U.S. weighing airdrops — and/or airstrikes — to help Yazidis trapped on mountain by ISIS

posted at 12:41 pm on August 7, 2014 by Allahpundit

An update to Ed’s post this morning about the tens of thousands of Yazidi Kurds forced up onto Mount Sinjar to escape jihadi barbarians. The good news is, help might be on the way:

The president, in meetings with his national security team at the White House on Thursday morning, has been weighing a series of options ranging from dropping humanitarian supplies on Mount Sinjar to military strikes on the fighters from ISIS now at the base of the mountain, a senior administration official said…

The administration had been delaying taking any military action against ISIS until there is a new Iraqi government. Both White House and Pentagon officials have said privately that the United States would not intervene militarily until Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki stepped down.

But administration officials said on Thursday that the crisis on Mount Sinjar may be forcing their hand. About 40 children have already died from the heat and dehydration, according to Unicef, while as many as 40,000 people have been sheltering in the bare mountains without food, water or access to supplies.

The bad news is, Obama and his team have been kicking this idea around for at least two days with no movement yet. George Packer reported yesterday that he’d heard the day before from an administration official that they were weighing an airlift of humanitarian supplies to the Yazidis. Two days later, they’re still weighing it. Presumably, if they’re leaking to the Times now about deliberations, they’re finally planning on acting soon. A UN official told one paper that ISIS’s persecution of the Yazidis may already amount to genocide or crimes against humanity as they’re being exterminated on sight as infidels, without even the option to convert or pay jizya to reside in ISIS-occupied land. The last rumor I saw on Twitter was that Turkey’s air force is planning strikes on ISIS at the Kurds’ request; maybe that’s part of the hold up in the White House, to see if the military end of this can be outsourced to someone else.

Here’s a bit more from Packer. Even if the Yazidis are saved, what happens then?

Karim couldn’t help expressing bitterness about this. “I don’t see any attention from the rest of the world,” he said. “In one day, they killed more than two thousand Yazidi in Sinjar, and the whole world says, ‘Save Gaza, save Gaza.’”…

The aim of the Sinjar operation seems to be control of the Mosul Dam, the largest dam in Iraq, which provides electricity to Mosul, Baghdad, and much of the country. According to one expert, if ISIS takes the dam, which is located on the Tigris River, it would have the means to put Mosul under thirty metres of water, and Baghdad under five. Other nearby targets could include the Kurdish cities of Erbil and Dohuk. Karim reported that residents of Dohuk, inundated with refugees, felt not just a sense of responsibility for Sinjar but also alarm, and that they were stocking up on supplies in case of an attack.

That was published yesterday. ISIS took the dam this morning, although the fight for control is still raging. The group can either use the dam for energy, to power its new territory, or it can drown Iraq by blowing it up. Given the savagery they’ve shown already, replete with alleged beheadings of children, blowing the dam seems like a horrifyingly real possibility, especially if the tide of the war turns and the group wants to go out with a bang. Presumably that’s the real purpose of those looming Turkish airstrikes, dislodging ISIS from the area around the dam before they can secure it and start wiring the structure to take it down if need be. Exit quotation: “Even Genghis Khan … didn’t do this.”


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Mosul Dam needs constant maintenance to keep it from dissolving into the strata on which its built. ISIS just has to nothing and it will fail. So unless they ISIS has a battalion of civil engineers and construction people the dam is as good as gone.

InterestedObserver on August 7, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Noah Rothman ‏@NoahCRothman 16m

Gloria Borger notes that this whole “an entire Iraqi people facing extermination in the most brutal way” thing is a nightmare for Obama.

Bmore on August 7, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Talk about “in the bubble” media. Everything is about Obama.

Here’s a hint for ya Gloria. It is a nightmare for the Iraquis, it is a roadbump for Obama.

can_con on August 7, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Verbie conveniently ignores the fact that there are already very capable allies on the ground there, who just need resupply – the Peshmurga. Rearm them and pump tons of ammo to them, while suppressing the ISIS barbarians from the air. Bet you the Turks would even grant overflight privileges. 6th Fleet is in the Med – turn them loose.

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 2:09 PM

It seems likely that Obama will move fwd on some sort of action here that will include airstrikes and humanitarian aid. Maybe in partnership with other nations.
But if it proves ineffective…then what?

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Romney’s $10K says King Putt won’t actually do anything that will solve the problem.
Betcha the only thing he actually does is call for a serious hashtag campaign.

dentarthurdent on August 7, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Bmore on August 7, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Yep, out loud and everything. Just like a professional journalist.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Not a sign of brainfree or foolrepublica on any of these threads discussing ISIS slaughtering Kurds.

If only the Kurds were hiding behind children and lobbing rockets into Israel.

Heck even the cultist verbalduece showed up to defend his boyfriends inaction and dithering (shocker, right).

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 2:13 PM

They should be listening to the amateur hawks on con blog comment boards.
/

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:03 PM

FU, verbal, I’m not an amateur. Neither are dent or a lot of the other commenters here.

I certainly think it could be done, but I’m not sure you understand the definition of easily.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 2:06 PM

No, it wouldn’t happen overnight. But I work with a bunch of guys who would certainly volunteer if you made the right arrangements. The only advantage the military has is the ability to pull it all together on a moment’s notice (and a blank check).

Every time ISIS gathers in large numbers to mount an offensive send a welcoming wagon full of napalm and daisy cutters.

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 2:06 PM

If only we could. :( So danged effective, especially against fortified positions like trenches and caves. *sigh*
Maybe we could get the Iraqis to go retro and start making it and using it? Get them a couple of fast-movers to drop it and away you go.

GWB on August 7, 2014 at 2:13 PM

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:03 PM

You have only to know that he believes this sh!t.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2014 at 2:14 PM

I would prefer a squadron of those “useless” A-10s

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 2:06 PM

That would be good also.

If I was doing the planning, it would be a flight of B-52s to carpet bomb and soften up the ground a bit, then a couple AC-130s, and some A-10s to clean up anything left that moves.

dentarthurdent on August 7, 2014 at 2:15 PM

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Not to worry, verbaluce, has got it handled.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2014 at 2:15 PM

So maybe RodeWerk had it right….

dentarthurdent on August 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Yes….yes he did.

Just imagine the uproar when they hear about the terrorist group mandate in ObamaCare.

BobMbx on August 7, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Exninja on August 7, 2014 at 2:00 PM

You can’t seriously be blaming Bush for this…he didn’t pull all of our military out of Iraq. Obama is nearly silent. Silence=complicity

clnurnberg on August 7, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Why are y’all so ready to scoff? There was a time when private financiers did exactly this sort of thing. And there are folks who have the money to make it happen privately. Mostly, they just don’t care to do so.

(Yes, you could charter aircraft that could make an airdrop. You could easily get aircrews together from retired AF personnel. And you could get all the goods necessary, as well as the things required to have them survive the drop. Money is all you really need to make it happen.)

GWB on August 7, 2014 at 2:03 PM

I have no doubt it could be done without the Gubmint (and probably better, too.) We are mocking jim56′s assertion that some churches could slap the operation together in a hurry.

TarasBulbous on August 7, 2014 at 2:18 PM

FU, verbal, I’m not an amateur. Neither are dent or a lot of the other commenters here.

GWB on August 7, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Bah. Why would President Stompy-foot listen to people who’ve done stuff like this before when he’s got the great military minds of Jen Psaki, Marie Harf, and the rest of the staff of Banana Republic© right at his finger tips?

bigmacdaddy on August 7, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Just imagine the uproar when they hear about the terrorist group mandate in ObamaCare.

BobMbx on August 7, 2014 at 2:15 PM

LOL.
Ya – imagine the cussing we’d hear about just how evil the Great Satan is now….

dentarthurdent on August 7, 2014 at 2:20 PM

But if it proves ineffective…then what?

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM

So you never try anything if there is a risk of failure? If somebody doesn’t take action pretty soon, all that’s going to be needed is 40,000 body bags. Besides, air strikes and air lift are a win-win for Obama. If they work, he stopped a genocide. If it fails, he can at least say he did something.

ReaganWasRight on August 7, 2014 at 2:04 PM

That’s not what I’m saying.
I’m just trying to get you guys to maybe consider that there aren’t any clear and easy decisions.
But I guess that hard when you think Obama’s just concerned about his image here.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Beyond sad. Where is the great statesman Bush? He should be front and center in the media right now, doing what he can to demand the world act. Instead, he hides in a room in Texas and paints.

Barky is less than useless too.

This Blood is on American hands.

Exninja on August 7, 2014 at 2:00 PM

1. It’s not Bush’s watch. Nor is it Clinton’s. Nor is it Bush pere‘s. Nor is it Carter’s. Obama is the commander-in-chief. His responsibility is to act, even if it is to make a compelling argument that inaction is the appropriate avenue.

2. Demand the world act? The world! Quick! You get the twitter campaign going and I’ll organize the candlelight vigil! What are you 14 years old? There is only one country in the world with the logisitical ability to reach into northern Iraq and do something. Hint: it ain’t Luxembourg.

dreadnought62 on August 7, 2014 at 2:26 PM

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM

No, what we think is that Obmama’s only worried about his golf handicap – get it straight

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 2:26 PM

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 1:50 PM
Do you consider ISIS to be your enemy?

Bmore on August 7, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Not acknowledging my straight forward question to you is no way to welcome me back verbaluce.

Bmore on August 7, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Missed it…sorry.

My enemy?
Sure. I’d favor them being negated as a force and a threat.
Feel the same way about the Mafia and N.Korea’s leaders.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM

No, what we think is that Obmama’s only worried about his golf handicap – get it straight

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 2:26 PM

I have no doubt that’s how serious you’re able to be about this.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Exninja on August 7, 2014 at 2:00 PM

You’re a total fluking moron.

dentarthurdent on August 7, 2014 at 2:30 PM

FU, verbal, I’m not an amateur. Neither are dent or a lot of the other commenters here.

GWB on August 7, 2014 at 2:13 PM

No offense intended.
But there are actually people in some rooms somewhere with data and info that far exceeds the launchpad for ideas here.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:31 PM

No, Verbie, I AM serious about it – it’s your Messiah who’s obviously not

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 2:31 PM

I’m just trying to get you guys to maybe consider that there aren’t any clear and easy decisions.
But I guess that hard when you think Obama’s just concerned about his image here.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM

There are LOTS of clear and easy decisions that COULD be made – IF we had someone in the White House who was willing and able to make those decisions.
But it’s obvious to many of us that we don’t.

dentarthurdent on August 7, 2014 at 2:32 PM

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Not to worry, verbaluce, has got it handled.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Huh?

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM

But there are actually people in some rooms somewhere with data and info that far exceeds the launchpad for ideas here.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:31 PM

One word: Egypt

How did the data and info work out there?

Syria?

Ukraine?

Benghazi?

etc…

BobMbx on August 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM

Verbie always tries to compartmentalize in defense of President Boyfriend, despite ample evidence Obama cannot make a decisive move in ANY situation presented to him – for his ENTIRE presidency.

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 2:34 PM

I’m just trying to get you guys to maybe consider that there aren’t any clear and easy decisions.
But I guess that hard when you think Obama’s just concerned about his image here.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM

There aren’t any clear and easy decisions to be made, but I am honestly asking you to point me to a DOD or DOS or WH communique that has anything resembling a policy attached to it with regards to the situation in northeran Iraq. And no, #ISISismean ain’t a policy.

And with regards to your prior ad hominen attack about amateur hawks, you do realize that numerous posters on this site have no-kidding, on-the-ground experience in Iraq and Afghanistan (this author included)? And the one thing you do learn in the military is when you give a command, deliver it like you mean it, no matter how uncertain you are. Guess Obama didn’t learn that tidbit of leadership 101 in the various diploma mills he attended. And, yes, by the sheer act of giving an intellectual featherweight (apologies to the featherweight division, a most entertaining group of boxers, but I couldn’t think of anything else) like Obama a law degree, Harvard is a diploma mill.

dreadnought62 on August 7, 2014 at 2:34 PM

But there are actually people in some rooms somewhere with data and info that far exceeds the launchpad for ideas here.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:31 PM

One word: Egypt

How did the data and info work out there?

Syria?

Ukraine?

Benghazi?

etc…

BobMbx on August 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM

Indeed. And how did it work out in the Iraq misadventure that helped get us to this point?
But I suppose your list doesn’t start before 2009.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:36 PM

That’s not what I’m saying.
I’m just trying to get you guys to maybe consider that there aren’t any clear and easy decisions.
But I guess that hard when you think Obama’s just concerned about his image here.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM

The administration had been delaying taking any military action against ISIS until there is a new Iraqi government. Both White House and Pentagon officials have said privately that the United States would not intervene militarily until Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki stepped down.

ISIS has been running roughshod through Iraq for months…what we are considering is obama’s lack of action other than words that he is maybe potentially thinking about weighing some options.

You know..the same thing he said about 6 weeks ago and then promptly went golfing.

Meanwhile ISIS becomes further entrenched and the body count continues to mount.

Your devotion to your boyfriend is sweet. It’s also deranged, ill-advised and a huge source of entertainment.

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 2:37 PM

… To state the obvious, it’s do or die.

Islam is a fundamental enemy of human civilization. Either civilization destroys Islam, or Islam will destroy civilization.

This is plain fact.

Wing Chun Man on August 7, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Indeed. And how did it work out in the Iraq misadventure that helped get us to this point?
But I suppose your list doesn’t start before 2009.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Blame Bush.

How original.

sentinelrules on August 7, 2014 at 2:38 PM

One word: Egypt

How did the data and info work out there?

Syria?

Ukraine?

Benghazi?

etc…

BobMbx on August 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM

You forgot Libya, Yemen, Iran…

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 2:39 PM

But there are actually people in some rooms somewhere with data and info that far exceeds the launchpad for ideas here.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:31 PM

And some of us here used to be the people in those rooms.

But unless King Putt makes a decision of some kind, very soon, and orders the military to do something, and that doesn’t appear likely:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/middleeast/obama-weighs-military-strikes-to-aid-trapped-iraqis-officials-say.html?_r=0

ALL of those people will be dead before anything is done – just like in Benghazi.

dentarthurdent on August 7, 2014 at 2:39 PM

https://twitter.com/markknoller

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 9m

.@PressSec says ISIL forces display a “callous disregard for human rights,” the US is concerned and closely monitoring.

https://twitter.com/PressSec

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 11m

WH says minorities in Iraq trapped by ISIL extremist forces “nearing a humanitarian catastrophe.” Pres Obama weighing options for action.

canopfor on August 7, 2014 at 2:38 PM

canopfor on August 7, 2014 at 2:41 PM

https://twitter.com/AP

The Associated Press @AP · 6s

U.S. considering airstrikes, humanitarian aid to assist trapped religious minorities in northern Iraq: http://apne.ws/1vgLd6d

The Associated Press @AP · now

U.S. weighs airstrikes, humanitarian aid for religious minorities in Iraq: http://apne.ws/1kppl3M

canopfor on August 7, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Just airdrop some COEXIST bumper stickers.

And a couple of pithy hashtags.

Galtian on August 7, 2014 at 2:43 PM

But I guess that hard when you think Obama’s just concerned about his image here.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM

That’s all he’s worried about since election.

butch on August 7, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Indeed. And how did it work out in the Iraq misadventure that helped get us to this point?
But I suppose your list doesn’t start before 2009.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Was ISIS over-running Iraq prior to 2009?

dentarthurdent on August 7, 2014 at 2:43 PM

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM

You are the pro-The Won contingent on this thread.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2014 at 2:43 PM

I’m just trying to get you guys to maybe consider that there aren’t any clear and easy decisions.
But I guess that hard when you think Obama’s just concerned about his image here.
 
verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM

 
That’s actually a really good point. He’s forced to make THIS decision because he made prior decisions almost entirely to influence public perceptions regarding his image (NOT BOOOSH!) and elections (NOT BOOOSH!!!).
 
It’s a shame all his previous image-based “clear and easy decisions” culminated in this, but choices have consequences.

rogerb on August 7, 2014 at 2:43 PM

look, a gathering of isis.
look, my blu52 accidentally fell out of my bay.
look my a10 TRIED to help by ending the survivors suffering.

dmacleo on August 7, 2014 at 2:44 PM

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 2:39 PM

He also “forgot” that Obimbo’s policies on withdrawal CREATED the current situation – in its entirety.

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Indeed. And how did it work out in the Iraq misadventure that helped get us to this point?
But I suppose your list doesn’t start before 2009.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:36 PM

While not perfect Iraq actually had real elections starting in 2005. Something no other craphole in that part of the world has had. And tens of thousands of Iraqi’s weren’t being imprisoned and tortured at the whim of a brutal dictator.

And I remember back before 2009 when all the liberals were screaming histrionically about all the Iraqi’s being killed in the war..but then of course they where trying to place the blame on the US military versus the muslims who were sitting off bombs in crowded marketplaces. So your silence on thousands of Iraqi’s being slaughtered is deafening.

Maybe, you can dust off your giant vajayjay outfit and dance in front of the WH. Oh wait, your boyfriend is a democrat..that wouldn’t look good.

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 2:44 PM

But I suppose your list doesn’t start before 2009.
 
verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:36 PM

 
Ha.
 
Thanks for your help.
 
Say, didn’t you vote for him wasn’t he elected because his image was cultivated as the smart and capable one and would take care of all of that pre-2009 mess?

rogerb on August 7, 2014 at 2:45 PM

sentinelrules on August 7, 2014 at 2:38 PM

When bereft of a valid and cogent argument, the usual next step from Verbie and the other trolls is to either Blame Bush or pull out the Chickenhawk accusation…

Thanks to the Left, history will repeat itself (1975 SE Asia and 2014 Iraq) or to paraphrase differently – Insanity is doing the same thing again and again, but expecting different results this time.

Athos on August 7, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Indeed. And how did it work out in the Iraq misadventure that helped get us to this point?
But I suppose your list doesn’t start before 2009.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:36 PM

GWB doesn’t make the decisions anymore.

“I won” does. Stay on subject, please.

BobMbx on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Indeed. And how did it work out in the Iraq misadventure that helped get us to this point?
But I suppose your list doesn’t start before 2009.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:36 PM

All right. Stipulated: Every foreign policy problem in the world has its root cause in the incompetence and malfeasance of George W. Chimpy McBushitler.

But as I recall, we elected a man in November 2008 to right these wrongs. A man, nay, not a man. A demigod. Yes, a demigod, we elected a demigod whose mere touch cured scrofula like the monarchs of ye olden days, whose simplest utterances lowered the sea levels, and whose beneficient glance calmed the basest of human hatreds so that all could like together as one.

Obama has been on watch since January 2009 because he was supposedly the most intelligent, most knowledgable, most diplomatic, most ethical, and most likeable chief executive this country has ever been blessed with. Five plus years into his presidency, don’t you think it’s time for Obama to start demonstrating all of that talent and skill? Or are you admitting that Obama isn’t the right man to clean up all of Bush’s (supposed) messes?

BTW still waiting for that policy statement….

dreadnought62 on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

I’m just trying to get you guys to maybe consider that there aren’t any clear and easy decisions.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM

But you and Obama acted like all these type of decisions were easy between 2001 and 2008. Were you wrong then, or are you wrong now? Which is it?

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 2:53 PM

I’m just trying to get you guys to maybe consider that there aren’t any clear and easy decisions.
But I guess that hard when you think Obama’s just concerned about his image here.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM

What happened to his vaunted 300-person foreign policy team?

Do they have any culpability, or are you trying to say that 301 of the smartest people in the country on foreign policy can’t think of anything?

Or did you swallow that crap hook, line, and sinker?

BobMbx on August 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM

I’m just trying to get you guys to maybe consider that there aren’t any clear and easy decisions.
But I guess that hard when you think Obama’s just concerned about his image here.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM

After all, he bowed and apologized and everything……

BobMbx on August 7, 2014 at 2:56 PM

All right. Stipulated: Every foreign policy problem in the world has its root cause in the incompetence and malfeasance of George W. Chimpy McBushitler.

But as I recall, we elected a man in November 2008 to right these wrongs. A man, nay, not a man. A demigod. Yes, a demigod, we elected a demigod whose mere touch cured scrofula like the monarchs of ye olden days, whose simplest utterances lowered the sea levels, and whose beneficient glance calmed the basest of human hatreds so that all could like together as one.

Obama has been on watch since January 2009 because he was supposedly the most intelligent, most knowledgable, most diplomatic, most ethical, and most likeable chief executive this country has ever been blessed with. Five plus years into his presidency, don’t you think it’s time for Obama to start demonstrating all of that talent and skill? Or are you admitting that Obama isn’t the right man to clean up all of Bush’s (supposed) messes?

BTW still waiting for that policy statement….

dreadnought62 on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

I’m sending you the bill for a new monitor.

bigmacdaddy on August 7, 2014 at 2:56 PM

The Cambodian Genocide

The Rwandan Genocide

The Yazidi Genocide

What do these all have in common?

Democrat Presidents. Moral monsters, all of them.

theCork on August 7, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Guess verbalduece had another conference to attend.

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 3:08 PM

I’m just trying to get you guys to maybe consider that there aren’t any clear and easy decisions.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM

But you and Obama acted like all these type of decisions were easy between 2001 and 2008. Were you wrong then, or are you wrong now? Which is it?

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 2:53 PM

For sure let’s all hope Obama doesn’t make any bad decisions that come even close to awfulness of what your referencing.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM

While not perfect Iraq actually had real elections starting in 2005. Something no other craphole in that part of the world has had. And tens of thousands of Iraqi’s weren’t being imprisoned and tortured at the whim of a brutal dictator.

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 2:44 PM

So let’s invade N. Korea.
But…how can we be sure they have WMDs?
Oh, wait…right.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM

FAR too late for that – 1000′s of innocent Christians in Norther Iraq unavailable for comment.

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 3:27 PM

So let’s invade N. Korea.
But…how can we be sure they have WMDs?
Oh, wait…right.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Yeah, you’re a moron. Thanks for the reminder.

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Obama will do nothing . . . he as neither the will, courage or intellect to pursue a course that would save these people. Just more meaningless babble while he waits for it to go away.

rplat on August 7, 2014 at 3:27 PM

For sure let’s all hope Obama doesn’t make any bad decisions that come even close to awfulness of what your referencing.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Any timeline on when we can expect Obama to make any decision…bad or good? Funny thing about world events…some times they are time sensitive.

dreadnought62 on August 7, 2014 at 3:30 PM

For sure let’s all hope Obama doesn’t make any bad decisions that come even close to awfulness of what your referencing.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Already far exceeded that level.

dentarthurdent on August 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

For sure let’s all hope Obama doesn’t make any bad decisions that come even close to awfulness of what your referencing.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM

ROFLMAO…sorry you sad pathetic little piece of shit….obama’s decisions have already eclipsed what corkie was referencing. The world will be paying the price for obama’s ineptitude for decades to come. Keep dining in obama’s crotch…you sad pathetic little fool.

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Were you wrong then, or are you wrong now? Which is it?

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 2:53 PM

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Answer the question. Were you wrong then, or are you wrong now? Why do trolls have so much trouble admitting that they were wrong?

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Indeed. And how did it work out in the Iraq misadventure that helped get us to this point?
But I suppose your list doesn’t start before 2009.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Blame Bush.

How original.

sentinelrules on August 7, 2014 at 2:38 PM

What’s not original is that response.
I suppose when looking at the all of it one could ignore US foreign policy and actions prior to Obama taking office.
Though that seems a little daft.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:32 PM

No, Verbie, I AM serious about it – it’s your Messiah who’s obviously not

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 2:31 PM

No you’re not.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM

FAR too late for that – 1000′s of innocent Christians in Norther Iraq unavailable for comment.

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Lucy and the other proggies would much rather focus on the fictional number of ‘palestinian civilians’ that Hamas claims have died in Gaza.

slickwillie2001 on August 7, 2014 at 3:39 PM

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

On what do you base your telling me whether I am serious or not, you POS? You don’t know me, don’t know my experiences, don’t know what I do and do not know. I am totally serious, small man, that this indecisive, mornic, childlike, narcissitic, thin-skinned arsewipe in the White House is leading not only this nation, but the entire world with it, down the road to ruin.

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Verby says that Obama has been completely irrelevant, since this is all Bush’s fault. Well, he’s right about Obama doing jack squat.

Except make things worse.

Verbaluce: If Bush is to blame, what has Obama done to make anything–ANYTHING better? He has one foreign policy “accomplishment”: Letting Hillary bully him into killing Bin Ladin. That’s it.

Everything else has been a disaster. The world is far more dangerous now than 2008. Evil is on the march (though to be fair, you and the left view dead jews and christians as progress, not evil).

Obama is on the side of genocide and murder. There is no other explanation. And you support him–wholeheartedly.

Vanceone on August 7, 2014 at 3:43 PM

I suppose when looking at the all of it one could ignore US foreign policy and actions prior to Obama taking office.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:32 PM

You’re the one trying to ignore it. Were you wrong then, or are you wrong now?

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 3:49 PM

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 3:49 PM

He will never tell you, because the actual answer is “both.”

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Answer the question. Were you wrong then, or are you wrong now? Why do trolls have so much trouble admitting that they were wrong?

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 3:32 PM

I was right then that invading Iraq was a terrible idea.
I was wrong that once the decision was made, we’d likely achieve a quick victory and suffer minimal losses.

Were you right then?

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

On what do you base your telling me whether I am serious or not, you POS? You don’t know me, don’t know my experiences, don’t know what I do and do not know. I am totally serious, small man, that this indecisive, mornic, childlike, narcissitic, thin-skinned arsewipe in the White House is leading not only this nation, but the entire world with it, down the road to ruin.

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 3:40 PM

I don’t know you at all.
I’m basing it purely on what you say here.
You have nothing to offer except for snarky insults and silly “he’s your Messiah!’ bits.
Not serious at all.
Yours just isn’t criticism worth taking seriously.
Maybe some get a good chuckle from your ‘you’re interrupting his Golf game!’ jokes,
but those aren’t even original.

In the meantime, there’s some real stuff going on – of which your personal animus about Barack Obama is irrelevant.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Obama is on the side of genocide and murder. There is no other explanation. And you support him–wholeheartedly.

Vanceone on August 7, 2014 at 3:43 PM

What sadly too often passes for analysis here.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 4:02 PM

I offered plenty, Bunky. I think we should 1. Arm and resupply the Peshmurga and 2. Offer both sorts of aerial support to the Yazidis. The FACT that you choose to IGNORE that I posted BOTH those proves who is “unserious” here.

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Iraq violence
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canopfor on August 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

You still didn’t answer. The question was about complexity. I’m not surprised that you don’t want to answer.

Were you right then?

Yes, and I’m right now, too.

This was the question.

But you and Obama acted like all these type of decisions were easy between 2001 and 2008. Were you wrong then, or are you wrong now? Which is it?

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 2:53 PM

These type of decisions weren’t clear and easy then, and they’re not clear and easy now. People like you and Obama pretended that they were. That’s why Obama promised to close Gitmo, but still hasn’t.

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Instead, the one person you like to claim is “serious” dithers and dithers and dithers in situation after situation, causing IMMENSE loss of life and turning this entire country into the laughingstock of the planet – but hey – he’s “serious.”

PJ Emeritus on August 7, 2014 at 4:05 PM

I was right then that invading Iraq was a terrible idea.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Please tell us what decision you would have made instead?

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 4:06 PM

If only you racists hadn’t prevented post-election Obama from fixing the problems in Iraq and Afghanistan (and Libya and Russia) using his skills, experience, judgment, knowledge, and abilities then we wouldn’t even need to have this discussion today.

rogerb on August 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

You’re a clown show, bro.

Your full-throated fellatio of obama on every thread is getting a little embarrassing.

ISIS has been running wild thru Iraq for the past two months. obama has done NOTHING. And yet, you defend him. You’re pathetic beyond words.

HumpBot Salvation on August 7, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Obama Admin Calls Islamic State’s Genocide Against Christians And Yazidis “Callous”…

If they were Hamas or their supporters, the Obama Administration would call it a war crime.

Resist We Much on August 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Has a Red Line been crossed?

Dino V on August 7, 2014 at 4:42 PM

If only you racists hadn’t prevented post-election Obama from fixing the problems in Iraq and Afghanistan (and Libya and Russia) using his skills, experience, judgment, knowledge, and abilities then we wouldn’t even need to have this discussion today.

rogerb on August 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM

But when it comes to Iraq, we have none other than our distinguished Vice President proclaiming Iraq as ‘one of the great accomplishments of this Administration’.

I supposed that was then and this is now, and we’ve passed the expiration date….or did Bush sneak into Baghdad to sabotage that great accomplishment? /

Athos on August 7, 2014 at 4:45 PM

So let me get this straight, the Left’s (or at least Verbaluce’s) answer to “What Is to Be Done about ISIS?” is “Bush shouldn’t have went to war in Iraq.”

Quick everyone, to the time machines!

TarasBulbous on August 7, 2014 at 4:52 PM

I was right then that invading Iraq was a terrible idea.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Please tell us what decision you would have made instead?

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 4:06 PM

In hindsight, same one anyone would now…not invade Iraq.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 4:55 PM

In hindsight, same one anyone would now…not invade Iraq.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Quick everyone, to the time machines!

TarasBulbous on August 7, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Athos on August 7, 2014 at 5:06 PM

In hindsight, same one anyone would now…not invade Iraq.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 4:55 PM

In hindsight, there is still justification for invading Iraq, but we might do some things differently.

But hindsight is easy.
At the time, with the information available, 111 Dems in congress voted in favor of invading Iraq.

We don’t elect or pay the President to constantly say “gee, in hindsight, I guess I should have done something, or done something different”.

dentarthurdent on August 7, 2014 at 5:07 PM

In hindsight, same one anyone would now…not invade Iraq.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Please tell us what decision you would have made instead?

Or do you think that saying what actions you wouldn’t have taken is the same thing as saying what actions you would have taken?

corkie on August 7, 2014 at 5:14 PM

In hindsight, same one anyone would now…not invade Iraq.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 4:55 PM

In hindsight:
…maybe we shouldn’t have gotten involved in Vietnam….
…maybe we shouldn’t have ordered the CIA to try that invasion at the Bay of Pigs…
…maybe we should have had some defenses up around Hawaii in December 1941…
…maybe we shouldn’t have sent weapons and supplies to the anti-government rebels (some of whom call themselves ISIS) in Syria…
…maybe we shouldn’t have left an ambassador on his own unprotected and surrounded by terrorists in Libya…
…maybe we shouldn’t have rushed into this massive mess of government controlled health insurance…
…and on and on and on…

See? Governing by hindsight is just soooo easy.

dentarthurdent on August 7, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Somebody’s bombing IS in Iraq.

Resist We Much on August 7, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Bottom line, 0 blew Iraq. Too bad really. Had he stuck by it and done that which was necessary, this may have turned out very different. But 0 won right?

Bmore on August 7, 2014 at 5:21 PM

In hindsight, same one anyone would now…not invade Iraq.

verbaluce on August 7, 2014 at 4:55 PM

In hindsight we did. In hindsight 0 blew it.

Bmore on August 7, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Noah Rothman ‏@NoahCRothman 6m

“This is not the way it was supposed to be…” – Blitzer on Iraq http://hotair.com/?p=573166

Bmore on August 7, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Bunch of damned idiots. The lot of em!

Bmore on August 7, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Schadenfreude

Bmore on August 7, 2014 at 5:39 PM

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