So, a lot of those civilian casualties in Gaza were young men in their 20s…

posted at 9:21 am on August 8, 2014 by Noah Rothman

The lopsided death toll in the conflict in Gaza, which appears to be resuming following the conclusion of fruitless peace negotiations, has prompted many Western commentators to condemn Israel’s prosecution of that conflict. Even United States officials have urged Israel to observe even more “restraint,” well beyond the lengths the Israeli Defense Forces already go to in order to minimize civilian deaths.

Since the start of the conflict on August 6, according to UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR), 1,843 Palestinians had died in this conflict, many of whom were civilians. 66 Israelis lost their lives in the fighting, and nearly all of them have been soldiers.

But a number of news organizations have been attempting to quantify the precise number of civilians killed over the course of the conflict in Gaza. An interesting result of one such investigation was to determine that young men of fighting age were disproportionately represented among the Palestinian dead.

Via the BBC:

An analysis by the New York Times looked at the names of 1,431 casualties and found that “the population most likely to be militants, men ages 20 to 29, is also the most overrepresented in the death toll. They are 9% of Gaza’s 1.7 million residents, but 34% of those killed whose ages were provided.”

“At the same time, women and children under 15, the least likely to be legitimate targets, were the most underrepresented, making up 71% of the population and 33% of the known-age casualties.”

A similar investigation conducted by Al Jazeera came up with the same conclusion: young men in their 20s were vastly overrepresented in the Palestinian death toll.

An Israeli spokesman told BBC reporters that the United Nations’ figure is based on numbers provided by the Gaza health ministry which is operated by Hamas. “He said that part of the reason for the discrepancy between the figures was ‘when militants are brought to hospitals, they are brought in civilian clothing, obscuring terrorist affiliations,’” the BBC reported.

The implicit condemnation of Israel which so many news organizations allowed themselves to engage in now looks more than a little misguided. Perhaps the press should not have taken the United Nations and Hamas entirely at its word, considering their status as a U.S.-designated terrorist group and all.


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I’m shocked, just shocked at this revelation. /s

Imrahil on August 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Same definition as the “children” flooding across our southern border.

Akzed on August 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM

The Israeli Bombs are racist and sexist, the bombs need to kill an equal amount of women and people of color

Privatize It on August 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM

“Perhaps the press should not have taken the United Nations and Hamas entirely at its word, considering their status as a U.S.-designated terrorist group and all.”

The way that was written reads as though the United Nations is a U.S.-designated terrorist group, but then I thought, well that’s about right. If it isn’t, it should be.

Tom Servo on August 8, 2014 at 9:26 AM

I saw photos of dead bodies being pulled from the rubble that were labeled civilians. However, they were all young men, with beards and no mustaches, rolled up pants, thick belts, and pants with all those pockets. IOW, the Hamas uniform.

Blake on August 8, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Let Allah sort ‘em out.

307wolverine on August 8, 2014 at 9:27 AM

And this surprises who? The braindead? Well, it does surprise me that it’s not more lopsided, it probably is in actuality. And the statistics should separate out women from children; I have no doubt Palestinian women (please excuse my use of the polite term) are doing their patriotic duty to exterminate the Jews.

Fenris on August 8, 2014 at 9:29 AM

And this is news only to those whose blinders are still in place. The Gazans are animals who want to kill. Kill Israelis. Kill their children. Kill the oppressors. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill.

Wino on August 8, 2014 at 9:29 AM

So, a lot of those civilian casualties in Gaza were young men in their 20s…

…or, as liberals refer to them, “Children”. I generally refer to them as terrorists, whether it’s the Gaza strip, a rap concert or a Cubs game.

Jaibones on August 8, 2014 at 9:30 AM

The Israeli State Department has urged Dog Eater to use restraint when dealing with ISIS to minimize needless deaths and not create a lopsided toll.

Bishop on August 8, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Excessive and insanely disproportionate.

rogerb on August 8, 2014 at 9:33 AM

The Israeli State Department has urged Dog Eater to use restraint when dealing with ISIS to minimize needless deaths and not create a lopsided toll.

Bishop on August 8, 2014 at 9:32 AM

You’re a racist, Bishop. Genocide! Global Warming. Save the whales!

/leftist reflex

Wino on August 8, 2014 at 9:35 AM

Next DEMSNBC headline. Evil Israel targets Gaza City Young Men’s Choir.

dddave on August 8, 2014 at 9:36 AM

How many of the children documented to have been killed by Israeli military action were (probably against their will) wearing ‘Kamikaze’ vests?

How many of them were “fastened” (against their will) to buildings being used by Hamas for military operations?
.
We know that Hamas has engaged in both of these practices … but how can we prove the numbers?

listens2glenn on August 8, 2014 at 9:39 AM

And this surprises who? The braindead?

Fenris on August 8, 2014 at 9:29 AM

That is no way to speak of our trolls.
Hater!

katy the mean old lady on August 8, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Where have all the young men gone?
Gone to Gaza, every one.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Galtian on August 8, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Oh the [National] Socialist Left won’t be happy with these stats.

At first they’ll claim it’s a lie from ‘Faux News’, then their little hearts will sink when they find it’s from the NYT.

As a last line of defence they may argue that anyone under 27 is a child, with reference to Barrycare.

mudskipper on August 8, 2014 at 9:59 AM

katy the mean old lady on August 8, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Ya ya, I know you’re kidding, but I don’t hate; it makes me sad and angry. I mourn the decline and fall of Western Civilization. Despite the stated target, I think this sentiment applies to all:

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!

Fenris on August 8, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Break is over, stand on yer heads. Looks like Israel and Hamas have returned to the ol’ tried true, long term battle of attrition. The beat goes on.

vnvet on August 8, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Come Lord Jesus, only you can rescue us………

crosshugger on August 8, 2014 at 10:04 AM

The only conclusion I can come to is that Israel is real bad at genocide.

lowandslow on August 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Gee, ya think?

Even Anderson Cooper did reports on the last war and the contrived ambulance scenes. Funny how they forget about all this until the lies have been spread worldwide.

PattyJ on August 8, 2014 at 10:10 AM

The young men in their 20s got killed putting children on the roof tops of buildings…

albill on August 8, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Do they do this type of body count analysis with other conflicts?
Syria? Iraq? Libya? Ukraine?
Nah….no Jews involved there.

albill on August 8, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Civilian my ass. Those in Gaza are either part of the solution or part of the problem.

lel2007 on August 8, 2014 at 10:22 AM

The Israeli Bombs are racist and sexist, the bombs need to kill an equal amount of women and people of color

Privatize It on August 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Well, since they’re all “people of color”, the Israelis are just going to have to find some white people to counterbalance things.

BTW: Aren’t you supposed to kill fighting age men in a war?

NY2SC on August 8, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Dear Noah,

The way you get your next door neighbour to admit he is humping a dead goat in the backyard is to first get him to deny it. See, those opposed to Israel will take your own figures and use them against you…they will say that the IDF has directly targeted those under 15 and to date has killed over 472 innocent children (1,431 x .33). Are you saying Israel is at fault for the 472 deaths of children? Again, the progressives will quote you as saying that from reading your article.

The true point your article should have addressed is that Hamas is to blame for the collateral damage and death of innocent children and that be it one or a million; any deaths caused by Hamas directly or indirectly must be condemned by all people and nations.

Will progressives still use your words against you. Of course, but all those reading your article are not progressives. You are writing articles to inform and the message in this case shouls always be that Hamas is at fault.

Sincerely,

An old RedNeck

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Oh phew. So Israel has only murdered (1843*33%=608) 608 women and children under 15. Thanks Noah, this really puts my heart at ease.

beverlyfreaks on August 8, 2014 at 10:29 AM

See, those opposed to Israel will take your own figures and use them against you

Oh phew. So Israel has only murdered (1843*33%=608) 608 women and children under 15. Thanks Noah, this really puts my heart at ease.

Boy did you call that one.

lowandslow on August 8, 2014 at 10:33 AM

You do not mess with God’s Chosen People.

Oh phew. So Israel has only murdered (1843*33%=608) 608 women and children under 15. Thanks Noah, this really puts my heart at ease.

beverlyfreaks on August 8, 2014 at 10:29 AM

No, dear, the Palis hid behind 608 women and children under 15.

formwiz on August 8, 2014 at 10:33 AM

beverlyfreaks on August 8, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Try reading a dictionary, sometime.

OldEnglish on August 8, 2014 at 10:34 AM

“Young men in their 20′s?” That sound exactly like the helpless tattooed “children” assaulting our southern border.

Don L on August 8, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Oh phew. So Israel has only murdered (1843*33%=608) 608 women and children under 15. Thanks Noah, this really puts my heart at ease.

beverlyfreaks on August 8, 2014 at 10:29 AM

I know I’ll regret this, but here goes. Do you hold Hamas accountable in any way for the fate of those who died?

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on August 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Come Lord Jesus, only you can rescue us………

crosshugger on August 8, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Good luck with that.

Walter L. Newton on August 8, 2014 at 10:43 AM

I know I’ll regret this, but here goes. Do you hold Hamas accountable in any way for the fate of those who died?

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on August 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Yes of course.

beverlyfreaks on August 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Yes of course.

beverlyfreaks on August 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM

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And in which way do you hold them accountable?

Walter L. Newton on August 8, 2014 at 10:45 AM

How many of those woman and children were killed by Hamas’ dud rockets that fell back to earth inside of Gaza?

ReaganWasRight on August 8, 2014 at 10:46 AM

lowandslow on August 8, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Tail dragger or egg beater? I think Piper Cub when I see low and slow.

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Good luck with that.

Walter L. Newton on August 8, 2014 at 10:43 AM

There will come a super-human peace-bearer, first.
So, you have time.

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Tail dragger or egg beater? I think Piper Cub when I see low and slow.

Piper Cub.

lowandslow on August 8, 2014 at 10:58 AM

They tend to blow themselves up before exiting their 20s…

viking01 on August 8, 2014 at 11:00 AM

There will come a super-human peace-bearer, first.
So, you have time.

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Thank you for your unfounded concern.

Walter L. Newton on August 8, 2014 at 11:01 AM

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And in which way do you hold them accountable?

Walter L. Newton on August 8, 2014 at 10:45 AM

For engaging in violence with Israel.

beverlyfreaks on August 8, 2014 at 11:02 AM

An analysis by the New York Times looked at the names of 1,431 casualties and found that “the population most likely to be militants, men ages 20 to 29, is also the most overrepresented in the death toll.

And obviously it wasn’t nearly ENOUGH.

Meople on August 8, 2014 at 11:03 AM

. Perhaps the press should not have taken the United Nations and Hamas entirely at its word, considering their status as a U.S.-designated terrorist group and all.

POSTED AT 9:21 AM ON AUGUST 8, 2014 BY NOAH ROTHMAN

I hate to keep correcting you Noah, but this reads as both the UN and Hamas are a U.S. designated terrorist group. So far only Hamas has been labeled… However, I agree with the assumption. :-)

NiteOwl on August 8, 2014 at 11:04 AM

I hate to keep correcting you Noah, but this reads as both the UN and Hamas are a U.S. designated terrorist group. So far only Hamas has been labeled… However, I agree with the assumption. :-)

NiteOwl on August 8, 2014 at 11:04 AM

No correction necessary – I think the implication is right as is.

dentarthurdent on August 8, 2014 at 11:19 AM

For engaging in violence with Israel.

beverlyfreaks on August 8, 2014 at 11:02 AM

And yet you blame Israel for murdering the women and children that HAMAS strapped to their rocket launchers and buildings as human shields?

dentarthurdent on August 8, 2014 at 11:37 AM

And in which way do you hold them accountable?

Walter L. Newton on August 8, 2014 at 10:45 AM

For engaging in violence with Israel.

beverlyfreaks on August 8, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Beverly Dear, you are being very shallow. Yes, they started the violence with Israel. But that is not the whole story of accountablility. How about the fact that they use civilians to hide behind at every opportunity? How about many of the casualties are directly inflicted by Hamas because they can’t shoot straight? How about the fact that their military infrastructure is in schools, mosques, playgrounds,daycare centers, hospitals, apartment buildings, etc?

The depth of destruction in Gaza has been wrought by the evil of Hamas. I’m agast that the Gazans are so stupid and ignorant people that they allowed, elected, Hamas to lead them. I am thankful that Hamas is so stupid and ignorant that they cannot do widespread harm to Israel. But it is quite obvious that they deserve each other and will lead each other to their deaths.

NOMOBO on August 8, 2014 at 11:40 AM

No correction necessary – I think the implication is right as is.

dentarthurdent on August 8, 2014 at 11:19 AM

LOL, technically it is. Until the US boots the UN out they will be like my ex… we pay the bills and they screw us over every chance they get and act like they have done us a favor… Much like her, they ain’t worth it!

NiteOwl on August 8, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Time for a Hollywood roll call.

I want names.

Nana on August 8, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Save the whales! Collect the whole set!

Wino on August 8, 2014 at 9:35 AM

Reminds me of a bumper sticker.

Closet Optimist on August 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM

I thought the Dems (and therefore the media) were under the impression that 20-year-old minds weren’t ready for free speech, so Hamas is just doing them the same favor the Dems desire to – thinking for them.
Right?
The Dems must be soooooooo jealous.

DublOh7 on August 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Remember under Obama guidelines the cutoff for childhood is 26 so many of those apparent HAMAS dead still can be called children. /s

katiejane on August 8, 2014 at 2:13 PM

An interesting result of one such investigation was to determine that young men of fighting age were disproportionately represented among the Palestinian dead.

Lying about the truth is SOP for the Palestinians and for the anti-Israel LSM to parrot their propaganda. Just like when the news photos of the fake dead Palestinians were widely published a few years back. But even so, the Palestinians have been using this type of propaganda for over 50 years. It didn’t take long before they discovered the anti-Semitic western press was eager to help them spread their lies and deceit.

The Palestinians voted for Hamas knowing what they were. They have no one to blame but themselves.

http://www.danielpipes.org/7543/worlds-richest-terrorists
http://www.thetower.org/article/terrorists-kleptocrats-how-corruption-is-eating-the-palestinians-alive/

earlgrey on August 8, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Since the start of the conflict on August 6, according to UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR), 1,843 Palestinians had died in this conflict, many of whom were civilians. 66 Israelis lost their lives in the fighting, and nearly all of them have been soldiers.

The top level figure of 1,843 is bullshit. It’s not really a UN number, it’s the figure handed to the UN by Hamas’s “Ministry of Health” and accepted without question because otherwise you might get shot. Hamas has all the incentive in the World to lie and blow up that figure.

“At the same time, women and children under 15, the least likely to be legitimate targets, were the most underrepresented, making up 71% of the population and 33% of the known-age casualties.”

We have heard Hamas admit, in fact boast that hundreds of children died in the process of digging tunnels into Israel. Any names of children provided by Hamas’s “Ministry of Health” to the UN will include those children.

slickwillie2001 on August 8, 2014 at 3:28 PM

“Perhaps the press should not have taken the United Nations and Hamas entirely at its word, considering their status as a U.S.-designated terrorist group and all.”

The way that was written reads as though the United Nations is a U.S.-designated terrorist group, but then I thought, well that’s about right. If it isn’t, it should be.

Tom Servo on August 8, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Well, if you are hiding Hamas’s rockets in the schools you built an run; and if when you get caught, you hand those rockets back to Hamas, then you are at least an accessory to terrorism if not a terrorist yourself.

Seems to me that all UN installations (and personnel) should be considered military targets, and treated as such.

ReggieA on August 8, 2014 at 5:16 PM

“He said that part of the reason for the discrepancy between the figures was ‘when militants are brought to hospitals, they are brought in civilian clothing, obscuring terrorist affiliations,’” the BBC reported.

So, unlike MS-13 *children* who have gang tats, these *children* don’t have terrorist affiliation tats?

AppraisHer on August 9, 2014 at 1:55 AM