Video: Scarborough chides the “simpleminded” and “partisan barkers” on Hamas

posted at 2:31 pm on August 2, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

Allahpundit brought you the highlights this week of Joe Scarborough’s comments regarding the ongoing battles in the Gaza Strip, paying particular attention to his description of some of Israel’s actions as “asinine.” Well, not only did the comments section here go wild, but it was a repeated theme in conservative bastions across the web. As it turns out, Joe didn’t take kindly to the reaction and used his platform on Friday morning to clarify things a bit and take his critics to task.

“I didn’t expect the usual suspects to have the intellectual capacity to actually grasp a statement that didn’t neatly line up with their political punchlist for the do’s and don’ts of mindless political posturing,” the former Republican congressman said on air Friday. “So let me start with simple talk that even simpleminded people can understand.”

Scarborough went on to say that while the U.S. must stand with its close ally Israel and that Hamas is a terrorist organization, the large number of Palestinian civilian deaths are hurting the Israeli cause.

“The prolonged killing of children and women in Palestinian territories will only serve to weaken Israel and strengthen Hamas,” he said.

Let’s go to the video since it’s not all that long.

When I decided to write about this, I contacted Scarborough and asked him if he’d care to elaborate on this for Hot Air’s readers. This was his response.

As an unapologetic champion of Israel, I have always said that Hamas is a terror group that has to be destroyed or negotiated with. That’s because the Palestinian Authority has always been too weak to make peace with Israel unless they dragged Hamas along.

The terrorist organization’s recent troubles at home and its isolation abroad forced Hamas to strike a desperate alliance with the PA. Hamas’ falling fortunes also presented an opening for a lasting peace deal with Israel. But every dead child and woman that is pulled from the rubble of a Gaza school, hospital, or public market only Hamas stronger and a lasting peace deal more unlikely. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that a stronger Hamas is bad for Gaza, bad for Israel, and bad for the United States.

None of this is particularly shocking in terms of analysis of the Mideast conflict, though it always draws immediate and harsh responses in conservative circles. Believe me, since the latest round of fighting has broken out I’ve watched endless examples of these arguments overwhelming my Twitter timeline each and ever day. One of the chief stumbling blocks seems to be that it’s a given – and a fact – that Israel is our longest standing and strongest ally in the region, if not our only one in reality. But Israel is a nation with a government run by people like all the rest of the states on Earth. They face unique and deadly challenges which few, if any other countries have to deal with and do so on a daily basis. In light of that, they won’t always be perfect and will, from time to time, make controversial decisions which even their staunchest supporters won’t agree on. When you combine those facts together you have the recipe for a firestorm any time anyone says anything even remotely critical of their government, leading to immediate claims that the speaker must be a pro-Hamas, terrorist loving, double secret jihadist.

I’m not thrilled with the way things are unfolding right now, and frankly, the entire situation is a depressing, hot mess. I might be a bit more critical of some of Israel’s actions myself this summer if I could come up with a single, more productive suggestion for what they should be doing differently. But as I wrote last week, it’s difficult to see what benefit there is for the Israeli government to pursue a more restrained path at this point. Be that as it may, some of the criticism of what Joe originally said seems to be a bit over the top. Maybe it’s because I’m one of only a few people around this joint who watches the show regularly, but I’ve heard Scarborough speak on the subject of Israel and Hamas many times. He’s never shown any sympathy for the terrorists and offers more support to Israel than the majority of folks you’ll hear chatting about it on cable news. I’m guessing the difference between us on this question is that Joe is a lot more optimistic about the possible demise of Hamas than I am.

I don’t know if his prediction about how much this hurts Israel or helps Hamas in the long run is true, but it clearly wasn’t a defense of Hamas. And not everyone who offers a negative critique of any given Israeli policy is suddenly an anti-Semite or a terrorist apologist. And with that, I’ll go slip on my asbestos boxer shorts.


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What is wrong with this guy?

darwin on August 2, 2014 at 2:34 PM

“I didn’t expect the usual suspects to have the intellectual capacity to actually grasp a statement that didn’t neatly line up with their political punchlist for the do’s and don’ts of mindless political posturing,” the former Republican congressman said on air Friday. “So let me start with simple talk that even simpleminded people can understand.”

Fairly pompous prattle from a ignorant crapweasel.

Joe thinks very highly of his own intellectual capacity, apparently. He shouldn’t.

Midas on August 2, 2014 at 2:35 PM

He sits too close to Mika. Her cranial vaccuum is like a black hole … sucking whatever brain he has out.

darwin on August 2, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Moron Joe’s statement translates to; “The Jews should quit complaining and get into the damned ovens already”. Moron Joe can go to hell. Wish there was something that Trey Gowdy could prosecute the fluking Media over.

oscarwilde on August 2, 2014 at 2:37 PM

I have always said that Hamas is a terror group that has to be destroyed or negotiated with.

Scarborough Doctrine: “Negotiate with terrorists”

faraway on August 2, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Seriously. It is way past time to stop bothering with MSNBC and its 200 viewers.

Warner Todd Huston on August 2, 2014 at 2:38 PM

“Simpleminded” – can’t think of a better word to describe Mika.

bw222 on August 2, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Scarborough Doctrine: “Negotiate with terrorists”

faraway on August 2, 2014 at 2:37 PM

More Scarborough Doctrine: “Using women and children as human shields so they get killed – even if you have to kill them yourself – works.”

Midas on August 2, 2014 at 2:39 PM

He should have condemned Hamas for putting women and children in harms way. He should have noted Israel’s extraordinary efforts to minimize civiliam casualties, and that there are casualties because Hamas uses women and children as human shields.

darwin on August 2, 2014 at 2:39 PM

But every dead child and woman that is pulled from the rubble of a Gaza school, hospital, or public market only Hamas stronger and a lasting peace deal more unlikely. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that a stronger Hamas is bad for Gaza, bad for Israel, and bad for the United States.

That’s rather simpleminded, Joe. You make no distinction or allowance between the deaths caused by Hamas and Israel, and their motives. Israel goes out of it’s way to limit true civilian casualties, but is not perfect. Hamas goes out of it’s way to cause civilian casualties on both sides through indiscriminate rocket attacks and the use of human shields.

By your logic, Hamas could massacre their own people and it would make Israel look bad. Which is probably why Hamas doesn’t really care if Palestinians die at Israel’s hand or their own.

Buck Farky on August 2, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Meh…it’s just the old belief that the Jews should just take it and die. The mocking of those who disagree with this as stupid is a cute touch, though.

blue13326 on August 2, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Restraint would be disaster for Israel and would allow the bad guys to win. Now, unlike Scarborough, let’s work on correcting public opinion.

paul1149 on August 2, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Joe is an anti Semite and he eats babies.

coolrepublica on August 2, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Joe is an anti Semite and he eats babies.

coolrepublica on August 2, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Sounds like your type of guy!

darwin on August 2, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Wonder what Joe would have said about bombing Germany and Japan in WWII. There is only one way to win and it actually means victory. The muslim world only understands force or the lack thereof.

jukin3 on August 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM

What is wrong with this guy?

darwin on August 2, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Scarborough is an MS-NBC shill.

That’s where he gets his salary of at least 5 figures per week. Do you think Scarborough would jeopardize that salary by being anything more than a token conservative?

Another thing, when Republicans were soaring in the polls prior to the 2010 midterms, a prime catapult for us was the Ground Zero Mosque issue, where almost all Republicans were lining against the proposed idiocy, and the Dems were getting pilloried by standing up for the offense Mosque. Scarborough of course took the MSNBC / Democrat line of being all sanctimonious by standing up for the GZ Mosque (with an extremist Palestinian developer) and the Democrats.

And btw, the immigration issue is shaping up to be another major major boon for us at the polls, like the GZ Mosque issue. So don’t jeopardize that by getting all teary eyed about that issue like Boehner. And work like the devil to purge the amnesty shills from the party, and a major offender, with an Aug 7th primary, is the climate change pushing Lamar Alexander:

http://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/will-gang-of-eight-amnesty-vote-come-back-to-haunt-rino-lamar-alexander-21240/

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/14/Poll-Joe-Carr-Jumps-Sixteen-Points-In-Fight-Against-Lamar-Alexander

anotherJoe on August 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Joe, why can’t you talk about Hamas using civilians as human shields? hmm? You make it sound like Israel is only targeting civilians when that couldn’t be further from the truth..they have killed hundreds of hamas members and the civilians killed were forced to be in harms way by hamas or did it willingly to die for the cause….just educate yourself with the truth

sadsushi on August 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Scarborough Doctrine: “Negotiate with terrorists”

faraway on August 2, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Indeed, and you can’t, not just because it’s wrong, but because it’s futile. They want you to die so they will negotiate with you until you negotiate yourself into the noose and kicking the chair out from under your own feet. The only thing you can do is kill enough of them until they no longer have the numbers to move the rest of the willing idiots to their cause.

jnelchef on August 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

…I have always said that Hamas is a terror group that has to be destroyed or negotiated with…

Either we kill them or we have a nice talk with them over tea. From one extreme to the other. That’s not a policy, it’s the complete range of possible positions.

slickwillie2001 on August 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Joe..ok…So lets do it…

As an unapologetic champion of Israel,

So what? Being a supporter of the only modern democratic country in the Middle East is now somehow brave and thus should be commended?

I have always said that Hamas is a terror group that has to be destroyed or negotiated with.

They are a “Jihadist Group” or a “Islamist Group”. This concept of “Terror groups” needs to be retired. It is dumb because “terror” is a tactic used by almost every nation in history to win wars, and it can be applied by leftist in America to label people they don’t like as, “terror groups”. We used the “terror” tactic in WWII to win the war, Sherman used it in the American south to win the American Civil War, etc.

That’s because the Palestinian Authority has always been too weak to make peace with Israel unless they dragged Hamas along.

No…because they (the PA) have no interest in making peace with Israel…ever. They are just smarter in not letting the whole world see them as the complete lunatic jihadist group they are.

The terrorist organization’s recent troubles at home and its isolation abroad forced Hamas to strike a desperate alliance with the PA. Hamas’ falling fortunes also presented an opening for a lasting peace deal with Israel.

Joe…Muslim Jihadists groups and countries will never make peace with Israel. You might get a temporary peace with countries like Egypt, because they have a secular military government in now which means they have a common enemy with Israel, but you cannot expect it to last. Israel will always have to defend itself against its Islamic neighbors because they are infidels!

But every dead child and woman that is pulled from the rubble of a Gaza school, hospital, or public market only Hamas stronger and a lasting peace deal more unlikely. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that a stronger Hamas is bad for Gaza, bad for Israel, and bad for the United States.

Oh brother…thank god simpleminded people, like Joe Scarborough, were not running American military strategy in WWII. Even a goof ball like Bill Maher has figured out that women and children die in war, and it is acceptable considering Israel’s situation. Peace is not happening except at the end of a gun…I would rather Israel have that gun and not some Islamic group. Maybe Joe should spend more time educating his audience of why Israel has no choice but to kill women and children, but he knows who writes the checks that keep him employed…a National Socialist operation if there ever was one.

William Eaton on August 2, 2014 at 2:59 PM

So, in the “olden” days (heck, we are talking Biblical, here), the accepted response to raids coming across the boarder from another nation was to burn the offending nation to the ground, kill the men, rape the women, and ride of on their horses with their children tied to the back as slaves. The Muslims certainly did it often enough.
Civilized nations now hunt down and destroy raiders operating in their own territory so that neighboring countries aren’t tempted.

Count to 10 on August 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

The sad truth is that it’s a whole lot easier for most people to criticize Israel than to face the facts about the Muslim world, which in the greater Middle East and SW Asia, is governed by a gaggle of theocratic despots, semi-secular despots and medieval death cults.

The only positive for Israel’s future is that Iran is scaring some of Israel’s traditional enemies enough to make them tacit allies of a sort (and for a time).

hamiltmc on August 2, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Joe is an anti Semite and he eats babies.

coolrepublica on August 2, 2014 at 2:45 PM

You would enjoy dining with him no doubt.

oscarwilde on August 2, 2014 at 3:02 PM

I don’t know if his prediction about how much this hurts Israel or helps Hamas in the long run is true, but it clearly wasn’t a defense of Hamas. And not everyone who offers a negative critique of any given Israeli policy is suddenly an anti-Semite or a terrorist apologist.

The Morning Jew host is clearly trying to have it both ways. He says he supports Israel as an unapologetic champion. But then he goes on to say that Hamas is a terror group that has to be destroyed or negotiated with. YOU DON’T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORIST GROUPS.

And there isn’t one instance in history that shows Hamas has honored the conditions agreed to through negotiation. At best Joe Scarborough is a moron harboring no ill will toward Jews- just a naïve world view. The only solution is the complete destruction of Hamas. Razing their control posts, killing their leaders, salting the very earth they trod. Biblical-grade destruction (OT not NT).

As to the point that the civilian deaths will become a tipping point against support of Israel……. The media, UN, and allied groups already hate Israel and have done their best to focus on the deaths of those in Gaza without ever mentioning the fact that the cause are all those missiles raining down on innocent civilians in Israel. I’d be more assured that Scarborough was an unapologetic champion if he bothered mentioning that fact he and the Morning Jew crew gets together to bash Tel Aviv’s leaders.

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Joe is a faux Republican who is paid handsomely by MSNBC. He just sings for his supper.

Corporal Tunnel on August 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Wonder what Joe would have said about bombing Germany and Japan in WWII. There is only one way to win and it actually means victory. The muslim world only understands force or the lack thereof.

jukin3 on August 2, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Joe Scarborough pretends that the conflict between Israel and Gaza is a minor spat. Like the Rotarians and Kiwanis have a difference of opinion about where to put a new playground.

The reality is that Muslims don’t respect anything but the complete and total use of force. There is no negotiating with Muslim groups like Hamas. Hamas doesn’t even respect the PLA because they do negotiate with the infidel.

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Scarborough thinks he’s Presidential material. By current standards, he is. Maybe Mika could be his Sexretary of State and bring her Daddy along (don’t forget the Depends and drool-towels) for that extra needed advice. Little Willy could be his Press Secretary. There’s a job for everyone on that set.

gracie on August 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM

What did Joe have…1/2 term as a US congressman…like that would be 1 year and he quit ’cause the cops found a dead woman under his desk…Nice! Who was that by the way?

gracie on August 2, 2014 at 3:12 PM

I don’t know if his prediction about how much this hurts Israel or helps Hamas in the long run is true, but it clearly wasn’t a defense of Hamas. And not everyone who offers a negative critique of any given Israeli policy is suddenly an anti-Semite or a terrorist apologist. And with that, I’ll go slip on my asbestos boxer shorts.

I have been critical of some of Israel’s policies. For example selling military equipment to China or wanting the U.S. to jump into Syria (some in Israel and early on in the conflict) to get Assad. But I have no criticisms of Israel’s strategy in Gaza except that it has not gone far enough.

What Scarborough is pushing is a strategy that will lead to defeat for any nation, anywhere, when facing an enemy that is obsessed with wiping your nation off the plant. One side has to win, and one must be defeated. This middle ground, trying to find a compromise has to end.

William Eaton on August 2, 2014 at 3:16 PM

I might be a bit more critical of some of Israel’s actions myself this summer if I could come up with a single, more productive suggestion for what they should be doing differently.

Two points. First, this is the elephant question in the room that the simple-minded Scarborough and other such “pundits” are not being asked. They earn a living by having opinions; they don’t govern or run anything and there are no consequences to their actions. More correctly, they don’t take actions so consequences aren’t possible. They simply talk. Since Joe is so much more perspicuous than other humans – according to himself – what is it that he would have Israel DO.

Second, he’s simply wrong. Every child killed = weaker Hamas. That is his simplistic rubric for this war, kindergarten math. How many children died at Hiroshima, Joe? If Joe was less simple-minded, he could see to the next level of this labyrinth. If we consider that the death of innocent civilians is part of the Hamas war strategy itself, designed to generate exactly the simple-minded math of which Joe Scarborough is so fond, we might see that this is far more complicated than he wants to believe.

And, I’ll add a third, as a bonus:

Hamas’ falling fortunes also presented an opening for a lasting peace deal with Israel.

In other words, this is all Israel’s fault because all they had to do was negotiate an ever-lasting peace with those whose sole purpose for living is to kill every living Jew.

This is not simple-minded thinking. This is delusion. In today’s world, it probably qualifies Scarborough for a raise.

IndieDogg on August 2, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Hamas’ falling fortunes also presented an opening for a lasting peace deal with Israel.

Delusional. When Hamas is breaking every short term cease fire that is negotiated, how is “lasting peace” supposed to be possible? Old Scarecrow must be on dope or off his meds.

Red Widow on August 2, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Scarborough thinks he’s Presidential material. By current standards, he is. Maybe Mika could be his Sexretary of State and bring her Daddy along (don’t forget the Depends and drool-towels) for that extra needed advice. Little Willy could be his Press Secretary. There’s a job for everyone on that set.

gracie on August 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Don’t forget Rino Rex Christie (Fleece and all) for something…maybe bring back the “White House Crier”.

William Eaton on August 2, 2014 at 3:23 PM

all that scaraborough says is true except for one important aspect. What else can they do? If there is a viable option i haven’t heard it. Anything coming from Obama, state, Kerry et. al is just mindless foolishness. It’s easy to caution a “measured” response” when you don’t have killers who just as soon cut your throat as yawn right across the border. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do..

warmairfan on August 2, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Mika is one of the most simple-minded hags on TV. She beats Jeantel.

OT – mind your palate.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2014 at 3:31 PM

I see even Coolrepublica has ceased defending the indefensible. Now we leave a gift on the carpet & move on. Good Call Cool.

Scarborough seems, to give him the benefit of the doubt, to be one of those people who Want “nice things” to happen… he wants Hamas & Israel to come to terms..he wants an end to the fighting.

He can’t grasp or conceive that nice things are NOT possible with Hamas..so rather confront that, he just wanders off into Cloud Cuckoo Land, complaining about Nice not being tried or ineffectually wringing his hands…

Kind of like the Pope, sometimes….

JFKY on August 2, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Leave it to Joe and the rest of his network to define what doesn’t take a genius to figure out. I didn’t think it would take a genius to recognize that Hamas has been using sites with women and children to stockpile weapons and attack Israel. Morning Joke knows the real issues and problems – he isn’t a moron. He’s just gutless because he has to speak to keep his audience happy. All 4 or them.

JeffinOrlando on August 2, 2014 at 3:35 PM

It’s not just what he said, but how he said it. He could have made his point without seeming like an arrogant douchebag. Maybe if he did that, people would give him the benefit of the doubt.

Cyhort on August 2, 2014 at 3:38 PM

As much as we all hate Hamas, what is going to replace Hamas is going to be much worse. It is going to be a radical Islamist group instead of just power-hungry, corrupt people that despise Israel.

Asinine remark on it’s face. We didn’t defeat Germany by refusing to fight them because they’d just be replaced by something “worse”. This is just another one of the endless variety of ways to say “any engagement at all just encourages recruitment”, as though a lack of resistance somehow disincentivizes it. No, it doesn’t. It gives it free rein to launch attacks to and from schools, on civilians who are considered of less value than animals, from behind more civilians that have never had any other choice.

But every dead child and woman that is pulled from the rubble of a Gaza school, hospital, or public market only Hamas stronger and a lasting peace deal more unlikely. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that a stronger Hamas is bad for Gaza, bad for Israel, and bad for the United States.

A “peace deal” with Hamas is laughable, will never happen, and couldn’t be trusted if it was made. You know why we don’t negotiate with terrorists? Because they’re untrustworthy enemy combatants that refuse to abide by the rules of war and deserve no trust. They constantly target civilians in any way they please. That’s why we define them as terrorist and enemy combatants, Joe.

Hamas is not only strengthened but funded by Israel and the US when we supply not only monetary aid but material aid that is either confiscated by Hamas or allows Hamas latitude to use either without as much discomfort to the Palestinian population as would exist w/out those supplies and funding.
Those Palestinians know exactly who Hamas is. They are not dumb animals. No one in the US or Israel is stapling them to the chest of Hamas to provide protection.
There is only one way to weaken Hamas instead of strengthen them, and that’s to step all over them. Expect to keep doing it. Get really good at it and do it as often as necessary, because if you want to reduce their effect, that’s the reality you’re dealing with.
Islam has been hiding behind civilian casualties they created for decades – it’s about time Joe and the rest of the media acknowledge that fact, since so many of us already *do.

Recon5 on August 2, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Israel can’t stop.If kids get zapped too bad.They grow up to be big Hamas.

docflash on August 2, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Maybe it’s because I’m one of only a few people around this joint who watches the show regularly,….

Jazz must take 3 to 4 showers daily and have his TV firmly encased in bubble wrap or concrete.

StubbornGreenBurros on August 2, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Why is it so hard to say:

“Of course I wish something could be done about the loss of innocent children. No one wants to see this. I believe Israel is doing their best to avoid these casualties, but this is a war after all, and it is a war in which one side actually celebrates, and facilitates the deaths of their own civilians – while at the same time fires indiscriminately at civilian populations with unguided weapons.

“Rather than attacking Israel for both defending her sovereignty and working as humanely as possible through the use of leaflets, telephone calls and even the “roof-knocking” procedures to warn civilians of an imminent attack, maybe we should be working to changes the minds of the barbarians who hide behind their women and children and then celebrate and propagandize the inevitable losses they suffer.”

BKeyser on August 2, 2014 at 3:52 PM

AN OPEN LETTER FROM JOHN VOIGHT TO PENELOPE CRUZ AND JAVIER BARDEM ET AL “HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME”

Well worth the read and extremely well and bravely said of Mr. Voight.

thatsafactjack on August 2, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Joe Scarborough doesn’t want to even acknowledge that HAMAS is planting weapons near Civilians, inside a UN School, and using civilians as human shields…

Joe doesn’t want to acknowledge all of the steps involved, there are several, that Israel has used to try and get the civilians out of harms way before they start bombing an area or building…While Hamas has done what they can to keep civilians in harms way.

Joe doesn’t want to recognize Israel for anything they have tried to do to limit the civilian casualties, therefore, I will not recognize Joe Scarborough as an actual human being.

Joe…the former Republican….He needs to be in his own political party and call it the, “Nuthouse Party”.

Varchild on August 2, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Be that as it may, some of the criticism of what Joe originally said seems to be a bit over the top.

No. It wasn’t over the top. Scarborough and most of the idiot Western pundits don’t understand jack-all about arab or muslim culture and have not even a clue what would or wouldn’t work, as clearly evidenced by their constant mistakes in analysis and incorrect predictions over the decades – and these are the alleged “allies of Israel” I’m talking about, not the Jew-hating lowlifes who are always looking to blame Israel or the Jews fro every ill on Earth (such as Barky did when he first slimed into office and tried to pin the root of all evil in the world on Israel building apartments in the suburbs of Jerusalem, a city that Barky and his administration could not even utter in public … though they managed to get “Al Quds” out there easily enough …)

Scarborough is a moron and a fool. Let him take his advice and explain to us how America would lose WWII by following the tactics we did …

Israel’s only real mistake is not hitting Gaza and EVERYONE there hard enough. Not even close. Israel doesn’t want to do what clearly has to be done, just as we did in WWII with the Germans and the Japanese – which, BTW, just happened to turn them into two of our strongest and most trustworthy allies for well over half a century.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 2, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Joe Scarborough? WGAFF? — get with it HA or you’ll become just another meaningless click machine trying to increase your market value.

horatio on August 2, 2014 at 4:09 PM

If he was talking to the simpleminded why wasn’t he looking at Mika?

myiq2xu on August 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM

I think we’ve found the one person that gives a crap what that idiot Scarborough thinks or says

beedubya on August 2, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Joe’s reaction was kneejerk as is/was all of CNN. This time it really IS different. The tunnels. And the silence of so many Arab states. The furious reaction by not only Israel but the PA and Arab states to Kerry (and by extension, Obama) turning to Qatar.

This is the time to allow one side to actually win.

All ceasefires do is spare some people today so that others can be killed tomorrow and along with the media are the perpetuators of the ‘Cycle of Violence’. It’s the war, stupid.

MaggiePoo on August 2, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Maybe it’s because I’m one of only a few people around this joint who watches the show regularly,….

Jazz must take 3 to 4 showers daily and have his TV firmly encased in bubble wrap or concrete.

StubbornGreenBurros on August 2, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Good one, Burro.

Joe needs to come out of the closet already.

HornetSting on August 2, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Joe (and Jazz) – just so we’re clear. You two sound like everyone else, frankly. Those who truly understand what is happening d not speak of peace between Israel and the arab savages – because there never was peace and there never, ever will be. What Israel must do is what they have been prophesied to do for over 3,000 years – exterminate their (and God’s) enemies. This is the beginning, I believe. Maybe, just maybe, Israel has finally decided that this is the time to fulfill the prophesies – with Divine direction and help. Pray for Israel – or be cursed.

HomeoftheBrave on August 2, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Ratio of German/Japanese civilian deaths, caused by USAF/RAF bombing, to US/UK civilian deaths in WW2: Approx. 20-25.

Yup, time to apologize for that war.

Seth Halpern on August 2, 2014 at 4:39 PM

I’m so done defending the RINO jackassery of HotAir. Scarborough is a nitwit, of course, and anyone who regards him as a voice of reason, Jazz, must also have logical screw loose.

Israeli national defense is a remarkably simple concept, and yet you RINO jackasses have some sort of genetic inability to achieve moral clarity on it. You are the perfect dupes for Hamas terrorism — they kill civilians and you blame Israel. Pathetic.

Jaibones on August 2, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Those who truly understand what is happening d not speak of peace between Israel and the arab savages – because there never was peace and there never, ever will be. What Israel must do is what they have been prophesied to do for over 3,000 years – exterminate their (and God’s) enemies. This is the beginning, I believe. Maybe, just maybe, Israel has finally decided that this is the time to fulfill the prophesies – with Divine direction and help. Pray for Israel – or be cursed.

HomeoftheBrave on August 2, 2014 at 4:39 PM

I was wondering when Hal Lindsey would comment here.

corona79 on August 2, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Since JOE is so much “smarter” than the rest of us maybe he can tell what to do when you find a dead intern in your office.

http://newsninja2012.com/remember-joe-scarboroughs-intern-lori-klausutis-found-dead-in-his-office-while-he-was-a-senator-now-a-cold-case/

Scarborough’s office released a statement several hours after the discovery:

“My staff and family are greatly saddened by the loss of Lori Klausutis. I know Lori will be missed by the thousands of citizens who regularly contact my office to seek assistance with a variety of problems. May God grant Lori’s family the grace, comfort and hope that will get them through this difficult time.”

The Congressman returned to Florida that same day, and his office was quick to point out that it was not unusual for him to fly home for the weekend.

There was a great deal of ambiguity over whether Lori had suffered past medical problems. Scarborough’s press secretary, Miguel Serrano, made mention of health problems in Lori’s past, but could not be more specific.

If Lori’s death was just a simple accident, then why did Rep. Scarborough and his spokesman Miguel Serrano feel the need to go to two different local TV stations within three hours of her body’s being found and invent a nonexistent history of chronic medical conditions for
her — in other words, why did they feel the need to lie about Lori’s health?

warren on August 2, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Seth Halpern, I’m glad you’ve seen the light, plus the 40,000 French CIVILIANS killed in the Normandy Campaign.

I acknowledge that Nazi Germany is a terrorist state & I have no problem with the US & the United Nations dealing with them, HOWEVER, this senseless slaughter of civilians is asinine. For every child’s body pulled from the rubble, more hatred is born.

Britain, the United States & its allies MUST stop the foolish slaughter. I fear that if we continue this course of INDISCRIMINATE child & civilian slaughter, then what takes the place of Nazi Germany will BE FAR WORSE, THEN EVEN THE NAZI’S.

IF there is going to be a solution, a workable, long-term solution we MUST stop our campaign of Around the Clock Bombing, we must stop our indiscriminate air attacks on German, French, Dutch & Belgian targets, we must be more discrete in our application of firepower on the battle front, otherwise only a long-term policy disaster will ensue.

Thank you & good day, sirs.

JFKY on August 2, 2014 at 5:03 PM

What is wrong with this guy?

darwin on August 2, 2014 at 2:34 PM

What is wrong with HotAir

KBird on August 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Hamas has taken every opportunity to maximize the civilian casualties that occur during this conflict. Hamas has, with regularity, taken structures (such as medical clinics and schools) that are protected under the Geneva Conventions, and used them for military purposes (firing positions, arms depots, and command-and-control nodes). They have used THREE UN schools as ammunition storage areas. Their main military headquarters Is located inside the largest hospital in the Gaza Strip. When the Israelis return fire on these structures it is NOT a war crime – the war crime is Hamas turning a protected structure INTO A LEGITIMATE MILITARY TARGET.

But the “anti war” left is guilty of aiding and abetting the committing of these war crimes – BY INCENTIVIZING HAMAS INTO COMMMITING THESE ACTS. As barbaric as they are, the members of Hamas would not bother throwing their kids into the line of fire, unless they got something out of it. But they get a lot out of these evil acts – in return for the blood of innocents, they get anti-Israel propaganda.

By supporting and incentivizing the committing of war crimes, the “anti-war” left shares in the guilt in the shedding of innocent blood.

This includes you too, Joe.

SubmarineDoc on August 2, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Jazz, I was going to defend you, BUT then I read your intro… really, Hamas says they are going to destroy Eretz Ysrael…So it’s like meeting Ted Bundy… what are you going to do? Give up ONE of your daughters, as COMPROMISE?

Hamas isn’t likely to ever change. USE YOUR BRAIN.
Hamas Leader: “HoKay, you know the Charter calling for the Destruction of Israel. All that poetic language about trees crying out that there’s a Jew behind it?”
“Yeah, ALL WRONG. SORREEEEEEEEEEEE….the 160 children who died digging our tunnels, OOOOOPSIE….all the misery you’ve endured under our rule…. OUR BAD. Your Poverty, your bereavement, your sorrow… well we caused that by our intransigence.”
“So from now on, we’re all for a two-state solution. I’m sure all you will understand”
“Uh guysz, why-ya looking at me like that. Uh why the sickles? Uh can’t we talk this over???”
There’s no going back for Hamas. There’s DEATH or VICTORY. Hamas can’t change; if they tried either someone just as crazy would take their place &/or the Gazans would rip them limb-from-limb for all their failures & misery they’ve inflicted.
Given that, would solution is there? This may not be the time that Hamas is crushed & replaced, but if there is going to be any lasting peace, well Hamas has to be crushed & discredited… you know kind of like the Nazi’s & Japanese Imperialists were, & look the level of violence that took.

JFKY on August 2, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Jazz
WhatI find “asinine” about Joe’s comments on the current Gaza/Israel strife is the simple fact that although he recognizes that the “Palestinian civilian” deaths are PURPOSEFUL and INTENDED RESULT of Hamas, central to Hamas’ strategy to sway opinion against Israel using rubes like him in the press, yet there he is , opinion swayed.
Hes’ always been, and always will be, a tool.

B4B on August 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM

I have no more respect for Joe than I have for the usual BHL who weep about “all the dead children.” While they join the chorus of how heart breaking it is to hear of all the civilians being killed they really offer nothing to resolve the problem. Israel sitting quietly and hoping the rockets HAMAS fires don’t hit anything is nothing any other country would be expected to do.

If this is the type of support Israel gets from their friends, they need fewer enemies.

katiejane on August 2, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Is Scarborough’s intern available for comment on this?

tetriskid on August 2, 2014 at 6:13 PM

This is exactly why Israel should kill them all…we won’t have to hear this crap again.

Civilized countries never kill enough of the scumbags hence we have to fight the same damn battles over and over…kill them all.

Doomsday on August 2, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Meanwhile: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/29/israeli-soldier-admits-murdering-palestinian-civilians-was-a-pre-planned-act-of-revenge/

libfreeordie on August 2, 2014 at 6:18 PM

You won’t mind if a fair amount of skepticism accompanies a Facebook post, I’m sure.

Midas on August 2, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Meanwhile: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/29/israeli-soldier-admits-murdering-palestinian-civilians-was-a-pre-planned-act-of-revenge/

libfreeordie on August 2, 2014 at 6:18 PM

^^^ the Jew hatred is strong in this one. Iran could nuke Tel Aviv and she’d dig through the bowels of the internet for something … anything to blame the Jooooooooo’s.

darwin on August 2, 2014 at 7:08 PM

But every dead child and woman that is pulled from the rubble of a Gaza school, hospital, or public market only Hamas stronger and a lasting peace deal more unlikely. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that a stronger Hamas is bad for Gaza, bad for Israel, and bad for the United States.

It also doesn’t take a genius to figure out the following:

1. When you attack a nation…then purposefully put your own civilians in harms way when the nation you attacked defends itself…then YOU are solely responsible for ALL resultant civilian casualties.

The end.

Period.

2. Hamas – and ALL MUSLIM GROUPS – has ZERO interest in a ANY peace with Israel except as a tactic for rearming after they regularly get their teeth kicked in by the Israelis…hence…it is IMPOSSIBLE for there to be a lasting peace under such circumstances…hence…your entire “argument” is only so much moist mouth wind.

rvastar on August 2, 2014 at 7:16 PM

anyone who watches ANYTHING on MSNBC – including Scarborough – is a filthy lib rino squish.

Tom Servo on August 2, 2014 at 7:51 PM

http://m.vice.com/en_uk/read/israeli-racism-gaza-kleinfeld-511

Your allies.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Some one really needs to inform the media of the difference of a ‘Rocket’ and a ‘Missile’.

A rocket is launched and it’s going where it’s going…Ever heard of a bottle rocket???

A missile has guidance…it can correct it’s flight to the target…

Hamas uses unguided rockets…

Israel uses missiles to intercept the rockets….

…and to blow the living Hell out of specific targets…

BigWyo on August 2, 2014 at 8:06 PM

A shame Scarbrough wasn’t this concerned about the dead girl in his congressional office.

tommyboy on August 2, 2014 at 8:18 PM

This is unprecedented in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict,” says CNN’s Ali Younes, an analyst who has covered the region for decades. “Most Arab states are actively supporting Israel against the Palestinians — and not even shy about it or doing it discreetly.

Scarborough is such a dumb ass.

Vince on August 2, 2014 at 8:35 PM

47 percent dead terrorists is a pretty good batting average

TexasJew on August 2, 2014 at 8:39 PM

There is a reason I rarely read and comment on Jazz posts…..but……..LOL.

d1carter on August 2, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Meanwhile: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/29/israeli-soldier-admits-murdering-palestinian-civilians-was-a-pre-planned-act-of-revenge/

libfreeordie on August 2, 2014 at 6:18 PM

And, if true, that particular soldier will probably be prosecuted.

Compare and contrast – if he had been a Palestinian who intentionally killed a bunch of Israeli civilians, he would be hailed as a hero.

Libfree is a good example of how warped the leftist mind is. The exception (an Israeli soldier INTENTIONALLY killing civilians) becomes the rule in their twisted minds.

Hamas has been doing everything in its power to maximize the number of civilian casualties, while Israel at least makes a reasonable effort (consistent with the fact that this is a shooting war) to avoid civilian casualties. Yet the lefties only heap blame on Israel (or, at best, equivocate between the two).

The leftist mind is the psychological equivalent of a funhouse mirror. Everything is warped beyond recognition.

SubmarineDoc on August 2, 2014 at 10:40 PM

Those Palestinian “citizens” voted in Hamas knowing full well they would use the “citizens” as shields. Hamas main military headquarters is underneath a hospital. The Palestinian citizens are getting exactly what they voted for. Fuqk them! Israel should bomb the hospital too.

earlgrey on August 2, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Scarborough is such a dumb ass.

Vince on August 2, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Yeah, there’s a reason he’s an “ex-republican congressman.” When you’ve got sh!t for brains, even you can be as dumb as a bag of hammers Joe Scarborough.

earlgrey on August 2, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Thank You, Jazz!

jaydee_007 on August 3, 2014 at 2:47 AM

Your allies.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2014 at 7:54 PM

^^^ Supports genocide. Continues fine progressive tradition of supporting anyone who kills Jews.

darwin on August 3, 2014 at 7:32 AM

“The prolonged killing of children and women in Palestinian territories will only serve to weaken Israel and strengthen Hamas,” he said.

This is a true statement. Give us an alternative solution, Joe, other than having Israel lay down.

el hombre on August 3, 2014 at 9:23 AM

As an unapologetic champion of Israel, I have always said that Hamas is a terror group that has to be destroyed or negotiated with. That’s because the Palestinian Authority has always been too weak to make peace with Israel unless they dragged Hamas along.

Quite simply, this makes no sense. Anyone who could think, say, or write something like that does not deserve to be taken seriously.

Hamas’ falling fortunes also presented an opening for a lasting peace deal with Israel. But every dead child and woman that is pulled from the rubble of a Gaza school, hospital, or public market only Hamas stronger and a lasting peace deal more unlikely.

Neither Hamas nor the Palestinians are interested in a “lasting peace deal” with Israel. The following is from an article on a recent poll of Palestinians regarding the issue:

The responses indicate that fewer than 30 percent of Palestinians now support a “two-state solution”: a West Bank/Gaza Palestinian state in lasting peace with Israel.

So, given this information, which Scarborough obviously knows nothing about, what should a “lasting peace deal” in the Middle East look like? According to the Palestinians, it would be the complete destruction of Israel.

The Jews could do to the Palestinians what the Palestinians want to do to the Jews tomorrow, in a day. They could flatten Gaza and build a Kibbutz in the rubble. The fact that they don’t shows that they are a moral people. The fact that, were their respective positions reversed, the Palestinians would not hesitate, shows that they are not.

Given the constraints, both internal and external, under which the Israelis operate, what would a “lasting peace deal” look like. First, Hamas must be castrated. Once that is accomplished, the PA takes control, backed by Israel and the Arab Gulf states, who now share common interests in the Middle East. The PA, now grown old, fat, and corrupt, will keep things quiet as long as they can skim off the billions in aid that the UN and the Americans will pony up.

That’s it. Even that is a half-*ssed solution. But it is probably the best solution outside of annexation, which is looking increasingly plausible now that outsized Palestinian demographic information has proved to be false, to an absurd degree.

Joseph K on August 3, 2014 at 9:29 AM

Catch the female reporters reaction when he states, “the UN has long been known as hotbed of anti-Israeli sentiment”. Her head whips around and the glare.. lol.. She did not like that statement.

Ragnell on August 4, 2014 at 12:24 AM

I think Morning Joe has be doing some morning blow.

MCGIRV on August 4, 2014 at 1:38 PM