In the end, it was just a cabal of elderly Democratic women Update: May Not Be The Case Update: MS GOP Won’t Hear McDaniel Challenge

posted at 8:01 am on August 5, 2014 by Matt Vespa

It’s official; Mississippi State Senator Chris McDaniel is challenging the results of the June 24 runoff, where incumbent Republican Senator Thad Cochran won by 7,667. Yet, his victory has been marred by allegations of vote buying and dirty political tactics revolving around racially charged radio ads.

According to Politico, McDaniel will make his case to the 52-member central committee of the state GOP to declare him the winner, whilst keeping the option to settle this matter into the courts. All of the evidence will be submitted to the committee outlining how Sen. Cochran allegedly stole the race from him.

As National Review’s Eliana Johnson wrote before the first bout in the Mississippi primary, the Hospitality State is anything but when it comes to politics. A major point of contention within this debacle surrounds racially charged ads that McDaniel supporters say smeared the senator.

So, who released them? Last month, Johnson reported:

The political-action committee that aired the ads raised eyebrows from the outset.

For one thing, it had the same address, phone number, e-mail domain, and leader — the bishop Ronnie Crudup — as the Jackson-based New Horizon Church International. Crudup told Mississippi’s Clarion-Ledger earlier this month that he founded the PAC and raised $200,000: “Some money from the Republicans,” some from African Americans. “I raised money from a number of sources,” he said.

As it turns out, Crudup raised all of the $144,685 his PAC took in from exactly one source: Haley Barbour’s political machine. A report filed with the Federal Election Commission reveals that Mississippi Conservatives, the political-action committee founded by the former Mississippi governor and Republican National Committee chairman and run by his nephew, Henry, provided that money to Crudup’s group in four installments. The first, in the amount of $62,685, came on June 10, a week after the race was thrown into a runoff. Cochran and his allies were looking to increase voter turnout across the state, particularly among African Americans and Democrats who had not voted in the June 3 primary.

Barbour’s PAC paid an Atlanta-based Democratic consultant, Mitzi Bickers, $44,000 for “phone services.” Barbour previously told National Review Online that he paid Bickers far more for live calls than for robo-calls and that he had not heard the automated call that went out. Asked to provide a copy of it, he did not.

Then again, it now seems was this radio offensive was the brainchild of a few elderly Democratic women? (via Washington Examiner):

 A Democratic activist has claimed responsibility for controversial radio ads that attempted to tie Mississippi Senate candidate Chris McDaniel to the Ku Klux Klan.

Ruth Harris, 65, of Jackson, Miss., said she and five other like-minded Democratic women pooled their resources to fund three radio spots urging voters to support Sen. Thad Cochran over McDaniel, a state senator, in Mississippi’s contentious June 24 GOP primary runoff.

Harris’ claim counters charges leveled by the McDaniel campaign that the Republican Establishment and GOP operative Henry Barbour were responsible for the ads.

In a telephone interview with the Washington Examiner on Monday morning, Harris said she has never met Barbour and doesn’t know how he ended up being linked to the radio ads. Harris also said she has never met either former Gov. Haley Barbour, Henry Barbour’s uncle, or Austin Barbour, Henry Barbour’s brother who advised the Cochran campaign.

“It was a group of ladies and I,” she said. “I don’t know how the Barbours even got [mentioned.] I’ve never met any of them.”

Well, the McDaniel campaign isn’t buying it. Noel Fritsch, McDaniel’s campaign spokesman, said in an email to the Washington Examiner that “Democrat activists don’t spend their own money in Republican primaries, and one way or another Republicans who engaged in this reprehensible behavior will be held accountable.”

I know some media outlets are calling McDaniel “the defeated Tea Party candidate that won’t go away,” but we shouldn’t fault his campaign for being furious about these ads; their candidate was being compared to the KKK and saying that he will go backwards on “race relationships between blacks and whites and other ethnic groups.” It’s outrageous. Sen. Ted Cruz even thought there should be an investigation into everything that went on during the runoff.

We shall see what happens now that a challenge has been filed. Shortly after the Fourth of July, the Associated Press reported that the window to settle this dispute was closing–and money is an issue for McDaniel; he reportedly doesn’t have the funds for a legal fight:

Money is a problem, too. Even after the Senate Conservatives Fund wired McDaniel $70,000 for his challenge, he begged for money. “We don’t currently have the resources to mount the legal challenge that this case deserves,” McDaniel wrote Wednesday in the latest of several emails soliciting donations.

State law and state history also make a successful challenge by McDaniel a long shot at best.

Mississippi law requires McDaniel to file his first election challenge with the state Republican executive committee. His campaign attorney, Mitch Tyner, said that is likely to happen next week. Ten days later, McDaniel could file a lawsuit in any county where he believes problems occurred. The state Supreme Court would appoint a special judge.

The general-election sample ballot must be given to local election officials by Sept. 10, which is 55 days before the Nov. 4 general election. That squeezes the time for a lawsuit and a new primary runoff.

I’m still convinced we need a little more time to flesh out the details regarding this fiasco.

UPDATE: The Clarion-Ledger reported earlier today that a Democratic operative called a Mississippi radio station repeatedly to make an ad buy, which turned out to be the radio spots in question:

The owner of a Canton radio station says that Democratic political operative Greg Brand contacted the station multiple times to discuss a campaign buy that ended up being controversial ads linking GOP primary challenger Chris McDaniel and the Ku Klux Klan.

Jerry Lousteau, who owns WMGO, said Brand called him just a few days before the June 24 primary runoff and asked if he could still make an ad purchase. Lousteau said he has never met Brand but had talked to him several times in relation to the Chancery Clerk special election. Brand was supporting and assisting then-Supervisor Ronnie Lott, who won the seat.

Lousteau said if Brand is denying talking to him or talking to his office manager about the ads, “then he is lying.”

Here’s a clip of the ad courtesy of the Ledger.

UPDATE II: Mississippi Attorney General’s Office is saying that Stephen Fielder, the man who gave evidence of vote buying, was paid $2,000 by McDaniel spokesman Noel Fritsch to make such claims; Fritsch has denied these allegations.

I reached out to Mr. Fritsch via email and he gave me this statement:

Charles Johnson [investigative reporter for gotnews.com] paid for the texts and emails Saleem Baird – a Cochran and Wicker staffer – sent to Rev. Fielder that strongly suggest Cochran paid $15 for Democrat votes. Those texts and emails are consistent with Rev. Fielder’s 20 minute interview in which he claimed Cochran staffers Amanda Shook and Kirk Sims paid $15 per vote on behalf of Thad Cochran, and we wonder whether Attorney General Hood will subpoena the emails and text messages the Cochran camp sent to Rev. Fielder about buying votes.​

UPDATE III: Today, Aaron Gardner over at RedState wrote his take on this development.  He also cites Johnson’s piece and Greg Brand contacting the radio station (see previous updates above) to make the case that this wasn’t “a few elderly women pooling the change from their sofas to launch one of the most offensive and racist group of political ads in the 2014 election cycle.”  It certainly raises questions.

UPDATE IV:  Missisippi GOP won’t hear the McDaniel campaign’s challenge to the runoff results (via Fox News):

Chris McDaniel campaign officials said Wednesday they will continue to contest Mississippi’s Senate Republican primary election after the state’s GOP said it won’t hear the Tea Party-backed candidate’s challenge.

The party’s decision almost certainly means that the McDaniel campaign will file a challenge in circuit court.

But Joe Nosef, the chairman of the state’s GOP, said Wednesday that the organization is incapable of reviewing the election.

“It is neither prudent nor possible in a single day for any political committee to process and review the significant amount of complex evidence necessary to make such a decision, and attempting to do so would be prejudicial to both candidates,” Nosef said in a statement.

Mitch Tyner, the lead attorney for the McDaniel campaign, said the candidate was “very disappointed” by the party’s decision.


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BTW, what was done in Mississippi was vile, despicable and unprecedented.

kakypat on August 6, 2014 at 9:47 PM

By whom?

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 1:09 AM

The NRSC, the RNC, and the Barbours’ PACs.

ANYONE and EVERYONE who had contributed money to them have great reason to suspect that their donations were and will be used against them.

They can’t be trusted.

NWConservative

You can’t even make this stuff up.

So when you write “what was done in Mississippi was vile, despicable and unprecedented” is that referring to the $1000 reward for a photograph of Thad Cochran’s wife in a nursing home?
Mississippi: the new Florida.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 1:24 AM

NWConservative didn’t say this.

“what was done in Mississippi was vile, despicable and unprecedented”

I did!

LOL at you!

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 2:53 AM

BTW, what was done in Mississippi was vile, despicable and unprecedented.

kakypat on August 6, 2014 at 9:47 PM

By whom?

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 1:09 AM

The NRSC, the RNC, and the Barbours’ PACs.

Yet you don’t know that for sure and the people you are defending played it as rotten as they could figure out how to.

They can’t be trusted.

Because they allegedly worked with the democrats, something that the tea party has done repeatedly to unseat republicans, or because they allegedly lied? Something that the McDaniel campaign has done as well?

NWConservative

You can’t even make this stuff up.

So when you write “what was done in Mississippi was vile, despicable and unprecedented” is that referring to the $1000 reward for a photograph of Thad Cochran’s wife in a nursing home?
Mississippi: the new Florida.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 1:24 AM

NWConservative didn’t say this.

“what was done in Mississippi was vile, despicable and unprecedented”

I did!

LOL at you!

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 2:53 AM

I didn’t address that to NWConservative, you added his name to the top of the post, not me. (LOL?)
You didn’t address the point, either. Is there anyone here who is a victim when people have been going after photos of invalids in nursing homes?

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 3:08 AM

You can’t even make this stuff up.

So when you write “what was done in Mississippi was vile, despicable and unprecedented” is that referring to the $1000 reward for a photograph of Thad Cochran’s wife in a nursing home?
Mississippi: the new Florida.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 1:24 AM

Sorry. Since you didn’t direct this to me, I thought you were speaking to NW Conservative.

I understand politics is dirty. That much I get.

However, when one donates to a party, one doesn’t expect to be vilified, and abused, by said party.

Please post a link to show it’s normal for the Barbours, the NRSC, the RNC or any other supposed Republican entity spent donor’s money to call the donors racists, bigots, and allude to them wanting to go back to the days of slavery. Please post a link to any party who vilified their members this much, and did it in collusion with their opposition.

Please post a link to prove where their actions in MS were normal…every day occurances.

It was done in the names of power, influence, and money.

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 3:14 AM

Because they allegedly worked with the democrats, something that the tea party has done repeatedly to unseat republicans

Prove that the TEA Party has worked with democrats.

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 3:17 AM

Because they allegedly worked with the democrats, something that the tea party has done repeatedly to unseat republicans”

“Allegedly” isn’t an option, anymore.

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 3:20 AM

Awesome, you just got caught in another lie. Read it again, I wrote “Booked the airtime is what the story says, it doesn’t say they were not behind the ads, regardless, it’s back to accusation and denial.(and we still are) It was the story that you linked to and somehow you want to insinuate that I haven’t done any reading on the subject when your own link undercuts the narrative you wish to push.

Please read the headline at the Washington Examiner.

The station manager of the radio station in question said it was not these little old ladies who asked for the ads to be placed, but Greg Brand, who is an associate of the Barbour-Cochran-BigGovernment re-election campaign and who Ruth Harris worked with on many occasions.

He’s denied doing it for whatever it’s worth, just like the McDaniel campaign denied having any prior knowledge of the nursing home break in to take photos of Cochran’s invalid wife.

Well there is actual evidence that he did place/ask for the ads to air and the radio station manager was stating outright that he was contacted by Brand.

But I love your equivocation. A Campaign asking for a takedown of a non affiliated supporter’s yet-to-be-seen photo of an adulterer’s wife is the same as colluding with democrats to create racist ads to smear an opponent and push for voter fraud. Well done.

What an absolutely asinine thing to say, though not a surprise coming from you. And of course you of all people would support handicapping the GOP when they are in power by putting the filibuster rules back in place, wouldn’t want a conservative president getting their nominees past the liberal democrats. Especially after they went bat crap crazy nominating all their wet dream judges to the federal bench.

I thought I explained that Obama would still be president for another 2 years. I thought that would be clear enough to a hockey puck. Who’s this conservative president in imaginary land? After you sit out the next election in protest will it be Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren?

Yep. So only democrats get to benefit from the fallout of their rule changes. Got it.

There is nothing lost by going back to the old rules, indeed it’s smart politics.

V7_Sport

Did you really expect the senate not to confirm anyone Obama nominated?

Yes, incredibly enough, you can’t wrap your head around what I wrote.

When Obama nominates Bill Ayers for the supreme court I expect you to back him 100% since the president always gets his nominees.

After you whine our way into another democrat run senate with Harry Reid at the head it wont matter who I back, THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT.

Oh yeah. Harry Reid at the head of the Senate calling conservatives racists vs Mitch McConnell at the head of the Senate calling conservatives racists and confirming Obama’s nominations and passing amnesty. Yep, real inspiring there.

Vote for me you racist nativists!

Oh I see you added the “et al” after Holder’s name, it does make your straw-man attacks easier doesn’t it?!

You brought up Holder. Thanks for demonstrating that you don’t know what a straw man argument is.

Yep. Talk about picking and choosing what you want to see. You pick up on Holder and not on the other names I mentioned. Just because they lost an election doesn’t mean they give up on their arguments. A year later they won back the HOR. The Senate Republicans knew about Holder’s past and still voted to confirm him.

Holder (R) Ayes (2009):

Alexander, Bennett, Bond, Chambliss, Collins, Corker, Graham, Grassley, Greg, Hatch, Isakson, Kyl, Lugar, McCain, Murkowski, Sessions, Snowe, Voinovich

And we are here again. Do you really expect that no one is going to confirm any of the presidents nominees? Yes, you do. Guess what? The world doesn’t work that way. Cry about it.

And here we are again, Democrats get to filibuster nominees from the GOP, but not vice versa. Got it.

So again:

When Obama nominates Bill Ayers for the supreme court I expect you to back him 100% since the president always gets his nominees.

We (as in the GOp or conservatives) aren’t in the same place we were after the defeat in 2008 going forward, however:
IF you whine our way into another democrat run senate with Harry Reid at the head it wont matter who I back, THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT.

Hagel was confirmed in 2013. Please explain why someone so anti-military was confirmed by the supposedly strong on national defense party? Apparently we can’t count on the GOP blocking anything the Obama administration wants.

The GOP is not in the same place as they were in 2008. They are now using Democrat tactics and donor cash against conservatives now.

I’m not the one who is supporting racists and people who advocated committing voter fraud.

McDaniel is a little angel. Right?

No one in politics is an angel. But I expect that politicians who nominally represent conservatives not to use the most vile attacks and shred the platform of the party to get elected. Because I expect that from Democrats.

Oh, so was Sharon Angle having associates air advertising saying other candidates were racists and KKK members?

No, she was just chosen over a viable candidate who would have won by Harry Reid to get beaten with the tea parties help. Well done.

Well since the liberal wing of the GOP just couldn’t abide that a conservative woman was nominated, potentially cutting their pork, they just had to get themselves some more Harry Reid.

But now that he is in office, he is our duly elected dictator right?

Not against a unified GOP congress.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 2:29 AM

Really? What would McConnell do that would stop our duly elected dictator?

NWConservative on August 7, 2014 at 3:37 AM

Yet you don’t know that for sure and the people you are defending played it as rotten as they could figure out how to.

They can’t be trusted.

Please check the FEC filings. NRSC money raised for Cochran’s racebaiting ads: Mitch McConnell ($50,000), John Cornyn ($50,000), Rob Portman ($25,000), Bob Corker ($25,000), and Roy Blunt ($5,000). The RNC also funded them with donor money along with the Barbour PACs and the US Chamber of Commerce.

Because they allegedly worked with the democrats, something that the tea party has done repeatedly to unseat republicans, or because they allegedly lied? Something that the McDaniel campaign has done as well?

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 3:08 AM

Where has the tea party worked with democrats to unseat republicans? That has only been working in one direction so far bud. See Richard Lugar’s endorsement of the Democrat in Georgia, Republicans for Reid, Mike Castle, Thad Cochran, and the party backstabbers Lisa Murkowski and Charlie Christ. Please link where it gives names. Not the politico “nameless, anonymous staffers” tripe.

NWConservative on August 7, 2014 at 3:54 AM

Conservatives in Kentucky need to press McConnell for action on this debacle. If he wants to endorse the corruption of the Barbour Klan in MS, then they can stay home home on Election Day in November. Simple choice. McConnell is in a unique position to force investigation of this issue as Minority Leader.

I suggest that just 30 phone calls to his office today and just two national radio shows raising the threat and he will move on it.

Jaibones on August 7, 2014 at 9:19 AM

You are/were with Y’all Politics?

I used to read it quite a bit, but stopped clicking on that link when it became obvious that it was shilling for the establishment. Just look at the headlines on today’s home page!

Y’all Politics

There is no pretense of objectivity. For someone who lives far from MS, and relied on that site for news, you can imagine my disappointment.

kakypat on August 6, 2014 at 7:45 PM

I helped Alan start MississippiPolitics.Com, which he transitioned to YallPolitics when we decided to go our separate ways. Since then, my involvement with YP has been only as an occasional technical consultant, not as a writer.

And yes, Alan is strongly in Cochran’s camp. That said, he’s my friend, which is partly my point: When I say I know that he didn’t vote in the Dem primary, I’m not speculating.

Larger point is: Say what you will about the nastiness of how the Cochran campaign behaved between the primary and the runoff (and as I think I mentioned earlier, I think the damage done won’t be fully evident for years to come), the McDaniel campaign has filed a laughable challenge. I don’t mean it’s just amateurishly done – I mean thousands of Mississippi voters are quite literally laughing at it. They’re calling each other up to rib their friends about being liberal double-agents, knowing full well their friends’ names are on the list erroneously. The filing has become a punchline in the most literal sense,

Again, the problem I want to point to is that too many Tea Party supporters haven’t learned the lesson from the RINO’s and the GOP establishment: Part of what got us to this point is that the party wasn’t disciplined enough, or was too emotionally attached to its candidates, to jettison the man when the man became a problem for the movement.

Lowering the bar little by little is how we found ourselves with a Senate full of McCains and Grahams and Cochrans, and that’s what too many tea party types are doing with McDaniel: Clinging to him long after the evidence is clear that his judgement and and the output of his campaign staff don’t meet the standards of the movement. It’s veering into a weird cult-of-personality thing, with all the usual problems that stem from it.

I’m not saying embrace Cochran or the people behind him – I’m just saying don’t rally around McDaniel simply because he’s The Not Cochran. We talk about demanding better and setting our stadnards higher – let’s actually follow through with that.

greggriffith on August 7, 2014 at 10:15 AM

I helped Alan start MississippiPolitics.Com, which he transitioned to YallPolitics when we decided to go our separate ways. Since then, my involvement with YP has been only as an occasional technical consultant, not as a writer.

Y,all Politics has turned into a Cochran turd bowl and every conservative I know in MS (a bunch) wouldn’t click into that site now for love nor money.

Larger point is: Say what you will about the nastiness of how the Cochran campaign behaved between the primary and the runoff (and as I think I mentioned earlier, I think the damage done won’t be fully evident for years to come), the McDaniel campaign has filed a laughable challenge. I don’t mean it’s just amateurishly done – I mean thousands of Mississippi voters are quite literally laughing at it. They’re calling each other up to rib their friends about being liberal double-agents, knowing full well their friends’ names are on the list erroneously. The filing has become a punchline in the most literal sense,

And then you resort to lying. This quote is a gutter lie and you know it. You ought to get the boot for being such an abysmal liar.
I hang in a couple different Republican circles and MS conservatives are pissed!!! Not at McDaniel, they are vivid with Barbour’s plan to put Thad back in and then have him retire a year later so Phil can appoint Henry. We all aren’t as damned stupid as Alan…

what too many tea party types are doing with McDaniel: Clinging to him long after the evidence is clear that his judgement and and the output of his campaign staff don’t meet the standards of the movement. It’s veering into a weird cult-of-personality thing, with all the usual problems that stem from it.

What utterly contemptible bullshit!!! There were huge illegalities in this runoff. I know it, you know it, everybody (R and D alike)in MS knows it and here you are trying to make another case against McDaniel. Let me give you a lil’ heads up Griff. This ain’t a cult of personality thing going on. We saw what was done. And we’ll make sure that Cochran is electorally punished for it. Many of us would rather have a political foe that we know is our foe in that seat than have a senile puppet put his derriere in it after allowing his campaign to slander the conservatives in MS.

We talk about demanding better and setting our stadnards higher – let’s actually follow through with that.

If we all set standards the way you and Alan do we may well see the disintegration of the party. So be it brother! Better to burn out than to fade away….

Musing Lew on August 7, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Sad to see this Griffith fellow either lying like a with or so deluded by Barbour lies. Musing Lew’s comment seems a lot more sensible. If Alan believes that Cochran is a cochroach, why support him? Because he thinks McDaniel’s team is amateur hour?

Jaibones on August 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Musing Lew and Jailbones –

Neither one of you seems capable of understanding the plain meaning of the words I wrote.

I am not a Cohran fanboy. I voted for McDaniel in both the primary and the runoff.

- Alan and I are friends, but we don’t see eye to eye on all things political. I thought I made that clear when I referred to the time when we decided to “go our separate ways.”

- Yes, there are plenty of conservatives in MS who have sworn off YP, but plenty of them haven’t. So if “every conservative” you know in MS has done so, all that says is that you don’t know any pro-Cochran conservatives in MS.

- About what, exactly, do you think I’m lying? That the McDaniel filing became a joke within hours of its release? That’s not a “contemptible lie,” that’s the truth. And remember, I say that as someone who voted for McDaniel… twice.

- Yes, I’m aware that the plan all along has been to get Thad back in, then have him retire in a year or two so Governor Bryant can appoint a successor. That’s the way this game works. I never said otherwise, and I never said I approved.

- Yeah, there were huge illegalities in this runoff. I never said there weren’t. But it appears neither side was beyond reproach here, as unfolding events seem to indicate. I’m not sure what your point is by bringing this up. I know there were shenanigans. I know both sides are guilty. And I agree that, given what we currently know, the Cochran campaign somes out smelling worse. But neither camp is odor-free.

- I’m not “trying to make another case against McDaniel.” This is in fact the first negative thing I’ve said about McDaniel – remember, I voted for him in both the primary and the runoff. And I’m not “making a case” – the ludicrous filing make the case for itself.

Do what anybody can do:

- Go to this link.

- Look at the second column of names.

- Go down 8 names to “Joshua Green”

- See how “Joshua Green” and “Mrs Geo Richard Greenlee” are listed twice… RIGHT FRIGGIN’ NEXT TO EACH OTHER. This is sloppy and amateurish in the extreme.

- Now look at the third name in that same column – “Deborah M. Good.” It so happens I know Debbie. Now go to the next page and look at the very last name on the bottom of the second column – there she is again.

- Now look on page 99. In the middle of the first column, and the 5th name from the bottom in the second column. Wilson Carroll and Alan Lange are two men I know quite well, and they most certainly did not vote in the Democratic primary.

Now consider that these are errors that one person has found by looking at only two pages of this filing.

What are the odds that these are the only errors in the entire document? Clue: Far, far less than the odds that this percentage of errors is present throughout the entire document.

Res ipsa loquitur: The filing is a joke.

And as far as this weird cult-of-personality thing, well… I leave both of your comments as evidence enough of that.

greggriffith on August 7, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Correction:

After “Go to this link,” you need to go to page 99 of the document.

greggriffith on August 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM

If this challenge remains unresolved, and Thad remains the GOP candidate for senator of Mississippi, then the establishment MUST pay for their stupidity!

If we are unable to get rid of the entrenched establishment members via the primary system, then as much as we hate to do it, we are gonna have to sacrifice a few seats, and do it with Dems.

If, ultimately, they are going to vote like a Dem anyway, then what good are they? Might as well teach the establishment a few more lessons while we are forced to suffer yet again.

Don’t care to hear the “But what about Supreme Court nominees”, or “If we just get control, then we can fight!” BS.. Establishment hacks ARE NOT going to block liberal Supreme Court nominees. We’ve already seen that. And the whole “We’ll be in a better position to fight NEXT TIME” has become a broken record that I no longer care to hear. It’s lip service, and anybody that still believes it at this point is an idiot.

Time to CLEAN HOUSE by WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY!

The establishment has already given us the blueprint for beating opponents in your own party. Let’s see how much they like it in return.

Ghostflames852 on August 7, 2014 at 1:06 PM

About what, exactly, do you think I’m lying? That the McDaniel filing became a joke within hours of its release? That’s not a “contemptible lie,” that’s the truth.

Yes, you are lying about this. Perhaps the side that would love to sweep all this under the rug want to portray the filing as a joke it is not widely interpreted that way.

Your attempt to cast those that support the effort to overturn this god awful runoff as partakers in a “cult of personality” is pathetic, demeaning, and insulting. Period.

I don’t care how you voted. I also don’t care that it was McDaniel (in particular) that this was done to. What I do care about is the MS Republican apparatus stooping to the tactics used and nullifying the votes of so many Republicans in this state. For that there is a growing movement among the base to punish all involved. A tsunami of backlash is coming in November. Grip the rails tight cuz its gonna be a bumpy ride for the establishment…

Musing Lew on August 7, 2014 at 1:22 PM

greggriffith on August 7, 2014 at 10:15 AM

First, as I said, I used to enjoy Y’all Politics a great deal, and applaud your earlier involvement. However, when I read the headlines now, I am reminded of MSNBC. It’s devolved that much. So, please forgive me if I take what your friends are saying as only anecdotal evidence. My friends and family are saying something entirely different.

I believe you aren’t understanding my point, at all. I don’t care about any filing, and don’t plan on reading it. I don’t believe McDaniel will win this, but applaud his stand against the corruption that took place. My main concerns occurred between the primary and the run-off.

The vile, despicable, underhanded tactics deployed by the Barbours, the MS GOP and, at the very least, the NRSC against fellow Republicans, painting those who would rather see McDaniel in that office as racists, coordinating with democrats and using Republican donated money to preserve their power is the worst form of political abuse I’ve ever seen in my life. I don’t believe they realize just how much damage they did, and not just in MS. In my case, unless some form of punishment is meted out, the damage they did is terminal.

I’ve been a donor to the party for a very long time. If this is how they choose to use my donations, then I will have to terminate them. As of today, the money I would have donated is now earmarked for a very nice trip to, either, Hawaii or the Caribbean. I wouldn’t dare go to Europe in the current political climate!

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Exclusive – Tea Party Patriots Citizens Fund Publishes Evidence Henry Barbour at Center of Race-Baiting in MS, Calls on Reince Priebus to Censure
A new white paper from Tea Party Patriots Citizens Fund puts a target on GOP operative Henry Barbour for his role in incendiary racial appeals in the Mississippi GOP Senate primary.

^new white paper link is a PDF, but not working for me.

Long article with many active links to make the case.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/07/Exclusive-Tea-Party-Patriots-Publishes-Evidence-Henry-Barbour-At-Center-Of-Race-Baiting-In-Mississippi-Calls-On-Reince-Priebus-To-Censure

bluefox on August 7, 2014 at 4:17 PM

As of today, the money I would have donated is now earmarked for a very nice trip to, either, Hawaii or the Caribbean. I wouldn’t dare go to Europe in the current political climate!

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 3:03 PM

I don’t blame you. Due to the NRSC/RNC/Rove/GOPe and others that use funds against us is the ultimate betrayal. I’ve convinced a family member to never donate except directly to a Candidate or trustworthy fund on their behalf.

Both parties are funded millions of dollars to work against the American people and it is Candidates that need the funds to defeat that.

bluefox on August 7, 2014 at 4:24 PM

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 3:14 AM

However, when one donates to a party, one doesn’t expect to be vilified, and abused, by said party.

Again, they deny that they did this.

Please post a link to show it’s normal for the Barbours, the NRSC, the RNC or any other supposed Republican entity spent donor’s money to call the donors racists, bigots, and allude to them wanting to go back to the days of slavery. Please post a link to any party who vilified their members this much, and did it in collusion with their opposition.

Please post proof that they did that. Especially that RNC money was behind that. Again, you have accused me of seeing what I have wanted to see, the idea that the Republican National committee is behind these ads is a new one.

Look, this started out as a scorched earth campaign and I think it’s safe to say it got out of hand. Hypothetically; if someone went after my invalid wife in a nursing home I would make it my business to see to it that they met with a worse end than an election defeat. Now I recognize I don’t have the temperament for national office but the idea that any of this just sprung up out of nowhere isn’t realistic.

It was done in the names of power, influence, and money.

Politics. OK, now what? Blame the usual suspects and use it as an excuse enable the opposition?

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Prove that the TEA Party has worked with democrats.

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 3:17 AM

You haven’t read anything I’ve posted? With Harry Reid to run Sharon Angle:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/seeking-edge-dems-meddle-in-gop-races-107346.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/can-democrats-keep-messing-with-republican-primary-voters/361825/

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Prove that the TEA Party has worked with democrats.

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 3:17 AM

Tea party activists looking to oust Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell in a GOP primary may get some help from an unlikely source: Democrats.
Big Democratic donors, local liberal activists and a left-leaning super PAC in Kentucky are telling tea partiers that they are poised to throw financial and organizational support behind a right-wing candidate should one try to defeat the powerful GOP leader in a 2014 primary fight.

I’m a Democrat and I helped the tea party unseat Eric Cantor

The truth is that Cantor’s electoral demise did not occur overnight. It was the culmination of more than four years of grass-roots organizing, from both the right and the left, to unseat him. Behind the scenes, Cantor opponents who otherwise had little ideological common ground cooperated in his demise. I know, because I helped engineer it.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 7:21 PM

Prove that the TEA Party has worked with democrats.

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 3:17 AM

DEMOCRATS HELP TEA PARTY TAKE DOWN ERIC CANTOR

By Lynn R. Mitchell

It has been a lingering question some have asked for a couple of years: could the Democrats have infiltrated the tea party and libertarian ranks to drive the internal takeover of the Republican Party and defeat Republican elected officials?

An interesting article in Friday’s Washington Post (see I’m a Democrat and I helped the tea party unseat Eric Cantor) seems to confirm those suspicions. Democrat Brian Umana wrote:

The truth is that Cantor’s electoral demise did not occur overnight. It was the culmination of more than four years of grass-roots organizing, from both the right and the left, to unseat him. Behind the scenes, Cantor opponents who otherwise had little ideological common ground cooperated in his demise. I know, because I helped engineer it.

After running the campaign of the Congressman’s 2010 opponent, Umana and other Democrats met with tea party members to form a campaign against Cantor:

After Cantor’s 2010 victory, a group of anti-Cantor activists from both left and right met in person to discuss campaigning against the man who would soon be majority leader. We met several times over two weeks at coffee shops and pubs in strip malls throughout the Richmond suburbs. At first, we were suspicious that one side was trying manipulate the other, but soon we developed a sense of trust over our shared frustrations with Cantor.

Naming names, he goes on to add:

Then we started discussing tactics. The tea partiers already knew how to mobilize the folks who showed up at tea party meetings: what they needed was a way to find supporters or potential supporters who were unlikely to bother with regular meetings. Stevens and I thought that a more organized attack from the right could help Democrats, too—either by prompting a future three-candidate race (which might give the Democrat a fighting chance) or by inducing a competitive Republican primary challenge that would force Cantor to burn cash protecting up his flank that might otherwise be spent on competitive races elsewhere.

He discussed how the Democrats were able to use public data to pull together a base of voter names. Tea partiers took over Republican positions of leadership and gained access to Republican voter rolls. Working together, they had a data base of targeted names that would be contacted to take out the Congressman, and the Democrats would benefit by removing a powerful Republican, making room for their own candidate in November.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Prove that the TEA Party has worked with democrats.

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 3:17 AM

Sorry for the repeat posts, if you post too many links it gets hung up in moderation.

Evidence Mounts That Michigan Tea Party Is Democratic Front

Activists Say Tea Party Imposters Infiltrating Elections

Really, why would any of this come as a surprise? The democrats want to defeat GOP candidates. The Tea party wants to defeat GOP candidates. Of course they would use each other.
There’s more on Google.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Prove that the TEA Party has worked with democrats.

kakypat on August 7, 2014 at 3:17 AM

They are making no bones about it…

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 7:32 PM

NWConservative

Please read the headline at the Washington Examiner.

I did. Here you go: “Democratic activists were behind controversial Klan ads in Mississippi”

Well there is actual evidence that he did place/ask for the ads to air and the radio station manager was stating outright that he was contacted by Brand.

Lets see it.

But I love your equivocation. A Campaign asking for a takedown of a non affiliated supporter’s yet-to-be-seen photo of an adulterer’s wife is the same as colluding with democrats to create racist ads to smear an opponent and push for voter fraud. Well done.

It wasn’t up, They didn’t ask for it to be taken down. Regardless, how did they know about it before it became public knowledge?

Yep. So only democrats get to benefit from the fallout of their rule changes. Got it.

Throw a tantrum because that’s reality. Maybe we should focus on winning the presidency. Oh wait, we can’t focus on winning the senate. What you are advocating will probably let the next democratic president pack the courts. If we luck out then we will have to do it the hard way or change the rule back.

Oh yeah. Harry Reid at the head of the Senate calling conservatives racists vs Mitch McConnell at the head of the Senate calling conservatives racists and confirming Obama’s nominations and passing amnesty. Yep, real inspiring there.

Oh well, perhaps you ought to find another country that will guard your precious feelings because that’s evidently the only thing you can keep track of.

Yep. Talk about picking and choosing what you want to see.

Because I ignored you long ago?

You pick up on Holder and not on the other names I mentioned.

It’s called an “example”.

Just because they lost an election doesn’t mean they give up on their arguments.

It means they have less political capital to pursue them.

A year later they won back the HOR. The Senate Republicans knew about Holder’s past and still voted to confirm him.

Too bad he got nominated. Too bad Obama got elected.

And here we are again, Democrats get to filibuster nominees from the GOP, but not vice versa. Got it.

Too bad we don’t have someone who is willing to use the Constitution to wipe his a$s like Harry Reid… Is that the way you want to play it? I don’t.

Hagel was confirmed in 2013. Please explain why someone so anti-military was confirmed by the supposedly strong on national defense party?

He served in the military. People were expecting better.

Apparently we can’t count on the GOP blocking anything the Obama administration wants.

You see, that’s a logical fallacy. Because Chuck Hagel was able to persuade people that he would be better than Leon Panetta, and he has been, doesn’t mean that “we can’t count on the GOP blocking anything the Obama administration wants”. They have blocked amnesty, cap and trade, assault rifle bans, etc, etc…

They are now using Democrat tactics and donor cash against conservatives now

The conservatives are using democrat tactics and cash against the GOP, what’s your point?

No one in politics is an angel. But I expect that politicians who nominally represent conservatives not to use the most vile attacks and shred the platform of the party to get elected. Because I expect that from Democrats.

So photographing invalids in nursing homes and paying people to lie are OK… Nothing vile there.

Well since the liberal wing of the GOP just couldn’t abide that a conservative woman was nominated, potentially cutting their pork, they just had to get themselves some more Harry Reid.

Yeah, that was stupid and infantile. You got used, rolled like the town drunk on payday and then laughed at by the Harry Reid campaign who used you to win another seat to continue on f-ing the country and you are incapable of learning the lesson so the next time the same dirty trick is played on you it will work and you will be right here blaming it on your scapegoats. You are that stubborn and that immune to seeing the obvious.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Too many links.

Well there is actual evidence that he did place/ask for the ads to air and the radio station manager was stating outright that he was contacted by Brand.

Lets see it.

Why, you will ignore it anyways since it doesn’t fit your presupposed conclusions.

But I love your equivocation. A Campaign asking for a takedown of a non affiliated supporter’s yet-to-be-seen photo of an adulterer’s wife is the same as colluding with democrats to create racist ads to smear an opponent and push for voter fraud. Well done.

It wasn’t up, They didn’t ask for it to be taken down. Regardless, how did they know about it before it became public knowledge?

Yes it was. Quit lying about this. It was public knowledge and was seen by hundreds of people before the McDaniel campaign found out and Melanie Sojourner asked them to take it down. The Cochran campaign KNEW about the video and held on to the information for almost THREE WEEKS to release it later to get maximum damage to the McDaniel campaign. Even so, the people involved were not on the direct payroll of the McDaniel campaign, they were private citizens doing this.

Unlike the Cochran staffer arrested for illegally removing signage from the McDaniel campaign.

Yep. So only democrats get to benefit from the fallout of their rule changes. Got it.

Throw a tantrum because that’s reality. Maybe we should focus on winning the presidency. Oh wait, we can’t focus on winning the senate. What you are advocating will probably let the next democratic president pack the courts. If we luck out then we will have to do it the hard way or change the rule back.

So you agree with your earlier statements. It’s “smart policy” to let the democrats get away with all this and not reap any of the fallout of their policies when nominal conservatives take power. When are you expecting Harry Reid’s check?

Oh yeah. Harry Reid at the head of the Senate calling conservatives racists vs Mitch McConnell at the head of the Senate calling conservatives racists and confirming Obama’s nominations and passing amnesty. Yep, real inspiring there.

Oh well, perhaps you ought to find another country that will guard your precious feelings because that’s evidently the only thing you can keep track of.

No, I already have democrats to call conservatives racists and grow government. Conservatives have no need for a GOP that fights for amnesty, welfare checks, and voter fraud. How much is Harry Reid paying you for all this? Since you tried “so hard to stop this.

Sounds an awful lot like you are one of those “rock-ribbed, gun totin’, bible thumpin’, life long conservatives who have HAD it with the Tea Party Wing of the GOP for not supporting welfare benefits and wanting to throw grandma from the cliff.”

Yep. Talk about picking and choosing what you want to see.

Because I ignored you long ago?

Yes because I sit here all day waiting for you to respond to postings, brave internet GOP true believer. It’s absolutely NOT because you are being deliberately misleading with your statements and moving the goalposts. Libfreeordie and maybe even Joanna gives better arguments than you. You are a bore.

You pick up on Holder and not on the other names I mentioned.

It’s called an “example”.

It is called a strawman. Still no response on why all those GOP senators just HAD to vote for anti-military Chuck Hagel. You agree that Obama gets whatever he wants still.

Just because they lost an election doesn’t mean they give up on their arguments.

It means they have less political capital to pursue them.

I agree with you here to a point. HOWEVER, they did not even have to be there, they did not have to vote for him. The democrats had COMPLETE control. The esteemed Republican Senators were falling over themselves to make it bipartisan.

A year later they won back the HOR. The Senate Republicans knew about Holder’s past and still voted to confirm him.

Too bad he got nominated. Too bad Obama got elected.

I wonder why that was? Maybe because we had a standard bearer who completely disregards the party platform and plays like a fiddle to the media? Maybe because he was completely blindsided when they turned on him and wasn’t prepared for a fight? Maybe when he opened up his ignorant mouth and blathered on about how “We have nothing to fear from a President Obama”?

And here we are again, Democrats get to filibuster nominees from the GOP, but not vice versa. Got it.

Too bad we don’t have someone who is willing to use the Constitution to wipe his a$s like Harry Reid… Is that the way you want to play it? I don’t.

And you support a different playing field for an incoming majority GOP senate. Let the Democrats reap what they’ve sown. What you propose is hamstringing the GOP and letting them get away with this maneuver.

Plus, the filibuster is not in the constitution. I would rather the filibuster be completely eliminated, let the votes stand on their own. Enough with this petty and cowardly actions to hide behind their “voting for it, before I voted against it” crap.

Secondly, the House of Reps is JUST as culpable on their being no budget just as much as the Senate is. If they don’t want the heat, then they should not ask to be elected.

Hagel was confirmed in 2013. Please explain why someone so anti-military was confirmed by the supposedly strong on national defense party?

He served in the military. People were expecting better.

It was all out in the open. He was known to be anti-Israel and anti-military. It was known and yet the GOP STILL let his nomination sail through!

So what are we to expect from a GOP majority as they still refuse to fight on anything?

Apparently we can’t count on the GOP blocking anything the Obama administration wants.

You see, that’s a logical fallacy. Because Chuck Hagel was able to persuade people that he would be better than Leon Panetta, and he has been, doesn’t mean that “we can’t count on the GOP blocking anything the Obama administration wants”. They have blocked amnesty, cap and trade, assault rifle bans, etc, etc…

That logical fallacy comment is rich coming from you.

Yes, Chuck Hagel has been great, cutting the army to its smallest levels in almost 75 years.

More Chuck Hagel gems from National Review:

Chuck Hagel said the Haifa port is costing the U.S. too much [and] that if the Jews wanted one, the Jews should do the fundraising

Hagel was one of only four senators who refused to sign a Senate letter supporting Israel during Yasser Arafat’s terrorist Intifada in 2000.

“The Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here” on Capitol Hill, Hagel told Aaron David Miller in 2008.

Cap and Trade was blocked because the US Chamber of Commerce was against it so of course the GOP was against it, if they came out in favor of it, most of GOP at that time would have been in favor.

Pat Toomey was the major pusher of gun control legislation in the Senate.

Mitch McConnell has pushed amnesty many times and was the Senate Whip during the Bush years amnesty push. He made absolutely no effort to block amnesty legislation in the Senate last year, and I am sure that should the opportunity arise, will vote for an amnesty if he is re-elected and will definitely push for one if he is not.

Amnesty keeps coming up because of the reliance of the GOP on cash coming in from people who are not friendly to the base of the GOP.

They are now using Democrat tactics and donor cash against conservatives now

The conservatives are using democrat tactics and cash against the GOP, what’s your point?

Not possible for democrats to unseat Cantor. That was debunked so many times by so many people. Not even taking the time to refute that.

The RNC is using donor cash to smear the base of the party (conservatives count for 80% of the GOP). Cochran was out and out campaigning for democrats to vote in a republican primary to keep himself in the reigns of power. The NRSC and others funded racebaiting advertisements calling people supporting McDaniel racists.

And here you are advocating that we should support these people after being called racists by them and after they ran on us cutting their welfare checks? Really?

No one in politics is an angel. But I expect that politicians who nominally represent conservatives not to use the most vile attacks and shred the platform of the party to get elected. Because I expect that from Democrats.

So photographing invalids in nursing homes and paying people to lie are OK… Nothing vile there.

Oh so we are now accepting hearsay and accusations as the truth now? I thought icky conservatives were the only ones who do that? Not surprising from supporters of big government, voter fraud, and racebaiting.

Well since the liberal wing of the GOP just couldn’t abide that a conservative woman was nominated, potentially cutting their pork, they just had to get themselves some more Harry Reid.

Yeah, that was stupid and infantile. You got used, rolled like the town drunk on payday and then laughed at by the Harry Reid campaign who used you to win another seat to continue on f-ing the country and you are incapable of learning the lesson so the next time the same dirty trick is played on you it will work and you will be right here blaming it on your scapegoats. You are that stubborn and that immune to seeing the obvious.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Sharon Angle really got under your guys’ skin didn’t she? If the other candidates weren’t such idiots and stopped talking about bartering chickens for doctor’s services, maybe we would not be talking about Angle today. They were weak candidates. Sucks to be you.

If Sharon Angle got the same Republican vote percentages as Harry Reid got from Democrats, she would have won. But you liberal “GOP” members just couldn’t abide by that, could you?

NWConservative on August 7, 2014 at 10:16 PM

It is not even about McDaniel at this point. The GOP leadership is full of corrupt hacks using donor money to fund voter fraud, racist ads, GOTV for democrats in republican primaries, and who support throwing out the GOP platform when they see fit.

Voting for those individuals in November or in any future primary and you are defacto supporting these vile and unethical actions.

Enough said.

NWConservative on August 7, 2014 at 10:29 PM

blockquote>Too many links.
Sorry to be telling you something you don’t want to be made aware of, but I don’t want to be accused of lying or withholding information so…

Well there is actual evidence that he did place/ask for the ads to air and the radio station manager was stating outright that he was contacted by Brand.
Lets see it.

Why, you will ignore it anyways since it doesn’t fit your presupposed conclusions.

Lame. Just, lame. Especially after you complain that I have backed what I wrote with too many links. I guess that means you don’t have any positive proof of your claim as I wrote ages ago. We are back to accusation, counter accusation by 2 politicians who have both been sleazy.

Yes it was.

I stand corrected.

The Cochran campaign KNEW about the video and held on to the information for almost THREE WEEKS to release it later to get maximum damage to the McDaniel campaign.

Provide some evidence of that. Provide a credible link or be discredited yourself. That sounds absolutely crazy.

Unlike the Cochran staffer arrested for illegally removing signage from the McDaniel campaign.

Did you call a waaaambulence?

So you agree with your earlier statements. It’s “smart policy” to let the democrats get away with all this and not reap any of the fallout of their policies when nominal conservatives take power.

What can be done to see to it that they don’t “get away with it” when Obama will still be president?
ANSWER THAT.

No, I already have democrats to call conservatives racists and grow government

Seeing as the republicans deny it…

Conservatives have no need for a GOP that fights for amnesty, welfare checks, and voter fraud.

Yeah, they have done all that in bazarro land. Even if they did,, now what? Take back the party or whine? You have obviously chosen to whine.

How much is Harry Reid paying you for all this? Since you tried “so hard to stop this.”

I loathe Harry Reid and am the person in this conversation who is trying to strip him of power. How much did he pay you to help REAL conservatives shoot themselves in the foot in a petulant tantrum?

Sounds an awful lot like you are one of those “rock-ribbed, gun totin’, bible thumpin’, life long conservatives who have HAD it with the Tea Party Wing of the GOP for not supporting welfare benefits and wanting to throw grandma from the cliff.”

No, I’ve had it with them for collaborating with democrats to lose elections for Republicans and not seeing that insisting on all or nothing often gets you nothing. Seriously, if there is an organized effort to lose an election to the democrats teach anyone a lesson over this I will have had it with them.

Yes because I sit here all day waiting for you to respond to postings, brave internet GOP true believer.

It sure looks it.

It is called a strawman.

You still don’t know what a straw man argument is, do you? Really. Conservatives aren’t that lazy. The first time I called you out on it you should have looked it up.

A straw man is a common type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on the misrepresentation of an opponent’s argument. To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.
The so-called typical “attacking a straw man” argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent’s proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., “stand up a straw man”) and then to refute or defeat that false argument (“knock down a straw man”) instead of the original proposition.

You brought up Holder! He was your example.

Still no response on why all those GOP senators just HAD to vote for anti-military Chuck Hagel.

That’s a lie. I responded by writing:

He served in the military. People were expecting better.
-AND-
Chuck Hagel was able to persuade people that he would be better than Leon Panetta, and he has been…

You agree that Obama gets whatever he wants still.

Now THAT’S a Straw man! It’s actually just a lie. but whatever.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 11:13 PM

I wonder why that was? Maybe because we had a standard bearer who completely disregards the party platform and plays like a fiddle to the media?

You still haven’t figured out the primaries yet.. And you aren’t.. just go on and ob and on over the same ground in a nice big circle. Fine.

You need to go find your own little island somewhere and rule it to your sliding scale of perfection. Here’s a place where you wont get your precious feelings hurt.

Thanks for making me repeat myself, explain simple concepts and correct the record for your outright lies. Do you really expect me to believe that someone who would post that the Cochran campaign let the video of his invalid wife float around for 3 weeks without saying anything just to do more damage to the McDaniel campaign has such a problem with ” vile and unethical actions”? You are just mad that it didn’t get your team in.
When the tea party collaborates with democrats? “too many links…. ”
If a sore loser says the GOP did the same thing despite denials from the democrats? It’s set in stone.

Voting for those individuals in November or in any future primary and you are defacto supporting these vile and unethical actions.

You heard it here folks, according to this obvious genius, if you vote you are vile and unethical. Don’t participate in government because it means you wont reach the ethical purity of NWConservative and his ability to see what ever he wants to.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Too many links.
Sorry to be telling you something you don’t want to be made aware of, but I don’t want to be accused of lying or withholding information so…

I wrote that because I had to remove links from my post responding to you so my post didn’t go into moderation (my first posting did).

Well there is actual evidence that he did place/ask for the ads to air and the radio station manager was stating outright that he was contacted by Brand.
Lets see it.

Why, you will ignore it anyways since it doesn’t fit your presupposed conclusions.

Lame. Just, lame. Especially after you complain that I have backed what I wrote with too many links. I guess that means you don’t have any positive proof of your claim as I wrote ages ago. We are back to accusation, counter accusation by 2 politicians who have both been sleazy.

I am not going to post twenty seven links just for you to ignore and move on to your next strawman.

The Cochran campaign KNEW about the video and held on to the information for almost THREE WEEKS to release it later to get maximum damage to the McDaniel campaign.

Provide some evidence of that. Provide a credible link or be discredited yourself. That sounds absolutely crazy.

READ THE LINK I just posted! They stated that they knew about the video posting for almost three weeks before they informed police.

Unlike the Cochran staffer arrested for illegally removing signage from the McDaniel campaign.

Did you call a waaaambulence?

You’re whining about some supposed wrongdoing from a tangentially linked character to a political campaign necessitates my pointing out that your guy’s actual campaign staff broke the law.

So you agree with your earlier statements. It’s “smart policy” to let the democrats get away with all this and not reap any of the fallout of their policies when nominal conservatives take power.

What can be done to see to it that they don’t “get away with it” when Obama will still be president?
ANSWER THAT.

So it is smart policy for democrats to remove the filibuster, cram the courts with their judges and then the republicans don’t try to do the same when they win and FURTHERMORE go back and LIMIT THEMSELVES by reinstating the filibuster senate rule and thereby EMPOWERS democrats to filibuster republican court nominations? How colossally STUPID is that?

Harry Reid just loves this I’m sure.

No, I already have democrats to call conservatives racists and grow government

Seeing as the republicans deny it…

Their actions betray their words. Keep sticking your fingers in your ears and stomping your feet, I’m sure someone will hear you. The democrats are sure loving it.

Conservatives have no need for a GOP that fights for amnesty, welfare checks, and voter fraud.

Yeah, they have done all that in bazarro land. Even if they did,, now what? Take back the party or whine? You have obviously chosen to whine.

They did just that in Mississippi. Pat Roberts tried to pull the racist card in Kansas. Lugar endorsed democrats, Bennett was constantly stabbing republicans in the back. McCain endorsed what went on in Mississippi along with funding it with McConnell and others in the leadership.

Yes, keep whining and stomping your feet about the tea party and the EVIL democrats. The GOP did it first.

How much is Harry Reid paying you for all this? Since you tried “so hard to stop this.”

I loathe Harry Reid and am the person in this conversation who is trying to strip him of power. How much did he pay you to help REAL conservatives shoot themselves in the foot in a petulant tantrum?

You sure as heck want to help him get his power back when he is in the minority this next January. And since all these GOP politicians are running on his ideas anyways, it can be a win-win for him. I’m sure his check for you is going to be in the mail soon.

Sounds an awful lot like you are one of those “rock-ribbed, gun totin’, bible thumpin’, life long conservatives who have HAD it with the Tea Party Wing of the GOP for not supporting welfare benefits and wanting to throw grandma from the cliff.”

No, I’ve had it with them for collaborating with democrats to lose elections for Republicans and not seeing that insisting on all or nothing often gets you nothing. Seriously, if there is an organized effort to lose an election to the democrats teach anyone a lesson over this I will have had it with them.

Well since you support bringing democrats in to vote for your guys in primaries, you should not be surprised when it happens on the flipside. The GOP is dirty. The NRA takes heads for betrayal. The Democrats don’t abide DINO politicians in their midst. But you expect the tea party and conservatives to sit back and take their politicians constant backstabbing?

Your fake outrage is noted.

Yes because I sit here all day waiting for you to respond to postings, brave internet GOP true believer.

It sure looks it.

Yep. I just sit here all day. Waiting for your next stupid comment to help Harry Reid keep more of his power.

It is called a strawman.

You still don’t know what a straw man argument is, do you? Really. Conservatives aren’t that lazy. The first time I called you out on it you should have looked it up.

You brought up Holder! He was your example.

You picked him and used him as your strawman by taking my quote out of context to try and refute the entirety of the argument. You have no response for Hagel or Kerry. Serving in the military does not equal good public service. We still have to thank the Senate Republicans for all three.

Still no response on why all those GOP senators just HAD to vote for anti-military Chuck Hagel.
That’s a lie. I responded by writing:

He served in the military. People were expecting better.
-AND-
Chuck Hagel was able to persuade people that he would be better than Leon Panetta, and he has been…

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Yes, nominating an anti-semite for that position that oversees our military assets is a great thing. Especially one who was seen to be an anti-military guy BEFORE his senate hearings and who followed through on the threat to cut the army down to pre WWII levels.

John Kerry also served in the military. So did John Walsh, John McCain, and Ted Kennedy. All have had horrible public careers.

NWConservative on August 8, 2014 at 12:12 AM

You still haven’t figured out the primaries yet.. And you aren’t.. just go on and ob and on over the same ground in a nice big circle. Fine.

The primaries are even more now front-loaded and biased towards expensive media states so that candidates who are friends of the leadership get a huge advantage. Not to mention the simple plurality system we have in place which assures that we get 20% candidates to the nomination.

You need to go find your own little island somewhere and rule it to your sliding scale of perfection. Here’s a place where you wont get your precious feelings hurt.

I’m not the one freaking out over the tea party. The GOP is not following their own platform and rules, but then has the gall to demand others to do so. Not going to happen no matter how much you scream and cry about it.

Thanks for making me repeat myself, explain simple concepts and correct the record for your outright lies. Do you really expect me to believe that someone who would post that the Cochran campaign let the video of his invalid wife float around for 3 weeks without saying anything just to do more damage to the McDaniel campaign has such a problem with ” vile and unethical actions”? You are just mad that it didn’t get your team in.
When the tea party collaborates with democrats? “too many links…. ”
If a sore loser says the GOP did the same thing despite denials from the democrats? It’s set in stone.

Simple concepts like reading and comprehension don’t fit into your little perfect racist worldview. Things like:

Saturday, April 26

The video goes public. Breitbart’s Matt Boyle says that the video “spread quickly, was viewed by hundreds of people, and made its way before long to McDaniel operatives.”

McDaniel’s team didn’t tell Cochran about the incident. But Jordan Russell, spokesman for the Cochran campaign, told The Hill that the campaign knew about it on the day it was posted. Russell told the Clarion-Ledger that people were emailing him with links to the video. After a few days, the campaign sent the video to its lawyers.

Thursday, May 15

Cochran’s lawyer informs the police about the photographs.

You are obviously not reading anything anyone posts here. You come in and carpet bomb threads with your insane GOP true-believer talking points. Quite the diva you are.

Voting for those individuals (Sens. Mitch McConnell, John Cornyn, Rob Portman, Bob Corker and Roy Blunt) in November or in any future primary and you are defacto supporting these vile and unethical actions.

You heard it here folks, according to this obvious genius, if you vote you are vile and unethical. Don’t participate in government because it means you wont reach the ethical purity of NWConservative and his ability to see what ever he wants to.

V7_Sport on August 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM

You heard it here folks, V7_Sport supports racists, defrauding your vote, and democrats voting in your elections for republican candidates.

I’m glad you finally got it off your chest V7_Sport. It would just be easier if we had two democrat parties right?

NWConservative on August 8, 2014 at 12:28 AM

“It would just be easier if we had two democrat parties right?”

NWConservative on August 8, 2014 at 12:28 AM

That is what we have. There is No Republican Party. We have the Old and NEW DemoRat Party in a nutshell.

Nat George on August 8, 2014 at 12:51 PM

IF !!! If I lived in Mississippi, and the McDaniel’s situation was not corrected, I would most definitely be voting Democrat as to not support this kind of behavior though.

The Democrat that is running does not seem all that bad.

Nat George on August 8, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Really? What would McConnell do that would stop our duly elected dictator?
NWConservative on August 7, 2014 at 3:37 AM

Well, McConnell is anti-coal. The GOP is so irrelevant and they don’t even know it.

Brock Robamney on August 8, 2014 at 5:26 PM

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