Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on July 30, 2014 by Allahpundit

House Republicans on Wednesday voted to authorize a lawsuit against President Barack Obama for his use of executive actions as both parties attempt to utilize the suit to motivate voters ahead of the midterm elections.

In a strict party-line 225-201 vote, Republican approved the legislation that accuses the president of exceeding his Constitutional authority by changing how his signature health care legislation was implemented. The measure does not require Senate approval.

No Democrats voted for the bill.

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Rep. Steve Israel, the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said Wednesday that conservative calls to impeach President Barack Obama and the House GOP’s push to sue the President are motivating the Democratic base in advance of November’s midterm elections.

“You bet we’re going to run on a Congress that is just obsessed with lawsuits, suing the President, talking about impeaching him, instead of solutions for the middle class, talking about jobs and infrastructure. You bet that we’re going to ask people to support us based on that contrast,” Israel declared at a briefing of CNN political reporters and producers.

Saying that Republicans have “stepped into a mess on this,” the seven-term congressman from New York added that “any time voters see contrasts between our priorities and their (the GOP’s) priorities, it is beneficial to us. No question about that….we win on contrast.”

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If you want evidence that Democrats are talking up the impeachment of President Obama, look no farther than the floors of the House and Senate…

[A] search for the terms “impeach” and “impeachment” in floor speeches in the House and Senate since Monday reveals that only Democrats have discussed the matter. At least ten Democratic legislators, including the Senate majority leader, have brought up impeachment, while no Republican has touched on the issue.

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If all you were reading were Democratic email lists, though, you might imagine it was December 1998 all over again. The set of increasingly hysterical missives from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee presents an alternate political history of the last week.

It’s no secret why Democrats are so eager to talk about impeachment. By their own admission, it’s been a cash cow, drawing in millions of dollars in donations. The fact that it seems to annoy Boehner—who noted early on that this was a fundraising ploy—is political icing on the money cake. The subject lines are easy to mock, but they’re an interesting look at how political fundraisers are learning to manipulate supporters. Joshua Green laid out the science behind the Obama reelection campaign’s sometimes-silly subject lines in 2012; Democrats have only sharpened those pitches since.

To get a sense of the tone, and volume, of the deluge, here are the [21] emails I’ve gotten over just the last week, excepting press emails and the like; some people have reported getting even more.

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There have been mentions of impeachment around the edges of the GOP and by some Republican members of Congress. But on the whole, Democrats are spending a lot more time talking about impeachment than Republicans…

This data comes from a Lexis-Nexis search of transcripts on each [cable news] network. It counts each mention of the words “impeach” or “impeachment.” The terms were used 32 times in a single episode of MSNBC’s “The Ed Show” on Monday. (Ordinarily, I’d adjust for the overall volume of words spoken on each network, but I know from my previous research that MSNBC and Fox News have about the same number of words recorded in Lexis-Nexis.)

The scoreboard so far in July: Fox News has 95 mentions of impeachment, and MSNBC 448. That works out to about 2.7 mentions per hour of original programming on MSNBC, or once every 22 minutes.

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House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., on Wednesday mocked the suggestion that Republicans might pursue impeachment proceedings against President Obama. “I see this as a ridiculous game by the president and his political team to try and change the narrative, raise money and turn out their base for an upcoming election that they feel is not going their way,” Ryan told reporters at a breakfast hosted by The Christian Science Monitor. “I’ll just leave it at that.”

He said Obama’s misdeeds don’t “rise to high-crime-and-misdemeanors” level.

Still, he said it was “responsible” for House Speaker John Boehner to file a lawsuit against Obama for overreaching when it comes to the Affordable Care Act and other measures.

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In June 2008, 12 House Democrats—including committee and subcommittee chairmen and close allies of Mrs. Pelosi—introduced a bill to impeach President George W. Bush. Imagine the outrage if then-first lady Laura Bush, White House press secretary Dana Perino, House Minority Leader John Boehner and Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan had used the occasion to raise campaign funds. And it’s worth reiterating: There is no such bill today.

Second, impeachment talk motivates a lethargic Democratic base, worn-out and embarrassed by Mr. Obama’s incompetence and lack of leadership. Mr. Israel admitted impeachment talk is “energizing our base.”…

Third, impeachment threats hurt Republicans with independents, a group critical to victory this fall. Today, independents are inclined to favor Republicans by an 11-point margin, according to a July 22 Fox News Poll, and 59% disapprove of Mr. Obama’s performance. Yet in a July 20 CNN/ORC poll, 63% of independents oppose impeachment.

Finally, talk of impeachment diverts attention from everything else. Every moment spent discussing impeachment is a moment not spent discussing issues that hurt Democrats, such as ObamaCare, the weak recovery, the border crisis, the nation’s growing debt and the world’s increasingly dangerous condition.

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For contrast, there are all sorts of things that get talked about on the Left – bandied by leading policymakers up to key party leaders, or supported by big chunks of the party’s base, or proposed in op-ed pages – that nobody ever thinks to quiz Democratic candidates on, because journalists apply a much higher level of skepticism than they do when dealing with Republicans. Just to pick a few examples:

-Should we have a total (single-payer) government takeover of healthcare?

-Should we repeal the Second Amendment and have a total ban on guns?

-Should we reinstate the draft? (Democrats proposed this in 2004 mainly so they could run on the claim that Bush wanted it, even though Bush’s Defense Secretary was the principal legislative architect of the all-volunteer military. It’s been introduced again.)

-Should we repeal the 22d Amendment so Obama can run for a third term?

-Should we pay reparations for slavery?

-Should we repeal parts of the First Amendment?

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Republican calls to impeach President Obama look like a wedge issue — in favor of Democrats. As a recent CNN poll shows, 65 percent of Americans oppose impeaching Obama, including 86 percent of Democrats, 63 percent of independents and even 42 percent of Republicans.

Given those numbers, no one should be surprised that Democrats are playing up the possibility of impeachment. It motivates their base, helps to raise money and draws attention to an issue where the public is on their side. In contrast, Republicans are deeply split on the issue — a divide that is playing out publicly among both legislators and conservative pundits.

The CNN poll also shows, however, that the proposed Republican lawsuit against Mr. Obama for his handling of the health care law is much more effective at consolidating the Republican base. Though only 41 percent of Americans over all support a lawsuit, that total includes three in four G.O.P. identifiers — a total that almost matches Democratic opposition of 84 percent.

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The impeachment farce is getting so much attention because Democrats and some on the right see it as a money maker. Little did we know when we wrote recently that Sarah Palin and MSNBC had a shared interest in pushing impeachment that the former Alaska governor would soon debut her own $9.95-a-month subscription Web channel. When you’re trying to steal eyeballs from Glenn Beck and talk radio, it’s all about market share. Impeachment is a marketing tool, and never let anyone seem more furious at Barack Obama…

Liberals claim that Mr. Obama’s pose as law giver is necessary because Republicans are obstructionist, and, anyhow, the Constitution’s limits are the dusty artifacts of the 18th century unsuited to modern times. One irony is that they dismiss the House suit even as they claim to be troubled by national security surveillance that has always been grounded in both statute and the Constitution, with no evidence of abuse.

Yet Mr. Obama’s claim that he can pick and choose which laws to enforce is far more offensive to the American tradition than anything the government has done in the name of antiterrorism. The House challenge is an opportunity to vindicate the genius of the Framers to prevent the exercise of arbitrary and centralized power.

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Yet I can’t blame the Democrats for getting as much mileage from it as they can. After all, we’re talking about a Republican Party that:

— Constantly uses over-the-top rhetoric. And not just talk-show hosts. This also applies to the congressional leadership — about fluff such as, say, “czars.” Or, yes, Benghazi, the non-scandal that has Republicans gearing up a special committee that they will try to keep going as long as possible…

– Has shut down the government and gone to the brink of default, demonstrating a willingness to take ill-considered extreme actions.

–Actually committed the partisan impeachment of the previous Democratic president.

Republicans can’t do anything about 1998 other than to try to remember that short-term plays to their strongest supporters can have long-lasting consequences with everybody else. They can, however, do something now: they could drop the lawsuit, make it absolutely clear impeachment is for nuts and kooks, and stop pretending that Obama is the first president to ever issue an executive order or use discretion in interpreting the law.

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If Boehner had “current” or “future” plans to impeach Obama, Republicans wouldn’t be wasting valuable time filing an unusual lawsuit against him. But that lawsuit is meant to strike a balance that allows the GOP to channel its base voters’ resentment of Obama into midterm election victories without indulging their toxic, procedurally extreme tendencies. In that sense it’s best seen as a reflection of a real and growing (or soon-to-grow) desire to take it all the way. And as the entire White House political team is fond of noting, Boehner had “no interest in seeing a government shutdown” one week before he did it anyway. Republicans really are more liable to go where danger lies than Democrats.

In that sense, when Democrats at the White House, and congressional leaders like Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, play up the possibility of impeachment, they aren’t just pandering to liberals and raising money. They’re scraping at the stitches binding Republican leaders and party activists. And there’s no downside. The more firmly Boehner protests, the more dejected a significant segment of the right becomes. But the more wiggle room he leaves himself, the more the issue lingers over national politics in a way that damages Republicans nationally. Under the circumstances Boehner’s protestations are a sign of real frustration, and perhaps that he’s starting to recognize that the lawsuit was ill conceived.

Still, I’m not convinced that Democrats, including Obama, are eager to Jedi mind trick Boehner into actually impeaching Obama so much as they want the stench of impeachment to trail Republicans everywhere they go. I suspect they’ll be able to strike that balance up until Obama announces his deportation relief plan. After that, things get murky. But if Democrats truly welcome impeachment, particularly over something as politically crosswired as immigration, then Obama will go as far as he believes the law allows him to go, and let the chips fall where they may.

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Via Mediaite.

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Via RCP.


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going2mars on July 31, 2014 at 2:08 AM

It reminds me of how Europeans like to sneer about how Americans don’t speak many languages or frequently travel to other countries.

Hello, we’re comparatively geographically isolated, making it much more expensive and difficult to travel to many other countries. In Europe you can travel to a handle of nations relatively cheaply in a manner of days.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 2:11 AM

Ok, I’m only saying it’s understandable why Americans would not be as familiar with China’s history as they are with European history.

And it is not about race.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 2:07 AM

How so?

China has been the richest and most technologically advanced nation on earth for most of the last two millenia.

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 2:12 AM

From a few minutes ago in the Lois Lerner thread. Enjoy!

PS, did anyone already mention that 7/30 was Buddy Guy’s 78th?

Del Dolemonte on July 31, 2014 at 2:13 AM

What a pathetic, sick comment. Has nothing to do with skin color.

We are not a former colony of China. Why would Americans know as much about China’s history? It’s far less historically relevant to Americans.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 1:52 AM

Historians are not property of the United States. Why are you saying that we are not colony of China therefore we don’t have to learn their history? What does being a colony have to do with history books? Did you not learned of the Boxer rebellion when you were in school?

Was your history book only full of American history? Do you know of any wars or events that did not involve America?lol

coolrepublica on July 31, 2014 at 2:13 AM

Why not just go to Michelle Malkin’s site? You seem to yearn for her…
OmahaConservative on July 31, 2014 at 2:07 AM

Who said I didn’t? She blogs less frequently these days. Doug Powers is like a permanent guest blogger.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 2:14 AM

Was your history book only full of American history? Do you know of any wars or events that did not involve America?lol
coolrepublica on July 31, 2014 at 2:13 AM

I don’t know why you “lol” at the end of all your comments. Do you find war and playing the race card funny?

That aside, I’m not sure you grasped the meaning of my comment, which called you out for your sick, pathetic tendency to play the race card.

History education in this country focuses more on history of western civ and American history in particular, understandably. Obviously we are taught about world history, but all aspects of China’s history are less historically relevant to Americans. This may shock you, but in China students are given a more detailed education about that country’s history than Americans are taught about Chinese history.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 2:20 AM

bluegill, it’s old and low resolution, but still pretty I think.

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 2:23 AM

How so?
China has been the richest and most technologically advanced nation on earth for most of the last two millenia.
DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 2:12 AM

Because our culture is a product of western civilization.

China has not had the same influence on our culture as Middle Eastern & European influences.

Look, I’m not saying we all shouldn’t know about all civilizations. And “world cultures” including eastern civilization study is mandatory in public education curriculum here, as it should be. But of course there will be a greater focus on areas which are comparatively more historically relevant.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 2:29 AM

History education in this country focuses more on history of western civ and American history in particular, understandably. Obviously we are taught about world history, but all aspects of China’s history are less historically relevant to Americans. This may shock you, but in China students are given a more detailed education about that country’s history than Americans are taught about Chinese history.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 2:20 AM

Unfortunately true.

The average university graduate in China knows as much about the history of the USA as the average American. Certainly more when it comes to the history of Sino-American relations.

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 2:29 AM

What a pathetic, sick comment. Has nothing to do with skin color.
We are not a former colony of China. Why would Americans know as much about China’s history? It’s far less historically relevant to Americans.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 1:52 AM

Historians are not property of the United States. Why are you saying that we are not colony of China therefore we don’t have to learn their history? What does being a colony have to do with history books? Did you not learned of the Boxer rebellion when you were in school?
Was your history book only full of American history? Do you know of any wars or events that did not involve America?lol

coolrepublica on July 31, 2014 at 2:13 AM

While it goes without saying that America in general, and the American right in particular, is racist to the core, I don’t understand what either of your inane comments have to do with the topic of the thread, which is the reactionary effort to impeach the president.

Trotsky on July 31, 2014 at 2:29 AM

Because our culture is a product of western civilization.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 2:29 AM

It’s more a product of Chinese civilization than you may realize.

Do you use a toothbrush?

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 2:31 AM

bluegill, it’s old and low resolution, but still pretty I think.
DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 2:23 AM

What is this? Looks interesting. At the fitness center now and can’t hear audio.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 2:35 AM

It’s more a product of Chinese civilization than you may realize.
Do you use a toothbrush?
DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 2:31 AM

And paper, and fireworks/gunpowder, etc. And I do remember learning these things, though I don’t remember well. But compare that to influence of Roman Empire/republic, Britiish empire, Christianity/Judaism.

Look, I went to high school in a Calif city that was almost half East Asian (Korean and Taiwan immigrants). So we’d get special attention in those areas, which I loved. I think we all should know more about the rest of the world.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 2:39 AM

I don’t know why you “lol” at the end of all your comments. Do you find war and playing the race card funny?

That aside, I’m not sure you grasped the meaning of my comment, which called you out for your sick, pathetic tendency to play the race card.

History education in this country focuses more on history of western civ and American history in particular, understandably. Obviously we are taught about world history, but all aspects of China’s history are less historically relevant to Americans. This may shock you, but in China students are given a more detailed education about that country’s history than Americans are taught about Chinese history.

I lol because I found it funny that you think that we should not know about Chinese history because we were not a colony of china.

and of course Chinese have more detailed lessons. The Chinese are obsessed with their history.

But no need to have a fight over history.

coolrepublica on July 31, 2014 at 2:43 AM

But compare that to influence of Roman Empire/republic, Britiish empire, Christianity/Judaism.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 2:39 AM

Aren’t these all historically involved with China?

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 2:49 AM

Was your history book only full of American history? Do you know of any wars or events that did not involve America?

coolrepublica on July 31, 2014 at 2:13 AM

This is priceless coming from you despite your comment from earlier today.

coolrepublica would be calling Ike and Patton and Montgomery “invaders”

Vanceone on July 30, 2014 at 5:28 PM

What do you think the Japanese thought? never mind what I would call them. I wasn’t there. What did the Japanese call them?

coolrepublica on July 30, 2014 at 5:50 PM

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 2:51 AM

But no need to have a fight over history.

coolrepublica on July 31, 2014 at 2:43 AM

LOL!

corkie on July 31, 2014 at 2:53 AM

And paper, and fireworks/gunpowder, etc. And I do remember learning these things, though I don’t remember well. But compare that to influence of Roman Empire/republic, Britiish empire, Christianity/Judaism.

Look, I went to high school in a Calif city that was almost half East Asian (Korean and Taiwan immigrants). So we’d get special attention in those areas, which I loved. I think we all should know more about the rest of the world.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 2:39 AM

Oh bluegill just when I thought it was over, you sucked me back in.

The greatest contribution of European Empires are going around the world cutting up countries in parts and creating countries where they were none before. and that means a shi!t load of wars and messes.

The most influential religion in history is Zoroastrianism. You probably never heard of them. It was the first monotheist religion and preceded Judaism.

coolrepublica on July 31, 2014 at 3:00 AM

Perhaps some music would be good.

For my crush RWM

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 3:17 AM

Aren’t these all historically involved with China?
DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 2:49 AM

I do think more Americans should know more about China. No argument from me. Is the public education in this country a shambles? Yes. Outside of AP/honors classes, public education is little more than babysitting. Many schools now offer Mandarin as foreign language, though.

But deciding what to teach and into how much detail schools here should go with regard to various historical subjects is in part matter of prioritizing and limited time. (Not to mention politics, but that’s another subject) Should Americans spend as much time learning about the history of, say, Botswana (which, no offense, I’m sure is a wonderful place full of wonderful people) as the history of China. No, China is much more important. But I reject the notion that the history of China is as relevant to our culture as the history of the Roman Empire or earlier Roman republic or Christianity, etc.

Honestly, most Americans don’t even know about our own civil war, let alone past Chinese wars. It’s bad enough that people here don’t know anything about our own country’s founding. I’d first like to see better education on that. That already might be asking too much. LOL baby steps.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 3:27 AM

I guess tonight is anti-West night on HA. You Sinophiles are welcome to book the next flight to Beijing and stay there.

DisneyFan on July 31, 2014 at 3:27 AM

Aren’t these all historically involved with China?

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 2:49 AM

I’m afraid I have to side with the gilled one on this. Yes, China has historical ties with, and influence on, western civilization going back millennia. However, the most fundamental aspects of out culture are still drastically closer to that of Europe.

1. For most of our history, the vast majority of our citizens have been of European descent. Even now I believe it is still a majority, though I wouldn’t swear to it, and obviously it becomes more subtle how you define things. However, no matter what definition you use, I doubt you will find the number of people of Chinese descent (or Asian descent in general) to be anywhere near comparable to the number of people of European descent.

2. Our nation was founded by citizens of a European country.

3. For centuries, the dominant religion in our country has been Christianity, as it has been in Europe. This has not been the case with china.

4. Our government and legal system are rooted in English traditions. This includes many of our common law principles. The founding fathers were directly influenced by European Enlightenment writings, written in European languages by European writers.

5. Most importantly, our language is the same language that is spoken in England, and is much closer linguistically to any European language than it is to, say, Mandarin.

I’m not arguing that there aren’t some very significant cultural ties between china and the west, but the simple fact is that our ties with Europe are on a completely different order of magnitude. Because of this, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to focus more on European History in schools.

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 3:28 AM

What a pathetic, sick comment. Has nothing to do with skin color.
We are not a former colony of China. Why would Americans know as much about China’s history? It’s far less historically relevant to Americans.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 1:52 AM

Historians are not property of the United States. Why are you saying that we are not colony of China therefore we don’t have to learn their history? What does being a colony have to do with history books?

I agree that history is very important, but there is also something to be said for reading comprehension. The latter may help you answer some of these questions.

Did you not learned of the Boxer rebellion when you were in school?
Was your history book only full of American history? Do you know of any wars or events that did not involve America?lol

coolrepublica on July 31, 2014 at 2:13 AM

Rarely is the question asked, have our trolls learned good?

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 3:33 AM

I guess tonight is anti-West night on HA. You Sinophiles are welcome to book the next flight to Beijing and stay there.
DisneyFan on July 31, 2014 at 3:27 AM

That’s exactly how I feel.

Reminds me of Americans who go to Europe and then come back all haughty and say how crappy America is in comparison or who bash America while there to win favor of their hosts. Love it or leave it, baby.

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 3:35 AM

I’m finally off for good now.

Good night, all!

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 3:37 AM

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 3:28 AM

Yes, but now we have multiculturalists (“all cultures are equal” or what they really mean is, “European/white is bad”) wanting to deny all that. It might hurt feelings or be portrayed as “racist” to suggest that certain have had a greater influence on our cultures than others, even though it’s undeniable fact.

Anyway, I’m really off now!

bluegill on July 31, 2014 at 3:43 AM

Europes puny little conflicts don’t measure up. Ever heard of the Taiping Rebellion, biggest war of the 19th century?

That’s was a war.

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 1:34 AM

20 million dead, yea, that way worse than the 37 million from WWI or the 60 million from WWII.

oscarwilde on July 31, 2014 at 3:46 AM

1. For most of our history, the vast majority of our citizens have been of European descent. Even now I believe it is still a majority, though I wouldn’t swear to it, and obviously it becomes more subtle how you define things. However, no matter what definition you use, I doubt you will find the number of people of Chinese descent (or Asian descent in general) to be anywhere near comparable to the number of people of European descent.

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 3:28 AM

You’ve heard of the Chinese Exclusion Act, right?

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:00 AM

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31giddyup on July 31, 2014 at 4:02 AM

20 million dead, yea, that way worse than the 37 million from WWI or the 60 million from WWII.

oscarwilde on July 31, 2014 at 3:46 AM

20th century wars that weren’t limited to Europe, hence the ‘WW’

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:04 AM

You’ve heard of the Chinese Exclusion Act, right?

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:00 AM

Yes. What is your point? How does that contradict what I said?

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 4:08 AM

Yes. What is your point? How does that contradict what I said?

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 4:08 AM

It doesn’t contradict what you said, it points out what you left unsaid.

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:11 AM

I guess tonight is anti-West night on HA. You Sinophiles are welcome to book the next flight to Beijing and stay there.

DisneyFan on July 31, 2014 at 3:27 AM

Heh. Beijing is dusty.

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:17 AM

Shanghai on the other hand is the place to be

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:22 AM

It doesn’t contradict what you said, it points out what you left unsaid.

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:11 AM

Should I have said it? How is the Chinese exclusion act relevant to the question of whether or not our cultural ties with china are as strong as our ties with Europe? They simply aren’t.

Perhaps you want to argue that they would be as strong if there hadn’t been discrimination (though I doubt it, considering the many other cultural differences), but that’s a separate question, about what might have been.

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 4:27 AM

Should I have said it? How is the Chinese exclusion act relevant to the question of whether or not our cultural ties with china are as strong as our ties with Europe? They simply aren’t.

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 4:27 AM

You don’t see the relevance?

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:29 AM

I suppose I’ll have to concede the point that your cultural ties with Europe are very strong.

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:33 AM

You don’t see the relevance?

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:29 AM

Not really. I thought the second half of my post clarified that I’m not disputing that we would probably have closer ties with china if we hadn’t had discrimination in our immigration policy (though I do have some doubt it would bring us near as close culturally as we are to Europe). But we did have said discrimination, so we don’t have as many people of Chinese descent.

I’m not sure what you wanted from my original argument – a special “shame on you” note to the people who wrote the Chinese exclusion act?

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 4:40 AM

I’m not sure what you wanted from my original argument – a special “shame on you” note to the people who wrote the Chinese exclusion act?

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 4:40 AM

I wanted to highlight a part of American history that usually goes forgotten in America but is remembered elsewhere.

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:45 AM

I suppose I’ll have to concede the point that your cultural ties with Europe are very strong.

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:33 AM

That’s really all I’m trying to say. I would never claim that China is somehow irrelevant, or culturally inferior, or not super badass/awesome or whatever. But when it comes to a very basic level of history, of the kind taught in schools, it is only natural for there to be a certain bias towards the events and cultures that have the most direct relevance.

For what it’s worth, I really think that as important as history is, when it comes to having a historically literate population, a much more relevant question than “what are the students doing in history class?” is “Can the students read, comprehend, and write?”

Same principle goes for science, only replace “reading/writing” with “arithmetic/logic” (of course, the latter would really help for understanding history as well).

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 5:03 AM

I wanted to highlight a part of American history that usually goes forgotten in America but is remembered elsewhere.

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 4:45 AM

Every history book I ever had mentioned discrimination against Chinese.

To be honest, the idea that discrimination is usually forgotten in American history classes is going to be pretty hard to sell.

And as for people remembering it elsewhere, people do indeed seem to be very good at remembering America’s history of discrimination. In fact, I’ve found that they’re often even more knowledgeable of our country’s sins in this area than they are of their own. Funny how that works.

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 5:12 AM

…In fact, I’ve found that they’re often even more knowledgeable of our country’s sins in this area than they are of their own. Funny how that works.

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 5:12 AM

For example?

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 5:22 AM

The GOP is a joke. The Senate just passed an 2.7 billion Amnesty bill with the help of the Cochran Crew to avoid a filibuster with McConnell changing his vote at the last minute when there was enough votes to overcome a filibuster. Then Boehner pushes this scam of a lawsuit, which will be rejected by the courts. He will then convince the GOP to vote for his border bill without DACA language, which makes this an Amnesty bill, with the promise that they will pass a seperate DACA bill.

Brock Robamney on July 31, 2014 at 6:00 AM

Brock Robamney on July 31, 2014 at 6:00 AM

its pretty much over for us. the youth are screwed. i’m older. maybe i’ll get a cheap maid out of all this.
maybe.

renalin on July 31, 2014 at 7:11 AM

For example?

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 5:22 AM

Exhibit A would probably be every Arab and African despot that blames the US for slavery and colonialism.

The Mexican government complaining about our harsh immigration policy is another example. Admittedly, that’s more of a current event than a historical one, but the same principle applies.

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 7:12 AM

Where is everybody?

It appears that RINO and DarkCurrent sucked up all the oxygen this morning with an inane spat about our nation’s sins. Either that or everybody is still recovering from Sharknado 2 binge watching last night.

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2014 at 7:13 AM

I was about to post something at 4:30 when the electricity went off. It just came back on. It was kind of local because the lights were still on on the other side of the trailer park. I’m thinking squirrels.

crankyoldlady on July 31, 2014 at 7:23 AM

I was about to post something at 4:30 when the electricity went off. It just came back on. It was kind of local because the lights were still on on the other side of the trailer park. I’m thinking squirrels.

crankyoldlady on July 31, 2014 at 7:23 AM

It’s a conspiracy!

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2014 at 7:25 AM

Morning, y’all!

A “KJ Soliloquy”: To Impeach Or Not To Impeach…That Is the Question

My take.

kingsjester on July 31, 2014 at 7:28 AM

My take.

kingsjester on July 31, 2014 at 7:28 AM

And do whatever it takes to make sure your election is legal.

crankyoldlady on July 31, 2014 at 7:34 AM

It appears that RINO and DarkCurrent sucked up all the oxygen this morning with an inane spat about our nation’s sins.

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2014 at 7:13 AM

In my defense, coolrepublica and bluegill were part of the discussion as well…



Hmm, maybe I should just quit while I’m ahead.

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 7:39 AM

I was about to post something at 4:30 when the electricity went off. It just came back on. It was kind of local because the lights were still on on the other side of the trailer park. I’m thinking squirrels.

crankyoldlady on July 31, 2014 at 7:23 AM

I guess summer is over and early fall has set in. Oh well, might as well enjoy the weather we got. How you feeling COL?

Half asleep this morning driving in and a tractor-trailer passed me by and had a painting of a cowboy robbing a stagecoach on the whole side of a trailer. My only thought was how 1970s it looked….”breaker 10-9 how’s it look on your dirty side” kind of thing. Then a nice 1977 Y-82 (Pontiac Trans Am that some call the Bandit from the movie Smokey and The Bandit). Did not put 2 and 2 together until a period correct State Patrol car went by.

Not sumthing you see every day.

HonestLib on July 31, 2014 at 7:44 AM

Hmm, maybe I should just quit while I’m ahead.

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 7:39 AM

You were having an interesting discussion without calling names and that’s what this is for. I didn’t jump in because I wasn’t interested in that subject.

crankyoldlady on July 31, 2014 at 7:49 AM

Not sumthing you see every day.

HonestLib on July 31, 2014 at 7:44 AM

Are you sure you weren’t asleep.

crankyoldlady on July 31, 2014 at 7:50 AM

To Impeach Or Not To Impeach…That Is the Question

My take.

kingsjester on July 31, 2014 at 7:28 AM

Impeachment, not lawsuits, is the answer KJ. Unfortunately there is no way in hell that impeachment will work when you’ve got the Senate in the filthy hands of Harry Reid and Democrats who don’t give a damn about doing what is right. You’ve got the GOPe in the House worried about the optics of treating Obama as a President first and a black second. No white lazy stupid shiftless bastard would have survived this long.

So what to do if you care about this country? How do we make a difference when it is clear that Boehner and McConnell are spineless wussies who refuse to confront the rat-eared failure.

But as a reminder, here’s what Allah posted after Obama won in 2008

congratulations to Barry O on a race superbly run and to our country for not having let the wrong reasons deter it from making the wrong choice. I’ll never be a fan, but I swear I’ll never take a nutroots posture either in relishing his failures because it helps my party. Like it or not, he’s my president. As a great man once said, country first.

It is clear that Obama and Dems are not “country first” people. So I don’t see any reason why the public shouldn’t take on a scorched earth response to the government-sponsored invasion on our Southern borders and all the rest of the failures by this despicable filthy bastard and his corrupt party. Restore the rule of law by any means necessary.

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2014 at 7:57 AM

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2014 at 7:57 AM

That’s why I came to the conclusion I did. Average Americans cannot stand Obama.

kingsjester on July 31, 2014 at 8:01 AM

You were having an interesting discussion without calling names and that’s what this is for. I didn’t jump in because I wasn’t interested in that subject.

crankyoldlady on July 31, 2014 at 7:49 AM

Than you. And to be fair to bluegill, I have to credit her for nontrollish participation as well (though I can’t really say the same for coolrepublica, with her constant “why do you hate non-Europeans?lol” schtick)

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 8:03 AM

Thank you

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 8:05 AM

Good Morning Everyone:)

https://twitter.com/AP

The Associated Press @AP · 3h

MORE: Israeli prime minister: Military will dismantle Hamas tunnels in Gaza “with or without a cease-fire.” http://apne.ws/UNaB2u

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The Associated Press @AP · 3h

BREAKING: Israel PM says military will dismantle Hamas tunnels ‘with or without a cease-fire’

canopfor on July 31, 2014 at 8:05 AM

China has been the richest and most technologically advanced nation on earth for most of the last two millenia.

DarkCurrent on July 31, 2014 at 2:12 AM

This is what happens at 2 am when the bar closes…

Yeah, they are the most advanced nation on earth…everyday for the last two millenia, we have seen how many technological advances have come from China…starting with Tiananmen Square?

right2bright on July 31, 2014 at 8:21 AM

BREAKING: Israel PM says military will dismantle Hamas tunnels ‘with or without a cease-fire’

canopfor on July 31, 2014 at 8:05 AM

Well, that ought to give the gang at Morning Jew something to talk about this morning.

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2014 at 8:23 AM

And as for people remembering it elsewhere, people do indeed seem to be very good at remembering America’s history of discrimination. In fact, I’ve found that they’re often even more knowledgeable of our country’s sins in this area than they are of their own. Funny how that works.

RINO in Name Only on July 31, 2014 at 5:12 AM

Irish, Italians, Poles, Mexican’s, the list is full of every countrymen who has settled in America…it is just what it is, something new, and resented. From the beginning of time “discrimination” exists.

BTW, ever see a short president? Not in modern times, the shortest was Carter at 5’9…most are near 6′.

Ever see a president with facial hair…since television?

You won’t see a president with a hunchback, or under 5’4″, or who is too tall or too fat…discrimination exists everywhere, it’s how we discern who and what.

right2bright on July 31, 2014 at 8:28 AM

Where’s the 8::01 am post?

22044 on July 31, 2014 at 8:29 AM

You won’t see a president with a hunchback, or under 5’4″, or who is too tall or too fat…discrimination exists everywhere, it’s how we discern who and what.

right2bright on July 31, 2014 at 8:28 AM

Your assessment doesn’t take the birth canal gap into consideration. I can easily see a old, short, fat, humpbacked female running for President. And if polls are to believed, Killary is the inevitable choice to replace the rat-eared wonder.

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2014 at 8:37 AM

Where’s the 8::01 am post?

22044 on July 31, 2014 at 8:29 AM

HA slept in! Or Ed is trying to find a subject that isn’t already posted : )

Brat on July 31, 2014 at 8:41 AM

HA slept in! Or Ed is trying to find a subject that isn’t already posted : )

Brat on July 31, 2014 at 8:41 AM

Sharknado 2 hangover. ;0

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2014 at 8:43 AM

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2014 at 8:43 AM

Heh. I watched it. Gawdawfully stupid.
New post is up. New guy was 30 minutes late!

Brat on July 31, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Sharknado 2 hangover. ;0

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2014 at 8:43 AM

Heh. I watched it. Gawdawfully stupid.
New post is up. New guy was 30 minutes late!

Brat on July 31, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Heh. Special occasion…cut the blog some slack. :)

22044 on July 31, 2014 at 9:23 AM

I went to the laundromat but it was closed. No sign saying why. No number to call. So I left.

crankyoldlady on July 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM

After the bar closed :) the chit chat was nice, no (in-fighting) I really enjoy what you post DarkCurrent, thank you…

One of the main reasons I don’t hang out as I did, I have grown to dislike politics, and am very tired of fighting, nothing changes.

I am also tired of the the constant bickering, as I have read the late/early overnight bit of qotd, I find much to my liking, thanks!

Good stuff from G2M, DC and many others…

Later peeps and peepettes…

** !!POP!! **

Scrumpy on July 31, 2014 at 5:11 PM

2 minutes ago off the breaking news wire..

US and UN: Israel, Hamas agree to unconditional, 72-hour humanitarian ceasefire to begin Friday

going2mars on July 31, 2014 at 5:39 PM

thank you ever so kind Ms Scrumpy…

I too hate the inhouse bitterness and bickering..

so I will gift you ,,,
a beautiful stone cottage in the mountains link…
(for daydreaming and happy thoughts)
(a wonderful house for writers I would think)

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/217-Parkwood-Rdg_MT_59912_M73126-64135?row=23

google mapping would find it here..

https://www.google.com/maps/place/217+Parkwood+Ridge+Rd,+Bigfork,+Mt+59911/@48.1423572,-114.0880755,815m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x53664cf8b42e29ab:0xaa52afe41633fd57?hl=en

going2mars on July 31, 2014 at 5:47 PM

thinking bed n breakfast??…
(yes I know it’s 3m large.. but look at how well built it is)

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/5672-Blankenship-Rd_Columbia-Falls_MT_59912_M86441-74518?row=128

google map..

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.4639613,-114.0475091,203m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

going2mars on July 31, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Israel, Hamas agree on 72-hour humanitarian Gaza ceasefire

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/31/us-mideast-gaza-ceasefire-idUSKBN0G02MX20140731

going2mars on July 31, 2014 at 6:21 PM

darn mods…(yes I know its cnn)

Ebola coming to Georgia soon…

Source: Flight leaves for Liberia to evacuate Americans infected with Ebola

WWW dot cnn.com/2014/07/31/health/ebola-outbreak/index.html

going2mars on July 31, 2014 at 6:26 PM

CNN reports that a U.S.-contracted medical charter flight left Cartersville, Ga., to evacuate Americans infected with Ebola in Liberia, according to an unnamed source. This has not been confirmed, but Emory University Hospital says it is expecting to receive a patient within the next several days.

(ya gonna mod that outa here??)

going2mars on July 31, 2014 at 6:27 PM

NASA Mars 2020 rover overview..

http://www.space.com/26697-nasa-mars-rover-2020-science-instruments.html

going2mars on July 31, 2014 at 6:34 PM

off to find a snack..
see you later I hope Scrumpy…
be safe…cheers

going2mars on July 31, 2014 at 6:35 PM

If not Mitt, then who? can blunt the HillaryNado which will be the end of our Republic? At least Romney could maintain the (admittedly, bad) state of affairs.

Hillary means Euro-Commie and huge sections of the US saying “enough, too much” and the Union is broken.

If the Union is worth saving, then save it at it’s current condition, not Hillary’s version.

Because SHE WILL WIN otherwise.

Who is John Galt on July 31, 2014 at 9:38 PM

Who is John Galt on July 31, 2014 at 9:38 PM

I meant to add, he has the quotes on file proving Zero/clinton WRONG, he has the business record of SUCCESS, he works HARD (no golfing or drinking) he’s SMART, and he actually LIKES AMERICA.

Mormon is WAAAAY better than Muslim. Ever met a Mormon? Hardest working peeps I’ve ever met….and they seem to WIN a lot.

Who is John Galt on July 31, 2014 at 9:41 PM

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