MSNBC: “Total disconnect” between Obama’s rhetoric on economy and reality for voters

posted at 2:01 pm on August 6, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Worth a watch, especially on this particular network even though Morning Joe offers much more reality than most of the rest of MSNBC’s schedule. Today’s reminder of reality comes from Wall Street Journal’s White House correspondent Carol Lee, who points out that the sunny rhetoric from Barack Obama and his administration has a “total disconnect” to the reality for most Americans, as seen in the latest NBC/WSJ poll.

Time for another pivot?

“The President was campaigning, raising money in California a few weeks ago,” Lee notes, “and he was saying, ‘People feel better than they did five years ago’ … some of the folks who participated in this poll explicitly said that they don’t feel better than they did five years ago.” Lee pointed out one particularly bad metric in the poll, which was “the 79% of people who think their kids’ future is not going to be better than their own — I mean, that’s a huge number.”

Actually, the number is 76% rather than 79%, either of which is a huge number. In fact, it’s the highest in the NBC/WSJ poll series, far exceeding the 57% in June 2009 at the start of the recovery, and the 56% in September 2008 when the Great Recession sharply deepened. The last time this series asked that question was May 2012, and at that time 63% felt that the next generation would do worse than the current one. Today’s reading is the highest since September 1993, when the US had already begun a much more significant recovery than the Obama recovery of today.

Interestingly, though, the pessimism isn’t quite as apparent in the other question on America’s future. Six in ten believe America is in a state of decline, as opposed to 38% who don’t, but that’s hardly the worst result in the series. In September 2008, again at the crest of the Great Recession, 74% thought America was in a state of decline. By January 2011, though, the question got a 54/42 for decline, so the 60/38 shows that even that wan optimism has ebbed away a bit.

On the other hand, 50% now think the economy is recovering, although 23% believe it’s only doing so for the wealthy. Bragging about the stock market probably won’t help Obama on this score, in other words. Only 27% believe that Obamanomics is lifting all boats in this recovery, and 47% don’t think we’re improving at all.

Lee and Joe Scarborough are right about the “total disconnect” between the White House rhetoric and the reality on the ground for most Americans. That will make it difficult for Democrats to talk about the economy in the midterm elections, even though it’s by far and away the top priority for voters in this cycle, without looking like complete shills for an incompetent and out-of-touch administration. That’s why they’re planning to talk about immigration (also a disaster for Obama in this poll, by the way), contraception, climate change, and pretty much everything else that voters don’t care about in order to distract them from the failure of Obama on the economy. That only worked, though, when Obama was on the ticket — and after the last twenty months of incompetence, that sale won’t work a second time anyway.


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Like a laser, baby. Like. A. Laser.

bigmacdaddy on August 6, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Obama: “Who are you going to believe, my soaring rhetoric or your lying eyes!! Here, have a cell phone!”

Deano1952 on August 6, 2014 at 2:05 PM

MSNBC: “Total disconnect”

Fixed it for ya Ed.A quicker read.

can_con on August 6, 2014 at 2:06 PM

There’s a “total disconnect” between EVERYTHING 0bama says, and reality.

UltimateBob on August 6, 2014 at 2:06 PM

They’d better start lying harder.

forest on August 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Lee pointed out one particularly bad metric in the poll, which was “the 79% of people who think their kids’ future is not going to be better than their own — I mean, that’s a huge number.”

Obama: “Not a bug, but a feature. Well done, everyone. Now, about amnesty – where’s my pen?”

Midas on August 6, 2014 at 2:09 PM

the economy grows from the middle out. or something.

22044 on August 6, 2014 at 2:09 PM

And again: the difference between “pivot” and “spin” is frequency…eventually the peasants get dizzified, which is the purpose, of course.

Like a laser, baby. Like. A. Laser.

bigmacdaddy on August 6, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Absolutely, baby, ab-so-lute-ly

DublOh7 on August 6, 2014 at 2:10 PM

In fact, it’s the highest in the NBC/WSJ poll series, far exceeding the 57% in June 2009 at the start of the recovery, and the 56% in September 2008 when the Great Recession sharply deepened.

“Recovery”. I don’t think that word means what Ed thinks it means.

Bitter Clinger on August 6, 2014 at 2:11 PM

MSNBC: “Total disconnect”
Fixed it for ya Ed.A quicker read.

can_con on August 6, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Still unnecessary, most of their viewers did that years ago.

RINO in Name Only on August 6, 2014 at 2:11 PM

MSNBC: “Total disconnect” between Obama’s rhetoric on economy and reality for voters

And yet, Obama gets no blame for anything….

NoFanofLibs on August 6, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Remember “Recovery Summer”? Good Times……

KCB on August 6, 2014 at 2:13 PM

That only worked, though, when Obama was on the ticket — and after the last twenty months of incompetence, that sale won’t work a second time anyway.

Never count out the stupidy of a large part of the electorate that thinks dogbreath and the Dems “care and relate” more to them.

msupertas on August 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM

“Total disconnect” between Obama’s rhetoric on economy brain and reality for voters

Shorter and more to the point.

clear ether

eon

eon on August 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM

MSNBC: “Total disconnect” between Obama’s rhetoric on economy and reality for voters…

….but voting against him is racist.

CDeb on August 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Free condoms for everybody!

TarheelBen on August 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM

THEY.WOULD.VOTE.FOR.HIM.AGAIN.

djl130 on August 6, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Squirrel !!!!

cmsinaz on August 6, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Obama is growing the Dem base, and starving the GOP at every turn. He doesn’t care what anyone thinks.

- uses the IRS to go after GOP donors and activists

- gave GM to unions, and closed GOP donor dealers

- uses the EPA, DOJ, EEOC to harm/close GOP donor businesses

- will grant amnesty/voting to 30 million new Democrats

faraway on August 6, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Todd insists within this poll the main talking points for the gop are immigration and impeachment……ummmn…no…the dems are the only ones talking about it

Talk about misleading

cmsinaz on August 6, 2014 at 2:17 PM

Remember “Recovery Summer”? Good Times……

KCB on August 6, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Didn’t 5-time draft dodger Joe Biden come up with that one?

Actually, I’m still waiting for Hot Gas to start a thread about Uncle Joe calling the continent of Africa a “country” yesterday.

Either that or a thread about how yesterday O’bama referred to himself 68 times in a speech to that same African summit.

Del Dolemonte on August 6, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Obama in 2018: Hey I was just reading what was on the teleprompter.

Oil Can on August 6, 2014 at 2:18 PM

These rednecks are just too stupid and racist to realize how great everything is. al Qaeda is on the run because an even crazier group is overrunning the Middle East and GM is recalling more cars than it sells. Plus recovery. Put that in your pipe and smoke it RWNJs!

forest on August 6, 2014 at 2:18 PM

The recession hasn’t bothered Obama one bit. Time for another expensive vacation.

GarandFan on August 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Remember “Recovery Summer”? Good Times……

KCB on August 6, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Which one?

bigmacdaddy on August 6, 2014 at 2:20 PM

1,000-member secretive progressive journalist group uncovered

A prominent CNN commentator, the top two political reporters for The Huffington Post, a Reuters reporter, the editor of The Nation magazine, a producer for Al Jazeera America television, a U.S. News & World Report columnist, and approximately two dozen Huffington Post contributors are among the more than 1,000 members of Gamechanger Salon.

Founded by leftwing activist Billy Wimsatt, the group is a secretive digital gathering of writers, opinion leaders, activists and political hands who share information, ideas and strategy via a closed Google group.

The group’s existence was discovered by Media Trackers through an open records request filed with a University of Wisconsin professor who happened to be a member of the network.

Sally Kohn, formerly a Fox News contributor, now works for CNN reliably echoing pro-Obama Administration talking points and championing leftwing ideas as a network commentator. Kohn is also a member of Gamechanger Salon, and e-mails show that she occasionally approached the group’s membership and asked them to promote her television appearances.

Read the whole thing.

Del Dolemonte on August 6, 2014 at 2:20 PM

And yet, Obama gets no blame for anything….

NoFanofLibs on August 6, 2014 at 2:11 PM

How awesome is it that Hillary Clinton will probably take it in the posterior from Obama a second time.

2008 – Coronation stolen
2016 – Saddled with Obama incompetence

Poor dear will some how have to find some way to muddle by on tens of millioons of dollars and no ‘historic’ presidency

abnormal_1 on August 6, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Still unnecessary, most of their viewers did that years ago.

RINO in Name Only on August 6, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Lean Forward!!

Oops, too far, now you’ve fallen and can’t get up.

can_con on August 6, 2014 at 2:24 PM

1,000-member secretive progressive journalist group uncovered

[snip]

Read the whole thing.

Del Dolemonte on August 6, 2014 at 2:20 PM

I did. What’s the problem?

Walter L. Newton on August 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Read the whole thing.

Del Dolemonte on August 6, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Sounds kind of like journ-o-list, which was a private e-mail meeting of journalists during the 2008 campaign. They worked on such projects such as “How to address the Obama/Jeremiah Wright scandal” and “How to attack Sarah Palin.” It consisted of journalists from Politico, WaPo, various blogs, etc.

TarheelBen on August 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Barack Louis Obama XVI – The Queen.

Oil Can on August 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Wow, this is gonna upset Milissa Harris Perry so much, she’ll
resort to dangling USED Tampons from her ears.

ToddPA on August 6, 2014 at 2:32 PM

MSNBC: “Total disconnect” between Obama’s rhetoric on economy and reality for voters

Translation: Obama’s rhetoric is right, everyone’s reality is wrong.

Physics Geek on August 6, 2014 at 2:32 PM

I did. What’s the problem?

Walter L. Newton on August 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Nothing, as long as these same “journalists” would admit that they have an agenda to push instead of the reporting the truth.

Oh, and if they’re so proud of their progressivism, why are they so secretive about their little club?

Bitter Clinger on August 6, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Del Dolemonte
1,000-member secretive progressive journalist group uncovered

Anyone do a ctrl-f “Noah” yet? I kid. I kid.

can_con on August 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Translation: Obama’s rhetoric is right, everyone’s reality is wrong.

Physics Geek on August 6, 2014 at 2:32 PM

They will get so desperate that they will deny or try to redefine people’s realities.
Sometimes the religious left tries that with vain religious talk.

22044 on August 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Obama hates reality….hence his executive amnesty threat which in reality would cause extreme backlash.

sorrowen on August 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Right wingers just can’t grasp the fact that if you repeat something loud enough and long enough it becomes fact.

antipc on August 6, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Nothing, as long as these same “journalists” would admit that they have an agenda to push instead of the reporting the truth.

Oh, and if they’re so proud of their progressivism, why are they so secretive about their little club?

Bitter Clinger on August 6, 2014 at 2:35 PM

This is a nothing burger.

You don’t think that conservative journalist talk and plan and exchange ideas. tips, leads?

I didn’t know you were fooled by most any journalist and can’t tell from what side they are coming from.

Here’s a tip to help… Shaun Hannity is conservative. And so is Hot Air. NYT… liberal. My editor… liberal… MSNBC… liberal, myself… socially liberal. fiscally conservative.

There… now you shouldn’t have any surprises.

Walter L. Newton on August 6, 2014 at 2:44 PM

I did. What’s the problem?

Walter L. Newton on August 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM

The members of this organization include organizations that members are supposed watchdogs over. It includes Damon Silver, Policy Director for the AFL-CIO and CJ Grimes the National Organizing Director of the SEIU.

The group’s policy manual includes the statement:

“you wouldn’t want to be subpoenaed by a Grand Jury or broadcast on Fox News.”

Interesting. So what are they saying is worthy of a Grand Jury investigation?

itsspideyman on August 6, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Right wingers just can’t grasp the fact that if you repeat something loud enough and long enough it becomes fact.

antipc on August 6, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Only to morons who vote for Democrats.

cajunpatriot on August 6, 2014 at 2:45 PM

MSNBC: “Total disconnect”

Fixed it for ya Ed.A quicker read.

can_con on August 6, 2014 at 2:06 PM

LIV

Much quicker

Electrongod on August 6, 2014 at 2:46 PM

“The President was campaigning, raising money in California a few weeks ago,”

Has he done anything else during his presidency?

Campaigning is essentially ALL HE DOES.

Good Lt on August 6, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Bragging about the stock market probably won’t help Obama on this score, in other words. Only 27% believe that Obamanomics is lifting all boats in this recovery, and 47% don’t think we’re improving at all.

To quote the now-pro-government Obots who criticized the Bush Administration waaaaay back when, “that’s Wall Street, not Main Street.”

Good Lt on August 6, 2014 at 2:49 PM

The group’s policy manual includes the statement:

“you wouldn’t want to be subpoenaed by a Grand Jury or broadcast on Fox News.”

Interesting. So what are they saying is worthy of a Grand Jury investigation?

itsspideyman on August 6, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Nothing. That’s why they were warned. I guess freedom of association is not on your list?

Walter L. Newton on August 6, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Nothing. That’s why they were warned. I guess freedom of association is not on your list?

Walter L. Newton on August 6, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Try again, that’s pretty lame.

itsspideyman on August 6, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Try again, that’s pretty lame.

itsspideyman on August 6, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Your answer is pretty…er… nothing? I didn’t think you would be out of something to say this quickly.

Walter L. Newton on August 6, 2014 at 2:52 PM

If you think there’s a disconnect between rhetoric and reality now, just wait until the State of the Union Address.

EA_MAN on August 6, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Try again, that’s pretty lame.

itsspideyman on August 6, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Enough with the mis-direction trying to generate or plant conspiracy theory comments on a conservative website stuff.

Johnnyreb on August 6, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Time for another pivot?

Time for another speech. That will fix it.

antisocial on August 6, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Read the whole thing.

Del Dolemonte on August 6, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Sounds kind of like journ-o-list, which was a private e-mail meeting of journalists during the 2008 campaign. They worked on such projects such as “How to address the Obama/Jeremiah Wright scandal” and “How to attack Sarah Palin.” It consisted of journalists from Politico, WaPo, various blogs, etc.

TarheelBen on August 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Yeah, that was Ezra Klein’s group.

I see Ezra is part of the new Hot Gas thread too!

Del Dolemonte on August 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Right wingers just can’t grasp the fact that if you repeat something loud enough and long enough it becomes fact.

antipc on August 6, 2014 at 2:41 PM

I hear ya. Remember the good ol days of “Bush Lied, People Died.”

ToddPA on August 6, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Right wingers just can’t grasp the fact that if you repeat something loud enough and long enough it becomes fact.

antipc on August 6, 2014 at 2:41 PM

“I actually voted For the 87 Billion, before I voted Against it”

That was Kerry, remember that one??

ToddPA on August 6, 2014 at 3:02 PM

MSNBC: “Lean Forward”

Obama: “oh, you mean like, bend over?”

iurockhead on August 6, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Time for another pivot?

Time for another speech. That will fix it.

antisocial on August 6, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Only if that speech is at another fundraiser….without press.

Athos on August 6, 2014 at 3:06 PM

They’d better start lying harder.

forest on August 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM

They can lie harder? With every agency in the federal government pumping out bullshit by the ton and the Imperious reader leading the band, you’re saying they can lie harder? Oy!

This made my think of a new movie franchise!!

LIE HARD!

LIE HARDER!!

LIE HARD – LIE ANOTHER DAY

LIE HARD – LIVEFREEORLIEHARD Wait, didn’t HA troll use that one?

dogsoldier on August 6, 2014 at 3:07 PM

ToddPA on August 6, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Yep, and the best ones come from Nazi Nancy and DWS.

antipc on August 6, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Sounds kind of like journ-o-list, which was a private e-mail meeting of journalists during the 2008 campaign. They worked on such projects such as “How to address the Obama/Jeremiah Wright scandal” and “How to attack Sarah Palin.” It consisted of journalists from Politico, WaPo, various blogs, etc.

TarheelBen on August 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM

It also had members including Planned Parenthood, SEIU, etc. with journalists bent on moving pubic opinion in their favor.

Given Planned Parenthood is taking money to fund abortions, it’s nice to coordinate with the news writers a coordinate your message.

I guess a connection with the NRA and Fox News would be ok, to coordinate the right to bear arms and present favorable news prior to voting on gun rights.

itsspideyman on August 6, 2014 at 3:10 PM

They’d better start lying harder.

forest on August 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM

They’re about to bust a blood vessel right now as it is.

itsspideyman on August 6, 2014 at 3:11 PM

98% of the ironic MSNBC headlines here have to do with Scarborough. But this is somewhat misleading, as he is lucid half the time, which makes him atypical of MSNBC.

paul1149 on August 6, 2014 at 3:19 PM

To obama the decline is a feature, duh.

Schadenfreude on August 6, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Economy – it sucks, no matter what they say. The people know their own situation. Only 1%rs are better off.

Security – ISIS and the open borders. All sense this, all with a brain.

Schadenfreude on August 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM

“Barack Obama and his administration has a “total disconnect” to” reality.

Viator on August 6, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Lying liar lies. Nothing new for Obama.

In this case, I do think that it is a total disconnect and not him playing some political game. The man is not empathetic at all and isn’t very smart or informed.

jukin3 on August 6, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Ed and fellow Hot Gassians,

You might be very interested in knowing that, while MSNBC is largely a bunch of fluffers for The Pantload here in the U. S., the MSNBC outlets (website and live news appendages) spew constant [well-deserved] enmity for this immense phony. And, in fact, this mimics the majority opinion of the Japanese towards this dessicated turd of a phony.

The animosity began several years ago in the wake of Obama visiting Japan and promising them the moon when it comes to support and friendship and then IMMEDIATELY going to S. Korea and repudiating virtually everything he said when in Japan.

Source: Mrs War Planner, a daughter and native of Ni-hon and constant peruser of Japanese media.

The War Planner on August 6, 2014 at 4:07 PM

How bad is it when even PMSNBC has to give voice to the reality that President Precious has created.
If he’s lost them, is a President “Sloe-Joe” far behind?

Another Drew on August 6, 2014 at 4:17 PM

I am reminded of the stories of Hitler in his bunker, giving orders for the movements of non-existent armies.

myiq2xu on August 6, 2014 at 4:17 PM

If he’s lost MSLSD…

formwiz on August 6, 2014 at 4:18 PM

“the 79% of people who think their kids’ future is not going to be better than their own — I mean, that’s a huge number.”

Yet millions would vote for him again if given the chance…and I’m not even talking about the Cloward-Piven/Alinsky types, either. Just average, ignorant Americans who think government should do more for them.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 6, 2014 at 4:38 PM

MSNBC will be carrying water for someone to Obama’s Left.

njcommuter on August 6, 2014 at 7:34 PM

“The President was campaigning, raising money in California a few weeks ago,” Lee notes, “and he was saying, ‘People feel better than they did five years ago’ … some of the folks who participated in this poll explicitly said that they don’t feel better than they did five years ago.”

Employment-Population ratio:
5 years ago (July 2009): 59.3
Today (July 2014): 59.0

We are worse off now than we were 5 years ago.

ITguy on August 6, 2014 at 8:41 PM