Quotes of the day

posted at 8:21 pm on August 8, 2014 by Allahpundit

In sending warplanes back into the skies over Iraq, President Obama on Thursday night found himself exactly where he did not want to be. Hoping to end the war in Iraq, Mr. Obama became the fourth president in a row to order military action in that graveyard of American ambition…

“This is a slippery slope if I ever saw one,” said Phyllis Bennis, a scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies, a research organization for peace activists. “Whatever else we may have learned from the president’s ‘dumb war,’ it should be eminently clear that we cannot bomb Islamist extremists into submission or disappearance. Every bomb recruits more supporters.”…

To some, this is a crisis Mr. Obama brought on himself by not trying harder to leave a residual force behind at the end of 2011 and neglecting to recognize the growing threat as the civil war in Syria next door increasingly spilled over into Iraq. Some argued that a virtual state under ISIS control posed more than the humanitarian threat Mr. Obama seemed to be focused on…

“This is about America’s national security,” said Ryan Crocker, who was ambassador to Iraq under Mr. Bush and to Afghanistan under Mr. Obama. “We don’t understand real evil, organized evil, very well. This is evil incarnate. People like Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,” the ISIS leader, “have been in a fight for a decade. They are messianic in their vision, and they are not going to stop.”

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ISIS are fast-track Nazis. No messing about with a few property restrictions and intermarriage laws as a little light warm-up: They’re only in the business of “final solutions”, and they start on Day One and don’t quit until the last Christian and Yazidi is dead or fled. As I’ve often remarked about today’s exhaustively cleansed Maghreb, Levant and Araby, Islam is king on a field of corpses. But pikers like the Muslim Brotherhood, the Baathists, the House of Saud take their time. ISIS are shooting for the Guinness Book of Records.

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For sheer, brutal efficiency, ISIL is several steps above Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram or even the Taliban. The closest analog I can think of is the Khmer Rouge, the Cambodian movement that killed more than two million people in the mid-1970s. There was a reminder of those horrors this week, when two top Khmer Rouge leaders were finally sentenced for their crimes. In their remorseless advance through eastern Syria and northern Iraq, ISIL’s fighters have demonstrated the same iron will and discipline that Khmer Rouge deployed against the Cambodian army and the Cambodian people. In territory Al-Baghdadi controls, he uses the same tactics of intimidation and public punishment that Pol Pot used to cow his fellow Cambodians.

In its appetite for genocide, ISIL seems to borrow from Adolf Hitler’s Nazis. It, too, has identified for extermination entire categories of people. Its fighters have systematically rounded up groups of “unbelievers”—and remember, that can mean anybody, including their fellow Sunnis—and slaughtered them in a manner Heinrich Himmler would have approved of. If the disturbing photographs (and be warned, they are very disturbing) in this Washington Post story were in grainy black-and-white, they could have come from a Nazi death camp. And online videos of these mass killings clearly show miss the zealous glee with which the executioners go about the work.

That, then, is the nature of the monster on which the US is finally turning its guns. It will not die easily.

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[T]he Islamic State has very simply put together a smarter offensive plan. Its push toward Irbil is believed by many not to be a move to take that city but to force the peshmerga to defend its capital, allowing the Islamic State to harden its grip on places nearby it’s more interesting in holding.

“No one is doing what ISIS is doing,” said Jessica Lewis, a research director at the Washington-based Institute for the Study of War, using an acronym for the Islamic State derived from its previous name, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. “ISIS thins out and strategically targets their adversaries. They are more thoughtful about their offense.”

In Sunni-dominated Iraqi cities like Mosul and Fallujah, the Islamic State successfully co-opted or intimidated residents, allowing its forces to move in and take over. In Kurdish-defended areas, it’s forced the peshmerga to defend multiple locations along the lengthy frontier.

The Kurds have made no secret of their limitations. They have repeatedly asked the United States for help.

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The enemy cannot be negotiated with. The Islamic State is rational by its own reasoning, but psychotic by standards of international law and justice. It wants to create a caliphate across the region and its fighters are not only prepared to die for it but would consider having a bomb dropped on them to be an honour. There is no Bashar al-Assad to contain with sanctions, no Pinochet to extradite and try. These people cannot be talked to, so military action is the only effective response. Frankly, they would respect that.

The objective is clear. Obama has stated that the action is limited to containing the spread of the Islamic State and ensuring that it does not drive into the Kurdish homeland or threaten Baghdad. This is not the beginning of one of those “nation building” exercises that rolls on for years. It is an immediate response to an immediate problem that does not bind the West into any further action. It also includes dropping food and water for refugees – something that, obviously, no one would oppose.

The West has a responsibility to do something. And so we return to the point above about the legacy of Iraq. Only a cruel amnesiac would look at what is happening to the Iraq’s religious minorities and say, “This has nothing to do with us.” It is everything to do with us.

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Even for the more dovish among us, it is hard to make a good moral case against intervening to protect the Yazidis. Who can say the cause is not just? Reports suggest this is a genocide. Everybody agrees that ISIS (or IS) are vile, and that we should not treat them as a nation state – whatever they may say they are. Finally, having spent over a decade bungling its foreign policy, America has a war worth fighting…

If I were an Iraqi, I’d hardly be comforted by that statement – given America’s record in Mesopotamia. But the US is chiefly responsible for the current state of Iraq – you broke it, you fix it etc – and Obama’s move last night recognised that. Plus, as Rod Dreher puts it, ISIS needs killin’.

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The Obama administration got some of its strongest endorsements from top Democrats — such as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid — and Democratic lawmakers who lead key national security committees in Congress, providing some cover from the criticism of anti-war liberals.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, who voted against authorizing the war in Iraq in 2002, said he backed Obama’s decision and said the reasons the president outlined for the airstrikes are “surely sufficient.”

And Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Intelligence Committee, said she “strongly” supports Obama’s authorization for airstrikes — warning that ISIL was a “terrorist army” that was quickly broadening its influence in the region.

“It takes an army to defeat an army, and I believe that we either confront ISIL now or we will be forced to deal with an even stronger enemy in the future,” she said. “Inaction is no longer an option.”

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Americans have so far been deeply ambivalent toward further military action in Iraq. A June Washington Post-ABC News poll found fewer than half, 45 percent, supported launching airstrikes against Sunni extremists in the country, and only 30 percent supported deploying ground troops. Separate surveys found majorities believing the U.S. does not have a responsibility to stop violence in the country…

Prevention of genocide and starvation is among the most potent arguments Obama could make for getting involved in Iraq. When a 2012 survey by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs asked Americans under what circumstances they would favor deploying U.S. troops, stopping a government from killing its own citizens topped the list with 70 percent in favor. In Iraq, Sunni extremist groups — not the government — are responsible for the killings, but the prevention of certain death is a great motivating factor nonetheless.

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Obama stood by and watched as more territory fell to these vermin. He watched as thousands upon thousands of innocents were raped, tortured, and butchered. He watched as cultural treasures were destroyed, as Christians were slaughtered, as a patently obvious humanitarian and security crisis was unfolding right before his eyes. Still, other than to send in a very limited number of American “advisers,” Obama did next to nothing.

And now he wants to rescue the thousands from their mountaintop, while protecting American personnel as well? Well, he’s right to do so now. But he should have done so at least eight weeks ago. The people are starving on the mountain because Barack Obama allowed their homes, their towns, to be destroyed. They are there because the man who tried last night to sound like Mr. Tough Guy dithered for so many weeks like Hamlet on an endless-replay loop.

What moral clarity, pray tell, exists now that didn’t exist in June? What military advantages do we have now that we didn’t have then? (Obviously, we actually have fewer now.) What diplomatic gains have we achieved?

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When Outnumbered ringleader Harris Faulkner noted that the president had focused on the little known Yazidis, who have not suffered as many casualties at the hands of ISIL as have Christians, Kirsten Powers, usually the most liberal of the panelists, tore the president a new one:

“He has not uttered the word ‘Christian,’ and now suddenly he throws it in with the Yazidis,” Powers said. “We’re not doing any airdrops to the Christians, who are refugees in the Kurdish region. [Virginia Congressman Frank] Wolf has taken to the floor, I think, seven days in a row now, pleading with the administration: Please help these people. They need humanitarian aid; they need drinking water. They have nothing. They’ve lost their homes; they’ve lost everything. The White House has done nothing; they’ve said nothing. And then the president goes on and goes into quite a lot of detail about the Yazidis, and never really gets into the specifics about Christians. I mean, it’s really unbelievable, and he has no right to invoke humantiarianism, because he is not a humanitarian president. A humanitarian president does not sit quietly by, while hundreds of thousands of Christians in Iraq [are uprooted or killed]– forget about the rest of the Middle East — and doesn’t say a word.”

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If the Islamic State were to take over Erbil, they would endanger Iraq’s oil production and, by extension, global access to oil. Prices would surge at a time when Europe, which buys oil from Iraq, has still not escaped the global recession. Oil prices have already risen in response to the Islamic State’s threat to Erbil, and on Thursday, American oil companies Chevron and Exxon Mobile began evacuating their personnel from Kurdistan. But oil traders are predicting that American intervention could halt the rise. “In essence we find U.S. air strikes more bearish than bullish for oil as the act finally draws a line for IS and reinforces both the stability in south Iraq and in Kurdistan,” Oliver Jakob, a Swiss oil analyst, told Reuters…

The United States should worry about the global oil supply. It is important for global economic and political stability. And having a significant chunk of it fall into the hands of a group like the Islamic State should certainly be a concern. But if Obama is worried about the world’s oil supply, then he should say so forthrightly and not leave himself in a position where he will be unable to justify or explain further intervention after the airdrops to the Yazidis are completed. And the administration should also have a plan for making sure that in sending out the Air Force, it will actually end a dire threat to Iraq’s oil production and put Iraq back on its feet. In Libya, the U.S. and its partners succeeded in getting rid of Muammar Qaddafi, but not in resolving the country’s humanitarian crisis or in keeping its oil flowing. Oil production has plummeted as Libya has been plunged into anarchy after Qaddafi’s fall. The challenge in Erbil and Iraq is even more daunting.

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We don’t have to wage a larger war in Iraq. Here are 10 reasons why we won’t.

1. ISIS will destroy itself. We don’t have to stamp out ISIS, because its growth is inherently limited. It picks too many fights and alienates too many people. It has already taken on the Iraqi army, the Kurds, the Turks, Iraqi Baathists, and many Iraqi Sunnis. Now it’s going head to head against Syria’s armed forces. As if that weren’t enough, ISIS went into Lebanon this week. ISIS also antagonizes civilians in its territory. People in Mosul are rebelling against its oppression. It won’t last…

3. We’re doing what only we can do. Lots of countries and Iraqi factions have a stake in stopping ISIS. But some tasks are beyond their power. Saving 40,000 people on a mountain seems to be one of those tasks. In his speech last night, Obama said the U.S. should step in when it has a mandate from the host government and “when we have the unique capabilities to help avert a massacre.” Unique is an important caveat. It means we’ll stick to doing what others can’t do…

8. Some force now means less force later. You can’t deliver humanitarian aid in a war zone without military support. The cargo planes we use to drop food and medicine fly low and slow. If one of them is shot down, imagine the escalation. To forestall that scenario, we’re sending limited air power up front, in the form of fighter escorts. Good move.

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While U.S. airstrikes and drops of supplies may prevent the terrorist forces from massacring the Yazidi sect or toppling the pro-Western regime in Kurdistan, Mr. Obama lacks a plausible plan for addressing the larger threat posed by the Islamic State. In recent weeks, a host of senior U.S. officials have described the danger in hair-curling terms: The Islamic State forces, which have captured large numbers of U.S.-supplied heavy weapons, threaten not only the Iraqi and Kurdish governments, but also Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan. With hundreds of Western recruits, they have the ambition and capability to launch attacks against targets in Europe and the United States.

Yet by the White House’s own account, the measures ordered by Mr. Obama are not intended to defeat the Islamic State or even to stop its bloody advances in most of the region…

It’s past time for Mr. Obama to set aside a policy that is both minimalist and unrealistic. The United States should offer sustained military support to friendly forces that fight the Islamic State, beginning with the Kurds and including moderate Syrian rebels and Iraqi Sunni tribesmen.

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A former Special Forces officer and Iraq veteran described how the troops currently on the ground, some 800 elite special operations soldiers, could impact the battle: “If SOF [special operations forces] advisors moved to the front, they would be able to help organize and plan the maneuver of Peshmerga, provide up-to-the-minute intelligence to protect line units, and give greater speed and fidelity to close air support. It would also give a tremendous morale boost to Peshmerga units under fire.”

That could be a great boon to the Peshmerga, but not without costs. Moving U.S. special operations forces onto the battlefield, even as advisors, “greatly raises the profile of American involvement and will eventually lead to highly visible American casualties,” according to the Special Forces veteran.

President Obama made his political career, in part, on his opposition to the Iraq war. Those casualties are something he is desperately trying to avoid. But the situation on the ground in Iraq may leave him no choice.

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During a conference call with a National Security Council expert yesterday, a reporter asked why this mission to protect the Kurds and Yazidis, and the Americans in Erbil, was different from the chaos in Libya, where we evacuated our embassy staff from Tripoli. The answer should be obvious: the chaos in Libya is a civil war among competing tribes. It is part of a regional struggle to redraw the straight lines on the maps that were drawn by Europeans 100 years ago. It will be a bloody fight for a generation and, in most cases, will be peripheral to our national interests. But when a terrorist group establishes an actual state, as seems to be the case with ISIS in Iraq and Syria, it is an entirely different story. The world cannot tolerate a safe haven from which attacks can be launched against religious minorities, as is now happening, or against other countries (including the US)–which is the stated intent of the ISIS leadership. That is why we took action against the Taliban government in Afghanistan 13 years ago. The urgency is no less now–and, indeed, is perhaps greater, given the honed strength of this extremely well-armed and well-funded terrorist organization.

There has been, and probably will be, endless debate about who “lost” Iraq. We don’t have the luxury of wasting time or political energy on that now. What’s needed is a clear and united sense of purpose…as clear and united as it was on September 12, 2001. Our war against Al Qaeda-style extremism isn’t over; it may have only just begun.

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What a mess everything is.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 8:23 PM

God help us.
Hi, COL
Hottest day of this summer, today. 104.
Only about the 7th 100F day, tho, so this summer’s been great.

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 8:26 PM

It hasn’t been as hot here either. The only thing that bothers me is it looks like a cooler pattern is setting up and winter will be horrible.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 8:27 PM

What I don’t understand is why the men in the pit willingly walked there. You KNOW they are ISIS and what they will do to you – so you use your AK-47 and fight to the death.
Humane treatment of captives leads to capitulation as opposed to slaughtering them, which normally hardens the resolve of those under siege.

I just don’t get it. There’s no way I’m kneeling in front of that pit.

8 weight on August 8, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Ratso!

OmahaConservative on August 8, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Calling all Wenches, Rude Buffoons, loons and trolls…

OmahaConservative on August 8, 2014 at 8:30 PM

What a mess everything is.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 8:23 PM

It sure is…

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Hey darlin’
Canned anythink lately?

OmahaConservative on August 8, 2014 at 8:32 PM

I think today I’ll be a loon.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 8:32 PM

“Speak softly and carry a big stick” is all about leadership, and taking care of things early to avoid disasters later on. Obama doesn’t have a clue about either one.

LashRambo on August 8, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Hey darlin’
Canned anythink lately?

OmahaConservative on August 8, 2014 at 8:32 PM

*smooch*
As a matter of fact, yes !!
Figured that was all out of the picture until we all cooled down, say, November ..but ! …
There was a convergence of unprecedented chicken breasts sales AND unprecedented 75F,
so I put up 20 pints, last week !!

How y’all doon’ ??

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 8:37 PM

I’m sure the people who were supposed to do that sort of thing tried to brief Obungle on the various goings on around the world. He just didn’t feel like paying attention.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Barndoor. Horse. Long gone.

RBMN on August 8, 2014 at 8:38 PM

No Joke: White House Says Obama Didn’t Bomb Syria Because Assad Didn’t Ask Him To…

Which begs the obvious follow-up question: Why would Assad ask the United States to bomb him?

You see, Obama didn’t really draw a red line about Assad using chemical weapons. He actually drew one against ISIS. When he said that ‘Assad must go,’ it was a speak-o. He really meant that al-Baghdadi must go. And, he would have killed the sonofab1tch if only the peace-loving, but incompetent eunuch, Assad, had asked him to drop some mega-tonnes on ISIS.

Since Assad didn’t ask Obama to bomb Syria, what is happening in Iraq is the former’s fault.

New from the Obama Common Core AP History book:

‘The United States bombed Nazi Germany because Adolf Hitler asked us to and said ‘Please, please, please, with sugar on top…and chocolate sprinkles…and marshmallows…and pistachios…and Oreo crumbles…and chocolate chunks…and Reese’s Pieces…and walnuts…and M&Ms…and chocolate whipped cream…and Irish coffee-flavoured whipped
cream…and a cherry…no, make that three cherries!’

Coming to a public school classroom near you!

Resist We Much on August 8, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Bishop!!!!

KCB on August 8, 2014 at 8:39 PM

“we cannot bomb Islamist extremists into submission or disappearance. Every bomb recruits more supporters.”…

Baloney.

It worked in Iraq and if we had just kept a small force their we wouldn’t be dealing with this. It worked in Afghanistan, and is working even if we have severely limited the extent of our operations. The only thing these religious nutcases respect is force actually. When force is withdrawn and there is a vacuum, look what’s happened throughout Syria and Iraq, and the next stop is the rest of the world. Bombs away.

anotherJoe on August 8, 2014 at 8:39 PM

“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a JV team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant. I think there is a distinction between the capacity and reach of a bin Laden and a network that is actively planning major terrorist plots against the homeland versus jihadists who are engaged in various local power struggles and disputes, often sectarian.”

– Barack Obama on ISIS

It turns out that there are quite a few Kobe Bryants on the JV team in Iraq.

Resist We Much on August 8, 2014 at 8:40 PM

How y’all doon’ ??

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Kewl…

OmahaConservative on August 8, 2014 at 8:42 PM

So, “the West” has an obligation here. How large is the Obama coalition in the effort to turn back ISIS?

BKeyser on August 8, 2014 at 8:43 PM

“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a JV team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant. I think there is a distinction between the capacity and reach of a bin Laden and a network that is actively planning major terrorist plots against the homeland versus jihadists who are engaged in various local power struggles and disputes, often sectarian.”

– Barack Obama on ISIS

It turns out that there are quite a few Kobe Bryants on the JV team in Iraq.

Resist We Much on August 8, 2014 at 8:40 PM

How can any person on the planet think this ass clown is smart? And hi Sophie!

KCB on August 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM

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Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 8:45 PM

How large is the Obama coalition in the effort to turn back ISIS?
BKeyser on August 8, 2014 at 8:43 PM

He’s an army of one…

One iPhone; one pen…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Is obaka still taking his 2 week vacay?

ladyingray on August 8, 2014 at 8:47 PM

How large is the Obama coalition in the effort to turn back ISIS?
BKeyser on August 8, 2014 at 8:43 PM

He doesn’t do coalitions.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Did anyone else enjoy the irony of F18′s launching off the carrier USS George Bush?

wolly4321 on August 8, 2014 at 8:48 PM

I just don’t get it. There’s no way I’m kneeling in front of that pit.

8 weight on August 8, 2014 at 8:29 PM

I don’t know. I’ve never been in that situation. I have heard that people will do whatever it takes to live a while longer thinking they will get a reprieve.

cozmo on August 8, 2014 at 8:49 PM

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Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Did anyone else enjoy the irony of F18′s launching off the carrier USS George Bush?

wolly4321 on August 8, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Truly.
Been waiting, since I learned it was nearby.

pambi on August 8, 2014 at 8:51 PM

I just don’t get it. There’s no way I’m kneeling in front of that pit.
8 weight on August 8, 2014 at 8:29 PM

I don’t know. I’ve never been in that situation. I have heard that people will do whatever it takes to live a while longer thinking they will get a reprieve.
cozmo on August 8, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Or if’n they think there’s a snowball’s chance in Hades that their loved ones will be spared…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 8:52 PM

8 weight on August 8, 2014 at 8:29 PM

They have not killed your family yet. You walk to the pit hoping they will not, knowing they will, but you hold out for hope. Truth is you hope they will not rape your wife and kids before they kill them. They usually do.

You are thinking from a point of view that does not exist in their world.

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 8:53 PM

More idiocy…

Ron Paul warned us about this.
Blame Bush.
Saddam Hussein would have taken care of ISIS in less than 24 hours.
This part of the world is best ruled by a dictator.

weedisgood on August 8, 2014 at 3:26 PM

‘Cuz, um, like, ya know, the dictator, Bashir al-Assad, was able to take care of ISIS in Syria in less than 24 hours with chemical weapons and prevent them from moving into Iraq.

Oh wait…

Resist We Much on August 8, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Did anyone else enjoy the irony of F18′s launching off the carrier USS George Bush?
wolly4321 on August 8, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Will that still make it Bush’s fault?

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 8:53 PM

How can any person on the planet think this ass clown is smart? And hi Sophie!

KCB on August 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Beats me.

**Hiya, Ken! Waving**

Resist We Much on August 8, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Quick Pop in Peeps,..Grandson Duty till tommorrow,

this is in my Province, around 600 miles away:

And Hopey The Destroyer of Worlds,..we (H/A),
knew of this impending Failure,…since 07!

Night Everyone:)

Ebola outbreak 2014
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canopfor on August 8, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Is obaka still taking his 2 week vacay?
ladyingray on August 8, 2014 at 8:47 PM

There’s talk it’s going to be a *ahem!* working vacay because he has to come back to DC for like three days…

Life’s rough…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 8:55 PM

canopfor on August 8, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Hi, Canopfor!

Niters and sleep well, Canopfor!

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 8:56 PM

I see a BIG war coming.The Jihadi’s are here.They own most of the corner stores.We are fighting our own money.

docflash on August 8, 2014 at 8:57 PM

“we cannot bomb Islamist extremists into submission or disappearance. Every bomb recruits more supporters.”…

Statements like this just prove that the Left is either willfully blind or completely delusional in their ignorance or both.

All of them believe that the rise of terrorism has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with poverty. They even try to make OBL out as a pauper to justify his actions.

It really is insane and, unfortunately for many of these ‘tards, they won’t figure it out until it is too late.

Resist We Much on August 8, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Hi Newtie. I saw last night you were afraid to post because you thought everyone was smarter and wittier than you. I don’t know why you would think that when you are probably at the top of the wit list. I’m a boring person but it doesn’t stop me from participating.I have no shame.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Evening all.

Thanks Newtie :) I’ll have to turn that panel on :)

CoffeeLover on August 8, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Phyllis Bennis, a scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies, a research organization for peace activists. “Whatever else we may have learned from the president’s ‘dumb war,’ it should be eminently clear that we cannot bomb Islamist extremists into submission or disappearance. Every bomb recruits more supporters.”…

That is half our problem; fruits like you on one side and the fact that we haven’t even really tried to bomb the living shit out of them.

arnold ziffel on August 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM

anotherJoe on August 8, 2014 at 8:39 PM

If we ever get to have a true, unbiased look at the decisions leading up to our invasion of Iraq, I have always thought that somewhere in the strategy was this simple idea; defeat Saddam, and his psychopath sons, and leave enough forces behind, in a stabilized Iraq, to provide a containment mechanism, and a rapid reaction force, (should it be needed) directed toward Iran.

Now, because we left before we even got the job done, and watched, in impotent silence as ISIS came to the fore, this is what we get. We’ll end up with another 20 years of no-fly zones, while people get slaughtered.

massrighty on August 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 8:59 PM

COL I felt the same way when I first started here. :)

CoffeeLover on August 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Newtie, I’ll have an iced coffee with a jigger of Bailey’s, please.

“Whatever else we may have learned from the president’s ‘dumb war,’ it should be eminently clear that we cannot bomb Islamist extremists into submission or disappearance. Every bomb recruits more supporters.”…

Hell, I just call that a target-rich environment.

partsnlabor on August 8, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Hi Newtie. I saw last night you were afraid to post because you thought everyone was smarter and wittier than you. I don’t know why you would think that when you are probably at the top of the wit list. I’m a boring person but it doesn’t stop me from participating.I have no shame.
crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 8:59 PM

(((HUGS))) :-D

COL, I WUVS you!!

I lurked off and on and y’all were so quick, sardonic, spot on and esoteric, let’s just say I had my doubts that I would fit in…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:03 PM

We should deploy Andrew WK to Northern Iraq.

He’d set them straight. Teach them up some tolerance, yo.

wolly4321 on August 8, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:03 PM

LOL, but look at you now :)

CoffeeLover on August 8, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Evening all.
Thanks Newtie :) I’ll have to turn that panel on :)
CoffeeLover on August 8, 2014 at 8:59 PM

(((HUGS)))

Sorry I missed you earlier, CL…Ben and Ibu have done a partial job… :-(

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:04 PM

COL I felt the same way when I first started here. :)

CoffeeLover on August 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM

You people on here are all extraordinarily intelligent much more than I am. The lefty elitists like to portray conservatives as knuckle dragging hillbillies. I wonder if they ever tune in here.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Statements like this just prove that the Left is either willfully blind or completely delusional in their ignorance or both.

All of them believe that the rise of terrorism has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with poverty. They even try to make OBL out as a pauper to justify his actions.

It really is insane and, unfortunately for many of these ‘tards, they won’t figure it out until it is too late.

Resist We Much on August 8, 2014 at 8:58 PM

I was in London during “The Troubles” and had family doing their time in the ‘berry. Thank you for getting it. I have said the same thing here and have been laughed at. Well, when I drop my pants like cozmo…I break out laughing.

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Calling Phyllis Bennis a scholar is the height of ludicrousness.

Mark Steyn paints a picture of an upside-down Western/US national-security policy:
http://www.steynonline.com/6506/you-want-nazis

onlineanalyst on August 8, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Newtie, I’ll have an iced coffee with a jigger of Bailey’s, please.

partsnlabor on August 8, 2014 at 9:02 PM

You got it, PnL!

[sends PnL an Iced Coffee with a jigger of Bailey's suitably adjusted to fit in a Brand-Spankin'-New Double Whatchudrinkin' glass...sends out a round of Whatchudrinkin's...usual caveats apply...enters under "Friday Night Mixer"...]

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:07 PM

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 9:06 PM

You really need to get over that.

cozmo on August 8, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Watching Obama twisting himself into knots in order to explain his reasoning in Iraq, I’m struck with how much simpler his life would be if his PR people didn’t insist on a touchdown dance on issues when he’s still on his own forty yard line. Same thing with Obamacare. Same thing with Libya. And the economy. They really love those premature emissions.:)

butch on August 8, 2014 at 9:08 PM

I lurked off and on and y’all were so quick, sardonic, spot on and esoteric, let’s just say I had my doubts that I would fit in…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Yet, all those adjectives also describe you; you fit in just fine.

massrighty on August 8, 2014 at 9:08 PM

I lurked off and on and y’all were so quick, sardonic, spot on and esoteric, let’s just say I had my doubts that I would fit in…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:03 PM

I don’t think I was on when you started. I am not quick witted. My mother used to say I was very English because I didn’t catch on to things right away. I don’t know what it has to do with English. Most seem witty to me. I just spend a lot of time inside my head.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Oops! I should have read all of the cited quotations before posting the Steyn link.

onlineanalyst on August 8, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:04 PM

No problem. Went on a Target run with Mel. LOL

Sorry your head is not completely cleared…dang sinus

CoffeeLover on August 8, 2014 at 9:09 PM

You really need to get over that.

cozmo on August 8, 2014 at 9:08 PM

I can barely stay up after 2000 and good to see you. How you been?

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 9:10 PM

We should deploy Andrew WK to Northern Iraq.

He’d set them straight. Teach them up some tolerance, yo.

wolly4321 on August 8, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Maybe after infecting him with Ebola first …

ShainS on August 8, 2014 at 9:11 PM

They really love those premature emissions.:)

butch on August 8, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Careful there, butch. ;^)

partsnlabor on August 8, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Rand Paul seems to keeping very quiet about these air strikes. Has he commented at all?

Mark1971 on August 8, 2014 at 9:11 PM

You are thinking from a point of view that does not exist in their world.

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 8:53 PM

By that statement do you mean that they do not think independently? They act like lambs willingly lead to slaughter.
I reconciled giving up my life for my family & country years ago when I raised my right hand and took the oath in the military.
No way I’m going to that pit, I’m getting carried off on my shield.
May God bless those poor people and may God miraculously give our President the courage and wisdom to face up to these animals and do the right thing.

8 weight on August 8, 2014 at 9:11 PM

I don’t think I was on when you started. I am not quick witted. My mother used to say I was very English because I didn’t catch on to things right away. I don’t know what it has to do with English. Most seem witty to me. I just spend a lot of time inside my head.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Bah, women. You ain’t gots no prostate cause I now spend all me’s time in the head. Silly Willie.

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Sorry your head is not completely cleared…dang sinus
CoffeeLover on August 8, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Thank you, CL! At least I can lean forward now without that Gawd awful pounding…and my hair growth rate isn’t bothering me like it did…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Evening HA
So, the U.S. mission currently underway has no name.
Wonder if bams thinks if it’s not named, it’s not happening?
That if it’s not named, bams can’t claim it?
If bams doesn’t name it and it’s a bust, no one will remember it because there’s no name?

31giddyup on August 8, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Y’all are so sweet! I’m truly humbled.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Silver Convention – Fly Robin Fly

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 8:59 PM

When that song came out I had a gf named “Robin”. The other thing the video made me remember is how, back then, we often didn’t really know what most of the Top 40 artists looked like unless we saw them on TV or attended a concert. This is the first time I’ve seen the singers of this song!

whatcat on August 8, 2014 at 9:14 PM

If bams doesn’t name it and it’s a bust, no one will remember it because there’s no name?

31giddyup on August 8, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Uh, yeah.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 9:15 PM

arnold ziffel on August 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Well said, Arnold. Even ‘Desert Storm’ was just a fireworks display compared to the way we could light up that region of the world… and never have to use a single nuke to do it, either.

thatsafactjack on August 8, 2014 at 9:15 PM

CL, Is that Snerdley??

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:15 PM

How you been?

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Hot, tired and outnumbered.

other than that, I’m good. Looking down at the dirt instead of up at it.

cozmo on August 8, 2014 at 9:15 PM

This is the first time I’ve seen the singers of this song!
whatcat on August 8, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Some sounded SO dreamy…and then you saw the album cover… o_O

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:16 PM

CL, Is that Snerdley??
Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:15 PM

It IS! It IS Snerdley!

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Yes it is!

CoffeeLover on August 8, 2014 at 9:17 PM

I see a BIG war coming.The Jihadi’s are here.They own most of the corner stores.We are fighting our own money.

docflash on August 8, 2014 at 8:57 PM

This will be a religious war. I’m uncomfortable with that.

butch on August 8, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Quin Hillyer: Obysmal dithered “like Hamlet on an endless replay loop”
Perfect analogy.
And Obysmal will go with half-measures if the polls swing in a direction that threatens his ego.

onlineanalyst on August 8, 2014 at 9:18 PM

I just spend a lot of time inside my head.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Me too. One of the best playgrounds I have.

whatcat on August 8, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Well, the scenery sure makes the tune more tolerable.

cozmo on August 8, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Hot, tired and outnumbered.
other than that, I’m good. Looking down at the dirt instead of up at it.
cozmo on August 8, 2014 at 9:15 PM

That reminds me, Cozmo…you have a clean, pressed pair of britches in Sparkie’s Storage Room, just in case… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:18 PM

“I say to America that the Islamic Caliphate has been established,” Abu Mosa, a spokesman for the terror group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/08/isis-threatens-america-we-will-raise-the-flag-of-allah-in-the-white-house/#ixzz39qyBzahn

I sure wish these articles would tell us what country Abu Mosa is from. If it is Saudi Arabia as I suspect, then we oughta be telling them they’d better get their dogs back on their leash or else.

8 weight on August 8, 2014 at 9:18 PM

I see a BIG war coming.The Jihadi’s are here.They own most of the corner stores.We are fighting our own money.

docflash on August 8, 2014 at 8:57 PM

I don’t believe those guys are dangerous but I do think they will look the other way.

crankyoldlady on August 8, 2014 at 9:19 PM

As I’ve often remarked about today’s exhaustively cleansed Maghreb, Levant and Araby, Islam is king on a field of corpses. But pikers like the Muslim Brotherhood, the Baathists, the House of Saud take their time. ISIS are shooting for the Guinness Book of Records.

Well good for this person whoever he is. He said Islam, not the idiotic PC Islam excusing mind numbingly stupid and mendacious “Islamism”.

VorDaj on August 8, 2014 at 9:19 PM

This will be a religious war. I’m uncomfortable with that.
butch on August 8, 2014 at 9:17 PM

I’m more inclined to believe THEY will think this will be a religious war, but it’s going to be an ideological war.

Either way you look at it, it will STILL be Us v Them, and I hope to God WE win.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:20 PM

It’s WAR. No one is supposed to be comfortable with it.

thatsafactjack on August 8, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Some sounded SO dreamy…and then you saw the album cover… o_O

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Some were wise and used a concept art cover instead a pic, heh.

whatcat on August 8, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Sparky, hmmm…Keep em. If they were in Axe’s, I would say burn them. He dreams of hanging out with some limey lawyer.

cozmo on August 8, 2014 at 9:21 PM

damned funny how dems support fighting in iraq now isn’t it….

dmacleo on August 8, 2014 at 9:22 PM

8 weight on August 8, 2014 at 9:11 PM

I really hate being serious and now wish I would have not commented. First, thanks for you service and I did not mean to offend. Second, the only chance for their family to live was to willing walk to the pit. I know I make no sense, but it is impossible for folks from the west to understand the true meaning of Insha’Allah.

Baa Aare zooyeh Mo-va-fa-ghiyat.

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 9:22 PM

He said Islam, not the idiotic PC Islam excusing mind numbingly stupid and mendacious “Islamism”.
VorDaj on August 8, 2014 at 9:19 PM

And this is why I have Merriam-Webster’s dictionary bookmarked… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Evening all.

wifarmboy on August 8, 2014 at 9:23 PM

As I’ve often remarked about today’s exhaustively cleansed Maghreb, Levant and Araby, Islam is king on a field of corpses. But pikers like the Muslim Brotherhood, the Baathists, the House of Saud take their time. ISIS are shooting for the Guinness Book of Records.

Well good for this person whoever he is. He said Islam, not the idiotic PC Islam excusing mind numbingly stupid and mendacious “Islamism”.

VorDaj on August 8, 2014 at 9:19 PM

I kind of liked that subtle QOTD.

arnold ziffel on August 8, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Sparky, hmmm…Keep em. If they were in Axe’s, I would say burn them. He dreams of hanging out with some limey lawyer.
cozmo on August 8, 2014 at 9:21 PM

FWIW, there’s also an assortment of tartans and the necessary accoutrements available, if’n that would make you more comfortable ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Oh what a disgrace if such a despised and base cult, which worships a misogynist pedophile demon should be allowed to brutally murder and mutilate and rape and subjugate Christian men, women and children! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm us if we do not promptly and fully stand with Christians who are being murdered and defiled by Muslims for their Christian faith! Let those who have been accustomed unjustly to wage private warfare against other of the faithful now all unite and go against the Mohammedans in a Holy Crusade and end with total victory this war against monstrous evil which should have been completed long ago.

Let those who for too long a time have been dhimmis, now become knights. Let those who have been fighting in service of Mohammedans against their own brothers and sisters now fight in a proper way against all the followers and allies and enablers of the misogynist pedophile demon. Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul in vain attempt to win the small minds and dark hearts of the Mohammedans now redeem themselves and labor for glorious honor against them.

Behold! On the one side will be the completely destroyed Mohammedans and their allies and servants, on the other the fierce and righteous protectors of humanity. On the one side will be the destroyed enemies of the Lord, on the other, his friends who will shout at the Mohammedans and their Christian hating misanthrope allies as they destroy them all, “Christus vincit! Christus vincit! Christus vincit! Deus vult! Deus vult! Deus vult!”

RasThavas on August 8, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Well said, Arnold. Even ‘Desert Storm’ was just a fireworks display compared to the way we could light up that region of the world… and never have to use a single nuke to do it, either.

thatsafactjack on August 8, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Was going to have a nice conversation with cozmo…then you showed up. Who is cozmo? Chuckle. Naw, coz is cool.

HonestLib on August 8, 2014 at 9:25 PM

And here we have an example of Obysmal’s absurd rhetoric: Host governments do not give us a “mandate” to act, as the dope phrases his gymnastic blather.

onlineanalyst on August 8, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Are there new rules?

cozmo on August 8, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Evening all.
wifarmboy on August 8, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Evenin’, WI!

[sends out a round of Whatchudrinkin's and a Triple Whatheshavin' for Alien's Little Friend...enters under "Friday Night Debate"...]

Newtie and the Beauty on August 8, 2014 at 9:26 PM

We won’t be fighting religion, we will be fighting monsters who use religion to justify their horrific acts and barbaric beliefs.
GUNS FREE! LIGHT ‘EM UP!

partsnlabor on August 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM

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