Report: U.S. airdrops to stranded Yazidis lacked parachutes, exploded on impact

posted at 11:21 am on August 11, 2014 by Allahpundit

Fun fact, per Michael Warren: The Jonathan Krohn who wrote this piece for the Telegraph appears to be the same Jonathan Krohn who spoke at CPAC five years ago as a 13-year-old conservative firebrand. Five years later, he’s a fellow for a Kurdish media company and eyewitness to ISIS’s most visible atrocity (so far).

Anyway. C’mon, we didn’t really forget to attach parachutes to the food and water we’re dropping, did we?

I was on board an Iraqi Army helicopter, and watched as hundreds of refugees ran towards it to receive one of the few deliveries of aid to make it to the mountain. The helicopter dropped water and food from its open gun bays to them as they waited below. General Ahmed Ithwany, who led the mission, told me: “It is death valley. Up to 70 per cent of them are dead.”

Two American aid flights have also made it to the mountain, where they have dropped off more than 36,000 meals and 7,000 gallons of drinking water to help the refugees, and last night two RAF C-130 transport planes were also on the way.

However, Iraqi officials said that much of the US aid had been “useless” because it was dropped from 15,000ft without parachutes and exploded on impact.

Krohn’s piece was also published today at the Daily Mail. The opening is identical to the opening of the story quoted above but the detail about U.S. aid without parachutes is missing. WaPo’s account of what’s happening on Mount Sinjar also mentions nothing about missing parachutes and exploded aid, but does have this:

Airdrops of food and water — which apparently went awry — were followed by airstrikes, including four on Friday that targeted Islamic State positions around the mountain…

The family took refuge on a barren patch of land, and for the last three days of their ordeal they survived by sharing bottle-cap amounts of water from the last of their meager supplies. Food dropped by U.S. warplanes landed between their sanctuary and the Islamic State positions and could not be reached. For three days, they did not eat.

That’s more plausible. My best guess is that American planes were forced to fly higher than they would have liked for fear of ISIS targeting them from the ground, so that when they released the aid, some of it drifted off course and maybe got smashed apart when wind blew it against the mountain. Veterans are invited to share their own, much better informed theories in the comments or by e-mail. In any case, the point of Krohn’s and WaPo’s pieces isn’t that the delivery was inept, it’s that it was too late. People were already dying in droves; the White House mulled humanitarian relief for days before acting. In fact, it was American airstrikes against ISIS positions around the mountain, not American airdrops, that ended up saving what’s left of the Yazidis. The ones who aren’t too weak to walk now have a path down Sinjar and into Kurdistan. The ones who are too weak to walk are also almost certainly too weak to avail themselves of any new aid that ends up being dropped on the mountain. They’re going to die there.

This also helps explain why Maliki’s coup is good news for the Kurds and Yazidis, though. Until now, the White House has clung to the idea that Iraq should remain unified and that all aid, especially military aid, should go through the central government in Baghdad. That’s one reason why the Kurds are undersupplied; Maliki’s going to siphon off whatever he gets from the U.S. for Shiite use. Now that he’s betrayed Iraqi democracy, though, the White House can cut him loose, refuse to recognize his legitimacy, and deal directly with the Kurds. That means arms (and maybe military advisors?), and that means a Kurdistan that’s secure from ISIS. If Maliki wants southern Iraq to be a Iranian protectorate there’s little we can do to stop him, but we can help build a counterweight in the north. Let’s get on with it.


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airdrops to stranded Yazidis lacked parachutes, exploded on impact

So… Obama is bombing the Yazidis.

faraway on August 11, 2014 at 11:25 AM

B.S….

major dad on August 11, 2014 at 11:25 AM

maybe fouled/inop chutes but I cannot see the packages being tossed out w/o a chute.

dmacleo on August 11, 2014 at 11:27 AM

This is all great stuff.

Who else is helping the Yazidis?

Bueller? Bueller?

We should start bombing our allies, or at least the UN, for not helping. I’m quite serious.

BobMbx on August 11, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Is it starting?

MOSCOW (AP) — Kremlin says Russia is sending humanitarian convoy into Ukraine in cooperation with Red Cross

Aplombed on August 11, 2014 at 11:28 AM

If memory serves (very iffy) W had to stop the pre-bombing drop of aid in Afghanistan because some of them fell on people.

Cindy Munford on August 11, 2014 at 11:28 AM

The only time you do something like that is dropping bags of grain for animals.

But we knew that when Merrill’s Marauders were marching through Burma.

formwiz on August 11, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Please tell me they didn’t put the parachutes on the munitions.

PackerBronco on August 11, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Isn’t that an old Polish joke…like the sub with the screen door? If true, dogeater’s incompetence has filtered through every major institution. Very sad for my country.

msupertas on August 11, 2014 at 11:29 AM

I really hope this isn’t true. Our military isn’t that inept.

megthered on August 11, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Aw for crying out loud…dammit!

otlset on August 11, 2014 at 11:31 AM

The action fits the progressive/democrat/leftist narrative. “See what I did there? I provided aid!” Who cares that the order was, “Send it FVCKING now so I can get credit by Monday’s news cycle.”

UnstChem on August 11, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Completely false. The DoD released video footage of the drops and parachutes are clearly seen deploying. I’ve seen it.

Curmudgeon on August 11, 2014 at 11:32 AM

not the video

corona79 on August 11, 2014 at 11:33 AM

here is the footage of a C-130 cargo plane dropping off pallets on the mountain from a few days back, it was released by the Iraqi govt a few days ago, when i first watched it, i assumed the planes and personnel were American due to the plane and the drone footage, i am not a military expert but from what i can tell, the pallets don’t have parachutes and are exploding on impact on the ground. When i saw this i thought it was strange, now it makes sense, am i wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrdkqGKLccg#t=293

golembythebay on August 11, 2014 at 11:34 AM

C’mon, we didn’t really forget to attach parachutes to the food and water we’re dropping, did we?

No – it went EXACTLY as obama planned/ordered it.

Pork-Chop on August 11, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Well, it wasn’t, but let’s try linking again

corona79 on August 11, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Watch this video from Centcom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8r7XlI-KCs&feature=youtu.be

I see parachutes!

Momma on August 11, 2014 at 11:38 AM

The only time you do something like that is dropping bags of grain for animals.

But we knew that when Merrill’s Marauders were marching through Burma.

formwiz on August 11, 2014 at 11:28 AM

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Yeah … this is beyond defiance of common-sense.

You would almost think someone was deliberately trying to “tease” the survivors who are barely hanging on.

Why the hang wouldn’t the choppers come down to … oh, I dunno … say about FIFTEEN thousand FEET of altitude ?

Or better yet, LAND.

listens2glenn on August 11, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Jonathan Krohn?
Wait, so a 13 year old is being sent to a war zone? Parents? Any adult with responsibility? Anyone?

LoganSix on August 11, 2014 at 11:39 AM

I hear we also have ships that go underwater.

rogerb on August 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM

From helo’s; no problem.

From 15,000 ft; normally I’d say no freakin’ way. But then you take into account all the other stupid $!#† going on and I’m suddenly not so sure. You sure as hell aren’t going to get your your loads anywhere near the target unless the peaks are at 14,500 ft.

Closet Optimist on August 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM

I don’t believe it. No way would the military drop supplies without chutes.

Save Kurdistan. They are civilized! Skip Iraq completely until they get with the program: 7th century or 21st. We live in the 21st.

PattyJ on August 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Mucking forons of the world, those of you who shouted orgasmically “obama, obama, obama” in 2008, he is now all yours.

It w/b schadenfreudig, were it not so barbaric and tragic.

It’s a pity the USA is now forever labeled by this incredibly malicious Fool of the Land.

USA, you, in the majority, brung this Idiot, twice.

What an oaf on display. The helicopter in his background, told all about the child.

Any real man would have remained in the WH, or retreated to Camp David for serious strategizing…even though it is so late.

Congress, you fruckers, you are also on vacation, and just as derelict. Yes, that includes you too, Harry Mafioso Reid, you god damned creep.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM

ARE YOU EFFING SERIOUS? No way! That is the height of ineptitude!

Isn’t that an old Polish joke…like the sub with the screen door? If true, dogeater’s incompetence has filtered through every major institution. Very sad for my country.

More like the old Polish joke about cousin Stanley drowning after Uncle Alyoisius drove his pick up truck into the river because he couldn’t get the tailgate down.

Boats48 on August 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM

I’d comment but I need to go to the bathroom and drop some Obamas.

ConstantineXI on August 11, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Report: U.S. airdrops to stranded Yazidis lacked parachutes, exploded on impact

Operation Les Nesman

Par for the course for Barky and his junta of retards.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 11, 2014 at 11:41 AM

If true, I am not sure why this matters. As EON noted on the other thread if this happened it was in error. If nobody was hurt, a pretty minor error in the grand scheme of warfare.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 11:41 AM

I do not believe this… We have been doing this type of humanitarian aid for ages…

mnjg on August 11, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Jonathan Krohn?
Wait, so a 13 year old is being sent to a war zone? Parents? Any adult with responsibility? Anyone?

LoganSix on August 11, 2014 at 11:39 AM

13 5 yrs ago is 18 now

dmacleo on August 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM

here is the footage of a C-130 cargo plane dropping off pallets on the mountain from a few days back, it was released by the Iraqi govt a few days ago, when i first watched it, i assumed the planes and personnel were American due to the plane and the drone footage, i am not a military expert but from what i can tell, the pallets don’t have parachutes and are exploding on impact on the ground. When i saw this i thought it was strange, now it makes sense, am i wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrdkqGKLccg#t=293

golembythebay on August 11, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Certainly not the footage I saw. That plane is much lower, well within man-portable missile range.
The US drops were from very high, outside of missile range and at night, shot with night vision equipment. I’m looking for the video – I saw it this morning.

Curmudgeon on August 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM

“Don’t bother with the parachutes — just dump this stuff and let’s get out of here!”

- Some Obama type

Kensington on August 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM

How come the Creep in Chief never cared, still doesn’t, about how unpopular obama’care’ was/is.

Now, all of a sudden, he’s all into popular opinion.

In an ironic way he’s more unpopular than ever.

I also rejoice the “chimpey” totally destroyed him.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM

I don’t believe it. No way would the military drop supplies without chutes.

PattyJ on August 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM

They dropped crates of chutes on them, too.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM

I also rejoice the that “chimpey” totally destroyed him.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM

How come children are spokesspoofs at State?

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2014 at 11:44 AM

They thought turkeys could fly.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on August 11, 2014 at 11:45 AM

I’m tempted to cal BS for several reasons.

First, a drop from FL 15 would seem to be “contraindicated” (i.e., really bad idea) because the whole point is to get the package into a restricted area. Wind drift alone would spread the drop too far, and most of the supplies would end up in ISIS’ hands, not the Yazidis’.

Second, to do a drop from that high not only requires parachute extraction, but since the entire cargo deck is depressurized the loadmaster and the crew would have to be on O2 the whole time. That’s SOP for a HALO drop with SpecOps, but for a cargo drop? Kind of rare.

Third, the source is the Iraqi government, which I trust about as far as I trusted Baghdad Bob from the previous Iraqi government.

One thing that might have happened;

If the transports were forced to drop from altitude due to possible AAA threat, they might have done the “unmanned” equivalent of a HALO drop, using barometric triggers to deploy the ‘chutes at around 1500 feet or less above the designated DZ. This would allow a “high” drop with reduced spread due to wind drift. And USAF Herc crews tend to be very good at HALO drops. Assuming everything works right on the purely technical side.

If this was such a drop, and the ‘chutes didn’t deploy correctly, we might be looking at a set of malfunctioning baro triggers.

/That is nothing more than a SWAG.

clear ether

eon

eon on August 11, 2014 at 10:55 AM

CW on August 11, 2014 at 11:46 AM

They thought turkeys could fly.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on August 11, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Are we mocking our military? Just asking.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 11:46 AM

I found the DOD footage on Legal Insurrection. It’s the second video shown and there is a third showing people retrieving the aid.

US Aid drop in Iraq

Curmudgeon on August 11, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Report: U.S. airdrops to stranded Yazidis lacked parachutes, exploded on impact


Operation Les Nesman

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 11, 2014 at 11:41 AM

.
WINNER !

That’s so obvious, I can’t believe none of the rest of us thought of it.

listens2glenn on August 11, 2014 at 11:47 AM

This report is BS… Allahpundit should delete this thread…

mnjg on August 11, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Too bad they didn’t drop King Barack and company on the mountain.

GarandFan on August 11, 2014 at 11:48 AM

13 5 yrs ago is 18 now

dmacleo on August 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Ahh. Well, then, I guess is liberal brain swap doesn’t allow him to make logical judgements.

Carry on.

LoganSix on August 11, 2014 at 11:48 AM

They thought turkeys could fly.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on August 11, 2014 at 11:45 AM

.
Are we mocking our military? Just asking.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 11:46 AM

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I thought the non-parachute drops were by the Iraqi military.

listens2glenn on August 11, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Are we mocking our military? Just asking.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Our military leader, yes.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on August 11, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Wasn’t the argument since the Iraq War that we destabilized the country by disposing of the dictator Saddam Hussein? In hindsight, there may be some validity to that, though it’s unclear how Saddam would have survived all other events in the Middle East being the same. But, hypotheticals are the gravy train for the left.

On the other hand, how many governments since Iraq has Obama and the Left supported destabilizing? Egypt, Libya, Syria, Ukraine… And now, interestingly, Iraq.

Does anyone else think this may not be such a good idea?

BKeyser on August 11, 2014 at 11:49 AM

We should start bombing our allies, or at least the UN, for not helping. I’m quite serious.

BobMbx on August 11, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Can’t recall where I saw the statement from someone claiming to be a Dutch citizen, but they asked if the US was the only nation on earth capable of providing aid. They asked why EU countries weren’t going ahead and sending aid on their own.

And a far as “no parachutes”, I had coffee Saturday morning with a young friend who recently mustered out of the Marine Corps. From what he told me, it seems perhaps we have people in the military who are so stupid they wouldn’t give a second thought to shoving a pallet of supplies out of a C-130 three miles up without ‘chutes.

oldleprechaun on August 11, 2014 at 11:51 AM

I see parachutes!

Momma on August 11, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Looked like many drops I have seen.I don’t think an American crewman would rig pallets without chutes.

docflash on August 11, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Is it true that Major Les Nessman was in charge of the drop? If that’s true, I believe the supplies were dropped without a parachute.

GCM on August 11, 2014 at 11:51 AM

here is the footage of a C-130 cargo plane dropping off pallets on the mountain from a few days back, it was released by the Iraqi govt a few days ago, when i first watched it, i assumed the planes and personnel were American due to the plane and the drone footage, i am not a military expert but from what i can tell, the pallets don’t have parachutes and are exploding on impact on the ground. When i saw this i thought it was strange, now it makes sense, am i wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrdkqGKLccg#t=293
golembythebay on August 11, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Certainly not the footage I saw. That plane is much lower, well within man-portable missile range.
The US drops were from very high, outside of missile range and at night, shot with night vision equipment. I’m looking for the video – I saw it this morning.

Curmudgeon on August 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM

this must be the plane then that dropped of the aid without parachutes, is it American or Iraq?

golembythebay on August 11, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Jonathan Krohn?
Wait, so a 13 year old is being sent to a war zone? Parents? Any adult with responsibility? Anyone?

LoganSix on August 11, 2014 at 11:39 AM

He’s 19 now.

RINO in Name Only on August 11, 2014 at 11:53 AM

if Maliki wants southern Iraq to be a Iranian protectorate there’s little we can do to stop him, but we can help build a counterweight in the north. Let’s get on with it.

I am sure Allah is busy looking on all kinds of stuff and does not have the time to study in depth about what is happening in Iraq and that is why he is uninformed about what is happening in Baghdad right now.

Maliki is not doing anything for Iran. The iranian have made it very clear that they want him to leave. They have sent soleimani to tell him. The grand ayatollah himself has expressed his wish to see a more inclusive Iraq helmed by someone else. This idea that Mailiki is doing this for anyone other than himself is crazy. The only voice that Maliki is listening to right now is the voice in his head telling him to hang on to power.

Iran Did not put Maliki in power in Iraq. they wish to see him replaced and have expressed that wish at every level so how Allah got this idea that Maliki is doing this because they want Southern Iraq to be a protracted of Iran is a mystery to me. Iraq will be in Iran’s sphere of influence without Maliki and that is why iran is not attached to him not even a little bit.

As for the Kurds if they decide to go their own way, They better hope and pray that turkey will be supportive. If turkey is against this, the new Kurdistan will be tuned into the new Armenia. And there too Iran will have even greater influence than they do now. Geography is a b!tch.

coolrepublica on August 11, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Supposedly the following link shows the first or one of the first airdrop and that seems to have some issues (but chutes are present):

Like what are those lights? The Yazidis should not have had anything like those. Plus, why are you dropping the aid at night to people who have nothing? Are you hoping they find the aid because it lands on them?

Zaggs on August 11, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Per the Telegraph, we delivered:

36,000 meals and 7,000 gallons of drinking water

There are reportedly 40,000 people trapped on that mountain, in temperatures up to 100 degrees. Start doing the math. That is about half a quart per person, even if it survived the delivery.

It is just enough water to whet your whistle, while you die of thirst.

This is not a serious relief effort. It is just enough for the president to say that he is “doing something”, while watching the refugees die.

SubmarineDoc on August 11, 2014 at 11:57 AM

The Ayatollah should have been killed in Paris.

Blame Jimmy Carter.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Glenn….not sure:

Two American aid flights have also made it to the mountain, where they have dropped off more than 36,000 meals and 7,000 gallons of drinking water to help the refugees, and last night two RAF C-130 transport planes were also on the way.

However, Iraqi officials said that much of the US aid had been “useless” because it was dropped from 15,000ft without parachutes and exploded on impact.

Either way I would guess that our boys were involved.(if the story is true)

CW on August 11, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Our military leader, yes.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on August 11, 2014 at 11:49 AM

So you give him credit for the OBL kill. So noted.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 11:59 AM

That’s so obvious, I can’t believe none of the rest of us thought of it.

listens2glenn on August 11, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Several people mentioned it on the headline thread.

GWB on August 11, 2014 at 12:01 PM

I’m no military strategist, and I see the need to get the humanitarian stuff to the suffering as soon as possible. But isn’t there something to be said for bombing first to get ISIS ducking for cover and sifting through rubble?

The whole ISIS affair reminds me of the catchphrase from an old Fram oil filter ad campaign: “Pay me now, or pay me later.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij1yDpfZI8Q

Thanks for sitting on your hands, Obama.

BuckeyeSam on August 11, 2014 at 12:01 PM

This would suggest that the U.S. military has somehow become that inept. It is unlikely. And hundreds of thousands of the people who Maliki as prime minister has sworn to protect are dying and he is using the military to cling to political power. What a slimebag. And yes let’s just support the Kurdish state already.

Illinidiva on August 11, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Is it true that Major Les Nessman was in charge of the drop? If that’s true, I believe the supplies were dropped without a parachute.

GCM on August 11, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Hah! “As God as my witness, I thought [supply drops] could fly.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FXSnoy71Q4

BuckeyeSam on August 11, 2014 at 12:04 PM

U.S. airdrops to stranded Yazidis lacked parachutes, exploded on impact

And this is what will become of the Obama Presidency – exploding on impact due to lack of a parachute…..

An airplane was about to crash, there were 5 famous passengers on board but only 4 parachutes left. The first passenger said, I’m Kobe Bryant, the best NBA basketball player. The Lakers need me. I can’t afford to die… So he took the first pack and left the plane.

The second passenger, Hilary Clinton said, “I am the wife of the former president of the US. I am also the Secretary of State. For the sake of international stability, I need a parachute.” She took the second parachute and jumped out of the plane.

The third passenger, President Barack Obama said “I’m president of the United States of America. Our country needs intelligent solutions, and as a former Harvard Law School professor, I am the only person who can offer those solutions. Americans can’t afford for me to die.” So he quickly grabbed the pack next to him and jumped out of the plane.

The fourth passenger was the Pope and he turned to the fifth passenger, a Rabbi and said, “I am old and frail so I don’t have many years left. As a good Catholic, I will sacrifice my life and let you have the last parachute. “

The Rabbi turned to him and said “Thank you but it’s really OK…. there are enough parachutes for both of us. America’s most intelligent President has just taken my Tallis bag.”

redguy on August 11, 2014 at 12:06 PM

He’s 19 now.

RINO in Name Only on August 11, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Got it.
I’m passing a kidney stone and on drugs, so I’m not thinking clearly. Of course, I am thinking more clearly than to go to a war zone.

LoganSix on August 11, 2014 at 12:06 PM

I wonder if the chutes did deploy correctly, but they were released so far up that ISIS was able to shoot enough holes in the chutes so the packages dropped.

Zaggs on August 11, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Where are the AH-64′s? There should at least be an AC-130.

Marcus Traianus on August 11, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Well submarine doc 40,000 people is about 40,000 gallons of water, or 320,000 pounds of water…. assuming 20% for pallet & chute, 384,000 pounds or 192 tons of water/day….or ~10 C-130 lifts/day for water alone. Airlift is a very poor way of keeping people hydrated….& this is early days of the lift, so aircraft & ground crew are still deploying….

JFKY on August 11, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Zaggs on August 11, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Those lights are probably from a Combat Control team on the ground there. One of their jobs is to prep LZs and DZs in just such places.

There are reportedly 40,000 people trapped on that mountain, in temperatures up to 100 degrees. Start doing the math. That is about half a quart per person, even if it survived the delivery.

SubmarineDoc on August 11, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Read the article – we (the US) aren’t the only folks dropping aid. And you can only get so much there at any one time. (BTW, half a liter per person is a very good start if you’re dying of thirst without it.)

GWB on August 11, 2014 at 12:13 PM

If the USAF is airdropping from C-130s at 15,000 msl the loads are expertly rigged and hitting their targets. The USAF is the very best in the world at this mission type. PERIOD.

However, if the Iraqis are attempting LCLA drops from their HIPs, they are very likely dropping U.S.-marked aid and they are very likely f’ing up in a spectacular way.

LCLA is a low altitude drop at a reduced airspeed from a helicopter with a pre-packaged ‘chute not much more than a drogue. And low altitude-lowspeed makes you a very inviting target. My guess is the Iraqis are dropping too much weight for the ‘chutes at way too much airspeed. And they’re happy to have folks on the ground blame the the “exploded” U.S.-marked aid on the U.S.

M240H on August 11, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Is it true that Major Les Nessman was in charge of the drop? If that’s true, I believe the supplies were dropped without a parachute.

GCM on August 11, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Recall that it wasn’t Les in charge of the Turkey Drop – it was Mr Carlson and Herb Tarlek who planned it and kept everyone else in the dark. (The famous line was Mr Carlson’s.) :)

GWB on August 11, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Marcus Trains… AH-64′s aren’t in-country… the AC-130′s are in Afghanistan… it’s not like the US has an infinite number of a/c…& considering their specialized nature things like AWACS or gunships are stretched especially thin as neither the USAF nor Congress is ever going to give a tremendous amount of money to a platform that is very specialized… The USAF would prefer multi-role a/c…capable of bombing Border Y@hoos AND North Koreans…. AC-130′s really are only good for Border Y@hoos, so their numbers are constrained, they are not & cannot be everywhere.

JFKY on August 11, 2014 at 12:16 PM

M240H on August 11, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Very good analysis.

GWB on August 11, 2014 at 12:16 PM

It’s like the old WKRP in Cincinatti bit where they dropped turkeys out of the chopper…lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf3mgmEdfwg

This is pretty ridiculous if true..

rightConcept on August 11, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I recall a military expert appearing on television several days ago, who said that aid drops by parachute was dangerous, unless you had assets on the ground to assist. He said that without it, people would rush up to the aid being dropped and be crushed underneath. Sounds as though he was right.

Techster64 on August 11, 2014 at 12:32 PM

I found the video of the drop

faraway on August 11, 2014 at 12:34 PM

redguy on August 11, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Funny.

celtic warrior on August 11, 2014 at 12:41 PM

I have always been a fan of the incompetent idiot school of sabotage.

Considering the number of Muslims that have infiltrated the U.S. Government, DOD and Military, I wouldn’t be surprised if such a thing was a deliberate piece of sabotage. Of course, the hard drives were damaged, so there would be no evidence.

CrazyGene on August 11, 2014 at 12:42 PM

If the USAF is airdropping from C-130s at 15,000 msl the loads are expertly rigged and hitting their targets. The USAF is the very best in the world at this mission type. PERIOD.

*snip*

M240H on August 11, 2014 at 12:13 PM

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One of our family friends is a Marine loadmaster on a C-130.

I’ll EAT the C-130 that has an aircrew so inept they drop the loads without parachutes.

Hmmmm … a 19 year old reporter for the most liberal London newspaper saying bad things about the military is as trustworthy as Whoopi Goldberg evaluating a “rape case”.

“It wasn’t rape-rape!”

PolAgnostic on August 11, 2014 at 12:42 PM

There are reportedly 40,000 people trapped on that mountain, in temperatures up to 100 degrees. Start doing the math. That is about half a quart per person, even if it survived the delivery.

SubmarineDoc on August 11, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Read the article – we (the US) aren’t the only folks dropping aid. And you can only get so much there at any one time. (BTW, half a liter per person is a very good start if you’re dying of thirst without it.)

GWB on August 11, 2014 at 12:13 PM

I did read the article. How much cargo lift (weight and cube) do you think that those Iraqi helicopter flights were supporting? Not enough, when you are talking supporting 40,000 people. No data on the British flights, but it does not sound like much.

My critique of the whole thing still stands. This airlift of supplies has been advertised in the press as a massive aid operation. However, in reality, it is spit in the ocean, compared to the needs on the ground.

“Better than nothing” – when it only delays death by a few hours?

SubmarineDoc on August 11, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Water would never be dropped without a parachute, but HDRs (Humanitarian Daily Rations, a civilian equivalent of MREs) have been airdropped in such a manner so as to spread them over a wide area.

Wikipedia entry for HDRs:

The meals are designed to be able to survive being air-dropped, without a parachute.[4] This is safer for refugees than parachuting large pallets of rations, as well as preventing meal hoarding by individuals.

James on August 11, 2014 at 12:46 PM

In any case, the point of Krohn’s and WaPo’s pieces isn’t that the delivery was inept, it’s that it was too late. People were already dying in droves; the White House mulled humanitarian relief for days before acting. In fact, it was American airstrikes against ISIS positions around the mountain, not American airdrops, that ended up saving what’s left of the Yazidis. The ones who aren’t too weak to walk now have a path down Sinjar and into Kurdistan. The ones who are too weak to walk are also almost certainly too weak to avail themselves of any new aid that ends up being dropped on the mountain. They’re going to die there.

The White House threw a huge gala dinner for some of the worst dictators, human rights violators, and homophobes in Africa while they thought about whether to send humanitarian aid to people dying in the Sinjar mountains because they were resisting ISIS.

Because Obama and his administration had to think about whether to send aid to thousands upon thousands of people trapped in the mountains, dying of hunger, thirst, and exposure, men, women, children, the elderly and the infirm, several thousand of these people died a miserable death, and will continue to die since so many are to ill, and too weak to walk out of those mountains to safety.

These people defied ISIS. They refused to capitulate and convert to Islam. Faced with certain death for that defiance they had no choice but to flee into the mountains. If anyone in the region deserves our support and aid it is these people.

thatsafactjack on August 11, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Lies

Bmore on August 11, 2014 at 12:52 PM

I might add:

Each day that the Obama White House thought about whether they wanted to send humanitarian aid to those people trapped in the Sinjar mountains, without food, water, or shelter, was like a living hell to those people. Not only did they grow weaker every days suffering from unrelenting thirst, hunger and exposure, many doing without medication they needed to survive, they had to watch their loved ones and neighbors suffering and dying before their eyes.

Meanwhile, Barack and Michelle, and congress, planned their vacations and wined and dined…and they KNEW of the suffering of those people dying in the Sinjar mountains the entire time.

thatsafactjack on August 11, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Completely false. The DoD released video footage of the drops and parachutes are clearly seen deploying. I’ve seen it.

Curmudgeon on August 11, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Maybe so, but that does not support the favored narrative.

This is more in line:

“Don’t bother with the parachutes — just dump this stuff and let’s get out of here!”
- Some Obama type
Kensington on August 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM

P.S. This is story is utter b.s. If there were any mishaps during the mission, I have no doubt they were very much the exception. US Military knows what they’re doing. They don’t ‘forget to attach the parachutes’.

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Airlift is a very poor way of keeping people hydrated….& this is early days of the lift, so aircraft & ground crew are still deploying….

JFKY on August 11, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Regarding limitations of airlift for resupply – my point exactly. This is military logistics 101.

I am not getting the sense that this thing is ramping up fast enough.

I know that this is in the “early days of lift” but the clock is ticking rather rapidly, with people dying by the thousands daily.

This whole thing stinks of “too little, too late….”

SubmarineDoc on August 11, 2014 at 12:56 PM

It would have had to been a direct order, and who would ever order something like this.

Not only a direct order, but the systems would have been totally dismantled for such a thing.

There is a procedure, in detail, and to circumvent such an obvious one…”don’t attach parachutes” would disrupt the whole process…

What a foolish statement…but typical of today’s journalism.

right2bright on August 11, 2014 at 12:56 PM

It’s like the old WKRP in Cincinatti bit where they dropped turkeys out of the chopper…lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf3mgmEdfwg

This is pretty ridiculous if true..

rightConcept on August 11, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Like the WKRP Turkey drop…this is not true.

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 12:57 PM

They have planes that deploy assets by using a drag chute, and slow approach, but that is rare.

The other planes for dropping have procedures that all but eliminate mistakes…it has too be “foolproof” if going into a chaotic combat situation, nothing can be left to “memory” or chance…it’s all done before they take off, and checked and rechecked.

It would be like a squadron of men going off to do battle and not bringing their rifles…it just doesn’t happen.

Might as well say they ran out of fuel and crash landed taking all of their supplies because the planes forget to pull into a gas station.

This journalist knows nothing about logistics and how impossible this would be…it was a dreamed up scenario that an ill informed journalist created in his mind.

right2bright on August 11, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Watch this video from Centcom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8r7XlI-KCs&feature=youtu.be

I see parachutes!

Momma on August 11, 2014 at 11:38 AM

I saw parachutes open too…except the planes were flying too low for the parachutes to deploy all the way.

It’s Bush’s fault.

timberline on August 11, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Food dropped by U.S. warplanes landed between their sanctuary and the Islamic State positions and could not be reached. For three days, they did not eat.

That’s more plausible. My best guess is that American planes were forced to fly higher than they would have liked for fear of ISIS targeting them from the ground, so that when they released the aid, some of it drifted off course and maybe got smashed apart when wind blew it against the mountain.

It’s probably best to consider that those on the ground, awaiting those urgently needed supplies were pinned down, couldn’t exactly go out looking for the ‘landing sites’, and were working largely on assumption during an emergency situation and these first supplies were dropped at night. It’s likely that people simply couldn’t see the parachutes.

They likely found some pallets of aid that had been destroyed on impact and made assumptions about how that happened and a young and inexperienced reporter, caught up in the emotion of ordeal of these people, passed along the information, lacking any alternative information but under pressure to get the story of the lack of usable aid out to the public.

And that is the story here. By the time the aid was ordered, these people were already dying from hunger, thirst, exhaustion, and exposure… while the man who had the authority to order that humanitarian aid…. dithered in the White House and fretted about his upcoming vacation plans.

thatsafactjack on August 11, 2014 at 1:15 PM

If anyone tells you that the U.S. Air Force dropped food and supplies without parachutes they are not telling the truth. That is a political statement and not a factual one.

I am an 1950s Air Force veteran and was privileged to be invited to ride on a demonstration drop from a C-17 a couple of years ago. Saw the whole thing from packing the cargo to dropping it. They have strict rules and procedures they follow and there is virtually zero chance of this happening. The load master checks the cargo several times before it is dropped. The actual process of dropping the cargo is automated. Open the rear ramp and press a button.

These guys know what they are doing and are highly trained.

Tsuchino1 on August 11, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Didn’t Letterman used to do stuff like that?

https://www.google.com/search?q=letterman+dropping+stuff&oq=letterman+dropping+stuff&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.11272j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

Chickyraptor on August 11, 2014 at 1:31 PM

golembythebay on August 11, 2014 at 11:34 AM

I saw parachutes.

Blake on August 11, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Because Obama and his administration had to think about whether to send aid to thousands upon thousands of people trapped in the mountains, dying of hunger, thirst, and exposure, men, women, children, the elderly and the infirm, several thousand of these people died a miserable death, and will continue to die since so many are to ill, and too weak to walk out of those mountains to safety.

thatsafactjack on August 11, 2014 at 12:48 PM

I’d like to see congressional hearings on why we waited so long and why we always treat the people who risk their lives to help us like dirt.

Blake on August 11, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Submarine Doc you CAN blame Obama for a tardy, overall response… The Yazidi’s are still kind of collateral damage. Yes, Obama didn’t attack ISIL earlier, but had the Iraqi forces performed as they OUGHT to have, the Yazidi’s wouldn’t need rescuing either.

I’m fairly certain CentCom hadn’t figured that’s earliest mission would be humanitarian relief.

Maliki’s forces ought to be banging Border Yay-Hoos around… not running away from them. Even without US air power the Iraqis should be able to repel the ISIL forces… Note “Should”… obviously the Shi’i are even more incompetent than the Sunni @ running an effective army. Or rather Maliki’s friends & supporters are more incompetent…

JFKY on August 11, 2014 at 1:36 PM

In this article on a suicide bomb instructor blowing up his class, link below, there is a video of a British C-130 dropping supplies to the Yazidis. A night vision camera view of the palate drop from the cargo bay clearly shows parachutes deploying almost immediately.

Parachutes

Cricket624 on August 11, 2014 at 1:37 PM

I saw turtles.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 1:40 PM

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