Will the West stand by and watch the slaughter of Yazidis, and cleansing of Christians, in Iraq?

posted at 10:01 am on August 7, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Remember the R2P Doctrine? The Obama administration, led by Samantha Power, justified Western intervention in Libya against Moammar Qaddafi in 2011 because of the global “responsibility to protect” civilians threatened by Qaddafi’s forces in Benghazi. As J. E. Dyer wrote in 2011, “by the R2P formulation, endangered civilian populations … trump sovereignty. … According to this text, it is indeed possible to bomb another country for three months without being in “hostilities.”” We deliberately decapitated the Qaddafi regime and turned Libya into the Somalia of the Mediterranean based on the supposed threat to civilians in eastern Libya, which in retrospect looks more like a threat to the same terrorist networks that now operate with impunity there.

What about where a terrorist state actually threatens genocide and ethnic cleansing? Where is R2P when you need it? Jacob Siegel asks that question in The Daily Beast about the shameful inaction of the West as tens of thousands of Yazidis starve and thirst to death while waiting for a rescue:

One week is as long as the average person can survive without water. In extreme temperatures, it may be less. So time is running out for the 10,000 to 40,000 Iraqis, mostly religious minorities, who have been trapped for days in barren mountains without food or water. They face a choice: return to their towns captured by ISIS forces and risk being slaughtered or stay in the mountains and slowly die of thirst.

The slow-motion massacre of the Yazidis, members of a small, ancient religious community who escaped to the mountains along with other groups after ISIS overran their towns, began with a military defeat for the Kurds, one of the closest U.S. allies in the region. The Kurds’ losses, and the subsequent plight of the Yazidis, call into question what role, if any, America is willing to play in Iraq. …

U.S. attention, of course, is stretched thin with Gaza and Ukraine. But the near silence on Iraq is hard to square with the severity of the crisis and the initial decision to send military forces there.

If the American public and political class won’t bear any U.S. military involvement in Iraq, why were troops dispatched to the country? And if ISIS overrunning the Kurds, taking control of key infrastructure, and carrying out a deliberate slaughter of the Yazidis isn’t enough to get the U.S. forces involved, is there anything that would force a U.S. military response?

Siegel notes that direct aid to the Kurds, who have the best angle for a response, is diplomatically difficult since we do not recognize Kurdish independence. But did we respect the diplomatic niceties in Libya? The point of R2P, at least as formulated by Power and Obama, was that it bypassed those relationships and international constraints, especially when a genocide is about to take place. That condition was arguable in Libya, but it certainly isn’t with ISIS in Iraq. And it’s not just the Yazidis, either:

Jihadists have taken over Iraq‘s largest Christian town, Qaraqosh, and the surrounding areas sending tens of thousands of residents fleeing towards autonomous Kurdistan, according to officials and witnesses.

Islamic State (Isis) militants moved in overnight after the withdrawal of Kurdish peshmerga troops, who are stretched thin across several fronts in Iraq, residents said.

“I now know that the towns of Qaraqosh, Tal Kayf, Bartella and Karamlesh have been emptied of their original population and are now under the control of the militants,” Joseph Thomas, the Chaldean archbishop of Kirkuk and Sulaimaniyah, told AFP.

Qaraqosh is an entirely Christian town that lies between Mosul, the jihadists’ main hub in Iraq, and Arbil, the Kurdish region’s capital. It usually has a population of around 50,000.

“It’s a catastrophe, a tragic situation. We call on the UN security council to immediately intervene. Tens of thousands of terrified people are being displaced as we speak, it cannot be described,” the archbishop said.

Tal Kayf, home to a significant Christian community as well as members of the Shabak Shia minority, also emptied overnight.

ISIS has conducted ethnic/religious cleansing on a massive scale for months, and is about to commit pure genocide on Mount Sinjar. The Telegraph’s Dan Hodges calls it the Rwanda of our time:

Mount Sinjar is not downtown Baghdad. Or even downtown Gaza. Here is an instance – a very rare instance – where the good guys and the bad guys are very clearly defined. …

We can start to airdrop emergency aid. We can provide arms to the Yazidi and their defenders. We can provide air support to drive Isis form the immediate area. We could, heaven forbid, provide ground troops to construct an impromptu safe haven.

All of those things are in our power. But we chose not to do them. Why? Because we are paralysed by our perverse new morality. “We killed innocent people in Iraq,” we say to ourselves, “so to atone we must stand back and let innocent people get killed in Iraq.”

For once, just for once, can we actually do something? The UN, Nato, the US and the UK. It doesn’t really matter whose umbrella its under. For once let’s demonstrate that the billions of pounds we spend on the most powerful military forces in human history can actually stand up to a bunch of petty hoodlums with machetes, or AK47s, or Toyota 4x4s.

Just this once let’s not wait. For the book. And then the film. And then the hand-wringing and empty pledges that “we will ensure this never happens again”.

Just this once let’s actually stop them being killed with their families.

Paul Mirengoff wrote yesterday about the hypocrisy and cowardice of the Obama administration on R2P:

In my opinion, the U.S. is responsible for the plight of these families for two reasons. First, if the President Obama had not pulled out of Iraq, it’s unlikely that ISIS would ever have reached the point where it can commit atrocities against this population. Second, if Obama had provided military supplies to the Kurds of northern Iraq, they probably would have been able to defend Sinjar — a town they reportedly abandoned because they ran out of ammunition.

ISIS is, of course, the sworn enemy of the United States. Even Eric Holder finds it frightening. Thus, in protecting the Yazidis, we would also be advancing our interest in combatting some of the world’s worst, most threatening terrorists.

But for Team Obama, R2P is just a catch phrase. It sounds good and is easy to type, but that’s about it. So far, the Yazidis rate a shout out from Jen Psaki — who intones “focusing on towns and villages populated by vulnerable minorities, demonstrates once again that this terrorist organization is a dire threat to all Iraqis, the entire region and the international community” — and nothing more.

As for fighting ISIS, or even providing substantial assistance that would enable others to fight these terrorists, Obama lacks the stomach for it.

Maybe they can come up with a hashtag. It’s very revealing that R2P was good enough to knock out a dictator who was at least cooperating with the West on terrorism, but somehow inapplicable when dealing with the terrorists themselves.

Update (AP): Difficult to watch.

Update (Ed): Max Boot also wonders what happened to R2P:

Susan Rice, now the national security adviser, then the UN ambassador, gave an impassioned address in 2009 in which she said: “The Responsibility to Protect—or, as it has come to be known, R2P—represents an important step forward in the long historical struggle to save lives and guard the wellbeing of people endangered by conflict.” This principle formed an important justification for the U.S. intervention along with NATO allies in Libya in 2011 to prevent Muammar Gaddafi from slaughtering opponents of his regime. In 2012 Obama even created an Atrocities Prevention Board to carry out this humanitarian doctrine.

But in practice R2P has been MIA in this White House. Since 2011 more than 170,000 people have been killed in Syria–one ongoing atrocity after another–and the result has been a shrug from the White House which seems more concerned with stopping Israel’s war against Hamas terrorists. Now there is an even more urgent example of precisely the kind of atrocity that should motivate the U.S. and other powers into action. I am referring to the plight of the Yazidis–members of a small religious minority rooted in Zoroastrianism–who have been in the gunsights of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria as its black-clad fighters have rolled over northern Iraq. …

The president’s chief foreign policy guru Ben Rhodes grandly proclaims that Obama is busy positioning “the U.S. to lead for the next 10, 20 or 30 years.” His gaze firmly fixed decades in the future, Obama seems to be missing the preventable atrocities–which not only violate the R2P doctrine but also threaten vital American national security interests–that are occurring in the here and now.

Fortunately, the Kurds seem to be relieving the remaining Yazidis:

Hopefully they can get them all to the safety of what clearly should be an independent Kurdistan, in the absence of Western engagement.


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I’d like to know if ISIS was originally armed by Obama shipping the weapons out of Libya and through Turkey.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Oh, I can guarantee you that. Obama and his gun running is what gave ISIS the necessary hardware to start their Islamic crusade.

I can also guarantee that’s part of why he won’t bomb the $h!t out of them. He’d be bombing his own brothers and weapons.

Wait until someone tries sending humanitarian flights in there to help Christians and they’re shot out of the sky by U.S. Stinger Missiles that ISIS now has courtesy of Obama, VJAR and Hildebeast.

Meople on August 7, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Bmore

Schadenfreude on August 7, 2014 at 1:40 PM

There’s no opportunity for the left to bash Jews, so nothing will be done and no attention will be paid.

GEAH on August 7, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Schadenfreude on August 7, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Hello my friend. Wanting to get caught up on all the Tom foolery that took place while I was out. Perhaps this evening at QOTD. If I can stay awake. ; )

Bmore on August 7, 2014 at 1:46 PM

P.S. You were the first person I said hi to on my return yesterday. ; )

Bmore on August 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Meanwhile…

“Saudi Arabia Gives Lebanon $1 Billion to Fight ISIS Terrorists”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/saudi-arabia-gives-lebanon-1-billion-to-fight-isis-terrorists/

workingclass artist on August 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM

No. Not mocking religion. Why couldn’t they have banded together to gather supplies and hire someone to air drop the supplies? The Red Cross is doing air drops in Sudan. I’m sure they’ve hired people for that.
jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 12:51 PM

They do. Samaritans Purse and UMCOR are just two I am personally involved with. Unfortunately it also takes armed resources, unless you’re OK with churches flying planes with missiles and guns.

Nutstuyu on August 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM

The left is aligned with Islam because it helps both to harass the US and Israel, and oppress Christians and Jews everywhere. The latter two religious groups are regarded as enemies of the left that must be destroyed at all costs, in spite of there being many leftist Christians and Jews.

Maybe because they’re actually from G-d as opposed to some two-bit demon whispering in a pedophile’s ear? Kind of like how cursing in movies ALWAYS uses Judeo-Christian words, never any other “religions”.

Nutstuyu on August 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM

The Left foolishly believes they can use the ignorant little brown guys in the middle east to help them destroy Capitalism, at which time the Left will then reel them in and get them to adopt secularism in the name of Marxism, or at least accept their own secularism and leave them in peace. This is because the Left is inherently racist and believes the brown savages are useful idiots totally incapable of playing the player.

TarasBulbous on August 7, 2014 at 1:53 PM

They do. Samaritans Purse and UMCOR are just two I am personally involved with. Unfortunately it also takes armed resources, unless you’re OK with churches flying planes with missiles and guns.

Nutstuyu on August 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Who handles the arrangements with the armed resources? Is it the government or the charities?

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Killed thousands, but saved millions.
But FDR didn’t even bomb the railroad tracks leading to the camps.
sentinelrules on August 7, 2014 at 12:13 PM
It’s not clear how much the US knew about the camps for much of the war.
jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 12:15 PM

According to the Holocaust Memorial in Boston, the US and others new about them quite early on but did nothing to stop them.

Nutstuyu on August 7, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Who handles the arrangements with the armed resources?

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Why do you care about facts? You never seem to let them stop you from writing whatever you want.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

We don’t. Unless the government requests our assistance in a militarized zone, we don’t go. Otherwise, UMCOR is usually one of the first groups on the ground, even before FEMA sometimes.

Nutstuyu on August 7, 2014 at 2:00 PM

According to the Holocaust Memorial in Boston, the US and others new about them quite early on but did nothing to stop them.

Nutstuyu on August 7, 2014 at 1:57 PM

You mean except for completely shutting them down?

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 2:00 PM

It’s not clear how much the US knew about the camps for much of the war.
jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 12:15 PM

The OSS rec’d reports about Auschwitz, in particular, in 1942 and Jan Karski advised the Allies, including the US, of the happenings in various ghettos and the genocide of Jews in concentration camps in 1942. He met with FDR in 1943 to convey to him, personally, his report on the plight of the Jews and exactly what the Nazis were doing.

Resist We Much on August 7, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Who handles the arrangements with the armed resources?

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Why do you care about facts? You never seem to let them stop you from writing whatever you want.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM

I do. You and I just disagree. Are you a government employee or a contractor to the government?

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 2:19 PM

P.S. You were the first person I said hi to on my return yesterday. ; )

Bmore on August 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Missed that yesterday.

Welcome home. Missed ya.

Schadenfreude on August 7, 2014 at 2:21 PM

hawkdriver on August 7, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Government regulations on what “groups” are.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Not even sure what you’re trying to say in return. I’ll ask again. Why didn’t liberal losers ban together to buy their own healthcare rather than ruining the system for everyone else?

hawkdriver on August 7, 2014 at 2:22 PM

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

We don’t. Unless the government requests our assistance in a militarized zone, we don’t go. Otherwise, UMCOR is usually one of the first groups on the ground, even before FEMA sometimes.

Nutstuyu on August 7, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Thanks for answering.

So what criteria is used to determine if something is a militarized zone? Is it any active combat of any type? Or is it some level of intensity or particular types of weapons or something beyond that?

(I’m trying to see if and how distinctions are drawn.)

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Not even sure what you’re trying to say in return. I’ll ask again. Why didn’t liberal losers ban together to buy their own healthcare rather than ruining the system for everyone else?

hawkdriver on August 7, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Because various state laws restrict who can be a “group” for group insurance purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_insurance

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Also, are you the guy who claims to be a teacher? If so, this nation is truly f*cked.

TarasBulbous on August 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Here’s my picture:

http://blog.mainstreethost.com/mellow-mushroom-stalks-its-twitter-followers-in-real-life-and-other-brands-that-should-do-the-same/dos-equis-most-interesting-man

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM

So,..its not Obama’s fault, that he left a vacuum in Iraq,
and letting the Terrorist ISIS runneth amucks,
its a Iraq Political Failure, well, I guess if it wasn’t that,
then Hopey would have pulled out the Blame Bush Card!!!!

Iraq violence
49m
White House says dire humanitarian situation in Iraq is consequence of a broader failure of Iraqi political leaders – @Reuters
End of alert

Iraq violence
1h
White House: ‘There are no American military solutions to the problems in Iraq’ – @Reuters

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/iraq-violence/

canopfor on August 7, 2014 at 2:30 PM

I do.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Your comments don’t indicate that you care about facts. You talk out your azz and then move the goalposts when your cluelessness gets exposed.

You and I just disagree.

Disagree about what? That 2+2=4? Sorry, but I’m sticking to my guns about that.

Here’s a metaphorical comment chain with you.

Commenter #1: 2+2=4.
jim56: No, it doesn’t.
Commenter #1: Yes, it does.
jim56: No, because 4-2 doesn’t equal 2.
Commenter #2: Actually, 4-2 does equal 2.
jim56: Well, 2×2 doesn’t equal 4.
Commenter #3: Actually, 2×2 does equal 4.
jim56: Well, you’re right about that, but my original claim is still correct.
Commenter #4: No, it isn’t.
jim56: Well, 2×4 doesn’t equal 4.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 2:31 PM

https://twitter.com/AP

The Associated Press @AP · 6s

U.S. considering airstrikes, humanitarian aid to assist trapped religious minorities in northern Iraq: http://apne.ws/1vgLd6d

US weighs airstrikes, humanitarian aid in Iraq
By JULIE PACE and ROBERT BURNS
— Aug. 7, 2014 2:18 PM EDT
**************************

Obama used the threat of an imminent humanitarian crisis as a rationale for limited U.S. military action in Libya in 2010, as forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi threatened a massacre in Benghazi. The U.S. and NATO partners launched a bombing campaign over Libya, with Obama moving forward without congressional approval.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-weighs-humanitarian-aid-help-trapped-iraqis

The Associated Press @AP · now

U.S. weighs airstrikes, humanitarian aid for religious minorities in Iraq: http://apne.ws/1kppl3M
===============================

canopfor on August 7, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Because various state laws restrict who can be a “group” for group insurance purposes.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 2:25 PM

One, doesn’t need to be a group to share the cost of health insurance. Sorry, but 2×2 DOES equal 4.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM

(I’m trying to see if and how distinctions are drawn.)

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Why bother? You’ll just claim that you use different definitions than Nutstuyu in an attempt to make inaccurate claims.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 2:35 PM

https://twitter.com/markknoller

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 9m

.@PressSec says ISIL forces display a “callous disregard for human rights,” the US is concerned and closely monitoring.

https://twitter.com/PressSec

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 11m

WH says minorities in Iraq trapped by ISIL extremist forces “nearing a humanitarian catastrophe.” Pres Obama weighing options for action.

canopfor on August 7, 2014 at 2:38 PM

If the American public and political class won’t bear any U.S. military involvement in Iraq, why were troops dispatched to the country? And if ISIS overrunning the Kurds, taking control of key infrastructure, and carrying out a deliberate slaughter of the Yazidis isn’t enough to get the U.S. forces involved, is there anything that would force a U.S. military response?

Big profit for big campaign contributors.

VorDaj on August 7, 2014 at 2:47 PM

a bunch of petty hoodlums with machetes, or AK47s, or Toyota 4x4s.

It’s a very bad mistake to underestimate your enemy. This is as stupid as Barky comparing them to a JV team.

Besides, if they scrape together the cost of a few airline tickets, they have the makings of a potentially terrible bioweapon: send a few wannabe-splodi’s to Africa to get loaded with Ebola, and then on to Central America, to wander across our southern border while they’re still in the 21-day asymptomatic incubation period. Then they just have to go walkabout in the US in a few crowded cities. If they develop symptoms, they can spread the disease. If not, they can just try to kill a few people at random to make the trip worthwhile. Very cost-effective in any case.

bofh on August 7, 2014 at 2:50 PM

The Peshmerga have been trying to open a corridor to save the Yazidis, but ISIS has been able to stop them as ISIS has the advantage as they have been furnished with far more American supplied weapons than the Peshmerga.

VorDaj on August 7, 2014 at 2:50 PM

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 2:25 PM

You’ve stolen national elections but couldn’t get past those regulations?

When you used to comment as Jimbo you were so excited to get you some free healthcare. I’d like to thank you in your support for it so my family can pay almost the entire cost of my daughters anti-rejection drugs where her modest healthcare plan used to pay quite a bit of it.

That you’d champion that and then begrudge a band of people fighting for their very existence speaks volumes of the liberal heart.

Hope you’re prospering.

hawkdriver on August 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM

“Do you miss me yet?” – Saddam Hussein

VorDaj on August 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Because various state laws restrict who can be a “group” for group insurance purposes.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 2:25 PM

One, doesn’t need to be a group to share the cost of health insurance. Sorry, but 2×2 DOES equal 4.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM

Really? Then explain, please. With details.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Here’s my picture:
jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM

More like this.

hawkdriver on August 7, 2014 at 2:57 PM

They do. Samaritans Purse and UMCOR are just two I am personally involved with. Unfortunately it also takes armed resources, unless you’re OK with churches flying planes with missiles and guns.

Nutstuyu on August 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Who handles the arrangements with the armed resources? Is it the government or the charities?

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

I imagine the government would handle their own security, but NGOs and private companies frequently work with private security companies that hire local ‘talent’ who know the lay of the land with a western adviser to provide armed security details. My wife was once Director of Operations for one such contracting outfit.

Venril on August 7, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Only thing that matters to commie tax and spend Democrat thugs like Obama is spending the money on buying votes.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 7, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Maybe Putin will help and supply the Peshmerga, who seem to be running out of ammo. Putin says he’s a Christian and probably is. Obama also says he’s a Christian, but who would believe that?

VorDaj on August 7, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Obama is a small letter christian, sort of a just in time christian.

One that when in sight of St. Peter and the golden gates,, puts out the cig’s….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 7, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Really? Then explain, please. With details.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM

You don’t need to be a “group” to help pay for someone else’s healthcare.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 3:10 PM

I imagine the government would handle their own security, but NGOs and private companies frequently work with private security companies that hire local ‘talent’ who know the lay of the land with a western adviser to provide armed security details. My wife was once Director of Operations for one such contracting outfit.

Venril on August 7, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Thanks for the information, Venril.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM

You don’t need to be a “group” to help pay for someone else’s healthcare.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 3:10 PM

The question was this one, though:

Why didn’t liberal losers ban[d] together [or "share"]to buy their own healthcare rather than ruining the system for everyone else?

hawkdriver on August 7, 2014 at 2:22 PM

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:18 PM

WOW!!!! What compassion from the Liberals on here…..

Realdemocrat1 on August 7, 2014 at 12:15 PM

If those were Iraqi Christians/Jews surrounding a mountain with a bunch of muslims (which would not happen, of course) starving to death at the top, I guarantee you their perspective would be different.

Midas on August 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Okay, I’m going to run this past Jimbo here.
My church, if it wants to help out the Christian and others that ISIS is committing genocide on (which, as you are so ably showing, leftists don’t care about–you slime balls LOVE dead Christians)–you are arguing that the US shouldn’t help, but the Churches should.

For us to help, we would need to raise an armed division and engage in military combat. So, is that what you want my church to do–become a militarized Church, with troops and combat capability?

Somehow, I don’t think you would approve of a Christian church group in the United States that has a full fledged military capability, for some reason. But you say you do!

That’s the choices, Jimbo: To help these people, military force must be used. Either the US government does it, or you support Christian churches arming themselves with planes, tanks, and troops to do the job instead. Which is it?

Vanceone on August 7, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Why didn’t liberal losers ban[d] together [or "share"]to buy their own healthcare rather than ruining the system for everyone else?

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Exactly! And you made some stupid reply about being considered a group. People can most certainly help pay for other people’s healthcare by banding together. Beejezus, you’re stupid.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Okay, I’m going to run this past Jimbo here.
My church, if it wants to help out the Christian and others that ISIS is committing genocide on (which, as you are so ably showing, leftists don’t care about–you slime balls LOVE dead Christians)–you are arguing that the US shouldn’t help, but the Churches should.

For us to help, we would need to raise an armed division and engage in military combat. So, is that what you want my church to do–become a militarized Church, with troops and combat capability?

Somehow, I don’t think you would approve of a Christian church group in the United States that has a full fledged military capability, for some reason. But you say you do!That’s the choices, Jimbo: To help these people, military force must be used. Either the US government does it, or you support Christian churches arming themselves with planes, tanks, and troops to do the job instead. Which is it?

Vanceone on August 7, 2014 at 3:26 PM

It’s not an either/or decision–and I assume you’re talking about providing aid, not shooting ISIS:

I imagine the government would handle their own security, but NGOs and private companies frequently work with private security companies that hire local ‘talent’ who know the lay of the land with a western adviser to provide armed security details. My wife was once Director of Operations for one such contracting outfit.

Venril on August 7, 2014 at 2:58 PM

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

My wife was once Director of Operations for one such contracting outfit.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

That’s funny since you don’t even know the definition of operations.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Iraq violence
1h
White House: ‘There are no American military solutions to the problems in Iraq’ – @Reuters

When a dam breaks, rushing to rescue people from flooded out homes is not a “solution” to the broken dam. But you still effing go and do your level best to save them.

We abandoned Iraq. We owe them at the very least to try to help save them from being butchered.

These people are evil.

Missy on August 7, 2014 at 3:44 PM

That’s funny since you don’t even know the definition of operations.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 3:42 PM

I imagine the government would handle their own security, but NGOs and private companies frequently work with private security companies that hire local ‘talent’ who know the lay of the land with a western adviser to provide armed security details. My wife was once Director of Operations for one such contracting outfit.

Venril on August 7, 2014 at 2:58 PM

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM

You should use the quotes function for all quotes instead of just half so that your comments aren’t so ambiguous, but it seems as if you’re lazy in addition to being stupid.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 3:48 PM

the US is concerned and closely monitoring.

Well that should take care of things nicely.

The Middle East is mploding, a two star American General is assassinated for the first time ever, terrible acts of genocide are occurring on a daily basis and all Obama does is party with dictators, continue to aggravate the humanitarian crisis on the border, and lamant 1800 dead Palestinian terrorists. Meanwhile his administration monitors the situation closely and with concern.

talkingpoints on August 7, 2014 at 3:48 PM

You should use the quotes function for all quotes instead of just half so that your comments aren’t so ambiguous, but it seems as if you’re lazy in addition to being stupid.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 3:48 PM

If I’m so stupid, please explain how people generally can band together and pay for their healthcare expenses without being a group.

Crickets chirp…

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

I hate what we have become and I hate the people who stood by and knowingly let it happen.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

please explain how people generally can band together and pay for their healthcare expenses without being a group.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

You freaking write a check for someone that’s having difficulty paying for their healthcare. People can band together to help others that are having trouble.

Is government control so ingrained in your soul that you don’t even know what charity is?

Crickets chirp…

You’re deaf. You don’t hear the answers or the crickets.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 4:00 PM

King Putt golfs.
King Putt attends fundraisers.
King Putt doesn’t give a rats azz about MG Harold Greene or the other slaughtered American Soldiers nor the NATO allies.
King Putt has a phone but doesn’t know who to call.
King Putt has a pen but no one will give him any paper.

Now, I have to say:

“Do you miss me yet?” – Saddam Hussein
VorDaj on August 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM

A real schadenfreude (i.e. the German meaning) Thread Winner!

Missilengr on August 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Okay, Jimbo. Please find for me the private security force large enough and well equipped enough to take on ISIS.

Or do you think that a group as bloodthirsty as ISIS would happily let in a relief column?

Vanceone on August 7, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Modern day Churchill needed.

Walter L. Newton on August 7, 2014 at 10:16 AM

You’re right…

PatriotRider on August 7, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Yeah, old Winston left quite a legacy for Britannia.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Iraq violence
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Official: Presidential decision to authorize humanitarian airdrop in Iraq may come within hours – @washingtonpost
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Washington Post @washingtonpost · 23m

Obama may move within hours to authorize humanitarian airdrop in Iraq, official says http://wapo.st/1kpyyJr

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost

canopfor on August 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM

canopfor on August 7, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Obama Admin Calls Islamic State’s Genocide Against Christians And Yazidis “Callous”…

If they were Hamas or their supporters, the Obama Administration would call it a war crime.

Resist We Much on August 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Resist We Much on August 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM

With this feckless Administration, shouldn’t it be #callous ?

Athos on August 7, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Obama may move within hours to authorize humanitarian airdrop in Iraq, official says http://wapo.st/1kpyyJr

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost

canopfor on August 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Obama may move within hours to authorize humanitarian airdrop

Obama may move within hours to authorize

Obama may move within hours

Obama may move

not unless it’s to a golf course or fund raiser or Jay Z’s birfday

TarasBulbous on August 7, 2014 at 4:46 PM

the US is concerned and closely monitoring.

Well that should take care of things nicely.

The Middle East is mploding, a two star American General is assassinated for the first time ever, terrible acts of genocide are occurring on a daily basis and all Obama does is party with dictators, continue to aggravate the humanitarian crisis on the border, and lamant 1800 dead Palestinian terrorists. Meanwhile his administration monitors the situation closely and with concern.

talkingpoints on August 7, 2014 at 3:48 PM

The modern middle east established by the west to keep the mohammedians at bay is reverting to it’s mohammedian history of brutal jihad and expansion.

The Crusades of Christendom went on for centuries (1091 – 1699)…The first crusades were organized by the Popes…The later Crusades by the monarchs of Europe.

” In reality the Crusades continued until the end of the seventeenth century, the crusade of Lepanto occurring in 1571, that of Hungary in 1664, and the crusade of the Duke of Burgundy to Candia, in 1669. A more scientific division is based on the history of the Christian settlements in the East; therefore the subject will be considered in the following order:

I. Origin of the Crusades;
II. Foundation of Christian states in the East;
III. First destruction of the Christian states (1144-87);
IV. Attempts to restore the Christian states and the crusade against Saint-Jean d’Acre (1192-98);
V. The crusade against Constantinople (1204);
VI. The thirteenth-century crusades (1217-52);
VII. Final loss of the Christian colonies of the East (1254-91);
VIII. The fourteenth-century crusade and the Ottoman invasion;
IX. The crusade in the fifteenth century;
X. Modifications and survival of the idea of the crusade.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm

To the Jihadist Mohammedian….this is another chapter in the Mohammedian expansion.

workingclass artist on August 7, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Islamic State “Systematically Beheading” Christian Children, Raping Mothers, Hanging Fathers…

Resist We Much on August 7, 2014 at 4:42 PM

True to type.

This was how Islam spread…forced conversions through bestial terror.

workingclass artist on August 7, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Obama has successfully removed any symbolic and unifying Christian Identity in our military.

workingclass artist on August 7, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Crickets chirp…

jimbo56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Tell us again about that nonexistent Hamas military manual, which I posted the link to the other day. Original, untranslated copy.

Crickets chirp…

Del Dolemonte on August 7, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Crickets chirp…

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Likewise with the majority of my comment. Nothing to say?

The things you supported have ruined this country and put the world in flames. You used to beg for us to support the ACA because you needed a leg up and a hand with your insurance needs. Nearly begged. My family and many others are paying for it.

You’ve excused everything this moron in the White House has done and we all suffer because of it. The forces moving on one of the most beautiful regions of the world and a group of people that have fought off unbelievable odds till now are probably going to fall to a force that obama created. And you’re saying screw them.

Whatever that ailment was that you used to complain about that made your insurance so unmanageable, I hope it’s extremely persistent.

hawkdriver on August 7, 2014 at 4:56 PM

This was how Islam spread…forced conversions through bestial terror.

workingclass artist on August 7, 2014 at 4:54 PM

A 7th century theocracy that spread using 7th century tactics is trying to bring the world back to the 7th century by invoking 7th century values and practices.

Unlike in the 7th-20th centuries, they are now being actively assisted and encouraged by the patrician elitist left who share the Islamist contempt of Western Civilization. The naive left, believing that the ‘enemy of my enemy is my friend’, and that they can ‘negotiate’, ‘appease’, and otherwise spin the Jihadi’s from killing them as infidels, refuse to see anything other than just what they want to believe.

Athos on August 7, 2014 at 5:03 PM

This was how Islam spread…forced conversions through bestial terror.

workingclass artist on August 7, 2014 at 4:54 PM

A 7th century theocracy that spread using 7th century tactics is trying to bring the world back to the 7th century by invoking 7th century values and practices.

Unlike in the 7th-20th centuries, they are now being actively assisted and encouraged by the patrician elitist left who share the Islamist contempt of Western Civilization. The naive left, believing that the ‘enemy of my enemy is my friend’, and that they can ‘negotiate’, ‘appease’, and otherwise spin the Jihadi’s from killing them as infidels, refuse to see anything other than just what they want to believe.

Athos on August 7, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Most of the left is not naive…they are ignorant because the history is not being taught completely.

The secularist left bemoan the morality of both christianity and judaism…They prefer a flexible morally relativity.

There can be no separation of the religious aspect when studying the crusades and the danger presented by Islam.

It is facts in history. The Crusades were fundamentally defensive wars fought to check Islam as a barbaric danger to the West.

The Ultimate goal of Islam is total conquest and conversion through force.

These are fundamentally holy wars thrust upon us…and we had better unite as a people against that threat or we will fall divided…imho…

workingclass artist on August 7, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Somebody’s bombing IS in Iraq.

Resist We Much on August 7, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Obama is a small letter christian, sort of a just in time christian.

One that when in sight of St. Peter and the golden gates,, puts out the cig’s….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 7, 2014 at 3:05 PM

I don’t think Obama is a Christian…although he pretends to play one on TV

workingclass artist on August 7, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Somebody’s bombing IS in Iraq.

Resist We Much on August 7, 2014 at 5:20 PM

And this…

“Russian strategic nuclear bombers conducted at least 16 incursions into northwestern U.S. air defense identification zones over the past 10 days, an unusually sharp increase in aerial penetrations, according to U.S. defense officials….”

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/7/russian-bombers-penetrated-us-airspace-least-16-ti/#ixzz39kBGhCNc
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

workingclass artist on August 7, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Report: Yazidi Parents Throwing Their Children From Mountain So They Don’t Have To See Them Die Of Thirst Or Taken By Islamic State…

Resist We Much on August 7, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Dear God in Heaven…

This is reminding me of Armenian Holocaust(s)….Parents throwing their children in the river to drown and women and young girls killing themselves to avoid being raped and prostituted…

workingclass artist on August 7, 2014 at 5:32 PM

This is the entry in the Encyclopedia Brittanica…

To ISIS these people are infidel apostates…but not necessarily people of the book

“Yazīdī, also spelled Yezīdī, Azīdī, Zedī, or Izdī, religious sect, found primarily in the districts of Mosul, Iraq; Diyarbakır, Turkey; Aleppo, Syria; Armenia and the Caucasus region; and parts of Iran. The Yazīdī religion combines Zoroastrian, Manichaean, Jewish, Nestorian Christian, and Islamic elements. The Yazīdī themselves are thought to be descended from supporters of the Umayyad caliph Yazīd I. They believe that they were created quite separately from the rest of humankind, being descended from Adam but not from Eve, and they have kept themselves strictly segregated from the people among whom they live. Although scattered and probably numbering only between 200,000 and 1,000,000, they have a well-organized society, with a chief sheikh as the supreme religious head and an emir, or prince, as the secular head.

The chief divine figure of the Yazīdī is Malak Ṭāʾūs (“Peacock Angel”), who is worshipped in the form of a peacock. He rules the universe with six other angels, but all seven are subordinate to the supreme God, who has had no direct interest in the universe since he created it. Malak Ṭāʾūs has often been identified by outsiders with the Judeo-Christian figure of Satan, causing the Yazīdīs to be inaccurately described as Devil worshippers. The seven angels are worshipped by the Yazīdī in the form of seven bronze or iron peacock figures called sanjaq, the largest of which weighs nearly 700 pounds (320 kg).

Yazīdī are antidualists; they deny the existence of evil and therefore also reject sin, the Devil, and hell. The breaking of divine laws is expiated by way of metempsychosis, or transmigration of souls, which allows for the progressive purification of the spirit. Shaykh ʿAdī, the chief Yazīdī saint, was a 12th-century Muslim mystic who, the Yazīdī believe, achieved divinity through metempsychosis.

The Yazīdī religious centre and object of the annual pilgrimage is the tomb of Shaykh ʿAdī, located at a former Christian monastery in the town of Lālish, north of Mosul, Iraq. Two short books, Kitāb al-jilwah (“Book of Revelation”) and Maṣḥafrash (“Black Writing”), form the sacred scriptures of the Yazīdī, and a hymn in praise of Shaykh ʿAdī is held in great esteem.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/652325/Yazidi

workingclass artist on August 7, 2014 at 5:39 PM

It could be the US, France (they’ve already offered asylum), Russia (this is right in Putin’s wheelhouse a) Putin as Saviour; b) Russia wants to increase its influence in the region), Turkey (the Kurds have already asked for help), Israel (PR win on the heels of the Gaza war and Syria & Jordan would both likely agree to let them use their airspace because IS is an existential threat to both), Iran (they’ve already sent troops into Iraq and this would be a feather in their caps), or even Egypt (we’ve even supplied them with the aircraft and they loathe IS) with or without other states like Jordan, Syria, etc.

Resist We Much on August 7, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Likewise with the majority of my comment. Nothing to say?

The things you supported have ruined this country and put the world in flames. You used to beg for us to support the ACA because you needed a leg up and a hand with your insurance needs. Nearly begged. My family and many others are paying for it.

You’ve excused everything this moron in the White House has done and we all suffer because of it. The forces moving on one of the most beautiful regions of the world and a group of people that have fought off unbelievable odds till now are probably going to fall to a force that obama created. And you’re saying screw them.

Whatever that ailment was that you used to complain about that made your insurance so unmanageable, I hope it’s extremely persistent.

hawkdriver on August 7, 2014 at 4:56 PM</blockquote

Who do you think I am and what did I supposedly say?

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Tell us again about that nonexistent Hamas military manual, which I posted the link to the other day. Original, untranslated copy.

Crickets chirp…

Del Dolemonte on August 7, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Show us again where I claimed there was no Hamas military manual.

Crickets chirp….

please explain how people generally can band together and pay for their healthcare expenses without being a group.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

You freaking write a check for someone that’s having difficulty paying for their healthcare. People can band together to help others that are having trouble.

Is government control so ingrained in your soul that you don’t even know what charity is?

Crickets chirp…

You’re deaf. You don’t hear the answers or the crickets.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 4:00 PM

So how does it work if one of the members have cancer and the cost of the healthcare would bankrupt all the group members? What you’re talking about is private assistance.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Gawd, obama cannot even stick to his word and his minions cannot either. Which tells me that they will say anything but not really mean it. All based on situational politics. Feckless.

jake49 on August 7, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Show us again where I claimed there was no Hamas military manual.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 5:44 PM

You claimed that Hama didn’t use military definitions. You must be a lousy lawyer.

What you’re talking about is private assistance.

Private assistance wasn’t excluded by hawkdriver’s statement. You attempted a massive narrowing of his statement – down to meaning an insurance group. Fail.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 6:07 PM

I’m guessing we’re still waiting for George Clooney to do or say something . . . . . . . .

listens2glenn on August 7, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Of course the west will stand by and watch. They only seem to care about the feelings of Muslims.

lonestar1 on August 7, 2014 at 9:38 PM

If I’m so stupid, please explain how people generally can band together and pay for their healthcare expenses without being a group.

Crickets chirp…

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

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Any Insurance Co selling insurance to cover costs of medical services constitutes the “group.”

You don’t have to join up with, or form up into a sub-group first, before getting your medical insurance.

Can you give me more than “crickets chirping”, or not ?

listens2glenn on August 7, 2014 at 10:36 PM

Any Insurance Co selling insurance to cover costs of medical services constitutes the “group.”

You don’t have to join up with, or form up into a sub-group first, before getting your medical insurance.

Can you give me more than “crickets chirping”, or not ?

listens2glenn on August 7, 2014 at 10:36 PM

Yes. To get premiums priced on the group market, rather than the individual market, you need to have a “group” recognized by the state insurance dept.

This is way too much detail, and may not be applicable but it’s a start: http://www.tdi.texas.gov/pubs/consumer/cb005.html

The bottom line is that some states restrict the definition of group so it’s only useful for an employer of 2+ people–not a group such as college alumni or whatever.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 11:37 PM

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 11:37 PM

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But I still want to abolish the whole institution of “pay-rolled employees.”

Every individual laborer should work and be payed as a sub-contractor for any given company.

Every individual person would be responsible for keeping track of their wages, and withholding the appropriate amount of taxes for where they live, and paying said taxes by April 15th.

listens2glenn on August 8, 2014 at 12:30 AM

The Yazidis are just as fundimentalist as the guys who founded the Islamic State. They have the same concepts of honor killings and such. Just different people are apostate.

One hopes they will remember who helped them when the time comes and they need to shelter with Christians.

As for the United States helping Christians — nope. Ain’t gonna happen. We have enough trouble helping our Christian neighbors to the south.

unclesmrgol on August 8, 2014 at 12:57 AM

Will they stand by and do nothing?
Well Bill Clinton and his leftist friends stood by while hundreds of thousands of Rwandans were being slaughtered, and did nothing. They also stood by while the Catholic descendants of the old Portuguese spice traders were being slaughtered by Islamists in East Timor. It was Australia that had to step in militarily and act like the decent world leaders we once were, before the left took over America’s institutions.

Don L on August 8, 2014 at 6:54 AM

Will the West stand by and watch the slaughter of Yazidis, and cleansing of Christians, in Iraq?

Yes, Øbama doesn’t care and he’s bothered that you care.

Mojave Mark on August 8, 2014 at 7:35 AM

Yes. To get premiums priced on the group market, rather than the individual market, you need to have a “group” recognized by the state insurance dept.

jim56 on August 7, 2014 at 11:37 PM

That’s not the only way to band together to provide healthcare to people. I already explained that hawkdriver’s question was much more broad? Your attempts to overly narrow his question are a joke.

corkie on August 8, 2014 at 1:23 PM

wOW! That State Department chick has already turned into an old hag, by looking at that photo. She looks like the wicked Witch of West without the hat.
Sheesh!

That’s what working for this administration does for you.

avagreen on August 8, 2014 at 5:33 PM

Meanwhile, the king stands by with his usual upturned nose.

avagreen on August 8, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Report: Yazidi Parents Throwing Their Children From Mountain So They Don’t Have To See Them Die Of Thirst Or Taken By Islamic State…

Resist We Much on August 7, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Ohhhhh…..no!!!!!!

Gawd! I hate the prezident.

avagreen on August 8, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Poor Susan Rice. Poor Samantha Powers. All this time they were taught that religion was a First World phenomenon, being foisted, through colonialism on native, ie. Third World, peoples. Now it seems that some people have had religions associated with the First World since before the colonial period. Dang! Awkward! To have to protect people on the basis of religion. . . oooh, it just chafes so mightily against that Marxist education. Ok, girls. Time to do what’s right and protect the weak against the strong, the moral against the immoral, even, heaven forfend, the G-dly against the ungodly. Now don’t you wish you’d gotten a proper education, instead of that post-modern excuse for indoctrination? Yeah, the world is a complicated place, isn’t it?

smellthecoffee on August 8, 2014 at 6:05 PM

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