Chris Matthews: This Obama mega-amnesty for illegals will be his Emancipation Proclamation

posted at 2:41 pm on August 7, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via RCP and Breitbart, I’m surprised more lefties haven’t already reached for this analogy to snuff objections to Obama’s power grabs. It doesn’t work legally — the Emancipation Proclamation was grounded in Lincoln’s war powers as commander-in-chief whereas Obama’s mega-amnesty would be grounded in … what, exactly? — but most Americans don’t care about constitutional niceties. Matthews is drawing a moral analogy. Lincoln liberated one group that was mired in second-class status, now Obama’s going to liberate another. I’m already looking forward to the artist’s rendering of O with a beard and stovepipe hat on the cover of Time when he finally does it.

Charles Lane sees it coming too:

There is obviously no analogy between slavery and the disadvantages the undocumented face today. Among many other differences, the undocumented arrived voluntarily, searching, often successfully, for a better life. Also, they established residence unlawfully, for which there must be some reckoning…

[But] the issue has this in common with slavery: It’s a long-standing debate over fundamental rights that the nation’s democratic institutions have proven incapable of resolving, leading to increasingly bitter partisan conflict…

There’s just one problem: Our system does not let the president make laws on his own, no matter how good his intentions. Lincoln himself was aware that he needed constitutional authority for the proclamation, invoking, plausibly, his power as commander in chief: Depriving the South of forced labor and making erstwhile slaves potential Union soldiers would help win the war, he argued…

In short, the broadest measure Obama is considering would be constitutionally dubious, politically explosive and flatly contradictory to his own recently expressed views.

Right, but the more you can sell it as an “emancipation,” the more the media will coo and try to bring the public around on it, constitutional warts and all. That’s one of the reasons I’ve been kicking around the idea of O doing all of this as a pardon rather than as “prosecutorial discretion.” The latter is dry and lawyerly, the former is kingly and magnanimous. It’s not quite emancipation — a pardon concedes that the subject has done something wrong — but it’s a grand gesture in the mold of emancipation. I guarantee you that he and his team have at least looked at framing amnesty as a pardon even if they ultimately choose another path.

One thing about Lane’s piece, though: What’s the timetable on deciding when “the nation’s democratic institutions have proven incapable of resolving” an issue? Ezra Klein’s piece for Vox made that assumption too in justifying bold executive action by O. If there’s a pressing policy problem and Congress is irretrievably deadlocked, the theory goes, then the president needs to step in. But … the Senate already passed an immigration bill with bipartisan support, as Obama himself noted during his presser last night. Clearly the Republican leadership in the House favors some sort of comprehensive deal; if Boehner had the guts to bring a bill to the floor, he might well end up with a majority of his own caucus in favor. Once the midterms are over, Republican leaders will begin to tremble at the thought that they haven’t pandered enough to Latino voters before 2016 and will immediately start babbling about comprehensive reform again. The odds of a bill early next year or even during the lame-duck session this year are fair. In which case, how has Congress “proven incapable of resolving” immigration? If you want to fill out this slavery analogy, America didn’t give up on resolving that issue legislatively until states started seceding and war broke out. Fast forward 150 years and the new touchstone of irreconcilable differences is John Boehner hemming and hawing a bit too long over whether to make a deal with Harry Reid. It’s bonkers.


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Some one should tell this idiot Matthews that these are not slaves.

Rovin on August 7, 2014 at 2:44 PM

And tell that idiot Matthews that REPUBLICANS worked to free the slaves from the evil Democrats.

dominigan on August 7, 2014 at 2:48 PM

the Emancipation Proclamation was grounded in Lincoln’s war powers as commander-in-chief whereas Obama’s mega-amnesty would be grounded in … what, exactly?

Obama’s contempt for the U.S. Constitution and the rule of law.

AZCoyote on August 7, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Matthews attempting to stay relevant.

By November of 2016, Chrissy and Man-ddow will either be mud-wrestling or making out on live TV to try to keep their ratings from bottoming.

It will be glorious to watch Chrissy and Randy get drunk together like they did in 2010 as Lib after lib went down in flames on election night.

BobMbx on August 7, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Maybe in the sense that it might cause another Civil War.

anotherJoe on August 7, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Who cares what Tingles says or thinks?

I’m sure the 4 people that watch him agree with him entirely.

Meople on August 7, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Someone’s going to have to pay the bill to resettle all these new immigrants–by force of law–and THOSE will be the slaves in this scenario–not the immigrants.

RBMN on August 7, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Isn’t there just a huge difference in the people being emancipated by The Won. Lincoln freed people who were brought here or were born here. Obama has people breaking the law to get here.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Who are we going to get to mow our lawns and clean our hotels when all the ILLEGALS get amnesty?

RedManBlueState on August 7, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Actually it should be Obama’s Anti-Emancipation Proclamation.

Lincoln freed, Obama enslaves.

darwin on August 7, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Can you imagine tingles going bonkers if W tried to do what he wants Obama to do now

The outrage and calls for impeachment. ….

Spittle some more there good buddy

cmsinaz on August 7, 2014 at 2:50 PM

8 hours until the polls close in Tennessee to defeat the amnesty shill Lamar Alexander.

Carr has a better idea, NO amnesty!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/07/tennessee-primary-guide-carr-looks-for-lightning-to-strike-twice/FoxNews.com

anotherJoe on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

I swear, is every single liberal and leftist out there just a crooked, corrupt, power hungry zealot? What is it some super secret prerequisite for becoming a Dimocrat or something? You have to be a lying, cheating, scumbag that would sell out his own mother in order to join the party?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Also, the Emancipation Proclamation really didn’t do anything. A presidential edict that determines the rights of individuals in another sovereign nation (e.g., the Confederacy) has no applicability at all.

blammm on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

What will historians call it – the Documentation Proclamation?

After reading the following NBC headline, just for one example, it was only my feelings of anger and disgust that kept me from laughing at its P.C. euphemistic stupidity:

Suspects in Border Patrol Murder Are Undocumented Immigrants

Drained Brain on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

I know a LOT of black teenagers who would work for the same wages as landscapers and housekeepers… wait … no I don’t.

RedManBlueState on August 7, 2014 at 2:52 PM

It’s going to be real interesting if the Republicans get control of the Senate, what is the prez going to do when he might actually have to make a decision on bill that reach his desk,

RonK on August 7, 2014 at 2:52 PM

8 hours until the polls close in Tennessee to defeat the amnesty shill Lamar Alexander.

Carr has a better idea, NO amnesty!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/07/tennessee-primary-guide-carr-looks-for-lightning-to-strike-twice/FoxNews.com

anotherJoe on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Whoever retires that fossilized dinosaur Alexandar has my support.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 7, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Actually it should be Obama’s Anti-Emancipation Proclamation.

Lincoln freed, Obama enslaves.

darwin on August 7, 2014 at 2:50 PM

^^^^^^
This says it all. I feel more like a slave to the Federal Government for every month that goes by. How much longer will we take it??

Deano1952 on August 7, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Maybe we’ll get lucky and a plague will wipe out our political class.

Ukiah on August 7, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Poll: Majority Of Americans Say Illegal Immigrants “Threaten Our Way Of Life”…

A majority of people in the United States say undocumented immigrants threaten their way of life and even the economy, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released Thursday.

Seventy percent said they believe these illegal immigrants threaten U.S. customs and beliefs. Eighty-six percent of Republicans hold that belief.

Nearly two-thirds said illegal immigrants are a burden on the nation’s economy, the poll found.

The survey found 45 percent said the number of immigrants entering the country legally should be reduced while 17 percent said more should be allowed to come. Thirty-eight percent said the current flow of legal immigration should remain the same.

More people in New England oppose illegal immigration compared to the rest of the country, the poll said. Nearly 80 percent of people in that region said undocumented immigrants threaten U.S. beliefs and customs.

Wait, what??? I thought the South was supposed to be the racist, bigoted, xenophobic region!

Resist We Much on August 7, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Obama is rivaling Lincoln for worst president of all time…

So we are equating amnesty for illegal alien criminals with the freeing of slaves (which the Emancipation Proclamation actually did not do, it didn’t free a single slave).

ConstantineXI on August 7, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Lincoln liberated one group that was mired in second-class status, now Obama’s going to liberate another.

Illegal aliens chose to break the law and come here (or stay here) illegally. They also choose to remain in their so-called “second-class status” — which suggests that that status must be preferable to them to going home.

Slaves didn’t voluntarily place themselves in their second-class status, nor did they voluntarily choose to remain in that status because they perceived it as more beneficial to them than going home.

If illegal aliens don’t like their “status” here, there is an easy way for them to change it (and it doesn’t require Obama to violate the constitution or any laws he has sworn an oath to uphold): get on a plane, train, bus, car, or whatever, and go home!

AZCoyote on August 7, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Matthews is a racist.

Schadenfreude on August 7, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Once the midterms are over, Republican leaders will begin to tremble at the thought that they haven’t pandered enough to Latino voters before 2016 and will immediately start babbling about comprehensive reform again.

They might want to disconnect the phones first, which… they probably will.

Ukiah on August 7, 2014 at 2:57 PM

There is obviously no analogy between slavery and the disadvantages the undocumented face today.

Then why make it, obama shit consumers?

I hope you all choke to death from it and stink for eternity. May you all rot…because burning in hell might eliminate the stench.

Schadenfreude on August 7, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Leftists are racists.

Schadenfreude on August 7, 2014 at 3:00 PM

It’s a movie, “How Chrissy Got His Tingle Back”.

What’s the timetable on deciding when “the nation’s democratic institutions have proven incapable of resolving” an issue?

How long did it take between South Carolina seceding and firing on Fort Sumter?

Some one should tell this idiot Matthews that these are not slaves.

Rovin on August 7, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Yet.

formwiz on August 7, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Of course the slaves were dragged to America against their will, while the illegals are swarming in on their own initiative, but I don’t suppose the amnesty cheerleaders give a damn about that.

I wonder how African-Americans will take this analogy. Will they just shrug it off, as leftists are wont to do? Or will they resent the implied comparison of illegal immigrants with plantation slaves?

Aitch748 on August 7, 2014 at 3:00 PM

I know a LOT of black teenagers who would work for the same wages as landscapers and housekeepers… wait … no I don’t.

RedManBlueState on August 7, 2014 at 2:52 PM

FIFM. All teenagers regardless of race are LAZY, and entitled. No need to single anyone out.

Seriously, there are a lot of black conservatives (like me), who are in the closet.

The perception is the GOP is racist in a large part of the black community. No need to add fuel to the fire.

The GOP share of the black vote would easily be in the high 20%s- low 30%s if the perception was defeated.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 7, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Did I miss the story about slaves in the South illegally sneaking onto the plantations and picking cotton for darn near free?

I guess plantation owners never heard of fences and stuff.

BobMbx on August 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Matthews is drawing a moral analogy.

This is the vapid argument / claim we get when one who is intellectually, ethically, and morally bankrupt attempts to draw a moral analogy.

I don’t think they’ve gotten the clue that it’s hard to appear ‘Presidential’ when one votes present, leads from behind, petulantly whinges about a mean Congress, and spends more time on the golf course than attending to national security.

Athos on August 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM

I guarantee you that he and his team have at least looked at framing amnesty as a pardon even if they ultimately choose another path.

No doubt.

But a mass pardon for illegal entry or illegally overstaying a visa (and/or not filing/paying federal income taxes for years, using fake documents, identity theft, perjury on government forms, etc.) doesn’t give them the legal right to remain in the U.S. indefinitely, or to legally work here, or to be legally eligible for federal benefits, etc., which is what they want.

So that’s probably not going to work.

AZCoyote on August 7, 2014 at 3:03 PM

I swear, is every single liberal and leftist out there just a crooked, corrupt, power hungry zealot?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Yes, but I suspect you already knew that.

What is it some super secret prerequisite for becoming a Dimocrat or something?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

They never grew out of their jealous narcissist teenage years.

You have to be a lying, cheating, scumbag that would sell out his own mother in order to join the party?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Again, yes.

cozmo on August 7, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Well than I guess that makes me a Southern Democrat who doesn’t want it

CBWV99 on August 7, 2014 at 3:06 PM

I’d like an emancipated illegal to run into this ass clown in a dark alley. That will send tingles up his rear end.

Charlemagne on August 7, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Obama’s mega amnesty would actually destroy his own party we already know he doesn’t care about Latino’s…given he is letting their kids die in the desert and be raped. Mega amnesty would only enhance these atrocities ten fold.

sorrowen on August 7, 2014 at 3:08 PM

That’s one of the reasons I’ve been kicking around the idea of O doing all of this as a pardon rather than as “prosecutorial discretion.”

They would have to convict every one of them in federal court, first, and then grant a pardon. That would be the largest pardon in the history of the US. Also, they would all have to be convicted in DC Superior Court.

2. Federal convictions only

Under the Constitution, only federal criminal convictions, such as those adjudicated in the United States District Courts, may be pardoned by the President. In addition, the President’s pardon power extends to convictions adjudicated in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia and military court-martial proceedings.

I don’t really see that happening. I am sure they have though about it, but even Obozo isn’t that crazy. Or is he….?

Patriot Vet on August 7, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Tingle Chrissy scraping the bottom of the pan to bend over for Odumbo, trying to support something!

rjoco1 on August 7, 2014 at 3:13 PM

So these illegals are the property of other individuals? They were brought to this country against their will and are being forced to stay here? I don’t follow the analogy.

Doughboy on August 7, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Chris Matthews:

This Obama mega-amnesty for illegals will be his Emancipation Zimbabwean Proclamation

FIFY Chrissy.

viking01 on August 7, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Patriot Vet on August 7, 2014 at 3:10 PM

I see where you got that info, but it’s not correct.

President Ford pardoned Nixon, who had never been convicted of any federal crime.

AZCoyote on August 7, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Lincoln was very shrew to keep his emancipation within the confines of the war powers of the Constitution. He did not free all of the slaves — in fact, he did not free any of them upon the issuance of the proclamation. He only freed those slaves that were NOT in territories controlled by his armies. Meaning, the proclamation did not free the slaves in the areas under union control, but only the slaves under Confederate control. No one was freed. It was a promise to free in the future the slaves in enemy territory whenever they are liberated from the Confederacy. There was no war time justification for freeing slaves under union control. So. those slaves unlucky to be in territory under union control at the time of the proclamation would have to remain slaves until the 13th is ratified.

Very shrewd but very much within the letter of the law.

tommylotto on August 7, 2014 at 3:21 PM

RedManBlueState on August 7, 2014 at 2:52 PM

That’s odd because here in Northern Florida the guys who do the yards are grown white men. The guys who do the recycling and garbage collection are also, mail carrier is an older white lady. Now they are all private company jobs but still seem to like being employed.

Cindy Munford on August 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM

8 hours until the polls close in Tennessee to defeat the amnesty shill Lamar Alexander.

Carr has a better idea, NO amnesty!
anotherJoe on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Are there any other R’s running against Alexander except George Shea Flinn? The Fox article you linked to seemed to think this is a negative for Alexander. I would have thot it would hurt Carr. The Fox article says he put in a million of his own money; wonder how much the Rove/GOPe cabal has put in.

The NRSC & other GOPe’s back Candidates in order to draw votes from the Conservative/Tea Party Candidates. Just wonder if what happened in Kansas is happening in TN. This appears to be the pattern.

bluefox on August 7, 2014 at 3:27 PM

I see where you got that info, but it’s not correct.

President Ford pardoned Nixon, who had never been convicted of any federal crime.

AZCoyote on August 7, 2014 at 3:16 PM

You are correct. I don’t agree with that one, either. It is a moot point as it is.

Having said that, I am sure that trying to pardon millions would most assuredly push the GOP to ensure that at least that small hurdle is overcome should Jugears try that route.

I just hope that we don’t have to find out.

Patriot Vet on August 7, 2014 at 3:29 PM

I wish I wouldn’t have clicked on this. It just made me mad

maryo on August 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Like you Allah, but you’ve got the Lincoln analogy exactly wrong. The ‘Proclamation’ allegedly ‘freed’ those slaves ONLY in the non Union occupied South. Slaves continued to be ‘legal’ in those areas controlled by the union Army, and in the North. It was a political ploy on Lincoln’s part to foment black rebellion in the South (didn’t happen) and create a rallying cry in the North because the War was not going well for it. The War Powers Act had no force in law, as the South legally/Constitutionally seceded from the North (for reasons, to a great extent, unrelated to slavery, although it was an important issue, especially in the territories). The Federal government finally admitted as much when it required Loyalty Oaths and changes in the state constitutions of the seceded states as conditions for them to RETURN to the union. It took 10+ years of wholesale theft of ‘reconstruction’ before all the, theretofore, sovereign states were ‘permitted’ to return to Federal hegemony. Slavery, an odious institution and known in the South as the “peculiar institution” (practiced by less than 10% of the white populace, btw) would have ended apace, without the loss of 600,00 dead. The overarching question ref the War was, “Will the states continue to be sovereign per the Constitution, or subservient to the Federal government?” We now know the answer to that question and are now reaping the whirlwind of an overly powerful Federal gummint. Deo Vindice.

vnvet on August 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM

…shortly to be followed by Obama & the democrats Declaration of Dependence.

portlandon on August 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

I really don’t give a r.a. what Matthews thinks or has to say.

I’m much more interested in what Senator Sessions is doing and saying. He has a plan on putting Reid & the Dem Senators behind the eight ball. Another great article by him on Breitbart.

If anyone needs a reason to vote and try to take the Senate back, it would be to make Sessions the Majority Leader!! He has been leading the charge against this Amnesty and Obama’s e.o. plan.

This is what we need to be talking about, not the idiot Matthews.

bluefox on August 7, 2014 at 3:36 PM

If they say] ‘We don’t get a vote because Harry Reid is not allowing us to have a vote on this,’ [then ask] ‘Why don’t you vote against Harry Reid? Why don’t you oppose his leadership?’ It’d clarify that issue in an effective way, I think, and I think we can win—and then you have the one thing that politicians fear: That is having your clock cleaned on election day. I think there’s fear out there now, and people realize they’re not going to be able to get away any longer double-timing the American people on the question of immigration.

Senator Jeff Sessions, a Leader!!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/06/Exclusive-Jeff-Sessions-New-Media-Leading-Way-To-Defeat-Establishment-s-Amnesty-Obama-Agenda-Palace-Guard-Harry-Reid-Next-Target

bluefox on August 7, 2014 at 3:38 PM

If blacks in this country aren’t annoyed by a remark like that, then they’re not paying attention…

dpduq on August 7, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Hmm; wonder how the black population will feel about this dubious attempt at equivalence.

Midas on August 7, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Under attack for his amnesty support, pro-amnesty Lamar Alexander is using his final ad before the primary voting ends to lie to voters, claiming he voted to ‘end amnesty’ :
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/07/Lamar-Alexander-Claims-he-Voted-to-End-Amnesty-in-Deceptive-Ad?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

HotAir has never bothered to cover the race.

bluegill on August 7, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Matthews is mentally deranged.

VorDaj on August 7, 2014 at 3:44 PM

In the Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln did not free ALL the slaves.

He freed SOME of the slaves.

Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.

And by virtue of the power, and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States, and parts of States, are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons.

Just like all politicians, he exempted some of his friends and only attacked his political enemies.

If he thought slavery was so bad, why not say, “in all states and territories of the United States”?

barnone on August 7, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Still waiting for someone to let us know, if millions of latinos get to break laws to better their lives, what laws do the rest of us get to break to better our lives? Because i can think of more than a few i’d like to break that would better my life a whole lot. Or have our betters decided that only latinos lives are worth bettering and the rest of us lowly serfs just aren’t deemed worthy?

clearbluesky on August 7, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Bring on the Ebola.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 3:50 PM

The left wants to make this pathetic analogy? Fine. Let’s hunt down every illegal alien, ship them back to Mexico or Central America, then kidnap them, put them in chains, bring them back here, make them work for nothing, whip and hang them when they get out of line, strip them of every single right they have, and teach them the phrases “yes, masser” “no, masser”. Then Obama can deliver a fine speech and he’ll have his true Lincoln moment.

dorkintheroad on August 7, 2014 at 3:51 PM

I wouldn’t even give this turd a second thought if he didn’t pop up on HotGas every now and then.

Why hasn’t he been put out to pasture? Is it just out of respect on the part of the fascist statists?

MisterElephant on August 7, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Biden Admits Illegals Flooding Border Are Not Fleeing Violence In Their Countries…
One of the many things Biden is not good at: Keeping secrets.
Via Breitbart:

… On Wednesday, in remarks before a group of activists, Biden said the violence in Central America, is “bad, but nothing’s changed. Nothing’s changed in six months or a year, the neighborhoods are no more violent or less violent.”

http://weaselzippers.us/195710-biden-admits-illegals-flooding-border-are-not-fleeing-violence-in-their-countries/

DinaRehn on August 7, 2014 at 3:56 PM

It will cause some emancipation from jobs in the black communities for sure. No longer will millions of Obama’s people be slaves to employment. They will be free at last from any hope of having a working future.

HotAirian on August 7, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Yes, yes and yes.

MisterElephant on August 7, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Ukiah on August 7, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Please, please, please.

MisterElephant on August 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Chris Matthews: This Obama mega-amnesty for illegals will be his Emancipation Proclamation

Idiot.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Once the midterms are over, Republican leaders will begin to tremble at the thought that they haven’t pandered enough to Latino voters

Make no mistake, its not latino voters but the freakin’ Chamber of Commerce they are pandering to.

This issue was sprung fully formed about 10 seconds after the polls closed in 2012. “Oh noes! We Bepurblicanz must haz lost because Latino voteses!” which was absurd on its face and simply untrue mathematically.

But it does provide some ridiculous fragment of cover for the elites’ lust to import more cheap labor, whether it is Indian IT guys or Guatemalan nannies.

And as for those “leaders” of the Republicans, (those fortunates with the widest spaces at the trough)- they could care less which particular flavor of OurParty is dominant, as long as they themselves are not disturbed at their feeding.

Dolce Far Niente on August 7, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Bring on the Ebola.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 3:50 PM

It was posting on one of the other threads..

ToddPA on August 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Emancipation Proclamation or perhaps his Waterloo, Chrissie?

Don L on August 7, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Allahpundit:

1). I question the timing – what hasn’t the Liar-in-Chief done the deed yet?

At least in the near term, every day brings us closer to the midterms, every day wasted means that people will still be upset about Obama’s coup if his tries this stunt.

2). The Limbaugh theorem applies here – why would Obama want his fingerprints all over amnesty – especially if and when we suffer a terrorist attack from some who sneaked in over the porous border, courtesy of the Dear Leader.

Same thing for a disease outbreak or major crime explosion from the same source.

Will Obama want to be held responsible for these events or would he rather want be able to blame others?

DinaRehn on August 7, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Having said that, I am sure that trying to pardon millions would most assuredly push the GOP to ensure that at least that small hurdle is overcome should Jugears try that route.

I just hope that we don’t have to find out.

Patriot Vet on August 7, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Yes, but I don’t think the pardon route is going to get Barry to where the illegals want to go. He can pardon them for their illegal entries, for their illegal overstays of visas, for not paying/filing federal tax returns, for document fraud, welfare fraud, and the various other types of federal crimes that so-called “law abiding” illegal aliens routinely commit, but he can’t use his pardon power to legalize their future residence in the U.S.

To legally remain in the U.S., and to work and receive benefits here, they need some type of visa or other authorization, and as soon as Obama starts unilaterally issuing those (as he has done with the clearly illegal DACA EO), he is infringing on congress’ exclusive constitutional authority to regulate immigration.

Obama got away (so far) with the DACA abuse of power. He may try something like that again, with a different group of illegal aliens that he thinks are sympathetic. But the public mood has shifted since the border surge began, and the public (and congress) may not be so docile about Obama’s lawlessness next time he does it.

AZCoyote on August 7, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Where has the pressing need for policy reform? We have immigration laws that are not being enforced.

Techster64 on August 7, 2014 at 4:19 PM

America needs to take a hard look at what us happening to Europe. They are losing their country to immigrants.

Techster64 on August 7, 2014 at 4:21 PM

I swear, is every single liberal and leftist out there just a crooked, corrupt, power hungry zealot? What is it some super secret prerequisite for becoming a Dimocrat or something? You have to be a lying, cheating, scumbag that would sell out his own mother in order to join the party?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

You forgot “spiteful”, “vengeful”, and “eliminationist” (as they desire to be murderers, but are still too afraid to get their hands bloody)

HikaruKitsune on August 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Chris Matthews: This Obama mega-amnesty for illegals will be his Emancipation Proclamation

Emancipation? For whom, Chris?

Newtie and the Beauty on August 7, 2014 at 4:59 PM

I swear, is every single liberal and leftist out there just a crooked, corrupt, power hungry zealot? What is it some super secret prerequisite for becoming a Dimocrat or something? You have to be a lying, cheating, scumbag that would sell out his own mother in order to join the party?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM

You forgot “spiteful”, “vengeful”, and “eliminationist” (as they desire to be murderers, but are still too afraid to get their hands bloody)

HikaruKitsune on August 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM

True, but to answer the original question… ‘yes’.

Midas on August 7, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Chris Matthews: This Obama mega-amnesty for illegals will be his Emancipation Proclamation

Emancipation? For whom, Chris?

Newtie and the Beauty on August 7, 2014 at 4:59 PM

And from what, Chris?

Midas on August 7, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Chris Matthews: This Obama mega-amnesty for illegals will be his Emancipation Proclamation

Emancipation? For whom, Chris?

Newtie and the Beauty on August 7, 2014 at 4:59 PM

And from what, Chris?

Midas on August 7, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Rational thought comes to mind, but then that emancipation happened a long time ago.

EdmundBurke247 on August 7, 2014 at 5:09 PM

How long has Matthews been senile?

sadatoni on August 7, 2014 at 5:15 PM

If obama tries it, it will be the end of his administration, and very well may be the actual end of about 16-18 million illegals.

May the pyres burn long and bright.

Diluculo on August 7, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Emancipation? For whom, Chris?

Newtie and the Beauty on August 7, 2014 at 4:59 PM

And from what, Chris?

Midas on August 7, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Emancipation from the consequences of their rampant lawlessness.

Because in any just and civilized society, we want to encourage and even reward law-breaking, right Chrissy?

That’s what “freedom” is all about, isn’t it? The liberty to ignore any laws you don’t personally like or agree with, or which cause you inconvenience, or deprive you of some economic benefit you’d like to have?

AZCoyote on August 7, 2014 at 5:20 PM

If President Barack Obama grants executive amnesty and temporary work permits to millions more illegal immigrants “by the end of summer,” Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) suggested officials engage in civil obedience, instead of enabling Obama by implementing it.

“Their duty is to say no,” Sessions said. “Sometimes you have to resign your office.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/07/Jeff-Sessions-Urges-Civil-Disobedience-Suggests-Officials-Resign-if-Asked-to-Implement-Obama-Amnesty

bluefox on August 7, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Rush made a good point yesterday by saying that he doesn’t think Obama will issue an e.o. on amnesty. He had both houses under democratic control and didn’t do it. Rush said there is no positive in doing it, only blame. However, he wants to goad the Republicans in doing it, so they will get the blame.

Something to think about, since the stupid party is beating the drums.

bluefox on August 7, 2014 at 5:37 PM

O/T Montana Democratic Sen. John Walsh is dropping out of his Senate race after being dogged by allegations of plagiarism, potentially boosting Republicans’ chances of picking up the seat in November.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/07/dem-sen-walsh-drops-out-montana-senate-race/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29

bluefox on August 7, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Bring on the Ebola.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 3:50 PM

It was posting on one of the other threads..

ToddPA on August 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM

????

If the country is going to be deliberately ruined while idiots cheer it on then some hemorrhagic fever will at least speed up the commute.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Unintended consequences…
MSNBC loses the ratings war to Telemundo,
Tinkles loses his job because no one wants to listen to an old white guy spouting his liberal opinion in Spanglish with a Boston accent.

Catseye on August 7, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Somewhere George Orwell is laughing his ass off!

GarandFan on August 7, 2014 at 10:24 PM