Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on August 2, 2014 by Allahpundit

“The IDF has neutralized many terror tunnels that took years for Hamas to build,” Netanyahu said at the start of his address. “The IDF has had many achievements and successes since the beginning of the operation, hitting thousands of targets, including command center, arms factories, and terrorists.”

“This is a complicated mission, in an urban area, with contact with civilian population,” He said. “I am proud of our soldiers who are doing an extraordinary job,” he encouraged the military troops…

“We have nothing against the citizens of Gaza that have nothing to do with terrorism,” he said, adding that The army will continue to operate until the mission is completed – to restore the security and quiet to the citizens of Israel.

“The IDF will continue its mission according to Israel’s security needs, and only according to them,” he concluded.

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An Israeli Cabinet minister says there is “no point” in trying to reach a Gaza truce with Hamas and that Israel won’t send a delegation to planned cease-fire talks in Cairo.

The minister, Yuval Steinitz, spoke Saturday on Israel’s Channel 10 television station.

His comments suggests that Israel plans to end the current round of fighting with Hamas on its own terms, rather than getting entangled in indirect negotiations with Gaza’s Hamas rulers.

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“This is unprecedented in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict,” says CNN’s Ali Younes, an analyst who has covered the region for decades. “Most Arab states are actively supporting Israel against the Palestinians — and not even shy about it or doing it discreetly.”

It’s a “joint Arab-Israeli war consisting of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia against other Arabs — the Palestinians as represented by Hamas.”…

“The Israel-Hamas conflict has laid bare the new divides of the Middle East,” says Danielle Pletka, vice president of foreign and defense policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute. “It’s no longer the Muslims against the Jews. Now it’s the extremists — the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, and their backers Iran, Qatar and Turkey — against Israel and the more moderate Muslims including Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.”

“It’s a proxy war for control or dominance in the Middle East,” says CNN’s Fareed Zakaria.

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The abduction of an Israeli soldier would provide Hamas with a tactical achievement that could strengthen its bargaining position. But it would have come at a cost: it placed Hamas on the defensive for violating a U.N.-backed cease-fire that offered Gazans their first greatest hope of relief in the 26-day long war. It also relieved political pressure on Israel, which was sharply criticized by the U.N. and the White House following reports that it shelled a U.N. shelter in Gaza on Wednesday, killing more than 16 civilians…

But if the Palestinians have him, his capture could take the two sides down one of two sharply different paths. Kidnapped soldiers have tremendous emotional resonance in Israel, who a few years ago swapped 1,000 Palestinians for a single missing soldier, Gilad Shalit. Hamas would expect Israel to make far-reaching concessions this time around as well. But with the Israeli public strongly supporting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s tough approach to the confrontation, the capture could also lead to Israel intensifying its military campaign in an effort to find and rescue the missing soldier. That could further escalate the already bloody conflict, which has killed more than 1,400 Palestinians, many of whom were civilians, and 60 Israelis, mostly soldiers.

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a) The compact between the Israeli army and Israeli parents is simple: You give us your sons, and we will do whatever we can to keep them alive. This includes conducting operations that get other soldiers killed. There will be near-unanimity in Israel that this soldier should be rescued, regardless of price to Israel, or certainly to the Palestinians in Gaza.

b) There is near-unanimity in Israel already that Hamas represents an unbearable threat. Add in the perfidy of a raid conducted after a ceasefire went into effect and near-unanimity becomes total unanimity…

c) For Israelis who are immune, unlike Amos Oz, to the criticism of outsiders, the world’s inability, or unwillingness, to understand the Hamas threat in the way that Oz (and most everyone else in Israel) understands it suggests that there is nothing Israel can do, short of national suicide, to stop the condemnation of their country. Which, of course, frees Israel, in their minds, to take whatever action it deems necessary to take. In other words, don’t be overly surprised by news later today of a massive Israeli army reserve call-up.

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Three. That is the number of times Israel has fought Hamas since 2007, when the terror group seized control of the Gaza Strip. There was Operation Cast Lead in 2008, Operation Pillar of Defense in 2012, and now Operation Protective Edge in 2014. In all three cases the story has been the same: Israel is attacked; Israel responds; Israel is condemned; Israel ceases fire. Hamas is weakened. Hamas recovers. The rockets return. Rewind and repeat…

Collapse the tunnels or collapse Hamas. Lives will be lost either way. The difference is in the end state. Leave Hamas in charge, and you guarantee the war will resume, and more lives will be lost. Topple Hamas, and you remove the source of the conflict, the first cause of the death and destruction. Lives will be saved over time. Want an example? Casualties spiked during the Iraq surge in 2007. Then both American and civilian casualties plummeted. They remained low for years—until America withdrew…

Yes, there would be costs to regime change in the Gaza Strip. But the choice is not between a costly policy and a cost-free one. The choice is between the costs of removing a terrorist group from power and the costs of leaving it injured but able to fight another day. To prevent a fourth war, to bolster ties with the Sunni powers, to improve the chances of a two-state solution, to help the Palestinians, above all to secure Israel, the decision is clear. Destroy Hamas. End the war. Free Gaza.

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Those who claim there is only a political solution to the problem fail to understand that in the absence of a military solution it won’t be possible. Until something happens that will eliminate the Palestinian force that is determined to keep the conflict red-hot and is prepared to sacrifice their own people in order to advance that objective, there is no point to those who criticize Israel for not creating a Palestinian state. Though it has been blockaded by Israel, Egypt, and the international community since the 2007 coup that brought Hamas to power there, Gaza has functioned as an independent state for all intents and purposes since then. Its government’s sole objective has been to fight Israel, pouring its scarce resources into rockets, tunnels, and other military expenses while—despite Hamas’s reputation as a “social welfare organization”—doing virtually nothing to better the lives of its people. So long as it is allowed to stay in power that won’t change and, no matter how many cease-fires or negotiations John Kerry sponsors, peace will never happen.

Pressing on in Gaza will be costly and will be brutally criticized by the international press, the U.N., celebrities on Twitter, and every other conceivable venue. No one should think that Hamas’s duplicity and belligerence—amply demonstrated by today’s brutal cease-fire violation—will create much backing for an Israeli effort to finish the job in Gaza. But finish it they must or be faced with the necessity of starting over at some point in the near future. Despite publicized fears of something worse following this genocidal group, that is a myth. Anyone who really cares about the people of Gaza or peace should realize that and sit back and let Israel end the Hamas nightmare once and for all.

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Failure is the price of sovereignty. Statehood means making hard and often agonizing choices—whether to attack Hamas in Palestinian neighborhoods, for example, or to suffer rocket strikes on our own territory. It requires reconciling our desire to be enlightened with our longing to remain alive. Most onerously, sovereignty involves assuming responsibility. Zionism, in my definition, means Jewish responsibility. It means taking responsibility for our infrastructure, our defense, our society and the soul of our state. It is easy to claim responsibility for victories; setbacks are far harder to embrace.

But that is precisely the lure of Zionism. Growing up in America, I felt grateful to be born in a time when Jews could assume sovereign responsibilities. Statehood is messy, but I regarded that mess as a blessing denied to my forefathers for 2,000 years. I still feel privileged today, even as Israel grapples with circumstances that are at once perilous, painful and unjust. Fighting terrorists who shoot at us from behind their own children, our children in uniform continue to be killed and wounded while much of the world brands them as war criminals.

Zionism, nevertheless, will prevail. Deriving its energy from a people that refuses to disappear and its ethos from historically tested ideas, the Zionist project will thrive. We will be vilified, we will find ourselves increasingly alone, but we will defend the homes that Zionism inspired us to build.

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Via Mediaite.


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oscarwilde on August 3, 2014 at 12:23 AM

if shape matters you could test a handful of shapes in little time..
plus multiple frequencies.. and/or wave fronts are not hard to change..
the delivery method of the RF waves could take a bit of time to sus out..
is it like a fil n drain hot gas valve approach?
would love to see some drawings.. or more photos..
what about half height millimeter wave radar waves?
would a passive array delivery change results?
and active array?.. both would be directional in delivery of the wave fronts..
what other kind of wave fronts might have similar properties..?
pretty cool stuff I’d say… triple the funding..!!! laffs

going2mars on August 3, 2014 at 12:46 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 12:40 AM

Good evening, Newtie. :)

The real danger is the real fear that it will mutate, as viruses often do, and become airborne.

Ebola Moving Faster Than Efforts To Control It. WHO Warns:Virus Could Spread To Other Countries Causing Catastrophic Loss Of Life

thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 12:46 AM

All major plagues were caused by mass migrations.
Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 12:43 AM

All those fleas in Europe back in the day… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 12:46 AM

Hamas planned a big invasion and bombing and kidnapping terror attack via dozens of tunnels:

According to captured Hamas documents, on Rosh Hashanah of this year (starting September 24), up to 200 Hamas gunmen were to pour out of each of the dozens upon dozens of terror tunnels, many of which we now know exit inside or very near to Israeli civilian communities.

While the Hamas plan is in scope grand beyond achievability, there is no doubt that an attack of that scale would have resulted in many Israeli casualties, and possibly a number of abductions.

Many of the tunnels uncovered over the past week were found to contain holding rooms where presumably Hamas intended to hide kidnapped Israelis.

A number of the Hamas fighters captured by Israel in recent days have confirmed that the plan was real, and said they had been promised by their leadership that the mass coordinated assault would begin the ultimate defeat of the Zionist enemy.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/08/hamas-planned-big-invasion-and-bombing.html

anotherJoe on August 3, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Oscar, I really appreciate your taking the time to explain to me the principal. I won’t lie and say I fully understand, but what I can do is take your explanation to my husband and he’ll be able to expand. Hubs, worked here as a safety engineer. You should have been around when he explained that one to me.
A little self discloser. I have ADHD and slight dyslexia which I found out about when I went back to college in my 40′s. They didn’t have testing for it when I went to grade/high school. I always managed to get good grades (exceptions: math, sciences) but it was a real struggle. Retention was another bugger. I like trying to understand things and you made that happen. Thank you

31giddyup on August 3, 2014 at 12:48 AM

The real danger is the real fear that it will mutate, as viruses often do, and become airborne.
Ebola Moving Faster Than Efforts To Control It. WHO Warns:Virus Could Spread To Other Countries Causing Catastrophic Loss Of Life
thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 12:46 AM

Yes, there is that, Jackie…

It’s stuff like that what gives me nightmares–things well within the realm of possibility…like thermonuclear war (hey, it can happen o_O ) and plagues/epidemics/pandemics…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 12:48 AM

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 12:40 AM

Good evening, williamg. :)

I don’t think even Obama is that evil or calculating. Besides, that would permanently sully his ‘legacy’.

I think he’s immature and irresponsible, certainly, but not psychotic.

thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 12:49 AM

…..’Zactly – and THAT’s WHY Obama is Importing To Here – So That His Process of Genocide To America Can Start In Earnest!

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 12:40 AM

I would think that’s why he’s allowing us to be invaded by illegals, G. After childhood or military service, unless you’re in a profession that causes you to travel out of country a lot, well, how current are YOUR vaccinations?

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 12:43 AM

…..to repeat what I said Last Night:

Obama, The Liberals and The Progressive Left: Trying To Kill EVERY American By ANY Means Necessary……

……they ALWAYS Come To The SAME Conclusion – Demagogues Like Obama and Hitler and Stalin suddenly “Realize” – that the Appropriate Way To Set The Country Free By Consolidating POWER into THEIR Control – is to MURDER EVERY SINGLE Citizen Of Their Country Alive In The World!!

For The Good Of His Country – Obama MUST have Abject CONTEMPT for The Life Of EVERY SINGLE American!

Hitler – 6 Million Jews

Stalin – 10 Million Soviet Farmers

Obama – How Many Thousand Already to Become – How Many Million Tomorrow?

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 12:50 AM

Nah, he’s letting us be invaded by illegals so they can get attached to our social services and send money back home–it’s national wealth redistribution, cause it’s not FAIR that the US is wealthy and these banana republics aren’t….
Same reason he doesn’t give a rats butt about the decline in average net worth in this country–he wants us to be all equally poor, cause it’s not fair if you build wealth more than someone else.
Same reason they like high taxes–it prevents the accumulation of personal wealth, and thereby increases the likelihood of dependency on the government, which the statist hope will translate to permanent power.
It’s all about being “fair”–which means they get to determine your level of wealth, health care, etc. And the statist exempt themselves of course, because some pigs are more equal than others…

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 12:50 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 12:48 AM

Between nuclear warfare and contagion, I probably worry more about contagion. Something that just gets away from the ‘experts’.

thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 12:50 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 12:40 AM

Its a classic misdirect on the part of this administration.

While we are fretting over a possible disease, the administration is taking planeloads of illegal alien kids and…two words…Soylent Green. And, its only practice for when they ramp up production for…us.

With that, I’m outta’ here.

cozmo on August 3, 2014 at 12:51 AM

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 12:50 AM

And then there’s 404care, which limits your subsidized access to health services…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 12:52 AM

The NIH just admitted that they left a vial of live, viable, small pox sitting in an abandoned refrigerator for the last fifty years.

There have been a number of similar ‘accidents and oversights’ perpetrated by bureaucrats.

It’s that sort of thing that keeps me up at night… and then I sit down and write about it.

thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 12:52 AM

somehow this guy finds work in America..

Update: Councilman Marion Barry was involved in a ‘minor fender bender’ following a hypoglycemic attack while driving

https://twitter.com/nbcwashington

going2mars on August 3, 2014 at 12:53 AM

With that, I’m outta’ here.
cozmo on August 3, 2014 at 12:51 AM

Niters and sleep well, Cozmo!

I’ll ensure that your britches are cleaned and pressed so they’ll be available when/if you need them for Kate’s visit… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 12:53 AM

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 12:50 AM

Indeed. When we’re all equally poor, sitting around dung fires because energy usage is a thing of the past and dung is ‘green and renewable’, and we’ve all got lice running down our faces… Obama and the LEFT will be satisfied.

thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 12:54 AM

Update: Councilman Marion Barry was involved in a ‘minor fender bender’ following a hypoglycemic attack while driving
https://twitter.com/nbcwashington
going2mars on August 3, 2014 at 12:53 AM

And the odds of his license being suspended pending a written note from his doctor are…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 12:55 AM

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 12:40 AM

Good evening, williamg. :)

I don’t think even Obama is that evil or calculating. Besides, that would permanently sully his ‘legacy’.

I think he’s immature and irresponsible, certainly, but not psychotic.

thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 12:49 AM

….Oh – he’s NOT “psychotic”……he’s Completely Sane and Convinced That He Is “Doing The Right Thing”

….about the rest – you’re wrong, and I can prove it:

Besides Starting Several Pandemics That Could Potentially KILL Every American Alive – Except for Himself, Who He Will Protect:

WHY ELSE – Other Than Killing Every American Alive – Would He Promote and Facilitate Sick And Contagious Illegal Aliens to Flood This Country AND Intervene to MAKE SURE that A Contingent Of People CONTAGIOUS with the EBOLA Virus are IMPORTED DIRECTLY to This Country?

…..without rationalizing his reasoning – which is a waste of time – KILLING ALL EVERY AMERICAN is the ONLY Potential Result of Those Actions!!!

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 12:56 AM

Saw the ambassador on TV but they’re not releasing details. It’s all pretty veiled, for now.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2014 at 11:26 PM

Generally it means they have forensics which show that the officer did not survive the attack.

Shy Guy on August 3, 2014 at 12:57 AM

Between nuclear warfare and contagion, I probably worry more about contagion. Something that just gets away from the ‘experts’.

thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 12:50 AM

Interestingly, the more quickly lethal something is, the less likely it is to become a pandemic. That’s why Ebola has never busted out of Africa on it’s on. It’s lethality out runs it’s ability to spread.

And that’s also why AIDS is now a world wide disease–it gives plenty of time to be spread before it becomes lethal.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 12:58 AM

Still Got The Blues – Moore

I bid my friends a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always.

Live in the moment.

“Keep yourselves where the light is.”

Goodnight, Paladin. :) Sleep well.

Williamg… remember… love is the best part of us… the rest is just … the world. Let the world go for awhile…listen to a great tune.. and live in the moment, my friend. :)

thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 12:59 AM

The NIH just admitted that they left a vial of live, viable, small pox sitting in an abandoned refrigerator for the last fifty years.
There have been a number of similar ‘accidents and oversights’ perpetrated by bureaucrats.
It’s that sort of thing that keeps me up at night… and then I sit down and write about it.
thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 12:52 AM

Did you check out the hearing about that in the House a couple of weeks ago??

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:00 AM

…..’Zactly – and THAT’s WHY Obama is Importing IT To Here – So That His Process of Genocide To America Can Start In Earnest!

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 12:40 AM

I would think that’s why he’s allowing us to be invaded by illegals, G. After childhood or military service, unless you’re in a profession that causes you to travel out of country a lot, well, how current are YOUR vaccinations?

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 12:43 AM

….you’re RIGHT ON Point, Newtie – he’s doing it from Two Different DIRECTIONS!

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 1:00 AM

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 12:58 AM

Barring mutation.

I hope you’re right and our luck continues to hold. Goodnight, Doc. :)

thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 1:01 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 12:55 AM

he has a license??… odds are …slim
I’d give you better odds on “it was a relapse and he is currently seeking help”
line is coming…

going2mars on August 3, 2014 at 1:01 AM

thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 12:59 AM

Niters and sleep well, Jackie!

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:01 AM

oscarwilde on August 3, 2014 at 12:23 AM

if shape matters you could test a handful of shapes in little time..
plus multiple frequencies.. and/or wave fronts are not hard to change..
the delivery method of the RF waves could take a bit of time to sus out..
is it like a fil n drain hot gas valve approach?
would love to see some drawings.. or more photos..
what about half height millimeter wave radar waves?
would a passive array delivery change results?
and active array?.. both would be directional in delivery of the wave fronts..
what other kind of wave fronts might have similar properties..?
pretty cool stuff I’d say… triple the funding..!!! laffs

going2mars on August 3, 2014 at 12:46 AM

These first designs are probably akin to Maxwell’s first Rotor and Stator. So, yea, all of the above are probably valid variables. Having funding and the freedom to try every exotic design configuration would be insane fun. Perhaps an Edison’s light bulb situation. As Edison said about his 1000 failures, I did not fail, I discovered 1000 ways to not make a light bulb.

oscarwilde on August 3, 2014 at 1:02 AM

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 12:56 AM

As far as Ebola, this FR comment:

A criminal level of arrogance. 200,000,000 American lives risked on the promise they know what they are doing. The world’s expert caught the disease, didn’t he know what he was doing?

The country is in the hands of utter fools and evil men.

anotherJoe on August 3, 2014 at 1:03 AM

And the statist exempt themselves of course, because some pigs are more equal than others…

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 12:50 AM

Most disgusting part of your comment, about them, and glad you didn’t omit it. I so despise the hypocrites and thugs.

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:05 AM

Night Miss Jackie. ; )

31giddyup on August 3, 2014 at 1:05 AM

Oscar, I really appreciate your taking the time to explain to me the principal. I won’t lie and say I fully understand, but what I can do is take your explanation to my husband and he’ll be able to expand. Hubs, worked here as a safety engineer. You should have been around when he explained that one to me.
A little self discloser. I have ADHD and slight dyslexia which I found out about when I went back to college in my 40′s. They didn’t have testing for it when I went to grade/high school. I always managed to get good grades (exceptions: math, sciences) but it was a real struggle. Retention was another bugger. I like trying to understand things and you made that happen. Thank you

31giddyup on August 3, 2014 at 12:48 AM

Unless your husband is into Quantum Mechanics he will probably think this is crazy talk.

oscarwilde on August 3, 2014 at 1:05 AM

thatsafactjack on August 3, 2014 at 12:59 AM

….’niters, Jackie – God Bless you and Take Care…….It’s Hard For Me To Calm Down These Days……I can complete The Stroke Of Action being taken by This Government – and I see clearly what is coming and what their intentions are……..It’s Very Upsetting…..and the rest of The World is “Sleepwalking”……with chittering noises that add up to: “It’s Not THAT Bad”…….well, Yes, it is – it’s Actually Much, MUCH Worse!

…..I will try……

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 1:07 AM

….you’re RIGHT ON Point, Newtie – he’s doing it from Two Different DIRECTIONS!
williamg on August 3, 2014 at 1:00 AM

Americans coming home to be treated for Ebola I can handle, G–it’s the illegals spreading diseases like TB, smallpox, measles (yes, measles can be deadly–check out the death of Ethel Lavinia Jones Severance) and other diseases, diseases we’ve been pretty much able to eradicate in this country, that worries me to no end.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:08 AM

Nite J. – I agree on contagion. Also, obama is clinically sick in the head.

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:09 AM

And hey, OmahaConservative–
I WAS wondering if one of the reasons these patients are being brought back is so Obama can claim to have “Done something for Africa!” if they can develop a successful treatment or vaccine. George W. Bush is hugely popular in Africa for his program to help eradicate AIDS. I’m sure Mr. Obama is jealous.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:09 AM

Unless your husband is into Quantum Mechanics he will probably think this is crazy talk.

oscarwilde on August 3, 2014 at 1:05 AM

….I understand Quantum Mechanics……and I get your simplified discussions on it – and avoid nit-picking it….

….For A DARN Good Read On The Topic That Is Accessible To ANYONE – Check Out “Thirty Years That Shook Physics” by George Gamow….

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 1:10 AM

The national media ignores this story.

PITTSBURGH (NewsRadio 1020 KDKA) – Border Patrol Agents are the men on the front lines having to deal with the children coming across our southern border.

One of their biggest concerns is the diseases that kids could bring with them. The agents have to check the immigrants for diseases, and if they have them, they could potentially get sick and bring the illness home to their families.

According to Shawn Moran, the vice president and spokesman for the National Border Patrol Council, scabies and lice are the two main infestations that his agents come across. He adds that chicken pox, measles, H1N1 and tuberculosis are also pretty common. Really, he says they see a whole gamete of diseases and that’s what his men are most concerned with.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/08/01/border-agents-need-more-staffing-to-help-the-border-crisis/

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:10 AM

he has a license??… odds are …slim
I’d give you better odds on “it was a relapse and he is currently seeking help”
line is coming…
going2mars on August 3, 2014 at 1:01 AM

True…there IS that… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:11 AM

And hey, OmahaConservative–
I WAS wondering if one of the reasons these patients are being brought back is so Obama can claim to have “Done something for Africa!” if they can develop a successful treatment or vaccine. George W. Bush is hugely popular in Africa for his program to help eradicate AIDS. I’m sure Mr. Obama is jealous.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:09 AM

Great point, Doc. Never thought about that…

OmahaConservative on August 3, 2014 at 1:11 AM

Obama. Ebola. Different diseases, same result. No life, no liberty, no pursuit of happiness.

TXUS on August 3, 2014 at 1:12 AM

Americans coming home to be treated for Ebola I can handle, G–it’s the illegals spreading diseases like TB, smallpox, measles (yes, measles can be deadly–check out the death of Ethel Lavinia Jones Severance) and other diseases, diseases we’ve been pretty much able to eradicate in this country, that worries me to no end.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:08 AM

….think again – They’re BOTH Worrisome…….for pretty much The SAME Contributing Root Cause Reasons……..scary, SCARY stuff!!

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 1:12 AM

PointnClick, hope all’s well with you.
Dire too

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:12 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:08 AM

We obviously had similar thoughts at the same time. Yes, this is very worrying.

And I bet a lot of people are totally unaware of this.

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:13 AM

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:09 AM

….it’s Prego….

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 1:13 AM

Great point, Doc. Never thought about that…

OmahaConservative on August 3, 2014 at 1:11 AM

But his legacy is ALL Obama thinks about–it’s always about him, which is what gave me that idea…

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:14 AM

oscarwilde on August 3, 2014 at 1:02 AM

I would guess decreasing cylindrical volume shape..
smooth…round… getting ever smaller.. compacting the wavefronts..
and I bet you right there are defined limits to the shape…
remember that shape you get when you cut a snail in half..
you could play shapes by the millions…
the test was in Texas I think..
does it say where it was made?? subcontractors??

going2mars on August 3, 2014 at 1:14 AM

…Really, he says they see a whole gamete of diseases and that’s what his men are most concerned with.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/08/01/border-agents-need-more-staffing-to-help-the-border-crisis/
cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:10 AM

Gamete… o_O

I’d slam that writer’s head against the wall, but then I’d have to FIX the wall…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:14 AM

Unless your husband is into Quantum Mechanics he will probably think this is crazy talk.

oscarwilde on August 3, 2014 at 1:05 AM

Oscar, cool thing is, is if he doesn’t know, he’ll take the time to find out and explain. He was a systems engineer major and worked at Lawrence Livermore Lab along with SLAC, after he got out of the service. So he’s dipped his toes in a few areas. Your background is amazing.

31giddyup on August 3, 2014 at 1:19 AM

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:14 AM

His “legacy” is going to be far worse than Carter’s, and we still have a couple of years to go.

And yes…. everything is all about him.

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:19 AM

…Really, he says they see a whole gamete of diseases and that’s what his men are most concerned with.

…..”Gambit”…….”GAMBIT“, Tool!!

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 1:19 AM

Americans coming home to be treated for Ebola I can handle, G–it’s the illegals spreading diseases like TB, smallpox, measles (yes, measles can be deadly–check out the death of Ethel Lavinia Jones Severance) and other diseases, diseases we’ve been pretty much able to eradicate in this country, that worries me to no end.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:08 AM

There’s no cure for Ebola, so treatment is out of the question, thus bringing someone here with that disease is another breach of national security that this heathen-preezy has brought upon us.

The other diseases that these illegals are bringing in are bad, yes, but Ebola is the ultimate wipe-out disease. However, it is only spread by contact with human fluids or blood, much like HIV, but to welcome this upon our shores is despicable.

TXUS on August 3, 2014 at 1:22 AM

….think again – They’re BOTH Worrisome…….for pretty much The SAME Contributing Root Cause Reasons……..scary, SCARY stuff!!
williamg on August 3, 2014 at 1:12 AM

G, while BOTH would be worrisome, it’s the diseases that, as a society, we consider “mild” that would concern me the most. Ebola would be (relatively speaking) contained, but the way zero is moving the illegal alien *ahem!* children all over this country, I’d be far more concerned about a bunch of different diseases that this country has, for the most part, been lulled into thinking are relatively minor (well, except for that TB one…) or eradicated (like smallpox) that would do far more to devastate our country. To my way of thinking, having pockets of diseaseS spread around our country would be far more devastating if outbreaks/epidemics/pandemics broke out than a couple of isolated instances of one major disease.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:22 AM

Japan is rockin..

Magnitude 5.7 earthquake strikes near Ryukyu Islands, Japan

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usb000rzlc#summary

going2mars on August 3, 2014 at 1:23 AM

His “legacy” is going to be far worse than Carter’s, and we still have a couple of years to go.

And yes…. everything is all about him.

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:19 AM

Agreed! He’s going to be right up there with Jimmy, Hoover, Harding, etc. in the loser President category–and the reason he’ll take top spot is that those other guys were trying to do right by America. Obama just doesn’t like us very much.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:23 AM

…..”Gambit”…….”GAMBIT“, Tool!!

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 1:19 AM

No, it is gamut…

OmahaConservative on August 3, 2014 at 1:23 AM

No, it is gamut…

OmahaConservative on August 3, 2014 at 1:23 AM

That’s it! We have a winner!

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:24 AM

Agreed! He’s going to be right up there with Jimmy, Hoover, Harding, etc. in the loser President category–and the reason he’ll take top spot is that those other guys were trying to do right by America. Obama just doesn’t like us very much.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:23 AM

He is a self-loathing American on his white branch of the family…

OmahaConservative on August 3, 2014 at 1:25 AM

Btw, congress should consider doing something and pass an Ebola Act. No more friggin people with Ebola allowed over here.

anotherJoe on August 3, 2014 at 1:26 AM

The other diseases that these illegals are bringing in are bad, yes, but Ebola is the ultimate wipe-out disease. However, it is only spread by contact with human fluids or blood, much like HIV, but to welcome this upon our shores is despicable.
TXUS on August 3, 2014 at 1:22 AM

While I understand your outrage, TXUS, the diseases and other stuff (like parasites) the illegals are being allowed to bring into our country is about 95% PREVENTABLE. By following our laws and enacted (but rarely implemented) border security fences and other protocols, much of the misery about to be unleashed in our country is PREVENTABLE.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:26 AM

oscarwilde on August 3, 2014 at 1:05 AM

….I understand Quantum Mechanics……and I get your simplified discussions on it – and avoid nit-picking it….

….For A DARN Good Read On The Topic That Is Accessible To ANYONE – Check Out “Thirty Years That Shook Physics” by George Gamow….

williamg on August 3, 2014 at 1:10 AM

I have met very few Engineer’s whose mind retained enough plasticity to go beyond a theoretical grasp of quantum Mechanics. It isn’t that you guys are intelligent enough, it’s just that Quantum Mechanic’s is so counter intuitive classical physics.

Tell a Engineer that every cubic centimeter of pure vacuum contains 1 x 10^2334 GeV and they will without exception tell you that you cannot conduct electricity out of vacuum.

oscarwilde on August 3, 2014 at 1:26 AM

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:23 AM

That’s exactly right. He’s “fundamentally transforming” the nation.

Carter and the others at least loved America. And Carter was instrumental in getting the peace agreement between Israel and Egypt.

Can’t think of one positive achievement Dear Leader has. Not one.

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:27 AM

He is a self-loathing American on his white branch of the family…

OmahaConservative on August 3, 2014 at 1:25 AM

It’s rare that you see someone in politics who just oozes contempt for his fellow Americans like Obama does. And yet he has such a loyal following among people who he would never condescend to speak to if they couldn’t vote for him. Talk about blind love!
Hillary is just as arrogant and contemptuous, but she (usually) contains it better.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:28 AM

much of the misery about to be unleashed in our country is PREVENTABLE.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:26 AM

Absolutely.

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:30 AM

Btw, congress should consider doing something and pass an Ebola Act. No more friggin people with Ebola allowed over here.
anotherJoe on August 3, 2014 at 1:26 AM

I’d be MORE upset if’n someone with Ebola was allowed to enter our country via a public conveyance, like an airline, than an American volunteer that is being sent back to this country via a private conveyance and taken to a proper, quarantined facility with minimal contact with the general population AND with proper health/safety safeguards in place.

It’s the illegals that are being allowed to flood our country AND being transported hither and thither within our country (God Forbid they should be put on the NEXT available transport BACK to their home country) that I’m concerned about.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:31 AM

I would say that I am glad I am not an ER doctor in Atlanta, because I can tell you from past experience that they are going to have a rush of crazy patients all claiming to have Ebola.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:34 AM

Looks like Geraldo is going all in with the Communists and Hamas against Israel tonight…..

Realdemocrat1 on August 3, 2014 at 1:34 AM

Can someone be infected with Ebola for a period of time before showing symptoms?

The reason I ask is because I wonder if someone could innocently infect others while travelling from one country to another by air or other travel.

That’s a scary thought.

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:35 AM

Send them to Al Shopton’s NAN……

Realdemocrat1 on August 3, 2014 at 1:35 AM

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:23 AM

evening doc..
you left off the 10 trillion added to the debt..
“Jimmy, Hoover, Harding, etc. in the loser President category”
dreamed of a trillion…maybe two…
10 trillion would have given Hoover a heart attack..

ps you and ms J were scaring the wits out of me up here…
and she left with “Barring mutation.
I hope you’re right and our luck continues to hold. Goodnight, Doc. :)”
chills n shivers
im on the edge over here…how does this story end??

going2mars on August 3, 2014 at 1:36 AM

I would say that I am glad I am not an ER doctor in Atlanta, because I can tell you from past experience that they are going to have a rush of crazy patients all claiming to have Ebola.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:34 AM

I’ll bet you get some in AL too, esp from the 0bama voters…

OmahaConservative on August 3, 2014 at 1:36 AM

I would say that I am glad I am not an ER doctor in Atlanta, because I can tell you from past experience that they are going to have a rush of crazy patients all claiming to have Ebola.
Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:34 AM

Oh, I can imagine!

I wonder how many twalet seats are going to have to be sanitized before the general hypochondriac populace dies down?

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:36 AM

Realdemocrat1 on August 3, 2014 at 1:34 AM

How that clown got a show on Fox is something I will never understand.

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:36 AM

Looks like Geraldo is going all in with the Communists and Hamas against Israel tonight…..

Realdemocrat1 on August 3, 2014 at 1:34 AM

I don’t watch Geraldo, but there is an air of panic about the media–I think they understand that one of their favorite leftist distortions (Israel is bad, everyone attacking Israel is good) is crashing to the ground, and they don’t like it one bit.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:37 AM

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:35 AM

Yes, to your question.

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:37 AM

Ebola and Illegal Aliens are Obama’s WMD’s against WHITE MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS……

Realdemocrat1 on August 3, 2014 at 1:38 AM

Can someone be infected with Ebola for a period of time before showing symptoms?

The reason I ask is because I wonder if someone could innocently infect others while travelling from one country to another by air or other travel.

That’s a scary thought.

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:35 AM

yes, but I don’t know what the latency period is–I’ll have to look it up tomorrow.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:39 AM

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:37 AM

Oh dear. I was afraid to ask, thinking the answer would be yes.

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:39 AM

Can someone be infected with Ebola for a period of time before showing symptoms?
The reason I ask is because I wonder if someone could innocently infect others while travelling from one country to another by air or other travel.
That’s a scary thought.
cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:35 AM

Doc’s the expert, Cat, but from what I understand, the incubation period for anyone who comes in contact with someone who has Ebola comes AFTER the symptoms of Ebola are made manifest. Put another way, one doesn’t “carry” it until one comes in physical contact with it. And I’ll admit, I don’t know what the incubation period is, but generally, incubation periods are about 7-21 days from date of exposure.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:39 AM

I don’t watch Geraldo, but there is an air of panic about the media–I think they understand that one of their favorite leftist distortions (Israel is bad, everyone attacking Israel is good) is crashing to the ground, and they don’t like it one bit.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:37 AM

I caught part of his show tonight, although I don’t usually watch him. Most of his guests were self hating anti Israel Jews like himself…

OmahaConservative on August 3, 2014 at 1:40 AM

Ebola incubation period

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:40 AM

oscarwilde on August 3, 2014 at 1:02 AM

I would guess decreasing cylindrical volume shape..
smooth…round… getting ever smaller.. compacting the wavefronts..
and I bet you right there are defined limits to the shape…
remember that shape you get when you cut a snail in half..
you could play shapes by the millions…
the test was in Texas I think..
does it say where it was made?? subcontractors??

going2mars on August 3, 2014 at 1:14 AM

Ah yes, the Golden Ratio. As to the rest, well that is basically what the white paper says.

oscarwilde on August 3, 2014 at 1:41 AM

Ebola Incubation Period
The Ebola incubation period is the period of time between infection with the Ebola virus and the appearance of symptoms associated with the disease. The Ebola incubation period can be as short as 2 days or as long as 21 days.

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:41 AM

I don’t watch Geraldo, but there is an air of panic about the media–I think they understand that one of their favorite leftist distortions (Israel is bad, everyone attacking Israel is good) is crashing to the ground, and they don’t like it one bit.
Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:37 AM

I’m surprised that, after all this time, Fox is letting Geraldine have an hour all to himself again.

Geraldine should go AWAY, and he should take Brother Craig/Greg (whatever his name is) with him.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:41 AM

yes, but I don’t know what the latency period is–I’ll have to look it up tomorrow.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:39 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:39 AM

So this means someone could get on an airplane and arrive in another country, where it will start to spread there.

Not a pleasant thing to contemplate.

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:42 AM

Ebola is nothing compared to the infestation of Illegal Aliens foisted upon we Americans by Obama and the hateful, racists, and Communists…..

Realdemocrat1 on August 3, 2014 at 1:42 AM

Oh, I can imagine!

I wonder how many twalet seats are going to have to be sanitized before the general hypochondriac populace dies down?

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:36 AM

Heh. What happens is these people come in, and you see them and explain that they don’t have Ebola because they don’t have symptoms X,Y, and Z. No matter how far out or improbable the symptoms, they will then inevitably reply that they had exactly those symptoms earlier in the day.
No kidding. That’s how the conversation goes.
So instead, I say things like, “We don’t see any sign of Ebola in your labs/tests/exam”

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:42 AM

Ebola Incubation Period
The Ebola incubation period is the period of time between infection with the Ebola virus and the appearance of symptoms associated with the disease. The Ebola incubation period can be as short as 2 days or as long as 21 days.

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:41 AM

Thanks, schad. The check’s in the mail. :)

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:44 AM

So this means someone could get on an airplane and arrive in another country, where it will start to spread there.
Not a pleasant thing to contemplate.
cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:42 AM

True, but at authorized entry points, there is still a screening process of sorts. People can still be prevented from entering a country if they’re from a part of the world where there is an undesireable disease/pestilence in full bloom.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:45 AM

OmahaConservative on August 3, 2014 at 1:40 AM

Shame on Fox for having a radical leftist host who will repeat that crap.

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:41 AM

Thanks for that.

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:45 AM

Thanks, schad. The check’s in the mail. :)

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:44 AM

Gratis to friends and commiseraters.

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:46 AM

So instead, I say things like, “We don’t see any sign of Ebola in your labs/tests/exam”
Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:42 AM

God Forbid you should ask them if’n the symptoms can be replicated lol!

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:46 AM

Nite HA

Nite America

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:46 AM

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:46 AM

Good night.

cat_owner on August 3, 2014 at 1:47 AM

Night Schad. Hope you rest on Sunday and begin to slay political dragons on Monday. ; )

31giddyup on August 3, 2014 at 1:47 AM

God Forbid you should ask them if’n the symptoms can be replicated lol!

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:46 AM

They will say, “Well, I heard from my uncle’s sisters third cousins husband who has a sister who’s a nurse that the symptoms can wax and wain and you may still have it even though your feeling good and that most doctors don’t know that…”
People who want to believe they are sick do not listen to reason.

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:49 AM

Gnight Schad!

Doc Holliday on August 3, 2014 at 1:49 AM

Nite HA
Nite America
Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:46 AM

Niters and sleep well, Schade!

Newtie and the Beauty on August 3, 2014 at 1:49 AM

Hope you rest on Sunday and begin to slay political dragons on Monday. ; )

31giddyup on August 3, 2014 at 1:47 AM

No rest for the wicked and especially no rest now. Bet on fights for Sunday, Monday….Saturday, every day.

Nite all.

Schadenfreude on August 3, 2014 at 1:51 AM

Doc Holliday on August 3

if I don’t sleep tonight its your fault..
tell us how it ends man…
6 months,, a year,,, two..
best case.. worst case….

going2mars on August 3, 2014 at 1:52 AM

cheers schad..

going2mars on August 3, 2014 at 1:53 AM

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