There are plenty of other victims of persecution and genocide around the world.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 8:34 PM

weedisgood on August 12, 2014 at 7:28 PM

You. You are alone. Quite a quandary you’ve constructed for yourself.

Bmore on August 12, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Will they be allowed to wear boots….?

d1carter on August 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

For someone not trying to start a flame war on this thread, you seem pretty determined to keep fanning the fireplace.

butch on August 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM

To me this has become overtly politicized. And it’s sad. My point is really just, in a region like that there really are NO good guys/gals.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

How do you address the risk of being attacked by radical elements that are allowed to prepare and train in non-civilized countries? Do you support having our rights infringed via Patriot Act and NSA stuff, or would you rather that we just allow ourselves to being exposed to the risk. I’m not telling you my opinion until after you share yours.

corkie on August 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Well, You posed the question so state your answers first.

weedisgood on August 12, 2014 at 8:21 PM

No, you stated that war was the wrong answer, so I’m giving you a chance to tell us the right answer. Or are you one of these people that never helps find solutions, but criticizes everyone that tries something that doesn’t work? I’m guessing you are.

corkie on August 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Would that be some of the same “Sunni fighters” that we armed during “The Surge”?

VorDaj on August 12, 2014 at 7:51 PM

No, it’s the Sunni fighters Obama armed via Benghazi through Turkey – the arming that caused our Ambassador to get killed.

corkie on August 12, 2014 at 8:40 PM

When 700 you’ve already got just won’t do – you send in 130.

Ok, sure. I totally buy that.

Recon5 on August 12, 2014 at 8:46 PM

ajacksonian on August 12, 2014 at 8:14 PM

You mean all those Rwanda and Tibet bumper stickers I see every time I have to speed thru Boulder are brandished by ignoramuses?

The Kurds. Not the Yazidis.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 8:29 PM

implied facepalm

UnstChem on August 12, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Mini-Surge!

GarandFan on August 12, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Oh my, I see the “a war approved by Congress is illegal” bunch has finally arrived. Joy. Familiarize yourselves with this document for a second. Thanks, have a great day and may the Illuminati forever be in your favor.

Ebola on August 12, 2014 at 8:58 PM

implied facepalm

UnstChem on August 12, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Are you suggesting the Kurds and Yazidis are the same? Because I can assure you that is not true.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

I would stand in front of my child and take a bullet before I would EVER allow my child to serve under this Traitor.

FUBO

Key West Reader on August 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Are you suggesting the Kurds and Yazidis are the same? Because I can assure you that is not true.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

As a rule, Raquel Pinkbullet, I’m normally pretty calm and objective. However, your attempts at some type of moral equivalence arguments have fallen flat.

Rather than sit back and listen to other voices of reason, you have attacked some very esteemed posters these last few days with inane talking points from some bum hacks at the DNC over everything from Israel, to Gaza, to Iraq, etc.

I’m not one to shout or yell, but I’m respectfully requesting a TOS review for you. This is a respectable blog. This isn’t Yahoo or Google chat and this ain’t Facebook.

/That is all. commence with your trolling. Good day.

Key West Reader on August 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Are you suggesting the Kurds and Yazidis are the same? Because I can assure you that is not true.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

From your source:

The Yazidi (also Yezidi, Êzidî, Yazdani, Arabic: ایزدیان‎ Ayziyan, Armenian: Եզդիներ Ezdiner, Russian: Езиды Ezidy) are a Kurdish ethnoreligious group who practice a syncretic religion that combines Shia and Sufi Islam with indigenous regional folk traditions.

See my previous post for further enlightenment.

UnstChem on August 12, 2014 at 9:35 PM

This is how we got into Vietnam, a few hundred advisers at a time.

Joseph OHenry on August 12, 2014 at 9:36 PM

In my opinion, this has nothing to do with rescuing those people but stopping and if possible eliminating ISIS. The horror being visited upon the Iraqi people is what they want to bring to us. We can fight them there or we can fight them here. Their leaders have said they will come here. I think they need to meet a real army that can bring them to ruin in a hurry. We just need to kill as many ISIS fighters and their leaders, destroy their equipment, trap them and kill them. All of them. That is what they will do to your children if we give them a chance.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on August 12, 2014 at 9:38 PM

RP you were pwnd.

CW on August 12, 2014 at 9:41 PM

As a rule, Raquel Pinkbullet, I’m normally pretty calm and objective. However, your attempts at some type of moral equivalence arguments have fallen flat.

Rather than sit back and listen to other voices of reason, you have attacked some very esteemed posters these last few days with inane talking points from some bum hacks at the DNC over everything from Israel, to Gaza, to Iraq, etc.

I’m not one to shout or yell, but I’m respectfully requesting a TOS review for you. This is a respectable blog. This isn’t Yahoo or Google chat and this ain’t Facebook.

/That is all. commence with your trolling. Good day.

Key West Reader on August 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Everything is political with you? What exactly was my DNC talking points on Israel? Did I support Gaza?

That’s what’s sad about this, I say the Yazidis may not be these super sympathetic people and I’m a troll.

Despite the fact that I based my whole premise on the honor killing.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 9:44 PM

From your source:
The Yazidi (also Yezidi, Êzidî, Yazdani, Arabic: ایزدیان‎ Ayziyan, Armenian: Եզդիներ Ezdiner, Russian: Езиды Ezidy) are a Kurdish ethnoreligious group who practice a syncretic religion that combines Shia and Sufi Islam with indigenous regional folk traditions.
See my previous post for further enlightenment.

UnstChem on August 12, 2014 at 9:35 PM

I will post this here since this has already been discussed over and over.

I didn’t assert anything beyond “philosophically” the yezidis are just as apt to go barbaric on isis. Why? Because it’s an islamic sect.

Yes the article is “sympathetic” to them and so are there dozens of articles that told us that islam is a religion of peace and that the wahhabis are a benevolent society concerned with missionary work and outreach. Or what if you read CAIRs selfserving articles?

Most westerners have never heard of the yezidis, seeing how they number about a half million and are somewhat related to the Kurds. About as much as inbred Appalachian hillbillies are related to Virginians. That’s why I said to start there with that article.

What RPB spoke of happened in the town square and after the burial, they exhumed her and sent her to a lab. To prove what? To determine whether or not she was a virgin!!! What??? Also it wasn’t the yezidis that condemned the act, it was the Kurds, the distant non-inbred relatives. That there’s only one video doesn’t disprove the mindset of this particular clan. Especially seeing how no one was punished.

Make of it what you will.

AH_C on August 12, 2014 at 7:16 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 9:46 PM

RP you were pwnd.

CW on August 12, 2014 at 9:41 PM

Pawned I was, yeah. The Yazidis are a break off sect from the Kurds.

Gypsies and Indians would be another example of that.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Despite the fact that I based my whole premise on [one event].

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 9:44 PM

At least you readily admit this. At least you admit to condemning an entire population based on one event. You are basically admitting your racism despite despite the fact that you aggressively objected to anyone condemning a population for the actions of 15%-20% yesterday.

corkie on August 12, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Despite the fact that I based my whole premise on [one event].

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 9:44 PM
At least you readily admit this. At least you admit to condemning an entire population based on one event. You are basically admitting your racism despite despite the fact that you aggressively objected to anyone condemning a population for the actions of 15%-20% yesterday.

corkie on August 12, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Let me spell this out for you clearly. This one event doesn’t happen in western countries ok? GET IT?

This honor killing happened in the freaking downtown of townsquare, no one tried to stop it, no “moderates” stepped in. Do you get it?

To equate this to Western culture, it would be like freaking gangbanging thugs shooting up a neighborhood while the police and military stood by and were cheered on by the community in downtown.

See where your logic falls apart?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 9:59 PM

I swear if this was about Muslims, and I said like I did on other occasions that there are moderate Muslims, I would be branded a troll.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 10:00 PM

This one event doesn’t happen in western countries ok? GET IT?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 9:59 PM

But other, completely horrible events do happen in western countries. Do you really need a list? Do you need to watch a video about victims that were forced to swallow drain cleaner? You would freak out if entire races were condemned for these events, and yet here you are.

Then, you doubled down on your stupidity by claiming that the Yazidis would exterminate populations if they had the chance. You’re disgusting, and you make me want to vomit.

corkie on August 12, 2014 at 10:15 PM

The Yazidis are a break off sect from the Kurds.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 9:49 PM

So, according to your train of thought suggesting that Yazidis aren’t Kurds, the Mennonites in Pennsylvania aren’t Pennsylvanians or even Americans because, according to your favorite source:

Some historians and sociologists treat Mennonites as an ethno-religious group,

At this point, I’m willing to be generous and go to the hospital with you to have my foot surgically removed from your butt.

UnstChem on August 12, 2014 at 10:43 PM

The irony I am waiting for is when ISIS reaches our shore and the gubmint has to decide whether or not to arm the American populace with the weapons they’ve long desired to take and keep from us. Perhaps the first invasions will hit NY and LA first.

red villain on August 12, 2014 at 11:46 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 12, 2014 at 10:00 PM

that hole is too deep now, you dug it yourself.
enjoy being detested by everyone here.
we gave you a chance, you blew it.

dmacleo on August 13, 2014 at 9:13 AM

But other, completely horrible events do happen in western countries. Do you really need a list? Do you need to watch a video about victims that were forced to swallow drain cleaner? You would freak out if entire races were condemned for these events, and yet here you are.

Then, you doubled down on your stupidity by claiming that the Yazidis would exterminate populations if they had the chance. You’re disgusting, and you make me want to vomit.

corkie on August 12, 2014 at 10:15 PM

Again either you are dishonest, or have some secret agenda here. Yes horrible things do happen here too, BUT not in townsquare watched/condoned by the police/military and attended by several cheering thousands.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 13, 2014 at 9:34 AM

that hole is too deep now, you dug it yourself.
enjoy being detested by everyone here.
we gave you a chance, you blew it.

dmacleo on August 13, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Way to use tactics of the left.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 13, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 13, 2014 at 9:34 AM

RPB, research “techniques of neutralization.” You’re justifying your racism the same way others have been doing for centuries. Keep squawking Town Square over and over if you want, but it doesn’t justify your generalizations about the entire race.

corkie on August 13, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Way to use tactics of the left.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 13, 2014 at 9:37 AM

by being blunt and telling you its your fault?
yeah…not so much.
nobody here dug that hole for you.
now you have to deal with it.
I’ll ignore you like I usually ignore the lefties here, others will mess with you.

dmacleo on August 13, 2014 at 12:55 PM