Report: U.S. airdrops to stranded Yazidis lacked parachutes, exploded on impact

posted at 11:21 am on August 11, 2014 by Allahpundit

Fun fact, per Michael Warren: The Jonathan Krohn who wrote this piece for the Telegraph appears to be the same Jonathan Krohn who spoke at CPAC five years ago as a 13-year-old conservative firebrand. Five years later, he’s a fellow for a Kurdish media company and eyewitness to ISIS’s most visible atrocity (so far).

Anyway. C’mon, we didn’t really forget to attach parachutes to the food and water we’re dropping, did we?

I was on board an Iraqi Army helicopter, and watched as hundreds of refugees ran towards it to receive one of the few deliveries of aid to make it to the mountain. The helicopter dropped water and food from its open gun bays to them as they waited below. General Ahmed Ithwany, who led the mission, told me: “It is death valley. Up to 70 per cent of them are dead.”

Two American aid flights have also made it to the mountain, where they have dropped off more than 36,000 meals and 7,000 gallons of drinking water to help the refugees, and last night two RAF C-130 transport planes were also on the way.

However, Iraqi officials said that much of the US aid had been “useless” because it was dropped from 15,000ft without parachutes and exploded on impact.

Krohn’s piece was also published today at the Daily Mail. The opening is identical to the opening of the story quoted above but the detail about U.S. aid without parachutes is missing. WaPo’s account of what’s happening on Mount Sinjar also mentions nothing about missing parachutes and exploded aid, but does have this:

Airdrops of food and water — which apparently went awry — were followed by airstrikes, including four on Friday that targeted Islamic State positions around the mountain…

The family took refuge on a barren patch of land, and for the last three days of their ordeal they survived by sharing bottle-cap amounts of water from the last of their meager supplies. Food dropped by U.S. warplanes landed between their sanctuary and the Islamic State positions and could not be reached. For three days, they did not eat.

That’s more plausible. My best guess is that American planes were forced to fly higher than they would have liked for fear of ISIS targeting them from the ground, so that when they released the aid, some of it drifted off course and maybe got smashed apart when wind blew it against the mountain. Veterans are invited to share their own, much better informed theories in the comments or by e-mail. In any case, the point of Krohn’s and WaPo’s pieces isn’t that the delivery was inept, it’s that it was too late. People were already dying in droves; the White House mulled humanitarian relief for days before acting. In fact, it was American airstrikes against ISIS positions around the mountain, not American airdrops, that ended up saving what’s left of the Yazidis. The ones who aren’t too weak to walk now have a path down Sinjar and into Kurdistan. The ones who are too weak to walk are also almost certainly too weak to avail themselves of any new aid that ends up being dropped on the mountain. They’re going to die there.

This also helps explain why Maliki’s coup is good news for the Kurds and Yazidis, though. Until now, the White House has clung to the idea that Iraq should remain unified and that all aid, especially military aid, should go through the central government in Baghdad. That’s one reason why the Kurds are undersupplied; Maliki’s going to siphon off whatever he gets from the U.S. for Shiite use. Now that he’s betrayed Iraqi democracy, though, the White House can cut him loose, refuse to recognize his legitimacy, and deal directly with the Kurds. That means arms (and maybe military advisors?), and that means a Kurdistan that’s secure from ISIS. If Maliki wants southern Iraq to be a Iranian protectorate there’s little we can do to stop him, but we can help build a counterweight in the north. Let’s get on with it.


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Fun fact, per Michael Warren: The Jonathan Krohn who wrote this piece for the Telegraph appears to be the same Jonathan Krohn who spoke at CPAC five years ago as a 13-year-old conservative firebrand. Five years later, he’s a fellow for a Kurdish media company and eyewitness to ISIS’s most visible atrocity (so far).
- AP

Funner fact?

In 2012, he confirmed to Politico[11] that he no longer considers himself a conservative…He said that he rejected social conservatism first, before rejecting other conservative viewpoints. Krohn stated that he had matured and described his 13-year-old self as “naive”…
Conservatives immediately lashed out at Krohn for his reversal. In an article for Salon.com, Krohn was critical of partisan politics in general, and conservatives in particular, describing his conservative critics as “scorned right-wingers showing all the maturity of a little boy.”…

Twitter erupted with contempt.

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Excellent point Verbaluce…now what is it you are trying to say?

JFKY on August 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Excellent point Verbaluce…now what is it you are trying to say?

JFKY on August 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Just that.
Interesting.
That’s all.

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 1:57 PM

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 1:40 PM

So, do you have a point, or is that just your own snide way of

“showing all the maturity of a little boy.”…

bobthm3 on August 11, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Instead of smashing the ISIS gang when they were in the desert in convoys as they began this psychotic campaign, Obama waits and waits and waits … until they are dug in, slaughtering entire populations, ethnically and secularly cleansing the cities they roll over, and making this a far more serious mission than it ever needed to have become.

Crush lunatics when they are starting out and you can prevent what we now face- an actual renewed War.

ISIS needed to be obliterated everywhere fast and immediately upon its malignant arrival upon the geopolitical scene.

Obama hesitates.


The Jihad does not.

profitsbeard on August 11, 2014 at 2:03 PM

.. 2012, he confirmed to Politico[11] that he no longer considers himself a conservative…

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Your months late to the party. Sheesh. That was a story here a long time ago.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 2:07 PM

bobthm3 on August 11, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Allah mentioned the reporter’s CPAC ‘conservative firebrand’ past – he bought it up. He offered a ’5 years later’, but he left out a fairly significant developments…aside from his current gig.
So I’m commenting on something in the post.
Funny how panties-in-a-twist it got you and JFKY.
The impressive thing is what Krohn is doing now – don’t you agree?

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Like over a year ago….

Video: The obligatory “Jonathan Krohn now more … – Hot Air
hotair.com/…/video-the-obligatory-jonathan-krohn-now-more-or…
Hot Air
Jul 9, 2012 – Video: The obligatory “Jonathan Krohn now more or less a liberal” clip … When I was 13 I was a clean cut conservative kid. When I was 17 I was …

CW on August 11, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Your months late to the party. Sheesh. That was a story here a long time ago.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Old news, I know.
Maybe Allah forgot.

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Private Pyle, you have got to be sh**ting me…!!

JohnGalt23 on August 11, 2014 at 2:13 PM

The Adults are in charge.

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Old news, I know.
Maybe Allah forgot.

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 2:10 PM

And maybe you were asleep.

Where did AP say he was a conservative now? Do tell.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 2:13 PM

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 1:40 PM

I remember that 2009 video and the first thought I had was “this kid is parroting stuff he’s heard from adults. This will turn the other way in a few years.” Because it always does. Especially when puberty and hormones kick in. Nobody wanting to fit in with peers and gain social respect (and the attention of girls) is going to be brave enough to stand by deeper truths and conservative principles, which to millennials are widely considered anathema. The fruits of our education system at work. It becomes painfully obvious when you’re 16 that being the next Rush Limbaugh is not going to get you a date with the hot girl.

Guess it also doesn’t help when your family life falls apart and then the editor from Talking Points Memo sees it his duty to take you under his wing and teach you the finer points of “journalism” so that that the first job offer you find attractive is a reporting job in Iraq. Good grief.

I feel for the kid, really.

somewhatconcerned on August 11, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Video: The obligatory “Jonathan Krohn now more or less a liberal” clip
POSTED AT 8:24 PM ON JULY 9, 2012 BY ALLAHPUNDIT

Appears he assumed you weren’t an ignorant dummy Verbie.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Old news, I know.
Maybe Allah forgot.

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 2:10 PM

And maybe you were asleep.

Where did AP say he was a conservative now? Do tell.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Again, AP bought it up – and a bit of an odd omission…to mention his CPAC past and not that little detail?
But to Allah credit, maybe he knew what not to bring up.
Because it does seem to be a very frustrating and annoying detail for some.
To feel better, just think about all the former SDS progressive types who got rich and then suddenly discovered Libertarianism (so they could whine against taxes but still smoke pot).

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 2:20 PM

The aborted food drop is a problem only if you are concerned with the results and not the intentions. After all we DID drop the supplies, didn’t we?

Kritikal on August 11, 2014 at 2:24 PM

I feel for the kid, really.

somewhatconcerned on August 11, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Ha.
I’m sure you do.
Somewhat?

Man…his story is really bothersome for you guys.
Again, seems like he’s doing some very admirable journalism work these days…whatever his personal politics.

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 2:24 PM

The aborted food drop is a problem only if you are concerned with the results and not the intentions.

Kritikal on August 11, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Meaning?
I mean, I’m concerned with the results.
You?

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Again, AP bought it up – and a bit of an odd omission…to mention
verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Not if it was as plain to him as the nose on his face for the colors of his kitchen walls. Nice try though.

Maybe you should ask him. 20$ to your favorite charity if I am wrong.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Point of order: The most liberal newspaper in the UK is the guardian. The Daily Mail is actually the most conservative newspaper in the UK, to the point that British liberals won’t even admit to reading it, calling it the “Daily Heil”. The Telegraph is also conservative — for a UK paper, that is.

I’m afraid I quite believe the report. While it’s probably not standard procedure it may have occurred either because A) it was believed HDRs could survive without a parachute or B) just your normal class-A foulup which happens whenever something is thrown together at the last minute without prior preparation or thought.

Way I see it? This is Obama’s Desert One. We had the best military in the world back then, too, but even a good military will still foul up if it is misused.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

pendell2 on August 11, 2014 at 2:28 PM

To feel better …
verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 2:20 PM

It makes me happy just think about how something so unimportant is important to you.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Ha.
I’m sure you do.
Somewhat?

Man…his story is really bothersome for you guys.
Again, seems like he’s doing some very admirable journalism work these days…whatever his personal politics.

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 2:24 PM

His story doesn’t bother me. You’re the only one who keeps talking about it.

The effed up airdrop bothers me.

Missy on August 11, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Note, the USAF currently uses a system called the Tri-Wall Aerial Delivery System (TRIADS) to deliver humanitarian relief supplies. The system does *not* use parachutes at all and is fully rated for high altitude drops. It’s a scatter drop system to defeat efforts by jihadists and such to steal or target aid drops.

Edunai on August 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Sounds like the food/water pallets were intended to be landed and unloaded, not dropped.

However, the “Iraqi Army” pilots probably worried more about damaging their aircraft. Or whomever the flight commander was didn’t want to take any risk for a people he probably has no moral/or political connection with.

If the Iraqi Army really cared about Kurds they’d already be helping them rather than wait for the U.S. to force them to help. Because what they did here didn’t really help the Kurds, even though they achieved their general mission of ‘dropping aid’.

Lawrence on August 11, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Yazidis relief aid drop, Obama.
WKRP in Cincinnati Thanksgiving Day turkey drop, Mr. Carlson.

ncjetsfan on August 11, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Funny how panties-in-a-twist it got you and JFKY.

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 2:08 PM

What’s funny is your fascination with our underwear.

bobthm3 on August 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Article from 2001 when this system was first introduced…

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44648

Edunai on August 11, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Because Obama is a pussy. Sounds like Somalia. Why didn’t they have air cover to hit anyone on ground with SAMs? I’d say drop a Daisy Cutter first, but there seems to be some question about where it would hit.

Agrippa2k on August 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM

OK, a full description of the TRIADS system which is probably what was used here. It’s used to delivery MRE’s and water for humanitarian drops in contested areas, it does not use parachutes at all, but rather the TRIADS container disintegrates upon hitting the aircrafts slipstream and the individual packets fall to earth, due to the shape of the packets they tend to ‘float’, impacting soft enough to not risk injury to people on the ground. The dispersed nature of the drops prevents hostile groups from targeting One Big Dropzone with mortars or rockets and thus protects the intended recipients of the aid from attack.

This is a system that was proven in Afghanistan, used in the Balkans, used in Africa, it’s not very ‘sexy’ but it *works* very well.

Edunai on August 11, 2014 at 2:50 PM

I blame George w. Bush…

Pest on August 11, 2014 at 2:52 PM

U.S. airdrops to stranded Yazidis lacked parachutes, exploded on impact

That’s not true!! Only objects which could survive a long fall (such as eggs, chinaware and fine crystal) were dropped without parachutes.

MaiDee on August 11, 2014 at 2:54 PM

I doubt this story. There’s video of the drops being done, and you can clearly see parachutes on the crates.

triple on August 11, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Reading about this system though it’s possible they were to just accelerate them out the back of the aircraft.

triple on August 11, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Way I see it? This is Obama’s Desert One. We had the best military in the world back then, too, but even a good military will still foul up if it is misused.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

pendell2 on August 11, 2014 at 2:28 PM

No we didn’t. And the Desert One reference is proof of it. Just four years earlier, the Isrealis pulled off a far more difficult operation at Entebbe. Who was best …?

In the 1980s, our military was royally screwed up from the social debacle created by our Vietnam experience. If you want a good taste of what we were really like back then, read, “The Staw Giant” by Arthur Hadley (1986).

The level of professionalism of our modern military is without peer and it is unwarranted to just assume they make chump mistakes.

Cricket624 on August 11, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Note, the USAF currently uses a system called the Tri-Wall Aerial Delivery System (TRIADS) to deliver humanitarian relief supplies. The system does *not* use parachutes at all and is fully rated for high altitude drops. It’s a scatter drop system to defeat efforts by jihadists and such to steal or target aid drops.

Edunai on August 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Article from 2001 when this system was first introduced…

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44648

Edunai on August 11, 2014 at 2:39 PM

What is the definition of “high altitude”? Is it the altitude from which the supplies are dropped, or is it the altitude above sea level at the ground level of the place they are dropping them on? Link doesn’t say.

Del Dolemonte on August 11, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Obama hesitates.

The Jihad does not.

profitsbeard on August 11, 2014 at 2:03 PM

The Obama Doctrine: Dither and hope it goes away.

ConstantineXI on August 11, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Something more going on here between Obama and the current situation in Middle East than we realize. No info, just does not make since these little pinprick attacks against ISIS.
Just PR attacks that in effect do nothing.

Why isn’t the leader of ISIS targeted?
What is the connection between ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood?

albill on August 11, 2014 at 3:21 PM

My uncle drove a Yazidi for a while. Nice bike but boy were parts expensive.

Galtian on August 11, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Report: U.S. airdrops to stranded Yazidis lacked parachutes, exploded on impact

I seriously doubt that.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 11, 2014 at 3:26 PM

The Obama Doctrine: Dither and hope it goes away.

ConstantineXI on August 11, 2014 at 3:01 PM

You’d think Obama could spare one of his golden parachutes for the Yazidis.

profitsbeard on August 11, 2014 at 3:32 PM

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Getting all wrapped up in a 13 year old, spouting things he learned at his parent’s knee, and a 19 year old, spouting gibberish he learned in college, is a no win situation. By the time this young man hits 40 he will qualify as a whirling dervish.

Cindy Munford on August 11, 2014 at 3:51 PM

BLAME AMERICA FIRST!

BLAME AMERICA FIRST!

Tard on August 11, 2014 at 3:58 PM

I’ve not read them, but I’m sure some military man here has pointed out that it is impossible for air drops to have been dropped without parachutes… Perhaps there was a failure of a few… perhaps they were dropped too low and the chute didn’t have time to slow the package… but they all had chutes I can assure you.

This is how it works…

Kaptain Amerika on August 11, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Being as I just had to drop this on another thread, suppose it has more purpose here.

Just some context, humanitarian aid is generally dropped sans parachute. Pallets are designed to drop in at around 90mph. That means whether you’re dropping from 15kft AGL or 1kft, it doesn’t particularly matter. What goes to hell, especially in the mountains, is the dropzone winds. You’re adding alot of space for error, but that’s the reason we forecast.

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 4:08 PM

It doesn’t surprise me that our leadership has never heard of the 1948 Berlin Airlift or Gail Halvorsen–aka the Candy Bomber–who dropped packages of candy from his C-47/54 transport for the German children while on his way into Berlin; packages which had parachutes attached to them.

It does surprise me that the leadership has never heard of gravity. But only a little.

I am grateful, however, to find out that Colonel Halvorsen is still with us. 93 years old.

baldilocks on August 11, 2014 at 4:09 PM

baldilocks on August 11, 2014 at 4:09 PM

They’re designed to drop without them. Especially in the case like we’re supporting downrange right now, all a parachute does is market a target area for the enemy to concentrate fire on. The East Germans weren’t busy bombarding aid areas.

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Interesting.

Cindy Munford on August 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM

However, Iraqi officials said that much of the US aid had been “useless” because it was dropped from 15,000ft without parachutes and exploded on impact.

Now that is a rather good metaphor for Obama’s foreign policy in general and his Presidency overall.

VorDaj on August 11, 2014 at 4:14 PM

In all likelihood there was a strong lowlevel jet in the area, which sent the aid pallet(s) off course. It’s a datasparse region to forecast for in the first place, even after a decade of fighting there. One of the biggest combat weather challenges during the initial invasion, when we put the 173rd into Bashur. Again, that place is not enjoyable to forecast for.

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Just because all you armchair loadmasters out there think everything that comes out of an aircraft in flight needs a parachute, does not mean that there was a screwup with these drops. It was debunked several times by people who know about these kinds of missions, but you still keep harping on the lack of parachutes as if there was incompetence, malfeasance, or both involved.

This entire article needs a retraction.

James on August 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM

James on August 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Bingo.

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 5:02 PM

It does surprise me that the leadership has never heard of gravity. But only a little.

baldilocks on August 11, 2014 at 4:09 PM

As with the Constitution – they’ve been busy trying to rewrite the laws of physics – especially that troublesome gravity piece.
They see how Hollywood does it all the time, so they figure they can to….

dentarthurdent on August 11, 2014 at 5:08 PM

dentarthurdent on August 11, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Seriously?

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Grim.

workingclass artist on August 11, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Seriously?

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Which part?
;)

dentarthurdent on August 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM

They thought turkeys could fly.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on August 11, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Are we mocking our military? Just asking.

CW on August 11, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Still getting the hang of double quotes. However, I believe Turkey, was the intended target! Apologizes, if already addressed.

LastRonin on August 11, 2014 at 6:09 PM

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Oh looky, someone can access Wikipedia from their LeapPad toy.

Nutstuyu on August 11, 2014 at 6:53 PM

The story is a complete fairy tale. The US military does not drop life critical supplies (or any other) from any altitude without parachutes attached.

SixHorseStew on August 11, 2014 at 7:11 PM

The latest article from Krohn provides more details:

“It reveals thousands of impoverished, exhausted and hungry people sleeping rough on the hard ground, speckled with the jagged rocks that smashed so many of the water bottles dropped from above. A Red Crescent official estimated 40 to 50 per cent of the supplies thrown out of US Air Force supply planes were destroyed on impact.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11027161/Iraq-crisis-My-night-on-the-mountain-of-hell-with-dying-Yazidi-refugees.html

GCM on August 11, 2014 at 7:16 PM

May God save the Kurds, Christians and Yezidis from those jihadi degenerates.

Conservchik on August 11, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Which part?
;)

dentarthurdent on August 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM

The entire thing. That is how some aid drops are done; it’s called a free drop. You use it when you don’t have to worry about damage to sensitive equipment and/or a hot DZ. They reach terminal velocity, at 90-100mph, within a thousand feet; the bundles are designed to handle that impact. Even it free drop was used: it’s MREs, clothes and blankets, not a half-ton of tannerite, meaning it doesn’t explode on impact. The only regulated guideline is not to free drop under 50ft. Every bit of footage released of the drops so far….whoops…have parachutes. But, even if they hadn’t, a free drop is a valid delivery system, even at 150AGL.

Enjoyed the insult to all the vets though, bravo to all of you on that.

Allahpundit, fix this damned article, please.

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Enjoyed the insult to all the vets though, bravo to all of you on that.

Allahpundit, fix this damned article, please.

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Gee – sorry you didn’t get it – it was a joke on King Putt.

BTW – I’ve been active duty and DoD contractor for 35 years (20% VA disability myself) – plenty familiar with our various air drop methods.
But then I didn’t actually say anything about the drop method or other veterans, did I – you self-righteous POS?

dentarthurdent on August 11, 2014 at 9:53 PM

dentarthurdent on August 11, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Right, so in a thread full of either “the military is incompetent or taking direct orders to be incompetent” you thought furthering that line was just “chuckles on POTUS.” So familiar with drop methods, you never once made any attempt at correction? Right. Keep diddling your keyboard.

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Right, so in a thread full of either “the military is incompetent or taking direct orders to be incompetent” you thought furthering that line was just “chuckles on POTUS.” So familiar with drop methods, you never once made any attempt at correction? Right. Keep diddling your keyboard.

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Plenty of others were already doing the correcting, so I saw no need to pile on – and very few people have actually insulted the military in this thread.
And those that did just don’t know much about what the military actually does.
Get off your high horse and quit diddling yourself.

dentarthurdent on August 11, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Plenty of others were already doing the correcting, so I saw no need to pile on – and very few people have actually insulted the military in this thread.
And those that did just don’t know much about what the military actually does.
Get off your high horse and quit diddling yourself.

dentarthurdent on August 11, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Riding coattails of the idiocy on display:

As with the Constitution – they’ve been busy trying to rewrite the laws of physics – especially that troublesome gravity piece.
They see how Hollywood does it all the time, so they figure they can to….

dentarthurdent on August 11, 2014 at 5:08 PM

You’re somehow under the impression that has nothing to do with the general tenor of stupidity for inane POTUS points. Again…riiight. Got your panties in a twist because you said something stupid and got called on it. Have a great day!

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 10:53 PM

You’re somehow under the impression that has nothing to do with the general tenor of stupidity for inane POTUS points. Again…riiight. Got your panties in a twist because you said something stupid and got called on it. Have a great day!

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 10:53 PM

GFY you arrogant POS – and work on your reading comprehension while you’re at it.
You’re the only one with your panties twisted in this thread thinking just because a few people initially believed the media and don’t know any better that they’re somehow insulting the military.
Helluva job at winning friends and influencing people there skidmark….

dentarthurdent on August 11, 2014 at 11:05 PM

…just because a few people initially believed the media and don’t know any better that they’re somehow insulting the military.

Given your introduction to the thread, you curiously exclude yourself.

Helluva job at winning friends and influencing people there skidmark….
dentarthurdent on August 11, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Cupcake, if you want me to spoon feed you sugar as a reward for saying stupid things? You’re mistaken as to my function or intent. You followed the pertinent information with a dumbass remark, got called on it, then threw a hissy because you know you dropped the ball to score some POTUS non-points.

Seriously, you expect anyone to believe that you have all that knowledge of AMC operations, then make a comment that directly contradicts that knowledge while it implies that our people are too stupid to either do their job correctly or follow orders that are effectively to stupid to be followed? If I’m arrogant for calling you out on making a comment before thinking, especially with all that knowledge of AMC burning in that gourd of yours? Yeah, I’ll take that happily. I have no wish to be your buddy or your pal. You started with insults and you’ve finished with them. Have fun being a dumbass.

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 11:41 PM

The chances of the United States Air Force chucking supplies out of the back of a cargo jet at altitude to smash into the turf is about the same as you forgetting to wear your pants to work. This is obviously the work of a stupid observer making a stupid comment which is eagerly accepted by a gullible media unfamiliar with the US military and biased against it.

Earlier posters mentioned the TRIADS where supplies are dropped in refrigerator-sized boxes designed to split apart when they hit the Earth. That is intended for drop zones where there are no people. Another system of delivery, HOPE, wraps small packages of supplies in foam which is intended to slow the fall enough to be safe to drop on people. If a package hits you, the odds are calculated at 1% that it will even slightly injure you, ie a scratch.

Tantor on August 12, 2014 at 2:10 AM

It does surprise me that the leadership has never heard of gravity. But only a little.

baldilocks on August 11, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Obama repealed the law of gravity with his pen/phone.

bigGwillie on August 12, 2014 at 4:35 AM

At least they didn’t have to unpack everything.

cimbri on August 12, 2014 at 6:27 AM

I have seen two things today: One from an AF person who says there are indeed pallets designed to be used without parachutes …

… and another eyewitness testimony from an un-named Red Crescent official who says that up to 50% of the US-dropped aid was destroyed on impact.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11027161/Iraq-crisis-My-night-on-the-mountain-of-hell-with-dying-Yazidi-refugees.html

Perhaps the technology used to deploy HDRs is unsuitable for the terrain on the mountain. Regardless, that’s more dead people and it’s our screwup.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

pendell2 on August 12, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Correction to the last: Of course the moral responsibility for those deaths lies with ISIS, who drove civilians up on the mountain and are deliberately starving them to death, not with the American servicepeople who are busting their asses to save them while I’m sitting here in an air-conditioned office. Nonetheless, it WAS an error, and I hope one we correct.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

pendell2 on August 12, 2014 at 9:30 AM

Who cares about Jonathaan Krohn? The point of this story is that, once again, the Marxist/anti-Semite in the white house has continued to waste lives and money.

maryo on August 12, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Brian P.

pendell2 on August 12, 2014 at 9:27 AM

All the images/video from the drop show parachutes in use and deploying correctly. I’m not buying the exploding on impact bit, Red Crescent or not. Especially given Red Crescent’s tendency towards appeasement of whoever the local strongarms are, like their counterparts in Gaza. Not that much better a source than the “anonymous” Iraqi official, really.

Ebola on August 12, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Ebola on August 11, 2014 at 11:41 PM

I have to admit, your OFA masters gave you an appropriate sock puppet name given that you’re just a nasty little parasite to be inflicted on HA – but just like your namesake, fundamentally weak.
You clearly have no clue what this site is all about, so you ought to consider going back to Huffpo and dailykos – they’re more your speed.

dentarthurdent on August 12, 2014 at 12:14 PM

dentarthurdent on August 12, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Ohj my, now I’m a liberal because you said something stupid and got called on it. Keep digging kiddo. God bless your pointy little head.

Ebola on August 12, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Remind me to go change my party affilitation before my absentee ballot gets home! lol. Dent is a good name for you too, bucko.

Ebola on August 12, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Though, now that I think of it, you could have a great career as a liberal commentator. You’ve attempted to make a “joke” about something you “knew” was factually inaccurate, managed to insult vets in the process, then attempted to shift blame to the people that called you on the stupidity of that decision. Hell, you can blame Bush next! lmao, you need to go put in at MSNBC, you’d be a superstar!

Ebola on August 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM

The video showed drops of water from hundreds of feet with no parachutes. One wonders at the stupidity of humans.

unclesmrgol on August 12, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Plenty of parachutes in these videos, not that the leftists, the press, and ISIS has any reason to lie.

F X Muldoon on August 12, 2014 at 1:12 PM

unclesmrgol on August 12, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Provide a link?

Ebola on August 12, 2014 at 1:13 PM

In 2012, he confirmed to Politico[11] that he no longer considers himself a conservative…He said that he rejected social conservatism first, before rejecting other conservative viewpoints. Krohn stated that he had matured and described his 13-year-old self as “naive”…
Conservatives immediately lashed out at Krohn for his reversal. In an article for Salon.com, Krohn was critical of partisan politics in general, and conservatives in particular, describing his conservative critics as “scorned right-wingers showing all the maturity of a little boy.”…

Twitter erupted with contempt.

verbaluce on August 11, 2014 at 1:40 PM

So he was a conservative before he went through puberty and was thinking with his glands, i.e. Democrat? I wonder when Ezra Klein will mature?

DimsdalePiranha on August 12, 2014 at 2:03 PM

That’s one reason why the Kurds are undersupplied; Maliki’s going to siphon off whatever he gets from the U.S. for Shiite use.

Or for some use. Kurds are/were pumping oil, with the help of international oil biz which was situated in the Kurdish capita;. MSM concern for the trapped ethnic minority coincided with the fact they were trapped basically on the road to the oil city

07-30-14 U.S. Lets Iraq Seize Kurdish Oil Near Texas
one million barrels Kurdish crude on a ship heading to Houston.

Iraq’s oil ministry asked the court for an arrest warrant for the crude, which U.S. Magistrate Judge Nancy Johnson approved on Monday.

but .. the ship was in international waters so
08-06-14 Iraq Fails To Seize Kurdish Crude Oil Bound for Texas
If your government is collapsing, nothing like a little crude. Arbil is the key word.
08-08-14 Canadian oil company pulls out of Kurdish oil drilling capitol of Arbil

The Canadian oil firm’s move followed similar evacuations on Thursday by Chevron Corp and Exxon Mobil in response to the militants’ advance on Arbil, the capital of Iraq’s Kurdish region and a key hub for oil producers.

and if everyone thought the 800 lb bombs were to save the ethnics,

The United States dropped bombs on Friday on Islamic State artillery that had been used against Kurdish forces defending Arbil.

So the MSm suddenly cares about ethnic cleansing

Now that he’s betrayed Iraqi democracy, though, the White House can cut him loose, refuse to recognize his legitimacy, and deal directly with the Kurds

Is WH dealing directly with the Kurds? Kurds have been begging for arms since the US got involved in Iraq. I saw Kurd videos begging for larger arms to stop the current ISIS sweep.

However, the bombing is placed to slow the advance towards Arbil – the oil which gets more valuable with Russian sanctions.

The chips are falling 08-12-14 China appears ready to dump its $1.3 trillion in U.S. Treasury bonds to drive U.S. interest rates up

Checkmate

entagor on August 13, 2014 at 12:07 AM

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