Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Male justices can’t understand Hobby Lobby case because genitals

posted at 4:41 pm on July 31, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg evolved this summer from a mere figure of authority into a liberal celebrity when she authored the dissenting opinion in the Hobby Lobby case. Ginsburg’s dissent, which has been ubiquitously dubbed “scathing” and/or “blistering” in the press, prompted the left to craft a cult of personality around her.

Liberal outlets dubbed her “Notorious R.B.G.,” whiny folk artists converted her opinion into a terrible but nevertheless widely shared song, and The New Republic laughably dubbed Ginsburg “the most popular woman on the internet.” Take that, Kate Upton.

All this hero worship was entirely unearned, but the left is eternally in search of a totem. Ginsburg revealed just how misplaced the deluge of liberal idolization was on Thursday when she let all that celebrity go to her head.

In an interview with Katie Couric, Ginsburg embraced the toxic, disrespectful, and illiberal identity politics that has so intoxicated the left when she said that the five male Justices who decided Hobby Lobby really cannot understand the law in this case because they do not possess her reproductive organs.

Ginsburg began by insisting that the decision in Hobby Lobby meant that “women would have to take care of that for themselves, or the men who cared.” Oh, the tyrannies of free will and independence.

“Contraceptive coverage is something that every woman must have access to to control her own destiny,” she added. It sure is a good thing that the decision did not limit anyone’s access to contraceptives, as evidenced by what Ginsburg had just said two seconds prior.

“All three women justices were in the minority in the Hobby Lobby decision,” Couric noted, without making mention of the fact that those women represent three of the Court’s four reliably liberal justices. “Do you believe that the five male justices truly understood the ramifications of their decision?”

“I would have to say no,” Ginsburg replied. “I’m ever hopeful that if the Court has a blind spot today, its eyes can be opened tomorrow.”

One would have to presume by Couric’s question and Ginsburg’s subsequent answer that Justice Stephen Breyer possesses an unrivaled clarity of thought and godlike powers of empathy for the female condition.

“But you do in fact feel that these five justices have a bit of a blind spot?” Couric clarified.

“In Hobby Lobby? Yes,” Ginsburg replied.

She added that this same blind spot was evident in the Court’s 2007 decision in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. One has to imagine that she is suggesting here that the Court should have abandoned impartiality and issued a ruling based on emotion.

In that case, Justice Samuel Alito opined that “current effects alone cannot breathe life into prior, uncharged discrimination.” Not that there had been no discrimination. In fact, the Court ruled in favor of the law at the time, which led the Congress to craft and pass a new law, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, addressing the Court’s concerns.

You know? The legislative processes defined in the Constitution? Talk about a “blind spot.”

Ginsburg spent the remainder of her interview with Couric basking in the admiration of the online left and her new “notorious” status — a moniker perhaps never so well-deserved.

This was a truly insulting display of contempt for Ginsburg’s male colleagues. Her implication that their majority’s decision in Hobby Lobby, a gracious interpretation of which would lead any civil individual to concede was based on the merits of the case, is the height of condescension.

Were the roles reversed, and it was a male justice in the majority who had suggested that his female counterparts dissented in this case because they were blinded by self-interest and the peculiarities of their gender, the left would demand that justice be impeached.

That would, of course, be an absurd overreaction, but the left would at least have a case to make; the justice in that hypothetical case would be expressing desire if not an intention to betrayal of the oath of office. Ginsburg swore solemnly to “administer justice without respect to persons.” In this moment, she signaled her willingness to violate that pledge.

Arguing for what are essentially separate but equal systems of justice based on circumstances of birth is not a liberal notion. It is poisonous, and Ginsburg should be ashamed of herself for promoting it.


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so lets see any mines in the minefield yet? oh yah a good case for better reproductive options for ladies in those states with “informed consent” laws. this can only get better im sure.

http://bit.ly/1oan5wG

good going hobby lobby

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 6:28 PM

‘Pro-Choicers’ Are Backing Off of the Label. Why?

For all the talk about women’s issues in this year’s midterm election campaigns, something is missing. One of the most enduring labels of modern politics — pro-choice — has fallen from favor, a victim of changed times and generational preferences.

That shift might seem surprising in this political season, when there has been a renewed focus on reproductive issues like access to abortion and birth control. Yet advocates say that the term pro-choice, which has for so long been closely identified with abortion, does not reflect the range of women’s health and economic issues now being debated.

Nor, they add, does it speak to a new generation of young women, who tell pollsters that they reject political labels — not least one that dates back four decades, to the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision that established a constitutional right to abortion.

“The labels we’ve always used about pro-choice and pro-life — they’re outdated and they don’t mean anything,” said Janet Colm, 62, president of Planned Parenthood Action Fund of Central North Carolina, as she prepared to take several younger women to a summer protest at the legislature in Raleigh. “I used to be a one-issue voter” — pro-choice — “but I think most younger people today aren’t.”

No pithy phrase has replaced pro-choice. Activists talk mainly of “women’s health” and “economic security,” usually with policy specifics.

“You just have to take more words,” said Dawn Laguens, the executive vice president of the political-advocacy arm of Planned Parenthood and an early proponent of a broader message.

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 6:28 PM

It’s how they admit they know what has happened and how people view it. They’re looking for someone to blame.

rogerb on July 31, 2014 at 6:26 PM

Damn it, I posted before you, but the filter wouldn’t let d!cks through, so I had to repost. But I beat you on that observation! :P

NotCoach on July 31, 2014 at 6:29 PM

And the Lefties want her to step down?

She’s the best comedy relief since LQ Jones played the horse wrangler on “The Virginian”.

formwiz on July 31, 2014 at 6:31 PM

oh yah we wrote it on a plan developed by MITT ROMNEY and outlined by the HERITAGE FOUNDATION is all.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 6:10 PM

The Individual Mandate was put forth by one writer at the Heritage Foundation, which disavowed it two decades ago.

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 6:31 PM

so lets see any mines in the minefield yet? oh yah a good case for better reproductive options for ladies in those states with “informed consent” laws. this can only get better im sure.

http://bit.ly/1oan5wG

good going hobby lobby

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 6:28 PM

I wonder, do you hit yourself in the head with a hammer before you post?

Informed consent laws exist whether or not the Hobby Lobby decision exists. But some fascinating shiite from your link:

If you are a woman seeking an abortion who shares these deeply held beliefs, please print the letter below to present to your care-provider, informing him/her that you are to be exempted from receiving “informed consent” materials.

Because, why? Because the truth is likely to lead to fewer abortions? Wymmyns can’t handle the truth?

NotCoach on July 31, 2014 at 6:32 PM

And the Lefties want her to step down?

She’s the best comedy relief since LQ Jones played the horse wrangler on “The Virginian”.

formwiz on July 31, 2014 at 6:31 PM

So she can be replaced with an imbecile squared before a Republican takes over the WH in 2017. She isn’t much longer for this world, and they fear she will die before 2021.

NotCoach on July 31, 2014 at 6:33 PM

I do say: Brushing got b!tchslapped.

CW on July 31, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Brushing you’ve been outed as idiot, liar, blowhard, and a know-nothing….

Congrats!!!

CW on July 31, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Say brushing….

What percent of Massachusetts’ legislature was Democrat when they passed that health care law…you know the one that the majority of that state’s residents supported. You know unlike O-care.

Let’s go smarty-answer the effing question.

CW on July 31, 2014 at 6:43 PM

The oldest saw in the book: because you’re not like me how can you write laws that affect me?

Ok, how do people who never had non-government job in their life write laws for the private sector?

itsspideyman on July 31, 2014 at 6:44 PM

IN OBAMA’S TEPID RECOVERY, WOMEN’S ECONOMIC PROSPERITY HAS FALTERED AMIDST INCREASING POVERTY AND DECLINING INCOMES
Obama’s Recovery Has Been The Slowest Since The Labor Department Began Tracking Data In 1939. “Given it took four years to get this point, this jobs recovery has been the slowest on record since the Labor Department started tracking the data in 1939.” (Annalyn Kurtz, “Private Sector Jobs Finally Back To 2008 Peak, But…,” CNN’s Money, 4/4/14)

Under Obama’s Recovery, Women Have Seen Slower Job Growth Than In The Previous Three Recessions
“Women Have Experienced Weaker Job Growth” During Obama’s Recovery “Than They Had Experienced In The Previous Three Recessions.” “Nevertheless, women have experienced weaker job growth after the end of the 2007-2009 downturn than they had experienced in the previous three recessions.” (“The Rise In Women’s Share Of Nonfarm Employment During The 2007-2009 Recession: A Historical Perspective,” Bureau Of Labor Statistics’ Monthly Labor Review, 4/14)

Unemployment Rate For Women Has Remained Above The Rate It Was At The Month Before Obama Became President. (Current Population Survey, Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 4/4/14)

Black Female Unemployment Rate Has Increased From 10.1 Percent In January 2009 To 11.7 Percent In March 2014. (Current Population Survey, Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 4/4/14)
Men Have Gained 4.0 Million Jobs Since The End of The Recession To The End Of 2013, While Women Have Only Gained 2.5 Million. “In the economic recovery, which began in June 2009 and is reported through December 2013 in this analysis, the job gains among men (4.0 million) largely exceeded those among women (2.5 million).” (“The Rise In Women’s Share Of Nonfarm Employment During The 2007-2009 Recession: A Historical Perspective,” Bureau Of Labor Statistics’ Monthly Labor Review, 4/14)

In The First Three Months Of 2014, Only 35 Percent Of The 533,000 New Jobs Went To Women. (Current Employment Statistics, Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 4/7/14)
The Labor Force Participation Rate For Women Has Fallen From 59.4 Percent In January 2009, When Obama Was Inaugurated, To 57.2 Percent In March 2014. (Current Population Survey, Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 4/4/14)

The Wall Street Journal Headline: “Women Lagging On Job Creation, Shifting To Lower-Wage Industries.” (Josh Mitchell, “Women Lagging On Job Creation, Shifting To Lower-Wage Industries,” The Wall Street Journal’s Real Time Economics , 2/7/14)

Women In Obama’s Economy Have Seen Their Incomes Decline
Women Have Seen Their Median Income Fall By $733 Since Obama Became President.(Current Population Survey, U.S. Census Department, Accessed 4/4/14)

Under Obama, Women With A Bachelor’s Degree Have Seen Incomes Decline By $1,419. (Current Population Survey, U.S. Census Department, Accessed 3/20/14)
The Number Of Women Working At Or Below The Federal Minimum Wage Has Grown By 561,000 Since 2008, Which Represents 62 Percent Of All Workers At Or Below The Federal Minimum Wage. (Current Population Survey, Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 2/25/14)

As Jobs Pass Them By And Incomes Decline, An Increasing Number Of Women Are Entering Poverty
Since Obama Became President The Poverty Rate For Women Has Increased To 16.3 Percent From 14.4 Percent. (Current Population Survey, U.S. Census Department, Accessed 3/20/14)

3.7 Million More Women Are In Poverty Since Obama Became President. (Current Population Survey, U.S. Census Department, Accessed 3/20/14)
Since Obama Became President, The Poverty Rate For Women Under 18 Increased To 22.3 Percent From 19.2 Percent. (Current Population Survey, U.S. Census Department, Accessed 3/20/14)

1.1 Million More Women Under 18 Were In Poverty Since Obama Became President.(Current Population Survey, U.S. Census Department, Accessed 3/20/14)

Ah, but that’s all OK because Obama got women free contraception as if that’s the only thing they care about. Meanwhile, their health insurance premiums and deductibles have gone up hundreds of dollars a year. Some bargain that free contraception right?

Obama is playing gender politics and he hopes women won’t notice how much worse they are under his failed policies. Meanwhile, Republicans continue to offer solutions which are better for ALL Americans!
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From: ldjackson.net

CW on July 31, 2014 at 6:47 PM

During a floor speech on Wednesday night, Texas Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee voiced her opposition to the House Republican lawsuit against President Barack Obama and said that Democrats had never moved to impeach former President George W. Bush when he was in office.

“A historical fact that President Bush pushed this nation into a war that had little to do with apprehending terrorists,” Jackson Lee said. “We did not seek an impeachment of President Bush, because as an executive, he had his authority. President Obama has the authority.”

It’s an odd thing for Jackson Lee to say, because it was just six years ago that she helped lead a movement to impeach Bush by co-sponsoring a bill accusing him of high crimes and misdemeanors.

War on intelligence. Dems hard at work.

CW on July 31, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Because, why? Because the truth is likely to lead to fewer abortions? Wymmyns can’t handle the truth?

NotCoach on July 31, 2014 at 6:32 PM

because its patronizing to women.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 6:53 PM

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Funny what you will answer.

GIGO.

CW on July 31, 2014 at 6:55 PM

If the male justices of the Supreme Court are married, couldn’t their wives explain it to them?

Steve Z on July 31, 2014 at 6:57 PM

because its patronizing to women.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 6:53 PM

This woman doesn’t think so. Of course, I think and vote with my ‘lady smarts’ not my ‘lady parts.’

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 6:58 PM

RUTH is a traitor

TX-96 on July 31, 2014 at 7:03 PM

because its patronizing to women.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 6:53 PM

“Tangles!” Good to see you again!

Well, not really.

Alien on July 31, 2014 at 7:03 PM

because its patronizing to women.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 6:53 PM

And what do you call a Democratic party that thinks you’re not grown up enough to handle your own affairs?

They force people to take care of you.

Laughable. You’re a little girl.

CW on July 31, 2014 at 7:03 PM

“Don’t let Republicans let the government get between you and your doctor.”
—-…… But more importantly, it now seems that Obama and the other Democrats are personally OK with the idea of men now telling women how to handle their healthcare choices. Or maybe it is only all right as long as it is Democratic men giving these lectures? Maybe these sweet old Democratic gents just care more?

……. a striking example of this was made perfectly clear on Hannity. Natalie Willis, a 29-year-old woman gave her personal story about losing a healthcare plan that she really loved and how she was lectured by a Democratic man about making ‘proper’ healthcare choices. She felt betrayed by the fact that Obama had promised she could her plan, and she really did genuinely like her plan. Now, she will be forced to paying more money for the same amount of coverage (relatively speaking) under a different ObamaCare plan.

She genuinely loved her plan and insurance carrier. She even told Hannity that if she wanted a plan that covered more, she would have gone out and chosen a plan that covered more. Plus, she really loved her doctors.

Now here comes the weird part. Democratic strategist Rick Ungar responded to her story by claiming that Willis did not know what was in her plan, implying that she had not done the proper research and had purchased a subpar insurance plan. Then, he went on to argue that the ObamaCare exchanges would provide better coverage at a better price. His arguments were simply not true. He also was rather patronizing, telling her that she could buy a plan off the exchange and comparing her choice of plans to someone who goes to buy a car and does not check under the hood to see if the car actually has an engine. Amazing.

Patronizing.

Why but why???

http://lonelyconservative.com/2010/10/why-is-president-obama-patronizing-women/

CW on July 31, 2014 at 7:11 PM

“Contraceptive coverage is something that every woman must have access to to control her own destiny,” she added.

Wow. I feel bad for all those women who lived prior to 1960, who had no destiny whatsoever. But then I guess the currency traded back in those days was responsibility and self-control. How laughably backwards it all must have been.

Good thing there will be an ever-present and permanent flow of pharmaceutical contraceptives indefinitely forever and ever amen. Because they’re a God-given right for all women. I think it says so somewhere in the Bible. Too bad science only just caught up in the last 75 years.

somewhatconcerned on July 31, 2014 at 7:13 PM

The real war on wymin:

In the end, filtering out the noise of accusations barraging the voters in a desperate attempt to obfuscate the factual record of this administration is a burden that voters must bear to understand the clarity of choice in this election. Despite all the talk about supporting women by this administration, America’s women might be better off looking at the actual Obama record on health care. Beyond simply refuting the misguided presumptions of the liberal elite, voters must look out for themselves and their families, particularly in this most personal facet of life. And women ultimately might have the most to lose under another four years of this administration, one that will have no reason to hold back its extreme agenda.from Forbes

CW on July 31, 2014 at 7:13 PM

somewhatconcerned on July 31, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Good post.

Of course, to Democrats they love to patronize women as if they cannot figure out how to buy their own bc and/or condoms.

CW on July 31, 2014 at 7:15 PM

CW on July 31, 2014 at 7:03 PM

health insurance is forcing people to take care of me?
i have to be responsible for setting my own bones and doing all of my own surgeries?
are all forms of insurance socialism? what are you blathering about?

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 7:17 PM

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 7:17 PM

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Blather? Ironic. Little girl. Yes forcing people to pay for your stuff is patronizing.You really are sad. Later. Gotta go you brainwashed twit. GIGO.

CW on July 31, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Proof again, that any moron can be a congressman or senator, and any brainless twit can be a supreme court justice.

ultracon on July 31, 2014 at 7:21 PM

“All this hero worship was entirely unearned, but the left is eternally in search of a totem.”
The great irony of this is that a “totem” is actually a symbolic representation of a phallus, an appropriate description of lawless, fascist, treasonous woman-haters like Ginsburg.

russedav on July 31, 2014 at 7:25 PM

…forcing people to pay for your stuff…
CW on July 31, 2014 at 7:20 PM

oh so my original point has been true all along and all this stomping of feet and huffing and puffing was all a big old fake out cause in the end one of the main points of ginsberg’s dissent was a for profit company receiving a religious exemption and maybe thats not such a great precedent has been reduced to “ladies want to take my money to pay for their slut sex.” and thats whats making you so unhappy? jeez. must suck being you.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 7:32 PM

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Pay for your own damn birth control.

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Hard to believe there was actually a man who married this woman. I’d like to crawl around in his brain for abt 10 minutes.

Judge_Dredd on July 31, 2014 at 5:09 PM

You enjoy swimming with maggots?

ladyingray on July 31, 2014 at 7:34 PM

“Contraceptive coverage is something that every woman must have access to to control her own destiny,”

Abstinence – 100% effective. Cost – $00.00

Patriot Vet on July 31, 2014 at 7:36 PM

So, are we to take this as confirmation that Ginsberg has female genitalia?

Pork-Chop on July 31, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Argue with a child at your own peril. But I’ll bet she’s cute.

Judge_Dredd on July 31, 2014 at 6:13 PM

She’s a hag. Period.

ladyingray on July 31, 2014 at 7:41 PM

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Pay for your own damn birth control.

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 7:33 PM

i was right all along. its hard being so right all the time, people resent you for it as has been evidenced by the posters in this comment thread.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 7:44 PM

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 6:28 PM

What’s the matter, sweetie? You can’t afford $9 a month for the pill? Perhaps then you just shouldn’t have sex.

It’s not that difficult a choice for a mature person.

ladyingray on July 31, 2014 at 7:46 PM

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 7:32 PM

What are you blabbing about? Hobby Lobby covers 16 forms of birth control in their employee insurance package. That’s a fact.

ladyingray on July 31, 2014 at 7:53 PM

i was right all along. its hard being so right all the time, people resent you for it as has been evidenced by the posters in this comment thread.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 7:44 PM

You’ve been right about absolutely nothing.

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 7:54 PM

What’s the matter, sweetie? You can’t afford $9 a month for the pill? Perhaps then you just shouldn’t have sex.

It’s not that difficult a choice for a mature person.

ladyingray on July 31, 2014 at 7:46 PM

your patronizing attitude is only enforcing the correctness of my points. anyways my insurance policy through my work covers that, no copays even. crazy isn’t it?

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 8:00 PM

brushingmyhair

Hobby Lobby Decision

It doesn’t affect:

• Most birth control pills

• Condoms

• Sponges

Sterilization

It does affect:

• Plan B “morning-after pill”

• Ella “morning-after pill”

• Hormonal and copper intrauterine devices (IUDs)

The companies in the case and their supporters object to IUDs and morning-after pills, saying they cause abortions by blocking a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. Groups that lobby for reproductive rights contend the drugs and devices prevent fertilization from occurring, which can lead to unwanted pregnancies and surgical abortions.

They still offer the pill, and for you they will throw in sterilization!

Patriot Vet on July 31, 2014 at 8:04 PM

What are you blabbing about? Hobby Lobby covers 16 forms of birth control in their employee insurance package. That’s a fact.

ladyingray on July 31, 2014 at 7:53 PM

yah we already know that – the point was that one of the major points of ginsberg’s dissent was that maybe allowing religious exemptions to for profit corporations isnt such a great precedent to set. that might lead to some problems down the road. i predicted correctly that this point would be reduced to, in this comment thread at least, to “DONT TAKE MY HARD EARND MONEY TO PAY FOR YOU SLUT SEX PILLS” and thats exactly what happened. thats all, no big deal. im used to being right. you guys will get used to it too.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 8:10 PM

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 8:10 PM

I don’t ask you or anyone else to pay my freight, including my contraception.

I suggest that you do the same.

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 8:14 PM

I don’t ask you or anyone else to pay my freight, including my contraception.

I suggest that you do the same.

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 8:14 PM

its called INSURANCE thats what INSURANCE IS if you want to pay your own doctor bill without the help of insurance then good for you. i like having health insurance though. so pay your own freight.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 8:18 PM

I can’t imagine which if any genitals she even has?

And at her age, no one would be interested in lobbying her hobby.

PappyD61 on July 31, 2014 at 8:21 PM

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

Supreme Court’s Granny Clampett: menfolk ain’t got no place lawyerin’ on ladyparts http://politics.suntimes.com/article/washington/ginsburg-men-supreme-court-have-blind-spot-women/thu-07312014-854am

davidk on July 31, 2014 at 8:23 PM

If her argument is that Hobby Lobby should be forced to purchase guns for all of its employees then I see her point.

If her argument is that companies should be forced to provide birth control… because she has breasts then… she’s an idiot and shouldn’t be sitting in that chair on the court.

(But she’s allowed to stay until the GOP regains the Presidency)

(Lastly, she’s not helping the case that women can’t handle rational discussions and only think with their sex organs…)

Skywise on July 31, 2014 at 8:23 PM

What are you blabbing about? Hobby Lobby covers 16 forms of birth control in their employee insurance package. That’s a fact.
 
ladyingray on July 31, 2014 at 7:53 PM

 
yah we already know that – the point was that one of the major points of ginsberg’s dissent was that maybe allowing religious exemptions to for profit corporations isnt such a great precedent to set. that might lead to some problems down the road. i predicted correctly that this point would be reduced to, in this comment thread at least, to “DONT TAKE MY HARD EARND MONEY TO PAY FOR YOU SLUT SEX PILLS” and thats exactly what happened. thats all, no big deal. im used to being right. you guys will get used to it too.
 
brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 8:10 PM

 
And again, perhaps the (D)s should’ve considered that outcome when writing and passing the law that corporations are merely obeying.

rogerb on July 31, 2014 at 8:24 PM

its called INSURANCE thats what INSURANCE IS if you want to pay your own doctor bill without the help of insurance then good for you. i like having health insurance though. so pay your own freight.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Ok, same question at you.

Should private corporations be forced to provide guns to their employees for their protection? Y’know… as part of INSURANCE?

Skywise on July 31, 2014 at 8:25 PM

its called INSURANCE thats what INSURANCE IS if you want to pay your own doctor bill without the help of insurance then good for you. i like having health insurance though. so pay your own freight.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Contraception is not health care.

Hobby Lobby offered sixteen kinds of contraception through their insurance.

The four drugs they refused to offer were not contraception; they were baby killing drugs.

davidk on July 31, 2014 at 8:26 PM

its called INSURANCE thats what INSURANCE IS if you want to pay your own doctor bill without the help of insurance then good for you. i like having health insurance though. so pay your own freight.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 8:18 PM

But, companies have a right to decide what benefits that they wish to give their employees.

You may have a fundamental right to engage in sexual activities and to make your own reproductive choices, but you have no right to ask other people to pay for either.

And, as for Obamacare, when 85% of the people participating in the programme are receiving taxpayer subsidies, they are demanding that other people pay for all or some of their health care and contraceptives.

Again, pay for yourself and, if your employer doesn’t provide the benefits that you demand, FIND. ANOTHER. JOB.

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 8:29 PM

all this stomping of feet and huffing and puffing was …

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 7:32 PM

You’re the one stomping your feet and huffing and puffing. I need to add that you’re doing it incoherently. You provided a link that was supposed to give an example of a post-Hobby Lobby mine, but that failed.

its called INSURANCE thats what INSURANCE IS

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 8:18 PM

No, it’s called insurance industry regulation. It’s silly for you to try to claim that we don’t like insurance. Can you please write something intelligent?

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 8:32 PM

i predicted correctly that this point would be reduced to, in this comment thread at least, to “DONT TAKE MY HARD EARND MONEY TO PAY FOR YOU SLUT SEX PILLS” and thats exactly what happened. thats all, no big deal. im used to being right. you guys will get used to it too.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Self-fulfilling prophecy. You are the only one who has used the word “slut.”

davidk on July 31, 2014 at 8:33 PM

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 8:18 PM

 
The four drugs they refused to offer were not contraception; they were baby killing drugs.

davidk on July 31, 2014 at 8:26 PM

 
That, comically, Hobby Lobby offered prior to the (D)s passing Obamacare (without any (R) votes).
 
Congratulations again on your personal actions against womens choices, brushingmyhair.

rogerb on July 31, 2014 at 8:34 PM

FIND. ANOTHER. JOB.

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 8:29 PM

That presupposes it has a job now.

davidk on July 31, 2014 at 8:35 PM

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 7:32 PM

So all of your sound and fury is to signify that 8 bucks a month or free at Planned Parenthood erases your “destiny”?
That’s funny, because I paid for my own birth control when it was a hell of a lot more expensive, with NO freebies and I’ve managed to keep my 65 year destiny intacted.

Your destiny, however, is to have a vajaja crammed with men that could give a shi!t about anything but your vajaja. Enjoy, you brainless, whiny cow. MOO

AppraisHer on July 31, 2014 at 8:38 PM

That, comically, Hobby Lobby offered prior to the (D)s passing Obamacare (without any (R) votes).

Congratulations again on your personal actions against womens choices, brushingmyhair.

rogerb on July 31, 2014 at 8:34 PM

so obamacare made hobby looby stop providing those forms of contraception? thats how that happened? and now all the other companies are gonna stop covering contraception too? cause obamacare? its not that hobby lobby is trying to make a cheap political point by stopping coverage on things it once had no problem covering? and this is the proper application of the affordable care act? what? are you dense?

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Your destiny, however, is to have a vajaja crammed with men that could give a shi!t about anything but your vajaja. Enjoy, you brainless, whiny cow. MOO

AppraisHer on July 31, 2014 at 8:38 PM

even after i said you all are proving my point you still cannot help yourselves can you. so classic. i hate saying i told you so, but i told you so. im right. just accept it already. you guys are taking yourselves out with friendly fire. really.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:07 PM

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Girl, you really missed the point he was making. Maybe you should take a deep breath, think, and then write something intelligent. But remember, you need to think in order to do that.

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 9:09 PM

you guys are taking yourselves out with friendly fire.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Yeah, ok, chicken little. Run with that. LOL!

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 9:09 PM

even after i said you all are proving my point you still cannot help yourselves can you. so classic.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:07 PM

You’re proving our point perfectly! You can’t help yourself. Classic.

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 9:11 PM

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 9:11 PM

no one has made a point cept “IM NOT GONNA PAY FOR YOUR SEX PILLS YOU SLUT!” which really isn’t a point.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:15 PM

That, comically, Hobby Lobby offered prior to the (D)s passing Obamacare (without any (R) votes).
 
Congratulations again on your personal actions against womens choices, brushingmyhair.
 
rogerb on July 31, 2014 at 8:34 PM

 
so obamacare made hobby looby stop providing those forms of contraception? thats how that happened? and now all the other companies are gonna stop covering contraception too? cause obamacare? its not that hobby lobby is trying to make a cheap political point by stopping coverage on things it once had no problem covering? and this is the proper application of the affordable care act? what? are you dense?
 
brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:05 PM

 
Ah, there it is.
 
So now you’re angry that corporations are obeying your law, brushingmyhair?
 
You’re telling us it’s not the lawmakers’ but the subject’s responsibility to ensure legislation functions as the lawmakers intended?

rogerb on July 31, 2014 at 9:18 PM

<blockquoteGinsburg’s dissent, which has been ubiquitously dubbed “scathing” and/or “blistering” in the press, prompted the left to craft a cult of personality around her.

“Scathing”? No, try SCATOLOGICAL.

GarandFan on July 31, 2014 at 9:29 PM

even after i said you all are proving my point you still cannot help yourselves can you. so classic. i hate saying i told you so, but i told you so. im right. just accept it already. you guys are taking yourselves out with friendly fire. really.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Typical feminazi.. “I’m right because I say I am… oooh… I so smart… tee hee.”

Again…

Should private corporations be forced to provide guns to their employees for their protection? Y’know… as part of INSURANCE?

Skywise on July 31, 2014 at 9:29 PM

rogerb on July 31, 2014 at 9:18 PM

your point was that obamacare was taking away options for woman when HOBBY LOBBY made that decision to stop covering those forms of contraception. how is obamacare responsible for them changing their minds? i dont think the original point makes any sense.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:33 PM

She needs to stay 3 more years. But, weren’t there questions about her hired help or did the repressive msm ignore her situation?

I’m so sick and tired of every decision regressive lefties make is dependent on race, gender, sex, background, etc. They don’t seem to make a decision based on law- like the Constitution?

MN J on July 31, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Should private corporations be forced to provide guns to their employees for their protection? Y’know… as part of INSURANCE?

Skywise on July 31, 2014 at 9:29 PM

guns make bad contraception so no. but i guess if a doctor prescribed one then yes.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:38 PM

i was right all along. its hard being so right all the time, people resent you for it as has been evidenced by the posters in this comment thread.
brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 7:44 PM

ooooh…looks like somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed today…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 31, 2014 at 9:48 PM

and this is the proper application of the affordable care act? what? are you dense?
 
brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:05 PM

 
Ah, there it is.
 
So now you’re angry that corporations are obeying your law, brushingmyhair?
 
You’re telling us it’s not the lawmakers’ but the subject’s responsibility to ensure legislation functions as the lawmakers intended?
 
rogerb on July 31, 2014 at 9:18 PM

 
your point was that obamacare was taking away options for woman when HOBBY LOBBY made that decision to stop covering those forms of contraception. how is obamacare responsible for them changing their minds? i dont think the original point makes any sense.
 
brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:33 PM

 
But I’m guessing you believe that same Obamacare awareness IS responsible for the increased Medicaid signups among those who were already eligible prior to the law’s passage and that the Medicaid expansion had absolutely nothing to do with covering, correct?
 
Or do you think Obamacare awareness somehow works differently because it’s something you encouraged but oppose?
 
While we’re here, would you mind addressing my question regarding your stated position about the subjects (vs. lawmakers) being responsible for successful implementation of legislation? It was apparently important enough for you to add a personal attack for emphasis, so I want to be sure we’re understanding you correctly. Here it is again if you need:

 

You’re telling us it’s not the lawmakers’ but the subject’s responsibility to ensure legislation functions as the lawmakers intended?

rogerb on July 31, 2014 at 9:55 PM

I find this defense nothing but amusing anymore. As far as I’m concerned using it is a concession that ObamaCare blows monkey d!cks.

NotCoach on July 31, 2014 at 6:27 PM

“Suck, Mary Beth, suck! Blow is just a figure of speech!”

— oldest joke known to man

Tard on July 31, 2014 at 9:56 PM

guns make bad contraception so no. but i guess if a doctor prescribed one then yes.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:38 PM

Guns are available over the counter… so you support free guns for all. Good to know.

How about wide screen TVs? If those are doctor prescribed should companies be forced to buy them too? They DO contribute to contraception, by the way.

Skywise on July 31, 2014 at 10:03 PM

brushing is such a child. She’d never make it in a world without Big Brother. Never.

CW on July 31, 2014 at 10:17 PM

brushing, btw- you have mental issues just in case you did not know.

CW on July 31, 2014 at 10:19 PM

How about wide screen TVs? If those are doctor prescribed should companies be forced to buy them too? They DO contribute to contraception, by the way.

Skywise on July 31, 2014 at 10:03 PM

you gonna make some point about like what? people getting everything for free and you having to pay for it? and then like people wanting things that i dont think they deserve or is right or moral or something? cause getting guns for free is the same as healthcare?

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 10:19 PM

In her case a blind spot is a good thing to have. Hopefully the last of the crazed old feminists who don’t realize they won the war on paternalism. Her attitude should be that women today are so strong and independent they don’t need men paying for their birth control.

pgrossjr on July 31, 2014 at 10:24 PM

you gonna make some point about like what? people getting everything for free and you having to pay for it? and then like people wanting things that i dont think they deserve or is right or moral or something? cause getting guns for free is the same as healthcare?

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 10:19 PM

Yeah.. I AM MAKING THAT POINT and you’re figuring out that your arguments have no rational basis other than “I think it feels good, tee-hee.”

And let’s clarify that point, we’re not talking healthcare here… we’re talking birth control and we’re talking about imposing one’s moral beliefs on another. You want to impose YOUR morals on others by forcing Hobby Lobby to support your moral beliefs towards birth control.

Skywise on July 31, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Little hair girl,,,act like a grownup. If your employer gives you substandard benefits either negotiate or quit. Of course, you would rather have big brother do it for you. you’re a child.

CW on July 31, 2014 at 10:37 PM

And let’s clarify that point, we’re not talking healthcare here… we’re talking birth control and we’re talking about imposing one’s moral beliefs on another. You want to impose YOUR morals on others by forcing Hobby Lobby to support your moral beliefs towards birth control.

Skywise

Apparently brushingherpubes doesn’t have any morals. She’s a slut after all! LOL!

JAM on July 31, 2014 at 10:39 PM

you’re figuring out that your arguments have no rational basis

Skywise on July 31, 2014 at 10:31 PM

haha yah my arguments have no rational basis thats why hobby lobby covers so many different kinds of contraception already. cause contraception isnt a healthcare issue. no no thats just why health insurance companies cover contraception. they cover it cause it is the opposite of healthcare. because? so youre wrong again. like how could you even make that “argument” in the first place? (i put argument in scare quotes cause it really wasnt an argument.)

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 10:44 PM

Apparently brushingherpubes doesn’t have any morals. She’s a slut after all! LOL!

JAM on July 31, 2014 at 10:39 PM

ya only the moral people get to call people sluts cause like their morals are the best morals ever and cannot ever be questioned cause then the moral people will be all like WE ARE THE TRUE VICTIMS!

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 11:07 PM

no one has made a point cept “IM NOT GONNA PAY FOR YOUR SEX PILLS YOU SLUT!” which really isn’t a point.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 9:15 PM

You don’t even know the difference between insurance coverage and insurance regulation. You certainly didn’t understand anyone’s point.

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 11:17 PM

cause contraception isnt a healthcare issue. no no thats just why health insurance companies cover contraception. they cover it cause it is the opposite of healthcare. because?

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 10:44 PM

CO2 isn’t a pollutant, but it’s regulated by EPA anyway. Are you really this clueless about government regulation?

so youre wrong again.

Do you really not realize that people are messing with you?

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 11:21 PM

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 11:17 PM

go ahead corkie go ahead and make your point about insurance regulation. you know you wanna do it. just go ahead and let it out. itll feel good. go ahead. make the point. insurance regulation. do it. do it.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Genitals….Jew!

rgranger on July 31, 2014 at 11:30 PM

go ahead corkie go ahead and make your point about insurance regulation. you know you wanna do it. just go ahead and let it out. itll feel good. go ahead. make the point. insurance regulation. do it. do it.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 11:22 PM

I’m not going to be able to educate you within a thread. You lack the proper foundation. Sorry.

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 11:30 PM

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 11:30 PM

hahahahaha. thats a convenient excuse. so you don’t have any point after all. who woulda guessed that? not me. i was sure you had a point about insurance regulation.guess not. or you figured out your point was wrong already and are embarrassed? either way.

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 11:43 PM

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 11:21 PM

CO2 isnt a pollutant? cause exxon told you so?

brushingmyhair on August 1, 2014 at 12:00 AM

Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Male justices can’t understand Hobby Lobby case because genitals

Impartial.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 1, 2014 at 12:06 AM

haha yah my arguments have no rational basis thats why hobby lobby covers so many different kinds of contraception already. cause contraception isnt a healthcare issue. no no thats just why health insurance companies cover contraception. they cover it cause it is the opposite of healthcare. because? so youre wrong again. like how could you even make that “argument” in the first place? (i put argument in scare quotes cause it really wasnt an argument.)

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 10:44 PM

“I so can too debate! tee-hee… birth control is health care aha! take that, teehee”

Recall what I said “We’re not talking health care here, we’re talking birth control” See, Hobby Lobby covers and CONTINUES to cover drugs that serve dual purposes as to save the life of a mother as well as work as birth control. They don’t cover drugs that can be purely used as birth control.

So, once again, you’re actually arguing against what you think you’re arguing for.

“tee hee”

Oh and CO2? Best you stop exhaling and contributing to the death of mother earth now… y’hear?

Skywise on August 1, 2014 at 12:20 AM

ya only the moral people get to call people sluts cause like their morals are the best morals ever and cannot ever be questioned cause then the moral people will be all like WE ARE THE TRUE VICTIMS!

brushingmyhair on July 31, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Soo… you’re saying your amoral?

Shocka…

Skywise on August 1, 2014 at 12:21 AM

Recall what I said “We’re not talking health care here, we’re talking birth control” See, Hobby Lobby covers and CONTINUES to cover drugs that serve dual purposes as to save the life of a mother as well as work as birth control. They don’t cover drugs that can be purely used as birth control.

Skywise on August 1, 2014 at 12:20 AM

are you using abortifacients interchangeably with birth control? hobby lobby insurance does cover birth control/contraception drugs that are purely used as contraceptive drugs. and they used to cover the abortifacients too. so i dunno. what? if the drugs are prescribed just as contraception (and not as an abortifacient) youre saying that wont be covered? i never heard that one. is that true? id like to see that if it is.

brushingmyhair on August 1, 2014 at 1:07 AM

Liberalism is an evil philosophy. It leads to slavery. Only the gospel of Christ can help their blindness.

Perspicacious on August 1, 2014 at 1:20 AM

Ruth and the hags who’re with her are dumber than Jeantel.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2014 at 1:51 AM

It is truly atrocious that such a nitwit sits in the SC.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2014 at 1:52 AM

For the idiots on this thread, incl. Ruth – HL has, and continues to cover 16 contraceptives. The HL decision grants them the right to not cover the other 4.

All of you stupid people, run your heads into your mirrors, gnats.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2014 at 1:55 AM

Aside from HL, all of you, males/females, buy your own fu**ing pills.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2014 at 1:56 AM

9 male SC justices decided the Roe v. Wade case, you ugly scumhag.

Schadenfreude on August 1, 2014 at 1:58 AM

The Shrunken Prune speaks!

Shrink on, Shrunken Prune!

Sherman1864 on August 1, 2014 at 2:36 AM

I hope Ruth Bader didn’t reproduce.

I’m all in favor of every form of contraception in her case.

Such infantile prevaricating drivel shouldn’t propagate.

profitsbeard on August 1, 2014 at 3:27 AM

Arguing for what are essentially separate but equal systems of justice based on circumstances of birth is not a liberal notion.

Balderdash. You are so wrong here.

Liberals believe that women should be treated differently based on being born a woman: See Eric Holder suing police departments for holding women to the same standards as they hold men.

Liberals believe that minorities should be treated differently based on being born minorities: See affirmative action and lower standards for minorities in hiring, accepting into college and giving them government contracts.

Liberals are the most sexist and racist people out there. They are always pointing out race and gender. Conservatives, generally speaking, couldn’t care less about race or gender. We are the ones judging people by their character instead of pigeonholing them into categories based off their race or gender.

Theophile on August 1, 2014 at 4:52 AM

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