Is Hamas calling it quits?

posted at 12:01 pm on July 31, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Over the course of the four-week-long conflict in the Gaza strip, Hamas, the governing authority in that territory, has rejected a variety of ceasefire proposals. Many of those were submitted by Arab negotiators, including Egypt and the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority. One ceasefire Hamas found favorable, submitted by United State Secretary of State John Kerry, was deemed so favorable to Hamas that Israel’s security cabinet rejected it unanimously.

On Thursday, a sign of hope emerged indicating that the conflict will soon come to a close. According to one unconfirmed report in the Arabic language Quds Press International News Agency, Hamas has consented to allow proxies to negotiate a long-term ceasefire agreement with Israel (translation of the text via Google):

Hamas and across the head of its political bureau, Khaled Meshaal, has given the green light to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to negotiate a long-term truce and discuss and amend the Egyptian initiative presented by President [Abdel Fattah] Sisi for both the Palestinian and Israeli sides, on the imposition of calm in the sector of the ceasefire by Israel and the resistance movements in the Gaza Strip.

There is plenty of reason to be skeptical of this latest report, the most glaring of which is the claim that Meshaal is amenable to a ceasefire negotiated by Egypt. While that Arab state enjoys a traditional role as a key negotiator in conflicts between Israel and the various Palestinian governing entities, Sisi has a cool relationship with Hamas.

As The New York Times reported Wednesday, the Arab states are leery of Hamas and view their rejection of a number of ceasefire proposals as irresponsible. The rejection of a ceasefire proposal submitted by Cairo, which The Times notes “met most of Israel’s demands and none from the Palestinian group,” has sapped the region of much of its goodwill toward Hamas.

“King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia called President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt the next day to commend it, Mr. Sisi’s office said, in a statement that cast no blame on Israel but referred only to ‘the bloodshed of innocent civilians who are paying the price for a military confrontation for which they are not responsible,’” The Times reported.

Egyptian officials have directly or implicitly blamed Hamas instead of Israel for Palestinian deaths in the fighting, even when, for example, United Nations schools have been hit by Israeli shells, something that occurred again on Wednesday.

Hamas is surely losing friends in the region, but they continue to be buoyed by the amount of support they have received in Western press outlets, on the streets of Europe, and in the United Nations. On Thursday, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay, accused both Hamas and Israel of crimes of war. That alone may lead Hamas to believe they can negotiate more favorable ceasefire terms down the road.

The Quds report is an interesting development, but there are many reasons to take it with a grain of salt. For now.


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The idiot was shameless this morning on the portion I could stand before having to turn to something else.

otlset on July 31, 2014 at 12:12 PM

What a surprise, Morning Jew has never been supportive of Israel.

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Another Poll:

https://twitter.com/TimesofIsrael

The Times of Israel @TimesofIsrael · 7s

Poll: 85% of Israeli Jews want to keep fighting http://dlvr.it/6TX7G9

http://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-85-of-israeli-jews-want-to-keep-fighting/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

canopfor on July 31, 2014 at 1:33 PM

More Polling:

https://twitter.com/IsraelMFA

Israel Foreign Min. @IsraelMFA · 23h

Report by @pewresearch shows that American #support for Israel is in a historical high. http://wapo.st/1nEQuiZ

https://twitter.com/IsraelMFA/status/494558317495455744/photo/1

canopfor on July 31, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Team Hopey that Clueless, er, Obtuse:

https://twitter.com/IsraelMFA

Retweeted by Israel Foreign Min.
Embassy of Israel @IsraelinUSA · Jul 29

Fact: Hamas is labeled a terrorist org by @StateDept. http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2011/09/173352.htm … | pic.twitter.com/DjbK89yd2b #Gaza

https://twitter.com/IsraelinUSA/status/459333538970472448/photo/1

canopfor on July 31, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Otherwise, I’ll continue to believe that it was a Israel shell.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Of course you will – you’re just another useful idiot for the muslim terrorists – and will be until they carve your head off for being an infidel.

dentarthurdent on July 31, 2014 at 1:44 PM

What a surprise, Morning Jew has never been supportive of Israel.

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2014 at 1:31 PM

True, but rarely has their contempt been that obvious.

Athos on July 31, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Otherwise, I’ll continue to believe that it was a Israel shell.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Of course you will – you’re just another useful idiot for the muslim terrorists – and will be until they carve your head off for being an infidel.

dentarthurdent on July 31, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Just show me the “proof” it wasn’t an Israel shell. I haven’t been able to find it.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Just show me the “proof” it wasn’t an Israel shell. I haven’t been able to find it.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Show me the proof it wasn’t a Hamas rocket.
Show me the proof that Hamas doesn’t kill their own people just for the PR value.
Show me the proof Hamas has NEVER lied about these incidents before.

dentarthurdent on July 31, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Show me the proof it wasn’t a Hamas rocket.
Show me the proof that Hamas doesn’t kill their own people just for the PR value.
Show me the proof Hamas has NEVER lied about these incidents before.

dentarthurdent on July 31, 2014 at 1:56 PM

BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff
July 31, 2014 10:20 am

Part of the way through a live interview, Israeli Ambassador to the United States Ron Dermer asked NBC’s Chuck Todd if the network would correct a false accusation made by Gaza-based reporter and Hamas sympathizer, Ayman Mohyeldin.

Mohyeldin claimed on Twitter and in a report for NBC News that an Israeli drone had attacked a United Nations facility, killing more than a dozen civilians. The claim led to widespread condemnation of Israel. Yet an investigation proved that the cause of the explosion was a rocket from Islamic Jihad that fell short of its target in Israel, landing in Gaza.

After Dermer asked Todd to correct the story, Todd changed the subject and then ended the interview.

The Israeli Ambassador to the US claimed the investigation “proved” this. I haven’t seen the “proof”.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Just show me the “proof” it wasn’t an Israel shell. I haven’t been able to find it.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Given your proclivity for picking at nits, moving goalposts, and otherwise being a troll, just what, specifically, would comprise of ‘proof’ that would change what you ‘believe’ to be the case?

Well, beyond a cognizant analysis of the evidence?

You see, I don’t think you’ll accept any Israeli source as ‘proof’ regardless of its veracity.

I also don’t think you’ll accept the 20-25% of rockets fired out of Gaza by Hamas that never make it out of Gaza – hitting their own people / buildings.

I also don’t think that you’ll accept that Hamas lies in their propaganda efforts and much of the corrupt Western media is / has been facilitative and complicit in those lies.

Nor do I think you’ll accept as ‘proof’ that it is not Israel the fact that NBC largely scrubbed references by their Arab reporter that an Israeli shell hit or an IDF drone fired the shot.

All that counts for you is that you ‘believe’ it to be true, and you only see what you believe – anything else has to be wrong.

Athos on July 31, 2014 at 2:06 PM

I see the useful idiot is back.

gh on July 31, 2014 at 2:08 PM

I haven’t seen the “proof”.

jimbo56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Was the “proof” I gave you of al Qaeda using military terminology sufficient in the Lois Lerner discussion from yesterday?

For some reason, you didn’t seem to want to return to that thread. Wonder why?

Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2014 at 2:09 PM

I see the useful idiot infidel is back.

gh on July 31, 2014 at 2:08 PM

FTFY. :-)

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 2:10 PM

If they stop tomorrow its meaningless, they’ll be back.

Israel has to clean out this rats nest once and for all or they will play this game every few years forever … or until Iran delivers a nuclear weapon to them.

Annex Gaza PERMANENTLY, arrest and execute any and all members of Hamas. Tell the Gazan’s they are non-voting citizens of the Israeli Territory of Gaza and when they start behaving like civilized people Israel will consider cutting them loose … until then get used to being occupied.

clippermiami on July 31, 2014 at 2:10 PM

I haven’t seen the “proof”.

jimbo56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Was the “proof” I gave you of al Qaeda using military terminology sufficient in the Lois Lerner discussion from yesterday?

For some reason, you didn’t seem to want to return to that thread. Wonder why?

Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2014 at 2:09 PM

No it wasn’t.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:11 PM

W

ell, beyond a cognizant analysis of the evidence?

You see, I don’t think you’ll accept any Israeli source as ‘proof’ regardless of its veracity.

I also don’t think you’ll accept the 20-25% of rockets fired out of Gaza by Hamas that never make it out of Gaza – hitting their own people / buildings.

I also don’t think that you’ll accept that Hamas lies in their propaganda efforts and much of the corrupt Western media is / has been facilitative and complicit in those lies.

Nor do I think you’ll accept as ‘proof’ that it is not Israel the fact that NBC largely scrubbed references by their Arab reporter that an Israeli shell hit or an IDF drone fired the shot.

All that counts for you is that you ‘believe’ it to be true, and you only see what you believe – anything else has to be wrong.

Athos on July 31, 2014 at 2:06 PM

How about the details of the proof claimed by the ambassador, as a start?

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Doesn’t quite work for me. After all we are the infidels. Perhaps “useless infidel”?

gh on July 31, 2014 at 2:14 PM

I haven’t seen the “proof”.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Of course not.
You refuse to see anything that contradicts your libtard beliefs.

dentarthurdent on July 31, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Hudna time!

PattyJ on July 31, 2014 at 2:17 PM

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Doesn’t quite work for me. After all we are the infidels. Perhaps “useless infidel”?

gh on July 31, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Fine with me. That would cover you, Del Delmonte, dentarthurdent and most of the conservative posters here.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Doesn’t quite work for me. After all we are the infidels. Perhaps “useless infidel”?

gh on July 31, 2014 at 2:14 PM

For Islamists, he’s an Useful Infidel.

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 2:21 PM

How about the details of the proof claimed by the ambassador, as a start?

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Because, of course, the word of the Ambassador isn’t sufficient for the Great Buck Howard Jimbo….

Just admit that you’re constructing an eye of the needle so narrow, that it’s effectively impossible for you to change your ‘belief’. It’s clear the word of an Ambassador who has very much to lose by being obviously proven wrong (where, BTW, is your ‘proof’ that it was Israeli – you were asked this before by someone else…) and has not been an obvious propagandizing lying shill like Hamas or the NBC News hack who made the claim.

If you had access to the IDF specifics, I GUARANTEE you, I’d be doing multiple ‘Jimbo Nit Alerts’ over the nits you’ll pick to defend your unwillingness admit error.

Athos on July 31, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Because, of course, the word of the Ambassador isn’t sufficient for the Great Buck Howard Jimbo….

Just admit that you’re constructing an eye of the needle so narrow, that it’s effectively impossible for you to change your ‘belief’. It’s clear the word of an Ambassador who has very much to lose by being obviously proven wrong (where, BTW, is your ‘proof’ that it was Israeli – you were asked this before by someone else…) and has not been an obvious propagandizing lying shill like Hamas or the NBC News hack who made the claim.

If you had access to the IDF specifics, I GUARANTEE you, I’d be doing multiple ‘Jimbo Nit Alerts’ over the nits you’ll pick to defend your unwillingness admit error.

Athos on July 31, 2014 at 2:23 PM

No, idiot. I’m asking for the details of the “proof” he claimed to have. I haven’t been able to find it anywhere and this article is the only one with the Ambassador’s claim.

I’ll accept the word of all governmental officials globally as long as you’ll accept the word of all governmental officials globally.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Jim, how would you conduct the war if you were on the Israeli side??? I believe Israel is doing everything it can to avoid civilian casualties. Mistakes are going to happen and can you name a war in world history that mistakes were not made? Generals with the most carefulness will run into something unexpected and unpredicted consequences will happen as it does in every war. I just wondered what you would do if you were an Israeli,,, just sit back and take the rocket attacks forever????

garydt on July 31, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Long term peace settlement definition; Hamas rearming time.

Don L on July 31, 2014 at 2:41 PM

I just wondered what you would do if you were an Israeli,,, just sit back and take the rocket attacks forever????

garydt on July 31, 2014 at 2:34 PM

He doesn’t see any proof of Hamas rocket attacks….

dentarthurdent on July 31, 2014 at 2:50 PM

There are parts they don’t use for sausage?

viking01 on July 31, 2014 at 12:56 PM

A few, but that is called scrapple.

katy the mean old lady on July 31, 2014 at 2:53 PM

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:32 PM

I can lend you a backhoe.

katy the mean old lady on July 31, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Jim do you also deny that the Brits were being bombed in the Blitz during WW2. Do you think the Brits just made that up?

garydt on July 31, 2014 at 2:58 PM

dentarthurdent on July 31, 2014 at 1:44 PM

He doesn’t worry about that. If they ever come for him he will enthusiastically convert..

yesiamapirate on July 31, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Suck it up, Jim56:

http://twitchy.com/2014/07/29/italian-journalist-al-shati-massacre-caused-by-hamas-misfire-not-israel/

See, when on the ground in Gaza, European journalists toe the line – just as soon as they are out of there nd not subject to being killed – supposedly by Israel (yeah, right) – the truth comes out.

PJ Emeritus on July 31, 2014 at 3:08 PM

And, this being an Israeli source, I imagine it is automatically not proof – despite aerial photos of the actual rocket trajectory, right Bimbo?

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/29/idf-photo-shows-trajectory-of-terrorists’-rockets-that-struck-gazas-shifa-hospital-shati-camp/

PJ Emeritus on July 31, 2014 at 3:17 PM

In addition to the above post, it seems that Hamas has a habit of threatening retaliation against journalists who don’t toe their line or are willing Hamas propagandists….

In the link, the Italian journalist’s tweets are also referenced….

But journalists who haves left the Hamas controlled territory – no longer fearing retaliation from the militant group – are confirming Israel’s claims that Hamas is operating out of hospitals and firing rockets from civilian neighborhoods – using their citizens as human shields – killing their fellow Palestinians when rocket attacks don’t reach Israel and detonate in Gaza.

The Twitchy link above has a lot more than just one or two tweets from Gabriele Barbati …..but some of those come from Israel, so likely to be ignored or nitted to death.

Athos on July 31, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Just show me the “proof” it wasn’t an Israel shell. I haven’t been able to find it.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 1:52 PM

jim56: Marie Harf,..the Smart Ass!!

Israeli-Palestinian conflict
40m
US State Department Spokeswoman Marie Harf on UN school hit in Gaza: ‘Not a lot of doubt about whose artillery it was’ – @margbrennan

https://twitter.com/margbrennan

canopfor on July 31, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Just show me the “proof” it wasn’t an Israel shell. I haven’t been able to find it.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 1:52 PM

What a stunning imbecile you are.

Midas on July 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM

PJ Emeritus —You’re getting your bombings mixed up. The ones I referenced were at a school yesterday and a market.

Canopfor the following doesn’t absolve Israel given what Harf also said below:

Israeli-Palestinian conflict
40m
US State Department Spokeswoman Marie Harf on UN school hit in Gaza: ‘Not a lot of doubt about whose artillery it was’ – @margbrennan

https://twitter.com/margbrennan
canopfor on July 31, 2014 at 3:19 PM

“The Obama administration condemned the shelling but stopped short of blaming Israel. Marie Harf, a State Department spokeswoman, said Israel should take additional steps to avoid civilian casualties and that U.N. facilities shouldn’t be targets.:

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 3:31 PM

PJ Emeritus on July 31, 2014 at 3:08 PM
PJ Emeritus on July 31, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Sgt Jimbo Schulz “I see NUTHINK. I know NUTHINGK.”

dentarthurdent on July 31, 2014 at 3:34 PM

“The Obama administration condemned the shelling but stopped short of blaming Israel. Marie Harf, a State Department spokeswoman, said Israel should take additional steps to avoid civilian casualties and that U.N. facilities shouldn’t be targets.:

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 3:31 PM

And of course the same people who blamed an internet video for the attack in Benghazi, and have been tap-dancing around it ever since, would NEVER lie or obfuscate about something like that….

dentarthurdent on July 31, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Hamas is surely losing friends in the region, but they continue to be buoyed by the amount of support they have received in Western press outlets

There is a different reason for that. Being pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel when it comes to conflicts with Palestinians is a “progressive” shibboleth. You can not be a “true progressive” and be anti-Hamas in this. Most of the press are “progressives” so they must continue taking the same old tired line in order to maintain their bona fides as “true progressives” even when it doesn’t make sense to do so.

Being pro-Hamas is just one of those things that are expected from a progressive liberal.

crosspatch on July 31, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Being pro-Hamas is just one of those things that are expected from a progressive liberal.

crosspatch on July 31, 2014 at 3:51 PM

To me, it’s a hilarious show of idiocy that the leftists so blindly support the one group of people – radical Muslims – who if given the chance would immediately execute all gays, feminists, atheists (really all non-Muslims), adulterers, all women who don’t completely cover themselves, etc – just because of their chosen “lifestyle”.

Basically, under Muslim rule, ALL of the best-of-the-best of the left would be the first to be executed – and yet those are the people they side with.
Just mind-boggling.

dentarthurdent on July 31, 2014 at 4:02 PM

“Nuke the entire site from orbit–it’s the only way to be sure”

Tard on July 31, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Jimbo, in addition to being a liar, you are an insufferable troll….

PJ Emeritus —You’re getting your bombings mixed up. The ones I referenced were at a school yesterday and a market.
jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 3:31 PM

That’s your latest claim to dodge admitting being wrong – a pure move of the goalposts / new nit to pick from the bottom of the hole that you dug for yourself. (Katy – he’s doing very well without the backhoe, TYVM…)

Here’s the copy of the comment by novaculus where you first made your demand for ‘proof’….

Mohyeldin claimed on Twitter and in a report for NBC News that an Israeli drone had attacked a United Nations facility, killing more than a dozen civilians. The claim led to widespread condemnation of Israel. Yet an investigation proved that the cause of the explosion was a rocket from Islamic Jihad that fell short of its target in Israel, landing in Gaza.
Of course, Chuck Todd ran away when confronted with the false report and a request for a correction.

novaculus on July 31, 2014 at 12:29 PM

So, let’s see the “proof” from the investigation. And let’s see who was responsible for the bombing of the shopping area at the same time.

Otherwise, I’ll continue to believe that it was a Israel shell.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 1:08 PM

The key that points you to be a liar is the name that he used who made the claim – Mohyeldin. That’s Ayman Mohyeldin, NBC News reporter, and as the Washington Free Beacon correctly notes is a Hamas shill / supporter. What novaculus is referencing is this NBC News report highlighting not only damage and casualties to the Shifa Hospital, but the UNRWA

Al-Shati refugee camp in northern Gaza. A Palestinian health official says at least 10 people, including children, were killed in Monday’s strikes and dozens were injured.

That latter strike is the primary one that Mohyeldin reported on, and the NBC News later had to scrub from their twitter account after the accusation was made that the strike on the UN refugee camp was made by an ‘Israeli drone’.

You inserted ‘shopping area’ in what I suspect was a deliberate attempt to give yourself an ‘out’ if fisked and proof was provided. ‘Shopping areas’ aren’t UN facilities. Nor is there specific information related to Mohyeldin reporting on a ‘shopping area’ being hit at the same time. That’s purely your addition.

Then came the references to the statements by the Israeli Ambassador to reports that the UN facility – which novaculus specifically defined as the target initially – was actually done by a Hamas missile that landed well short / off target and not Israel. (The UN facility referenced is clearly the Al-Shati camp – as that’s what Mohyeldin reported on.)

Here’s from your response at 2:05pm that effectively acknowledged the discussion is about Al-Shati and that you needed more ‘proof’ than just the word of the Israeli Ambassador. In fact, the direct implication is that a Hamas shill / sycophant, Mohyeldin, has more veracity, in your feeble and biased mind, than an Ambassador.

BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff
July 31, 2014 10:20 am

Part of the way through a live interview, Israeli Ambassador to the United States Ron Dermer asked NBC’s Chuck Todd if the network would correct a false accusation made by Gaza-based reporter and Hamas sympathizer, Ayman Mohyeldin.

Mohyeldin claimed on Twitter and in a report for NBC News that an Israeli drone had attacked a United Nations facility, killing more than a dozen civilians. The claim led to widespread condemnation of Israel. Yet an investigation proved that the cause of the explosion was a rocket from Islamic Jihad that fell short of its target in Israel, landing in Gaza.

After Dermer asked Todd to correct the story, Todd changed the subject and then ended the interview.

The Israeli Ambassador to the US claimed the investigation “proved” this. I haven’t seen the “proof”.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:05 PM

PJ Emeritus provided you with proof on this attack being caused by a Hamas missile with the statement of an Italian journalist. The link also included additional Israeli proof of the strike showing the rocket path’s once Hamas launched that salvo. Rather than acknowledge you were wrong, you move the goalposts saying the focus has to be on a ‘school and market’ that wasn’t the subject of the original post you responded to. You were the only one to interject a ‘shopping area’ – as I again assert was a deliberate obfuscation to give you an out when proven wrong (again).

Again, here’s a link to the original story where Mohyeldin has a byline. The only other attack referenced at that time was the strike on the hospital, also caused by a Hamas missile. No reference whatsoever in the NBC report by Mohyeldin that there was a ‘shopping area’ or ‘school’ or ‘market’ hit at the same time. But Shifa’s hit and the Al-Shati hit were quite close in time. ‘Close succession’ was the specific term used.

Link to NBC News report – one of the reporters making the accusation / writing the piece: Ayman Mohyeldin

What’s clear is you have an absolute zero level of credibility. When confronted with evidence, you either deny it, ignore it, move the goalposts, or find some nit / hair to split to avoid accountability for being an asinine troll.

You initially argued over the Al-Shati refugee camp hit, but added a ‘shopping area’ which then morphed into a ‘school’ and ‘market’ as an incredibly lame effort of nit picking / hair splitting, and deflection. Now despite the evidence over Al-Shati, your argument is entirely moved onto being about a non-specific ‘shopping area’ and / or ‘school’ and ‘market’.

That’s your standard MO and is as fundamentally dishonest as can be.

Athos on July 31, 2014 at 4:47 PM

If we ever needed a final kick in the pants to get us OUT of the UN, their harboring Hamas weapons and terrorists should do it.

It won’t under this President, who loves the Muslim Brotherhood for some reason, but he only has another 903 days left to screw things up.

Adjoran on July 31, 2014 at 4:49 PM

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 1:52 PM

So, Jim, are you still trying to pass off that canard that you are not pro-Hamas?

zoyclem on July 31, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Athos on July 31, 2014 at 4:47 PM

That’s gonna leave a mark.

Good job.

hillbillyjim on July 31, 2014 at 4:59 PM

If Israel is tired of the rockets, perhaps then they should end the occupation?

fatlibertarianinokc on July 31, 2014 at 5:06 PM

If Israel is tired of the rockets, perhaps then they should end the occupation?

fatlibertarianinokc on July 31, 2014 at 5:06 PM

So you’re one of the drive the Joooos into the sea types huh?

gwelf on July 31, 2014 at 5:14 PM

If Israel is tired of the rockets, perhaps then they should end the occupation?

fatlibertarianinokc on July 31, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Looks like Jimbo ran away and changed his sock – too many holes shot in the first one…..

dentarthurdent on July 31, 2014 at 5:16 PM

If Israel is tired of the rockets, perhaps then they should end the occupation?

fatlibertarianinokc on July 31, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Why do so many anti-Israel morons continuously refer to Gaza as being occupied when Israel forcibly withdrew their citizens from Gaza in 2005?

If they want to reference the blockade that requires shipments into Gaza be inspected, aren’t they smart enough to use the proper term – blockade?

And if they want to whinge / complain over the blockade, where is their angst and anger over Egypt’s active participation in blockading Gaza?

Perhaps it’s related to their fundamental inability to understand cause and effect – as without Hamas firing dozens / hundreds of missiles per day into Israeli kibbutz’s, towns, and cities, the vast majority of which were done without IDF reprisal, no Isareli would be in Gaza today?

If Hamas was so certain that Israel was the evil entity, why not agree to the cease-fires and stop firing missiles into Israel, destroy their tunnels into Israel and Egypt, demilitarize, and wait for what the anti-Israelis say is Israel’s inherent brutality get clearly demonstrated before the entire world?

Answer – it’s because it’s not Israel that is in the wrong here.

Of course, with all of the false compassion, how about your angst over Hamas killing around 160 children building their tunnels into Israel?

Athos on July 31, 2014 at 5:30 PM

I haven’t seen the “proof”.

jimbo56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Was the “proof” I gave you of al Qaeda using military terminology sufficient in the Lois Lerner discussion from yesterday?

For some reason, you didn’t seem to want to return to that thread. Wonder why?

Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2014 at 2:09 PM

No it wasn’t.

jimbo56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Tell us why it wasn’t.

For those who were sleeping in the wee hours, jimbo56 claimed:

You’re the one who claimed they did use military definitions. If you think bullets and guns are military definitions, then almost all the hunters in the US are in the military.

jimbo56 on July 30, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Relevant part of my response follows. Thanks so much, Jimbo56, for not being afraid to be shown to be utterly clueless.

F-

I now have the link (from PBS, hardly a Far-Right source) that cites the exact military words used in said translated al Qaeda training manual. They lead off the very first lesson.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/network/alqaeda/manual.html

FIRST LESSON

Principles of Military Organization:

Military Organization has three main principles without which it cannot be established.

Military Organization commander and advisory council

The soldiers (individual members)

A clearly defined strategy

Military Organization Requirements:

The Military Organization dictates a number of requirements to assist it in confrontation and endurance. These are:

Forged documents and counterfeit currency

Apartments and hiding places

Communication means

Transportation means

Information

Arms and ammunition

Transport

Next Lesson

Missions Required of the Military Organization:

The main mission for which the Military Organization is responsible is:

The overthrow of the godless regimes and their replacement with an Islamic regime. Other missions consist of the following:

Gathering information about the enemy, the land, the installations, and the neighbors.

Kidnaping enemy personnel, documents, secrets, and arms.

Assassinating enemy personnel as well as foreign tourists.

Freeing the brothers who are captured by the enemy.

Spreading rumors and writing statements that instigate people against the enemy.

Blasting and destroying the places of amusement, immorality, and sin; not a vital target.

Blasting and destroying the embassies and attacking vital economic centers.

Blasting and destroying bridges leading into and out of the cities.

Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2014 at 5:36 PM

I’ll accept the word of all governmental officials globally, except when Del posts the text of a captured al Qaeda training manual that was released by the British Government.

jimbo56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:32 PM

FIFY

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Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2014 at 5:41 PM

LOL, don’t go away mad, Jimbo56, just go away.

As usual, in this thread you had your getalife kicked into low Earth orbit.

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Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2014 at 5:44 PM

How come this Jim and Ned can’t answer simple questions that I asks. Ned prefers Obama being king and he won’t tell me why he likes that instead of having a constitutional republic. Jim can’t give me any answers on how Israel is supposed to defend its self. Why on earth are these such difficult questions?

garydt on July 31, 2014 at 6:03 PM

If Israel is tired of the rockets, perhaps then they should end the occupation?

fatlibertarianinokc on July 31, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Israel left Gaza completely in 2005. Did that stop the rockets?

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Report: 300 Rockets Fired By Hamas Have Landed On Palestinians In Gaza…

More than a third of the 140 rockets fired by Hamas at Israel yesterday fell short and exploded inside the Gaza Strip, according to the Israeli Army spokesman’s office.

Rocket shortfalls have increased, according to Israeli military sources. They attribute these misfires to the intense pressure Hamas rocket squads face from Israeli air and artillery attacks, as well as poorly assembled rockets.

Some 2,000 rockets have been fired at Israel since the fighting between Israel and Hamas began three weeks ago. Of these, say army officers, about 300 have fallen inside the Gaza Strip. The army spokesman said shortfalls were responsible for explosions three days ago at a hospital and a refugee camp that took dozens of lives. Hamas has denied the accusation and blamed Israel for the blasts.

Keep reading…

Resist We Much on July 31, 2014 at 6:15 PM

“Israeli military sources”? “Army spokesman”? Of COURSE they’d lie about that — I want real sources, that only I trust. — jim56

Alien on July 31, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Questions for jim56 (that will go unanswered):

How many of the Palestinian fatalities are Hamas fighters? Israel can tell us exactly how many of its soldiers and citizens have been killed. Why not Hamas?

What does a Hamas military uniform look like? You know, the ones that they are supposed to be wearing to identify themselves as “enemy combatants”? Can you link to a photo of one?

Can you link to a photo of any number of dead Hamas soldiers wearing their uniforms?

Alien on July 31, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Hamas will quit WHEN they figure they have milked all the positive world sympathy propaganda from all the destroyed children (real or imagined) that they deliberately put in harm’s way and BEFORE Israel gets to do serious infrastructure damage.

As has happened again and again and again the ones who started this mess will skate away with a resounding propaganda victory and clunky Israel will be stuck with world-wide condemnation and demands that they pay all the damage.

Moral of the story. Do not let your enemy off with shots across the bow, destroy him!!!!

MaiDee on July 31, 2014 at 6:58 PM

If Israel is tired of the rockets, perhaps then they should end the occupation?

fatlibertarianinokc on July 31, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Most reasonably informed people knew the occupation ended over 6 years ago. Even the idiots figured it out a couple of weeks ago. You must really lie far to the left on the IQ bell curve. Drive-by trolling is just going to get you into trouble.

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Hamas has consented to allow proxies to negotiate a long-term ceasefire agreement with Israel

So they can DENY “consent” later.

GarandFan on July 31, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Palestinian Arabs have been pawns of the other Arabs for decades now. They’ve been used and abused. But unfortunately, too many of them drank the kool-aid of hatred of Israel. IF any of those nations would stop and THINK, maybe they would realize that all the hatred they spew hurts them more than most.

A society that believes using kids and women as shields is very ill. Maybe some of the other Arabs are awakening to this fact.

MN J on July 31, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2014 at 5:36 PM

I’ll accept the word of all governmental officials globally, except when Del posts the text of a captured al Qaeda training manual that was released by the British Government.

jimbo56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:32 PM

FIFY

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Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2014 at 5:41 PM

You are of course correct. Bridges, organizations and soldiers are all military definitions.

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jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 11:02 PM

PJ Emeritus provided you with proof on this attack being caused by a Hamas missile with the statement of an Italian journalist. The link also included additional Israeli proof of the strike showing the rocket path’s once Hamas launched that salvo. Rather than acknowledge you were wrong, you move the goalposts saying the focus has to be on a ‘school and market’ that wasn’t the subject of the original post you responded to. You were the only one to interject a ‘shopping area’ – as I again assert was a deliberate obfuscation to give you an out when proven wrong (again).

Again, here’s a link to the original story where Mohyeldin has a byline. The only other attack referenced at that time was the strike on the hospital, also caused by a Hamas missile. No reference whatsoever in the NBC report by Mohyeldin that there was a ‘shopping area’ or ‘school’ or ‘market’ hit at the same time. But Shifa’s hit and the Al-Shati hit were quite close in time. ‘Close succession’ was the specific term used.

Link to NBC News report – one of the reporters making the accusation / writing the piece: Ayman Mohyeldin

What’s clear is you have an absolute zero level of credibility. When confronted with evidence, you either deny it, ignore it, move the goalposts, or find some nit / hair to split to avoid accountability for being an asinine troll.

You initially argued over the Al-Shati refugee camp hit, but added a ‘shopping area’ which then morphed into a ‘school’ and ‘market’ as an incredibly lame effort of nit picking / hair splitting, and deflection. Now despite the evidence over Al-Shati, your argument is entirely moved onto being about a non-specific ‘shopping area’ and / or ‘school’ and ‘market’.

That’s your standard MO and is as fundamentally dishonest as can be.

Athos on July 31, 2014 at 4:47 PM

No, you have confused the bombings (allegedly by Israel but perhaps not) in the last few days with the bombings of the school and the market yesterday that I asked about.

I’m sorry if things are moving too fast for you.

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 11:06 PM

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 11:06 PM

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 11:08 PM

You really are the cretinous troll, and just can’t admit when you are wrong.

It doesn’t matter about the other bombings YOU ASKED about. The fact that YOU ASKED about other bombings, particularly in your dishonest and deceptive manner, indicates you are doing little other than MOVING THE GOALPOSTS to CHANGE THE SUBJECT from the one that had your empty head handed to you.

In fact, another reason it doesn’t matter about the other bombings YOU ASKED about – is related to the fact that you never directly, cogently, concisely answer other people’s questions without trying to pick a nit, split a hair, move the goalposts, or bloody well lie about it. Yet, others are supposed to follow your deceptive efforts to MOVE THE F UCKING GOALPOSTS?

Things aren’t moving too fast for anyone but you. I, and others, have you and your fundamentally dishonest trolling tactics pegged to a ‘T’. And you will be called on it regularly until you change your trolling ways, cretin.

Athos on July 31, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Is Hamas calling it quits?

Oh, does Israel no longer exist? Is every Jew, Christian, Shiite and moderate Muslim dead?

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 1, 2014 at 12:12 AM

Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2014 at 5:36 PM

I’ll accept the word of all governmental officials globally, except when Del posts the text of a captured al Qaeda training manual that was released by the British Government.

jimbo56 on July 31, 2014 at 2:32 PM

FIFY

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Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2014 at 5:41 PM

You are of course correct. Bridges, organizations and soldiers are all military definitions.

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jimbo56 on July 31, 2014 at 11:02 PM

OK, Class.

Notice that the Unit childishly refuses to acknowledge the existence of the very first part of the document I link to, and only cites the latter parts.

Let us know when you grow up, Kid.

Del Dolemonte on August 1, 2014 at 12:58 AM

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 11:06 PM

jim56 on July 31, 2014 at 11:08 PM

It occurs to me, my response here might still be to complex for your cretinous mind to comprehend, so here is the Jimbo simplified version….

When it was highlighted that a pro-Hamas NBC News ‘reporter’ lied when he and other NBC sycophants accused Israel of attacking the Al-Shati UNRWA refugee camp, your response was to demand for proof that it was Hamas missile that was above and beyond that offered by Israel / the Israeli Ambassador to the US.

That proof, from an Italian journalist, was provided.

Your next comment?

Rather than to admit being wrong, you, an intellectually, morally, and ethically bankrupt troll, IGNORED that proof and demanded additional proof that Israel wasn’t behind other attacks that you MOVED THE F UCKING GOALPOSTS to.

Athos on August 1, 2014 at 8:20 AM

Rather than to admit being wrong, you, an intellectually, morally, and ethically bankrupt troll, IGNORED that proof and demanded additional proof that Israel wasn’t behind other attacks that you MOVED THE F UCKING GOALPOSTS to.

Athos on August 1, 2014 at 8:20 AM

See my post directly above yours; obviously we are dealing with a total waste of oxygen.

Del Dolemonte on August 1, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Jim56, from what I’ve seen of the Hamas launches (videoed from a distance) their lucky to clear the neighborhood from where they are launched. Exhaust plumes wiggling all over the place meaning trajectories going every which way. (Probably shedding their aerodynamic surfaces) their quality control comes right out of the old East Germany.
If you’ve ever witnessed launching of an Army MLRS you’d understand my judgment. There are a lot of design and performance considerations to master in order to achieve a good boost on the ordnance.
So Jim56 (is it?) I need no proof other than the launch images to tell me the Hamas rockets in a fair number of instances might not clear the fence.
Some folks are just too stupid to have opinions.

Missilengr on August 1, 2014 at 8:06 PM

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