‘Top advisors predict a long, very long campaign’ in Iraq

posted at 8:41 am on August 8, 2014 by Noah Rothman

“We don’t understand real evil, organized evil very well,” said America’s former ambassador to Iraq and Afghanistan, Ryan Crocker, in an interview with The New York Times. “This is evil incarnate.”

“People like [Islamic State commander] Abu Bakar al-Baghdadi have been in a fight for a decade,” he added. “They are messianic in their vision, and they are not going to stop.”

President Barack Obama authorized military strikes on select targets in Iraq on Thursday aimed only to halt the Islamic State’s advance on the cities of Erbil, the Kurdish capital in the north, and Baghdad. At the same time, however, the president continues to assure the American public that this is not the start of a third Iraq War. For the time being, the introduction of American ground forces has been ruled out.

American military commanders seem to think that the president’s strategy of using airpower alone to reduce the threat posed by the Islamic State fighters is insufficient.

“We must neutralize this enemy,” Army Lt. Gen. Mick Bednarek, U.S. chief of the Office of Security and Cooperation-Iraq told a Military Times reporter. “This is not just an Iraqi issue. This is not just a regional issue.”

He added that, as even those only familiar with the threat posed by the Islamic State through media accounts know, this organization “is not just a violent extremist organization.”

“This is an army,” Bednarek added, “and it takes an army to defeat an army.”

Regardless of the assurances the president has made to a war-weary public, a report in CBS This Morning on Friday indicates that American military officials are aware of just how comprehensive a military campaign aimed at neutralizing this fundamentalist threat will have to be.

“Senior officials describe ISIL forces as swift, effective, and capable of carrying out military mission with quote ‘tremendous military proficiency,’” CBS news reporter Major Garrett reported. “The Iraqi army and Kurdish fighters have been no match for them. Now, from the air, the U.S. will join the fight. Top advisers predict a long, very long military campaign.”

CBS reporter David Martin noted that the humanitarian airlift operation “could foreshadow a much larger military campaign.” He noted that at least 150 American military advisors and an “unknown number of diplomats” remain in Erbil, a city under siege by Islamic State forces.

“Until this week, the Kurdish region had been considered so secure that the United States had chosen it as one of two Iraqi locations safe enough to transfer staffers from the U.S. Embassy in Iraq. But a sense of dread fell over the Kurdish capital on Thursday as the magnitude of the Islamic State threat became clear,” read a McClatchy news report revealing the fear that has overtaken that Iraqi city.

Military officials are already indicating that strikes in Iraq could be far broader than what the president described. “One senior administration official suggested that could include strikes on militants that have captured Iraq’s largest dam near Mosul,” a Wall Street Journal report read.

“We’re laying down a marker here,” an unnamed administration official said. “Just their presence…and the potential threat they pose could lead us to take action if targets present themselves.”

UPDATE: The first strikes on ISIS targets are already underway, according to the Pentagon:


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Can someone on line here explain how an army that is “swift, effective, and capable of carrying out military mission with quote tremendous military proficiency” just suddenly appear within the borders of a sovereign country. I’ve heard estimates that their numbers are at least 10,000 and as many as 50,000. Where did they come from?

InterestedObserver on August 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Wolfie freaking out

cmsinaz on August 8, 2014 at 10:36 AM

“We did it before and we can do it again”, but maybe this time creeps like Pelosi Galore and the Dick From Illinois won’t be comparing our guys to Nazis and crying about torture they had no trouble with when their asses were on the line.

Can someone on line here explain how an army that is “swift, effective, and capable of carrying out military mission with quote tremendous military proficiency” just suddenly appear within the borders of a sovereign country. I’ve heard estimates that their numbers are at least 10,000 and as many as 50,000. Where did they come from?

InterestedObserver on August 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Dragons’ teeth?

formwiz on August 8, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Wolfie freaking out

cmsinaz on August 8, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Is it delicious ??

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Update: Chuck Todd: “Of course, no one could have foreseen this”.

Rovin on August 8, 2014 at 9:20 AM

Except for everyone with a working brain that was slightly to the right of Stalin.

joekenha on August 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM

I’ve heard estimates that their numbers are at least 10,000 and as many as 50,000. Where did they come from?

InterestedObserver on August 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Various places, but mainly the old Republican Guard (the core of the army under Saddam that we disbanded) joined with ISIL because they were fed up with Maliki’s abuse of the Sunnis. Our way of structuring the government in Iraq (democracy! wheeeee!) so the majority Shias could shut out and abuse the Sunnis left the minority Sunnis with no rational alternative.

We seeded this. Now Iraq is reaping the whirlwind.

fadetogray on August 8, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Walter L. Newton on August 8, 2014 at 10:09 AM

Walter L. Newton on August 8, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Um…wth are you doing?

Jaibones on August 8, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Always thank obama for IS.

The eunuch, because of this, allowed Syria to go to Hell and for ISIS to form, and move, convoys not bombed.

Always, always blame obama for ISIS and the influx of illegals at the Southern border. He owns both, and soon they will conflate.

obama sides with his bad bros.

He saves some children and allows most others to have their heads cut off. Same for people.

Leftist rats, and assorted other azzholes the world over, you own him, eternally.

Schadenfreude on August 8, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Make no mistake, ISIL’s biggest target is the US. That pursuit need to be stopped in its infancy.
Marcus Traianus on August 8, 2014 at 9:35 AM

“see you in New York” – al-Baghdadi

itsacookbook on August 8, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Cindy Sheehan is already protesting at Martha’s Vineyards.

Schadenfreude on August 8, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Um…wth are you doing?

Jaibones on August 8, 2014 at 10:46 AM

I clipped and pasted a comment I made on another thread, and accidentally grabbed the “dateline” along with it.

Why do you ask? Conspiracy theories abound.

Walter L. Newton on August 8, 2014 at 11:03 AM

I nternational
S ociety
I for individual
L iberty

The ironies write themselves

Schadenfreude on August 8, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Where is Ned Pepper, defending his oaf?

Schadenfreude on August 8, 2014 at 11:05 AM

WRONG. It doesn’t HAVE to be long at all.

Carpet bomb ISIS into DUST.

Easy Peezy. No boots on the ground at all.

Meople on August 8, 2014 at 11:06 AM

If we are to fight a war there…do it right:

(1) Arm only those you can trust. Infidels and Kurds (for now at least). Do not arm the shia arabs, or any sunni arab based groups, like the so called FSA. You can’t trust any of those groups, and any weapons we give them will end up either in ISIS’s hands, or the Iranians, or will be used by them to attack infidels, or the Kurds, after it is over.

(2) Limit the goals. The goal should be a stable and free Kurdistan, hopefully where the other religious minorities can live, like the Christians and Yazidis, or if not allow them to escape as refugees to the West. We cannot try to save and re-unite Iraq, or re-establish some kind of functioning democracy there, or get involved in the Sunni-Shia civil war. That will just get us bogged down, and as much as I would love Obama to fall into that kind of debacle from a political perspective, it would be awful for America and led to brave Americans getting killed for nothing.

So with those two important points made, I would have no trouble with an air campaign and even limited numbers of boots on the ground, like special forces working with the Kurds to effectively direct airstrikes. So have I moderated my opinion on getting involved, no…I am still 100% against America getting involved in saving Iraq, or stop the Sunni-Shia war, but a free Kurdistan might be useful strategically in the short term and I am always for helping infidels get away from Islamist or arming them to fight Islamist.

William Eaton on August 8, 2014 at 11:07 AM

obama owns ISIS, Iraq, and the open borders in the US.

The big irony is that GWB destroyed the eunuch.

“Chimpey” is laughing his azz off.

Both should end up in Hell, same layer.

Schadenfreude on August 8, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Some demand hack with wolfie insist Obama has been on top of this situation and is doing a great job

cmsinaz on August 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Where is Ned Pepper, defending his oaf?

Schadenfreude on August 8, 2014 at 11:05 AM

He’s busy on the phone getting his talking points on the HHS criminal.

VegasRick on August 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Dem

Android ugh

cmsinaz on August 8, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Pambi
Yup…trying hard not to place any blame on dear leader….own it wolfie….he’s yours

cmsinaz on August 8, 2014 at 11:13 AM

And he’ll play golf without any problems from the lsm during his war

cmsinaz on August 8, 2014 at 11:15 AM

The leftists are all in shock today. None are here to defend their oaf, who’s chief.

Schadenfreude on August 8, 2014 at 11:16 AM

WRONG. It doesn’t HAVE to be long at all.

Carpet bomb ISIS into DUST.

Easy Peezy. No boots on the ground at all.

Meople on August 8, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Sadly we will probably need some people to work with the Kurds to direct the attacks, but you right about the carpet bombing. I am not sure how much pinpoint strikes will be useful considering ISIS forces are using mostly Toyota pickup trucks (they last forever too) like the Mongolians used horses back in the day. Unleash the B52s…plus it will scare the heck out of them, even the Taliban was frightened of them, and will make America feel better about itself.

William Eaton on August 8, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Can someone on line here explain how an army that is “swift, effective, and capable of carrying out military mission with quote tremendous military proficiency” just suddenly appear within the borders of a sovereign country. I’ve heard estimates that their numbers are at least 10,000 and as many as 50,000. Where did they come from?

InterestedObserver on August 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM

You get 3 guesses but you’ll only need one.

bgibbs1000 on August 8, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Wino on August 8, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Of course this is about PR. Did what I described really sound like a plan to win the war?

Here’s the thing: Obama doesn’t want this war but he’s part of it because the country holds him responsible for keeping the Iraq somewhat stable. Once he starts ordering attacks on ISIS they’ll hold him more responsible, which will require more action and so on.

In the past he’s been able to find an out for these sorts of things. Declaring victory in Libya when Ghadafi was executed, or taking the Russians chemical weapons deal in Syria.

I don’t see an obvious out for this situation, so he’ll keep pushing ahead a little more whenever people complain too much that he’s not doing anything.

Mahna Mahna on August 8, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Sadly we will probably need some people to work with the Kurds to direct the attacks, but you right about the carpet bombing. I am not sure how much pinpoint strikes will be useful considering ISIS forces are using mostly Toyota pickup trucks (they last forever too) like the Mongolians used horses back in the day. Unleash the B52s…plus it will scare the heck out of them, even the Taliban was frightened of them, and will make America feel better about itself.

William Eaton on August 8, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Yeah, but it’s smoke anyway. This “President” isn’t going to do that. He’s fine with ISIS slaughtering Christians and the Kurds.

The ONLY reason he lifted a finger at all to help the Christians trapped on the mountain is because the “press” started reporting on it. Up to that point, he was ignoring it.

He doesn’t want to destroy ISIS, they’re his brotherhood, and they’re using the weapons he gave them in Libya, before the Benghazi attack.

Meople on August 8, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Actually proud of Obama for the first time in a very long time. Iraq’s problem are its own. Leave us out.

libfreeordie on June 13, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Chuck Schick on August 8, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Airpower can only go so far… I imagine ISIS already have tunnels underneath most of their occupied towns. It will take competent boots to root them out. Want to know how many competent boots there are in the iraqi army? anyone? Nadda…

Boxtnt on August 8, 2014 at 11:55 AM

But yeah, I’ve already started making giant paper-mache heads of Dog Eater and I’m collecting old shoes to throw at the heads during the anti-war march.

Libfree and verba are going to join me in DC as we gather tens of thousands of our fellow travelers to protest this outrageous imperialist action by a warmongering preznit.

You are all welcome to join, go to MorOn.org for more information>

Bishop on August 8, 2014 at 9:15 AM

My first smile of the morning ;}

Recon5 on August 8, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Rear Adm. John Kirby ✔ @PentagonPresSec
Follow
Press reports that US has conducted airstrikes in Iraq completely false. No such action taken.

Then who the hell said this? (Niteowl grumbles) Freaking tool!

NiteOwl on August 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM

“We don’t understand real evil, organized evil very well,” said America’s former ambassador to Iraq and Afghanistan, Ryan Crocker, in an interview with The New York Times. “This is evil incarnate.”

Many of us do recognize “evil incarnate”. We have been fighting it in the US since even before the W Wilson Regime – it manifests itself here under the name of Legion Progressivism.

Reuben Hick on August 8, 2014 at 12:11 PM

If we are to fight a war there…do it right:

(1) Arm only those you can trust.

Except I don’t trust anyone in this Regime, and increasingly the leadership of the US military as the purge of Patriots began years ago to be replaced by Enemies of the United States.

Reuben Hick on August 8, 2014 at 12:16 PM

“Obushbama!!!”

Akzed on August 8, 2014 at 12:21 PM

If only the world’s smartest man knew that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That’s probably just an old white racist saying.

jukin3 on August 8, 2014 at 12:25 PM

It is essential to protect the Kurds – with military assets, training and weapons. Ironically, it was the Kurds who were gassed by Saddam Hussein, leading to the first Iraq War – and the rise of WMD’s.

In 1998 – we had military assets working with the Kurds – and a mutual level of respect and knowledge was gleamed. The fight went to Iraq, while the Kurds were pretty much left alone. Now that the void is being attacked directly by ISIS – it is again, essential for the Kurds to be supported, protected and if possible, annexed to form their own country.

Suni’s and Shiite’s are going to battle to the death, for the current Admin created their new war – and it looks like a best case scenario is 2 Iraq’s – split along Suni/Shiite secularism – with a Kurd independent state in the Northeast. Strategically a Kurd state offers logistical benefits – the “diplomacy” should be centered around negotiating with the usual suspects, namely Turkey – regardless of their hatred for Israel – to secure the annex of Kurdistan – but more importantly – the role of US assets to be “allowed” there.

But alas, this Admin will most likely not do any of this – and will fluctuate between useless “roles”, while trying desperately – and wrongly – to appease their hardcore dove, left base.

The ME will continue to burn, Christians will be slaughtered; while support for Hamas continues and ISIS will get a free ride to roll the region through barbarism and terror.

This is the net result of hiring an AA President, supported by his do nothing party – in a big, bad world.

Odie1941 on August 8, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Are we or are we not in a war on terror with ISLAMIC terrorists?

Let’s take on these bastards now! Take the gloves off, get it out in the open, THIS is where we show those subhuman dogs their end is coming!! We must fight ISIL now, there while those dogs are running free only in the mideast! FIGHT TO WIN!!!

otlset on August 8, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Can someone on line here explain how an army that is “swift, effective, and capable of carrying out military mission with quote tremendous military proficiency” just suddenly appear within the borders of a sovereign country. I’ve heard estimates that their numbers are at least 10,000 and as many as 50,000. Where did they come from?

InterestedObserver on August 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM

They were just one part of the rebel force fighting Assad in Syria – until King Putt beefed them up with weapons, money and supplies, and they got some publicity posing with Senator Dumbshiite McCain. The ruthless slaughter of a few towns full of “infidels” in Syria gave them more converts (join us or die), and since they were at best in a stalemate with Assad’s forces, they decided to head for Iraq for easier pickin’s – voila.

dentarthurdent on August 8, 2014 at 12:32 PM

strikes on select targets

This won’t do shiite…
It needs to be large scale bombing, and we need to be watching for their convoys of pickups on the road and turn those into “highways of death” as we did in Iraq I and II…

dentarthurdent on August 8, 2014 at 12:39 PM

I have no problem with air power-but the Iraqi’s are going to have to provide the ground troops themselves.

gerrym51 on August 8, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Whacking ISIS as I type, er, Copy/Pasty:

Bram Janssen
@BramJanssen

Videographer – The Associated Press.

Bram Janssen @BramJanssen · 1m

One bomb dropped in #Khazer, 100 meters from us. The rest into #IS territory. Hard to say where, but approx between 1-3 km from Khazer.

Bram Janssen @BramJanssen · 24s
We counted six air strikes. We were standing at the Khazer checkpoint which thousands of refugees from #Mosul fled yesterday. #IS

Bram Janssen @BramJanssen · 47s

We’re safe. As far as we know now no casualties on Kurdish side. #IS.

Bram Janssen @BramJanssen · 47m

Strikes are too close to peshmerga frontline. Lots of shooting in background now. #isis

Bram Janssen @BramJanssen · 51m

Damn, bomb just dropped 100 meters from us. #isis

Bram Janssen @BramJanssen · 53m

US air strikes on #ISIS territory happening right now.

Bram Janssen @BramJanssen · 55m

BREAKING: Bombing taking place as we speak. #IS #ISIS #US

Bram Janssen @BramJanssen · 1h

Peshmerga saying US plane is on it’s way to #Khazer. Where we are now. Soldiers in front line told to get back hundreds of meters.

Bram Janssen @BramJanssen · 2h

Waiting for US air strikes at the frontline. #IS #ISIS #Iraq

https://twitter.com/BramJanssen/status/497744529672658944/photo/1

Bram Janssen @BramJanssen · 7h

Christian refugees in #erbil are happy with #US air strikes, but ‘should have been done earlier’ they say. #ISIS #IS

https://twitter.com/BramJanssen

canopfor on August 8, 2014 at 12:42 PM

I do know what evil looks like and how it acts… indeed it is by their actions that you know them, with their words only serving as the warning signs of what will come.

It is making grand sounding speeches that only signify something for just that instant and not meaning one word of it for anything else.

It is being unable to finish a war and bring peace because you disagreed with the war, and thus no peace ever happens and the war comes back harder, harsher and deeper.

It is saying one thing and then doing another, because you know that the other is coming but you dare not say so as that would be honest. When we were told that there would be no more ‘boots on the ground’ that foretold that there would, indeed, be boots on the ground in the near future. Apply that to ‘there is no threat from Ebola’ and think what it is that pattern of thinking is trying to do to you.

War is not a nice thing, nor a good thing, but it can often be a necessary thing and once you are in one you do not stop, you do not falter, you do not forget what you came to do as, when you do, then you are no longer fighting to WIN and soon you are fighting to NOT LOSE, which means that you have spoken LOSE and it is now available and shows a lack of determination, commitment and duty to your fellow man. This sort of things makes wars longer, worse, harder and gets more people killed because there is LACK of resolution to see something that is bad, that you may even disagree with, through to its end when you have VOLUNTEERED to do so.

I do know what evil looks like and have witnessed it on the large and small scale several times, and it easy enough to warn about with the words ‘no good shall come of that’. It is one of my more used taglines and I’ve used it multiple times in regards to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iran, Colombia, UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, Mexico, Colombia… the list goes on and on because we have an entire class of people who wish to grab power over their fellow man and take it to themselves via the necessary evil of government. They seek to seduce you with your own money. They seek to distract you with pleasant words and high sounding thoughts, to tell you they hate war and then seek to make it worse, deeper, harder and more lethal to all involved. Evil crosses party lines, it crosses Nations, it crosses continents and yet you need nothing more than people in office who don’t want to do their DAMNED JOB but, instead tell others how to LIVE THEIR LIVES.

ISIS wants an Islamic only Caliphate.

We have healthcare pushed down our throats to destroy our healthcare system via good intentions and now find ourselves worrying that our healthcare system is dysfunctional and can’t handle a major disease outbreak… yet that would help to reduce the population and make the survivors more dependent on government so that they can be controlled. At least ISIS is honest, brutal and barbaric about their ends and means… we have people who are mean as a means to an end that they dare never think about or tell you about but ends the exact, same way.

No good shall come of either path.

There are better paths to take, but they require duty to one’s job, honor in commitment to the job regardless of your personal beliefs, and then finishing nasty, dirty tasks and not seeking to distract and continue the horrors of war to commit other evils at home. For all the Left talks of peace, Obama has never, once, uttered the words ‘peace treaty’ in regards to Iraq or Afghanistan or even in the Koreas. That tells you what he wants and it sure, as hell, isn’t peace. So we get excuses for war, more war, spreading war instead.

I do know evil when I see it.

Damned easy to point out as its happening too.

Which I did.

You don’t have to be the Amazing Kreskin or the Stupdendous Yappi to figure this out. It ain’t rocket science.

ajacksonian on August 8, 2014 at 12:46 PM

WTF?:

Iraq crisis
1h
FAA: US flights banned from flying over Iraqi airspace ‘due to potentially hazardous situation’ on the ground – @Phil_Mattingly
see original on twitter.com
===========================

https://twitter.com/FAANews

The FAA @FAANews · 2h

FAA Statement – New Notice to Airmen Issued for Iraq http://1.usa.gov/X6Adt8 #aviation

canopfor on August 8, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Iraq will probably be the reason why America loses her standing as worlds super power.

We should have never been there

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Tell you what…this is how it goes and this is how it is done. Get the Christians and people not involved in some jihad war and get them into another country. Then…with the weapons available but not used…get rid of the problem. These people are evil. If you want to continue with this…then do as you have been doing. If you want it gone…get it gone…FOR GOOD.

Carolynr on August 8, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Tell you what…this is how it goes and this is how it is done. Get the Christians and people not involved in some jihad war and get them into another country. Then…with the weapons available but not used…get rid of the problem. These people are evil. If you want to continue with this…then do as you have been doing. If you want it gone…get it gone…FOR GOOD.

Carolynr on August 8, 2014 at 12:49 PM

The problem is radical Islam. Anyone who ever thought going to Iraq was a good idea in 2003 should never be allowed to serve in out government ever again.
I don’t even like using the term “radical” Islam because I honestly think most muslims deep down agree with this jihad nonsense.

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Iraq will probably be the reason why America loses her standing as worlds super power.

We should have never been there

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Iraq was won. The surge left Iraq with a sustainable country. Obama said so himself.

itsspideyman on August 8, 2014 at 12:55 PM

My uncle used to own a Yazidi. Great bike, but parts were really expensive.

Galtian on August 8, 2014 at 12:57 PM

our*

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Iraq was won. The surge left Iraq with a sustainable country. Obama said so himself.

itsspideyman on August 8, 2014 at 12:55 PM

You have to define “won”
As long as Iraq was full of Muslims it was only a matter of time.
unless the US plan on keeping troops there forever (which we cannot afford).
Have you noticed all the “peaceful” Muslim countries usually have a King or dictator in charge?
Muslims can’t function under a democracy, Iraq was always bound to be a failure.

The problem here is not a liberal or conservative policy but Islam.

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Why is CBS lying to the American public? Just yesterday the Obama administration clearly stated that there was no military solution for Iraq. Obama certainly didn’t do a 180 in less than 24 hours, right?

corkie on August 8, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Iraq will probably be the reason why America loses her standing as worlds super power.

We should have never been there

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Barring a time machine – lets talk about today and tomorrow.

America will not lose it’s standing as a Super Power due to Iraq, it’s laughable to think so.

The threat to our Super Power status comes from within – the Obama Administration. Gutting the military, gutting protective assets in Eastern Europe, gutting our Asian exposure and gutting our role in the ME will.

Odie1941 on August 8, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Have you noticed all the “peaceful” Muslim countries usually have a King or dictator in charge?
Muslims can’t function under a democracy, Iraq was always bound to be a failure.

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 1:04 PM

I don’t even like using the term “radical” Islam because I honestly think most muslims deep down agree with this jihad nonsense.

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 12:54 PM

sentinelrules on August 8, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Anyone who ever thought going to Iraq was a good idea in 2003 should never be allowed to serve in out government ever again.
weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 12:54 PM

I could live with that:

58% of Democratic senators (29 of 50) voted for the resolution. Those voting for the resolution are:
Sens. Lincoln (D-AR), Feinstein (D-CA), Dodd (D-CT), Lieberman (D-CT), Biden (D-DE), Carper (D-DE), Nelson (D-FL), Cleland (D-GA), Miller (D-GA), Bayh (D-IN), Harkin (D-IA), Breaux (D-LA), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Kerry (D-MA), Carnahan (D-MO), Baucus (D-MT), Nelson (D-NE), Reid (D-NV), Torricelli (D-NJ), Clinton (D-NY), Schumer (D-NY), Edwards (D-NC), Dorgan (D-ND), Hollings (D-SC), Daschle (D-SD), Johnson (D-SD), Cantwell (D-WA), Rockefeller (D-WV), and Kohl (D-WI).

dentarthurdent on August 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Then arm the Kurds with everything in our inventory short of nukes, they’re willing to fight so give them the means. The Turkomen will join, the Yazidis, everyone will fight if they have more than a rusty sickle to do so.

If the ISIS savages want to reach paradise we should help them using the scariest weapons we own; FAE’s, WP, and MOAB’s come to mind, and napalm is about the spookiest thing you can hit the enemy with. Let ISIS face something more than defenseless civilians, let them worry about being burned to a crisp by a sudden wave of jellied gasoline washing over them.

Bishop on August 8, 2014 at 8:53 AM
That’s what I’m talkin’ about!

Ward Cleaver on August 8, 2014 at 9:55 AM

Ditto here, Ward. I suggest before dropping the jellied gasoline though that we drop some pig blood cluster bombs on them, and then fry’em. Take the incentive of 72 virgins away, and suddenly being roasted like a bbq brisket doesn’t seem quite as appealing….

billboy89 on August 8, 2014 at 1:12 PM

“We don’t understand real evil, organized evil very well,” said America’s former ambassador to Iraq and Afghanistan, Ryan Crocker, in an interview with The New York Times.

Which is exactly why Obama was re-elected.

AZCoyote on August 8, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Update: Chuck Todd: “Of course, no one could have foreseen this”.

Rovin on August 8, 2014 at 9:20 AM

That is some weapons-grade stupid right there.

AZCoyote on August 8, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Iraq will probably be the reason why America loses her standing as worlds super power.

We should have never been there

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Putting the “never” part aside, do you think we should do something to protect 40 thousand people who have been marked for execution and/or death by siege (not to mention the Christians and other groups that ISIL doesn’t care for)?

Walter L. Newton on August 8, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Coming to a decision on this just 2 weeks ago could have saved thousands of people and multiple cities and towns from being overrun.

forest on August 8, 2014 at 9:14 AM

-
Indeed.

Isis forces were literally lined up parading in celebration.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-13/isis-fighters-celebrate-in-mosul/5523650

Just breathtaking incompetence.

diogenes on August 8, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Ditto here, Ward. I suggest before dropping the jellied gasoline though that we drop some pig blood cluster bombs on them, and then fry’em. Take the incentive of 72 virgins away, and suddenly being roasted like a bbq brisket doesn’t seem quite as appealing….

billboy89 on August 8, 2014 at 1:12 PM

With the additional advantage that the whole country will smell like fresh cooked bacon….

dentarthurdent on August 8, 2014 at 1:23 PM

President Obama was told all his life that pulling out early was the best course of action, even given the messy finish. Now he finds out that being prepared is a better way to conduct one’s self?

Sheesh! Hey, I AM talking about Iraq.

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 1:30 PM

ISIS forces are using mostly Toyota pickup trucks (they last forever too)

William Eaton on August 8, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I doubt any of those Toyotas could withstand 30MM cannon fire and cluster bombs from an A-10 Warthog. Let’s just put a bounty on them, and let the Warthog pilots roam freely over ISIS held territory.

bobthm3 on August 8, 2014 at 1:31 PM

President Obama was told all his life that pulling out early was the best course of action, even given the messy finish.

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 1:30 PM

If only his father had done so. IYKWIMAITTYD.

Resist We Much on August 8, 2014 at 1:37 PM

ISIS forces are using mostly Toyota pickup trucks (they last forever too)

William Eaton on August 8, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I doubt any of those Toyotas could withstand 30MM cannon fire and cluster bombs from an A-10 Warthog. Let’s just put a bounty on them, and let the Warthog pilots roam freely over ISIS held territory.

bobthm3 on August 8, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Hilux. Technicals.

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 1:38 PM

If only his father had done so. IYKWIMAITTYD.

Resist We Much on August 8, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Slang comes and goes and I am very old and remember using the term Durex. Now that you made me go and do it the word cottaging just passed by my last three brain cells!

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 1:42 PM

I know there is little love for Romney around here, but does anyone rational seriously doubt he would have been bombing the bejeezus out of the ISIL a few weeks back?

Democrats are worse than the enemy. They blame America for everything, too, and they can buy LIV votes with taxpayer money, making them much more dangerous.

fadetogray on August 8, 2014 at 1:50 PM

What is important to remember is that when troops were withdrawn from Iraq by Obama, he stated “we are leaving behind a sovereign, stable, and self reliant Iraq.” Vice President Biden stated during the 20121 campaign that he believed Iraq was going to be one of Obama’s great achievements. So please stop blaming President Bush for this debacle. He passed on a stable Iraq to this administration. Obama despised the war, and saw a way to blame Republicans for it by injecting poison pills into the SOFA negoations, demanding that the entire Iraqi parliament agree to the agreement. Maliki was in agreement with it. Obama sabotaged the agreement, purposefully. This has not been presented strongly by the Republicans and Democrats keep repeating the lie.
Gardis CT

Gardis - CT on August 8, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Am I the only one who finds this development to be absolutely delicious?

After all of O’s many efforts (a brief summary): to foment the arab spring, topple secular/stable ME governments, support his Muslim Brotherhood and so many of his mobros – all in an effort to help establish the caliphate – to arm and support his fellow travelers with U.S. tax dollars and munitions through Libya and Syria, what exactly has he now achieved?

He’s forced to bomb his brethren. He’s forced to eat war crow. He’s forced to save Christians in the process (that must really be the worst of it)!

There are other wonderful results: the MB is out of power in Egypt, Islam is again making its barbaric case for the world to see and condemn. . . And then there’s Israel. All of his efforts to undermine and abandon her (while supporting Hamas, again with U.S. treasure) led to Hamas’ ‘rise’/concentration of power and their renewed and intensified, barbaric bombing campaign – and Israel is finally able to deal with Hamas in the way it must: take them out in justifiable self defense.

O must be truly PO’d – kind of like when he was shoved into (finally) offing OBL.

The spider and his web appear to be snaring itself. You built that web, O. Your failures and impotency are a marvelous sight to behold.

I believe God is laughing right about now.

I know I am.

Opinionator on August 8, 2014 at 2:13 PM

We are going to find, when there is an honest review of this whole thing, that ISIS was the brainchild of the IGRC, and it came back to bite them in the ass.

victor82 on August 8, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Recovery Summer !!!11!!

faraway on August 8, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Opinionator on August 8, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Agreed.
Evil makes it’s plans, NEVER unseen nor unknown.
Traps of evil will eventually close upon themselves.
Because of Someone Else’s plans.

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 2:27 PM

The good news is that Putin will be able to roll into the Ukraine without anyone noticing.

faraway on August 8, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Evil makes it’s plans, NEVER unseen nor unknown.
Traps of evil will eventually close upon themselves.
Because of Someone Else’s plans.

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Precisely. Evil’s chickens will come home to roost.

I hope all goes very, very well for you, pambi. I’ve missed you.

Opinionator on August 8, 2014 at 2:36 PM

“We don’t understand real evil, organized evil very well,” said America’s former ambassador to Iraq and Afghanistan, Ryan Crocker, in an interview with The New York Times. “This is evil incarnate.”

Yes, it is evil incarnate, the very embodiment of Mohammad.

VorDaj on August 8, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Opinionator on August 8, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Thanks. Have missed you, too, OP. All’s well, here, and hope also with you.
Can only stand so much of this cr*p for so long and sorta check out for a time.
Tend to read a lot, but have very little energy for engagement anymore.
Most of HA’s bestest and brightest voice my ideas before I even write them out myself, so my posting would merely be boringly repetitive.
LOL.
Couldn’t bear to ignore your observation, tho, and like to affirm goodies like that one.
:-)

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 2:49 PM

I’d much rather bomb Gaza.

claudius on August 8, 2014 at 2:52 PM

This calls for a Warrior General – are there any left?

Another Drew on August 8, 2014 at 2:57 PM

The Associated Press @AP · 44m

VIDEO: The Pentagon says US fighters have dropped bombs on Islamic militants in Iraq: http://apne.ws/1A0tcrA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr5mkD5-I_M

canopfor on August 8, 2014 at 3:00 PM

No Joke: White House Says Obama Didn’t Bomb Syria Because Assad Didn’t Ask Him To…

Which begs the obvious follow-up question: Why would Assad ask the United States to bomb him?

You see, Obama didn’t really draw a red line about Assad using chemical weapons. He actually drew one against ISIS. When he said that ‘Assad must go,’ it was a speak-o. He really meant that al-Baghdadi must go. And, he would have killed the sonofab1tch if only the peace-loving, but incompetent eunuch, Assad, had asked him to drop some mega-tonnes on ISIS.

Since Assad didn’t ask Obama to bomb Syria, what is happening in Iraq is the former’s fault.

New from the Obama Common Core AP History book:

‘The United States bombed Nazi Germany because Adolf Hitler asked us to and said ‘Please, please, please, with sugar on top…and chocolate sprinkles…and marshmallows…and pistachios…and Oreo crumbles…and chocolate chunks…and Reese’s Pieces…and walnuts…and M&Ms…and chocolate whipped cream…and Irish coffee-flavoured whipped
cream…and a cherry…no, make that three cherries!’

Coming to a public school classroom near you!

Resist We Much on August 8, 2014 at 3:02 PM

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/iraq-violence/

Iraq crisis
Iraq
17m

Kurdish official confirms Islamic State militants seized control of Iraq’s biggest dam in latest offensive – @Reuters
Read more on baltimoresun.com
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Iraq
20m
Pope Francis sends envoy to Iraq to help ousted Christians – @AP
Read more on washingtonpost.com
Iraq
53m
Senior Kurdish official: Islamic State fighters pose ‘existential threat’ to Kurds – @Reuters
Read more on trust.org
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Iraq
58m
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., on Iraq: ‘I strongly support the president’s authorization for airstrikes against [Islamic State]. This is not a typical terrorist organization – it is a terrorist army, operating with military expertise, advancing across Iraq and rapidly consolidating its position’ – statement
Read more on senate.gov

Aug 08 2014
Feinstein Statement on Airstrikes Against ISIL

Washington—Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) released the following statement on the president’s authorization for airstrikes in Iraq:

“I strongly support the president’s authorization for airstrikes against ISIL. This is not a typical terrorist organization—it is a terrorist army, operating with military expertise, advancing across Iraq and rapidly consolidating its position.

“ISIL is capturing new Iraqi towns every day, is reported to be in control of Mosul Dam and is engaging in a campaign of ethnic cleansing that appears to be attempted genocide. I believe that once this group solidifies its hold on what it calls the Islamic State, its next target may be Baghdad.

“It has become clear that ISIL is recruiting fighters in Western countries, training them to fight its battles in the Middle East and possibly returning them to European and American cities to attack us in our backyard. We simply cannot allow this to happen.

“It takes an army to defeat an army, and I believe that we either confront ISIL now or we will be forced to deal with an even stronger enemy in the future. Inaction is no longer an option. I support actions by the administration to coordinate efforts with Iraq and other allies to use our military strength and targeting expertise to the fullest extent possible.”

###

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=14eeb9b3-93ab-407e-a380-b895faf699ea

canopfor on August 8, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Resist We Much on August 8, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Nailed it.

Need a shamwow, tho.

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 3:05 PM

O liberal-nitwit-atheist apologists for Islam …

Jaibones on August 8, 2014 at 9:18 AM

The largest contingent of Islam apologists is in the ‘faith community’, hands down. It is they who have all the ‘interfaith dialog’. All one sided, of course, but that doesn’t seem to discourage them in the least.

VorDaj on August 8, 2014 at 3:05 PM

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Thank you, too :) You’ve described where I am to a tee. Others speak most eloquently for me here. I am hunkered down, reading and watching developments. . .

The sure knowledge that good will ultimately triumph is being reaffirmed before our very eyes. Observing it unfold, I was simply too happy not to comment ;)

Stay well and know you are often in my thoughts and prayers.

Opinionator on August 8, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Alert:

The Associated Press @AP · 24s

BREAKING: Iraqi official says hundreds of Yazidi women taken captive by Islamic State militants.

canopfor on August 8, 2014 at 3:07 PM

canopfor on August 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Coming to a public school classroom near you!

Resist We Much on August 8, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Resist We Much: Sweet bippy,…, and Hopey is going to be a JOKE,
in the History Books————————-:)

canopfor on August 8, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Then arm the Kurds with everything in our inventory short of nukes, they’re willing to fight so give them the means. The Turkomen will join, the Yazidis, everyone will fight if they have more than a rusty sickle to do so.

Bishop on August 8, 2014 at 8:53 AM

One battery of artillery is worth a thousand muskets.
- William Tecumseh Sherman

VorDaj on August 8, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Liberate Iraq a 3rd time!?!? Absolutely not! Our government is evidently no longer to be trusted with war making powers. Our government does not enforce our borders. What does that leave?

claudius on August 8, 2014 at 3:18 PM

canopfor on August 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Oh, dear Lord.

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Putting the “never” part aside, do you think we should do something to protect 40 thousand people who have been marked for execution and/or death by siege (not to mention the Christians and other groups that ISIL doesn’t care for)?

Walter L. Newton on August 8, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Saddam Hussein would have taken care of ISIS in less than 24 hours.
This part of the world is best ruled by a dictator.
Another reason why we should have never been in Iraq.
This would have been Saddam’s problem. Now it’s the problem of the American tax payer.

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 3:26 PM

The Associated Press @AP · 29s

MORE: The spokesman for Iraq’s human rights ministry says some of the women are being held in schools in Mosul: http://apne.ws/1uwpDGL
=========

Iraq official: Militants hold 100s of Yazidi women
By SAMEER N. YACOUB
— Aug. 8, 2014 3:06 PM EDT
***************************

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/iraq-official-militants-hold-100s-yazidi-women

canopfor on August 8, 2014 at 3:27 PM

too bad they already sent out all those pink slips to acting military, huh?

WaldoTJ on August 8, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Saddam Hussein would have taken care of ISIS in less than 24 hours.
This part of the world is best ruled by a dictator.
Another reason why we should have never been in Iraq.
This would have been Saddam’s problem. Now it’s the problem of the American tax payer.

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Spoken like a true moron. Freedom and liberty is good for you. For others, not so much.

Did you happen to know that Saddam loyalists are playing a key role in the success that ISIS is having in Iraq?

ISIS never would have either invaded a Saddam-led Iraq or been formed within a Saddam-led Iraq. He didn’t need it – he had the Iraqi military to brutalize these minorities – and he wasn’t a target of the Islamic fundamentalists jihadi’s since he also was willing to arm, fund, and assist those organizations in attacking their shared targets like the US and Israel.

And of course, to the leftards, terrorism and genocide is always someone else’s problem to address as long as it isn’t taking place inside the US. For an ideology that claims to be based on compassion and human rights, your contempt towards the lives of others is despicable and hypocritical.

Go troll / moby someplace else.

Athos on August 8, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Saddam Hussein would have taken care of ISIS in less than 24 hours.
This part of the world is best ruled by a dictator.
Another reason why we should have never been in Iraq.
This would have been Saddam’s problem. Now it’s the problem of the American tax payer.

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Then why did Obama and his merry band of progressives support the overthrow of Gaddafi, Mubarak and Bashar al-Assad?.

All it did was unleash ISIS, who are now armed with American weapons and equipment.

If anyone is to blame it’s Obama for not stopping these Islamic thugs in their tracks.

darwin on August 8, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Please spread the message…ISIS is using Twitter with a new hashtag: “#amessagefromisistous”. Lila Rose tweeted something about it today. It’s straight-on propaganda; they tweet threats, movies of “US” soldiers crying, pictures of actual soldiers crying and in caskets…you get the idea.

This is insane. What the heck is anyone going to do about this?

RI_Red on August 8, 2014 at 4:10 PM

“We don’t understand real evil, organized evil very well,” said America’s former ambassador to Iraq and Afghanistan, Ryan Crocker, in an interview with The New York Times. “This is evil incarnate.”

But we do understand incompetence, organized incompetence very well. Obama is incompetence incarnate.

There’s only three plausible reasons I can think of, as to why Obama has waited so long to do anything about ISIL. A) He really is the stupidest, most incompetent leader the world has ever know. B) When the mess in Syria began, Obama had some shady back channel dealings with the pre-cursors of ISIL, and was either arming or financing them. C) Some combination of A and B.

HarryBackside on August 8, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Spoken like a true moron. Freedom and liberty is good for you. For others, not so much.

I think the whole “Arab Spring” nonsense has been pretty well debunked by now. Islam and freedom/liberty don’t sit well together.

Did you happen to know that Saddam loyalists are playing a key role in the success that ISIS is having in Iraq?

Athos on August 8, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Of course they are as they are also Sunnis and have joined them to fight Shiites who were put in power as Saddam’s replacements.

VorDaj on August 8, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Sadly we will probably need some people to work with the Kurds to direct the attacks, but you right about the carpet bombing. I am not sure how much pinpoint strikes will be useful considering ISIS forces are using mostly Toyota pickup trucks (they last forever too) like the Mongolians used horses back in the day. Unleash the B52s…plus it will scare the heck out of them, even the Taliban was frightened of them, and will make America feel better about itself.

William Eaton on August 8, 2014 at 11:24 AM

You can have a parking lot full of little Toyota pickup trucks, and lightly-used MRAPS; I don’t care. They all run on refined petrolium.

Petroleum refineries are very visible, very fragile, and very flammable. Daisy cutter goes BOOM.
Problem solved.

Also works for concentrations of hostiles. Especially in “cities” that have become “Judenfrei”. And Christian-frei. And Yazidi-frei. If you want to stiffen the backbone of the Iraqi forces, let them see what NOT fighting on Our Side can be like. They will fight ISIL to protect themselves from us, if nothing else; knowing that if they don’t and we do it for them we will be merciless.

Oh, by the way, that means WE have to be merciless. ISIL is most definitely not playing by the Geneva Convention rules, so we are not required to and should not be.

“Cry HAVOK, and loose the dogs of War!”

ReggieA on August 8, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Then why did Obama and his merry band of progressives support the overthrow of Gaddafi, Mubarak and Bashar al-Assad?.

darwin on August 8, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Because like George “Islam is Love, not hate” Bush they believe very absurd things about Islam.

VorDaj on August 8, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Then why did Obama and his merry band of progressives support the overthrow of Gaddafi, Mubarak and Bashar al-Assad?.

All it did was unleash ISIS, who are now armed with American weapons and equipment.

If anyone is to blame it’s Obama for not stopping these Islamic thugs in their tracks.

darwin on August 8, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Darwin, please stop calling Obama’s brethren “thugs”. That’s just so ‘racist’. Obama armed his islamists, he’s letting them infiltrate our borders while they take over the middle east and africa. Then on to Europe and finally, Obama’s dream will come true. The flag of iSlam flying over the WH.

/they said he was “The One”… guess they weren’t kidding, huh?

Key West Reader on August 8, 2014 at 4:43 PM

“Cry HAVOK, and loose the dogs of War!”
ReggieA on August 8, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Pink Floyd said it best:

Dogs of war and men of hate
With no cause, we don’t discriminate
Discovery is to be disowned
Our currency is flesh and bone
Hell opened up and put on sale
Gather ’round and haggle
For hard cash, we will lie and deceive
Even our masters don’t know the web we weave

One world, it’s a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world, one world

Invisible transfers, long distance calls,
Hollow laughter in marble halls
Steps have been taken, a silent uproar
Has unleashed the dogs of war
You can’t stop what has begun
Signed, sealed, they deliver oblivion
We all have a dark side, to say the least
And dealing in death is the nature of the beast

One world, it’s a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world, one world

The dogs of war don’t negotiate
The dogs of war won’t capitulate,
They will take and you will give,
And you must die so that they may live
You can knock at any door,
But wherever you go, you know they’ve been there before
Well winners can lose and things can get strained
But whatever you change, you know the dogs remain.

One world, it’s a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world, one world

dentarthurdent on August 8, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Have a life-long friend who’s friend is a Dominican nun in Bakhdida, northern Iraq.
This is her report, posted yesterday, via another FB friend ….

People of Bakhdida have left all to north Iraq, Bakhdida is under attack of ISIS as we speak. The sisters’ s are still on the rood since yesterday, they have not reached the check point yet, hundreds of people still on the road with out water or food. For the first time in history Bakhdida is empty from her people. For the first time in history bells of the church did not ring. And no country in the world saying or doing anything. They are watching Iraq divisions being taken over by ISIS group and not a finger moved to help. Shame on every Country was responsible for destroying Iraq.

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 5:13 PM

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