US: Russia violated 1987 missile treaty

posted at 10:41 am on July 29, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Hillary Clinton argued this week that the 2009 Russian “reset” was a success, if temporary, in part because it got Vladimir Putin to sign off on missile-reduction treaties. Andrew Peek responded with the inconvenient truth that the Russians needed those missile treaties more than the US did, even if Hillary and Barack Obama seemingly acted as though they were desperate for the agreements. Peek also noted that while the Obama administration has argued all along that they needed to buy Russian pressure on Iran, Putin was cooperating there too — at least to a point:

The administration’s prize pig, UNSCR 1929, was a diplomatic success. But it was not disproportionately more severe than the steadily escalating UN sanctions achieved by the Bush administration – and U.S. concessions certainly were. In particular, President Bush had achieved prior resolutions without giving Putin a free hand among America’s wartime allies. And since the real bite on Iran’s economy came through independent U.S.-EU sanctions, the administration could have sacrificed less for an even more watered-down UN resolution and still instituted effective independent sanctions with Europe. …

Without wading into an agreeably retro discussion of nuclear mega tonnage, throw weight, and strategic triads, we should remember one important point: The Russians needed START more than we did.

Why? Prestige. Remember, by virtual any measure of power – economic, military, diplomatic, etc – the United States ranks at or near the top of the world. But Russia’s entire claim to great-power status rests on its vast arsenal of nuclear weapons. It’s also much poorer than the United States, and upkeep of those weapons is thus relatively more of a burden. To reduce them unilaterally simply weakens Russia’s claim to global significance; but to do so through a great-power agreement with the U.S. not only maintains its relative nuclear prominence (and thus status) more cheaply, but lets Moscow negotiate with Washington on the high stage. It gets the same prestige for half the price, and a nice signing ceremony to boot.

It is absolutely not wrong to pursue a nuclear reduction treaty that Russia wants. But it is absolutely wrong to do so without extracting explicit concessions in other areas. START wasn’t a relative benefit to us: It was a relative benefit to them. So please, Hillary: stop treating it – and Iran – like major victories.

Why bring this up now? Putin has provided a belated reminder of Russian commitment to those agreements that Obama and Hillary were so desperate to sign. The White House accused Putin of violating a 1987 treaty that forbids the testing of ground-based cruise missiles, heightening tensions in a Cold War replay:

The United States has concluded that Russia violated a landmark arms control treaty by testing a prohibited ground-launched cruise missile, according to senior American officials, a finding that was conveyed by President Obama to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in a letter on Monday. …

At the heart of the issue is the 1987 treaty that bans American and Russian ground-launched ballistic or cruise missiles capable of flying 300 to 3,400 miles. That accord, which was signed by President Ronald Reagan and Mikhail S. Gorbachev, the Soviet leader, helped seal the end of the Cold War and has been regarded as a cornerstone of American-Russian arms control efforts.

Russia first began testing the cruise missiles as early as 2008, according to American officials, and the Obama administration concluded by the end of 2011 that they were a compliance concern. In May 2013, Rose Gottemoeller, the State Department’s senior arms control official, first raised the possibility of a violation with Russian officials.

The New York Times reported in January that American officials had informed the NATO allies that Russia had tested a ground-launched cruise missile, raising serious concerns about Russia’s compliance with the Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty, or I.N.F. Treaty as it is commonly called. The State Department said at the time that the issue was under review and that the Obama administration was not yet ready to formally declare it to be a treaty violation.

This raises a question about Hillary’s explanation of the “reset” button. If the US knew about the violations in 2011, why didn’t Hillary know about it? If she didn’t, then she must have been asleep at the switch. If she did know about it, then her defense of the “reset” button makes no sense. Why brag about arms-controls treaties while our opponent is violating the agreement that preceded them? There are several ways to describe that, but “smart power” isn’t one of them.

In better news, the US and EU have apparently resolved their differences on sanctions against Russia in the wake of the shootdown of Malaysia Air 17. The West will expand sanctions to entire sectors of the Russian economy in an attempt to force Putin to retreat from his war in eastern Ukraine:

The United States and the European Union, finally in synch on how to deal with Russian President Vladimir Putin, are preparing a powerful one-two punch against Russia’s economy, with EU ambassadors meeting on Tuesday to discuss a dramatic escalation in the trade bloc’s sanctions.

Frustrated by the apparent ineffectiveness of previous sanctions and outraged by the deaths of 298 people aboard the Malaysia Airlines plane downed over eastern Ukraine, ambassadors were considering measures including limits on Russia’s access to European capital markets and a halt in trade in arms and dual-use and sensitive technologies.

The BBC confirms that Europe plans wide-ranging sectoral sanctions:

The European Union is set to agree new sanctions against Russia, targeting its finance, energy and defence sectors over the conflict in Ukraine.

Top Russian individuals and entities are already subject to EU sanctions for their alleged role in Ukraine’s crisis. …

Europe’s leaders did not want to move to economic sanctions but they were moved by two considerations: the outrage at the way investigators have been blocked from access to the crash site of the downed plane and, secondly, the fact that Russia, since the incident, has been allowing heavy weapons across the border into Ukraine.

The calculation in Europe is that it had to act for its own credibility and that it may have to go further to ensure that President Vladimir Putin and his inner circle understand that their actions carry consequences.

At least this is smarter power. The West has woken up very late to the ambitions of Putin for a rebuilt Russian empire. The fomenting of the rebellion in Ukraine after seeing Putin’s puppet Viktor Yanukovich get chased out of Kyiv has created the first European war since the Balkans in the 1990s, and it cost the lives of almost 300 civilians on an airliner earlier this month. Putin’s flouting of the 1987 cruise-missile treaty shows that this was a very long wake-up call, stretching back three years or more, and perhaps all the way back to 2008 — which might have explained why the Bush administration got tough with Putin in its final year. That makes the “reset” button even more reprehensible in retrospect than it was contemporaneously … and that’s saying something.


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Squirrel!

The worst thing about this is Obama will feel compelled to involve himself in this. I’m pretty certain nuclear weapons is not a field in which we want the Midas Touch of Obama screwing things up.

BobMbx on July 29, 2014 at 10:44 AM

So I’m wondering when we’ll all hear the announcement that all of our nukes have finally been dismantled. Just a matter of time.

JellyToast on July 29, 2014 at 10:46 AM

that wasnt very smart of russia now, was it?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on July 29, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Nothing like rubbing SALT in a wound, right Shrillary?

Flange on July 29, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Obama and SecState Clinton – seeing the world as they want it to be rather than how it really is.

At the very least, it should disqualify Hillary Clinton from any additional government service. No one that naive, blind, fixated, or feckless should have a position of responsibility…and that includes the President and his National Security team.

Athos on July 29, 2014 at 10:47 AM

It WAS a reset – straight to the 1970s.

With respect to the Soviet Uni…er…Russia, we’re at 1978 right now.

Steve Eggleston on July 29, 2014 at 10:50 AM

the administration could have sacrificed less for an even more watered-down UN resolution

Geebus! Why doesn’t this surprise me. Obozo giving more than he gets. How long is it going to take the next POTUS in getting us back to where we were prior to this idiot in office!?

Patriot Vet on July 29, 2014 at 10:52 AM

LIVE NOW:

Witness Testimony Imminent:

Ukraine, Russia political crisis
LIVE
Live video: House holds hearing on flight MH17 crash, Ukraine – @NBCNews
see original on nbcnews.com

http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/live-video/watch-live-house-holds-hearing-on-flight-mh17-crash-ukraine-220371523783

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 10:23 AM

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 10:52 AM

Nothing like rubbing SALT in a wound, right Shrillary?

Flange on July 29, 2014 at 10:47 AM

If that weren’t the Comment of the Day™, I’d say let the puns START.

Steve Eggleston on July 29, 2014 at 10:53 AM

2014 May 8:

During a major “command and control exercise” of the Russian armed forces, featuring multiple missile launches, a Tu-95 strategic bomber launched six cruise missiles, believed to be Kh-55. The official Russian sources only said that missiles were heading toward targets within the Western Military District. A 3M14 sea-based cruise missile was apparently also launched.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/rockets_cruise.html

Kh-55 (missile family)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-55_%28missile_family%29

3M14 Bulava (Mace) SS-N-30

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/3m14.htm

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 8:40 AM

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Why bring this up now?

1. Squirrel
2. Makes Obama seem tough to the LIV
3. Makes Hillary look stupid

faraway on July 29, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Barack Obama – ‘I’ve sent a strongly worded letter. I also have a tee time in an hour, so what else do you expect me to to? I’m sure Jen Psaki can handle it….’

Athos on July 29, 2014 at 10:53 AM

I believe the Russians made a simple mistake. They thought they were pressing the “Reset” button but it was really the “Launch” button!

inspectorudy on July 29, 2014 at 10:55 AM

The BBC confirms that Europe plans wide-ranging sectoral sanctions:
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https://twitter.com/NATOSource

NATOSource @NATOSource · 20h

Harper: If Russia continues aggression in Ukraine “Canada & its allies must take further, more punitive steps” #MH17 http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/canada-is-first-nato-member-to-impose-sectoral-sanctions-on-russia

Retweeted by NATOSource
Strobe Talbott @strobetalbott · 26m

Would media PLEASE stop calling conflict in Ukraine a civil war: it’s a war Russia started & wages by invasion, occupation & ongoing attack.

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 10:56 AM

I can see Russian missiles from my house.

faraway on July 29, 2014 at 10:56 AM

I am sure that Putin is shaking in his boots…from laughter.

Obozo has proven himself to be a weakling that other weaklings can pick on and kick sand in his face. Putin, China, Iran can do pretty much whatever they like as long as Barry is in the White House. As far as the feckless wonder is concerned, his only enemy is the republican house… What a F**khead

Kuffar on July 29, 2014 at 10:59 AM

We’re gonna need a tougher hashtag.

redzap on July 29, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Geebus! Why doesn’t this surprise me. Obozo giving more than he gets. How long is it going to take the next POTUS in getting us back to where we were prior to this idiot in office!?

Patriot Vet on July 29, 2014 at 10:52 AM

Patriot Vet: You Rang:0

Ya know,its going to take, the Republican Party, a minimum of 1000
years to straighten out the F &^*()_+(^%%^&*()_+*&%^$%^* ‘n mess
that Hopey/Changey has made!

And, the Damage that Hopey has inflicted upon Lady-Libertys good
name, in America’s standing in the world, and thats not counting
Changeys Grand Ally Betrayal!

Gawd, from Gnome Alaska to Tim Buck Two,its gonna take more than
a sh*t-load of time to repair, Obamas NeverEnding Gaffes,and Insults to every Country on da planet!!

And, its gonna take probably over two-hundred years, for the Liberal
Democrat Party, to clean out the Progressive Socialists who have
inflitrated, and Hi-Jacked their Party!!

So, Team Blue…….are ya Happy Now!!!!!!!!

canopfor on December 11, 2011 at 6:59 PM

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 11:03 AM

I am sure that Putin is shaking in his boots…from laughter.

Obozo has proven himself to be a weakling that other weaklings can pick on and kick sand in his face. Putin, China, Iran can do pretty much whatever they like as long as Barry is in the White House. As far as the feckless wonder is concerned, his only enemy is the republican house… What a F**khead

Kuffar on July 29, 2014 at 10:59 AM

It’s embarrassing.

VegasRick on July 29, 2014 at 11:03 AM

More of that “flexibility” Ogabe sold Putin…

viking01 on July 29, 2014 at 11:04 AM

More of that “flexibility” Ogabe sold Putin…

viking01 on July 29, 2014 at 11:04 AM

obaME! can bend over with the best of em…………

VegasRick on July 29, 2014 at 11:06 AM

We are long past the time when words matter.

SHOW US THE ACTION

What the Obama administration, the EU, NATO, or the UN say is of zero significance UNLESS ACTION FOLLOWS! At this point, it’s nearly impossible to believe that any meaningful action will be taken against Putin or Iran.

pilsener on July 29, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Andrew Peek responded with the inconvenient truth that the Russians needed those missile treaties more than the US did, even if Hillary and Barack Obama seemingly acted as though they (the Russians) were desperate for the agreements.

Ed Morrissey on July 29, 2014 at 10:41 AM

.
Ronald Reagan always knew better.
.
I’m submitting that Hillary and Barack both know better, as well.

Yes … I know what I just said … TRAITORS !

listens2glenn on July 29, 2014 at 11:08 AM

I bet, if Puty did a Nuclear Test,
Hopey would give a Presser, then off golfing!!

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Putin: “So what?”

Walter L. Newton on July 29, 2014 at 11:10 AM

I can see Russian missiles from my house.

faraway on July 29, 2014 at 10:56 AM

The way things are going, all of us will be seeing Russian missiles from our houses – just before they’re atomized.

Steve Eggleston on July 29, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Nothing like rubbing SALT in a wound, right Shrillary?

Flange on July 29, 2014 at 10:47 AM

If that weren’t the Comment of the Day™, I’d say let the puns START.

Steve Eggleston on July 29, 2014 at 10:53 AM

♫Just doing what comes NATO-rally.♫

All part of Ogabe’s “Don’t trust, Don’t verify” foreign policy initiative.

viking01 on July 29, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Barack Obama – ‘I’ve sent a strongly worded letter. I also have a tee time in an hour, so what else do you expect me to to? I’m sure Jen Psaki can handle it….’

Athos on July 29, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Bring on the hashtag diplomacy!
#badPutin
#NoMoreNukesPlease
#Flexible

Hill60 on July 29, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Obama isn’t tough with Putin. Obama let him have Georgia and now Ukraine. Putin wants to re-establish the USSR.

nazo311 on July 29, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Steve Eggleston on July 29, 2014 at 10:53 AM

I really hope she runs. It will be such a mess, she’ll provide more gaffes, goofs and blunders than all other candidates combined. Plus, her being rejected by her own party for a second time will be priceless.

Flange on July 29, 2014 at 11:14 AM

http://www.breakingnews.com/

Ukraine, Russia political crisis
LIVE
Live video: US Secretary of State John Kerry meets with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin – @NBCNews
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https://twitter.com/APDiploWriter

Matt Lee @APDiploWriter · 28s

#SecKerry says #Russia actions in #Ukraine “have not shown a shred of evidence they really have legitimate desire to end the violence.”

https://twitter.com/markknoller

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 1m

At press avail with Ukraine FM, Kerry says “it’s well past time for violence to stop” in Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/CcjSaqku9C
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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 29s

10 days after shootdown of MH17, @JohnKerry says the crash site must be cordoned off, preserved and access given to investigators.

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 1m

With Ukraine Foreign Minister, @JohnKerry again says investigation of MH17 downing essential and separatists must stand back & allow access.

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 11:15 AM

So I’m wondering when we’ll all hear the announcement that all of our nukes have finally been dismantled. Just a matter of time.

JellyToast on July 29, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Well they aren’t being upgraded and pretty much left to rot

Pegcity on July 29, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 14s

Kerry says US expects “additional sanctions forthwith” from European allies against Putin/Russia.

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Even some American conservative analysts say that in pursing the compliance concern, the United States should not provide the Kremlin with an opportunity to back out of the agreement.

That implies that most American conservative analysts understand that the Russians have already backed out of the agreement. They just haven’t told us yet.

Of course, left completely out of the article is what some liberal analysts think. I suppose that’s too inconvenient a truth.

unclesmrgol on July 29, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Well they aren’t being upgraded and pretty much left to rot

Pegcity on July 29, 2014 at 11:21 AM

That’s the dem’s policy of “Rust and Vilify”.

Flange on July 29, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I really hope she runs. It will be such a mess, she’ll provide more gaffes, goofs and blunders than all other candidates combined. Plus, her being rejected by her own party for a second time will be priceless.

Flange on July 29, 2014 at 11:14 AM

I pray that you are correct.

VegasRick on July 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Возьми этот хэштегом и подсунуть его

Roy Rogers on July 29, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Frozen in the Cold War
The roots of Obama’s weakness abroad

H/t Doc Holliday – explains obama’s cold war ‘mind’.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2014 at 11:31 AM

I pray that you are correct.

VegasRick on July 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM

My being right isn’t necessarily a good thing. A worse person could emerge and get the same fawning media treatment as obozo and win the general election. But Shrillary has such a public track record, she’s proven to be an absolute disaster on the campaign trail.

Flange on July 29, 2014 at 11:32 AM

We’re gonna need a tougher hashtag.

redzap on July 29, 2014 at 11:02 AM

#RESETBUTTON

Ward Cleaver on July 29, 2014 at 11:35 AM

And they did it while Barrack Obama was President.
All our enemies are in a rush to do more, there is only a couple of years left of Obama as President.

Meanwhile they are looking to the future, trying to figure out how to funnel money into the next Democratic candidate for President…

Maybe donate to the Bill Clinton foundation who then donates to the Hillary Clinton campaign…

albill on July 29, 2014 at 11:35 AM

US: Russia violated 1987 missile treaty

So what will the President do to address it? Draw red crayon lines? Stamp his feet and pout?

zoyclem on July 29, 2014 at 11:39 AM

“The re-set workd.”
– Hillary

easyt65 on July 29, 2014 at 11:40 AM

But Russia’s entire claim to great-power status rests on its vast arsenal of nuclear weapons.

Well, that and the fact that it has the world’s third largest military budget, and sixth largest economy.

The West will expand sanctions to entire sectors of the Russian economy in an attempt to force Putin to retreat from his war in eastern Ukraine:

Which will actually increase the chances of a direct Russian intervention in Eastern Ukraine. Putin may well calculate that if he’s already being punished with severe sanctions anyway, he no longer has much to lose.

the fact that Russia, since the incident, has been allowing heavy weapons across the border into Ukraine.

Neocon logic:

When NATO bombs Serbia to help Muslim separatists in Kosovo, that’s good.

When Russia sends weapons to help pro-Russian separatists in East Ukraine, that’s an “outrage.”

The fomenting of the rebellion in Ukraine after seeing Putin’s puppet Viktor Yanukovich get chased out of Kyiv

Translation: When a democratically elected president was overthrown in an unconstitutional coup.

has created the first European war since the Balkans in the 1990s, and it cost the lives of almost 300 civilians on an airliner earlier this month.

More than 500 civilians have been killed in Eastern Ukraine, mostly by the Ukrainian army’s shelling of cities (which has been condemned by Human Rights Watch). Hundreds of thousands more have fled across the border to refugee camps in Russia. But of course this hasn’t received even 1/100th the MSM coverage of the plane, because European lives matter much more than the lives of East Ukrainians.

Here’s a good article by Pat Buchanan on the lunacy of the Obama administration/neocon policy towards Russia:

http://buchanan.org/blog/gop-ultimatum-vlad-6757

Jon0815 on July 29, 2014 at 11:47 AM

this treaty was a horror show for us to begin with.
ties missile defense systems to the treaty affecting our systems.
from 2010
http://www.theconservativevoices.com/topic/399-new-start-treaty/

http://dailysignal.com/2010/08/30/new-start-treaty-vote-predicted-in-lame-duck-session/

dmacleo on July 29, 2014 at 11:47 AM

http://www.breakingnews.com/

Malaysia Airlines plane crash in Ukraine, July 17, 2014
12m
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., at House hearing on MH17: ‘We all agree that the downing of the airliner was not intentional, but a tragic accident’ – @cindysaine
End of alert
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Ukraine, Russia political crisis
14m
Senior US officials: 3 short-range ballistic missiles that hit separatist area yesterday were shot from Ukrainian military – @NBCNews, @CNN
End of alert

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Excellent, now we have cover to withdraw from the treaty and develop these weapons ourselves. I’m sure Obama is going to jump right on that to ensure our defenses and deterrants remain strong. /s

Imrahil on July 29, 2014 at 11:59 AM

. The fomenting of the rebellion in Ukraine after seeing Putin’s puppet Viktor Yanukovich get chased out of Kyiv has created the first European war since the Balkans in the 1990s, and it cost the lives of almost 300 civilians on an airliner earlier this month.

The US spent 5 billion fomenting the rebellion. Approximately the same time Western big oil pitched sale oil fracking. Chevron won shale oil agreements Nov, 2013 for Eastern Ukraine fields

Not to worry. Joe Biden’s son has just been appointed to the Board of Directors of Burisma, Ukraine’s largest gas producer which holds prime control of the shale oil permits in eastern Ukraine, about where the plane went down. During the plane crash uproar, the company moved shale gas equipment under military protection into Donetsk to get a head start

Had to quote the Russians (Tass) since for some reason western press has no interest in the oil story. Which is critical, since France, Netherlands, Czech repub, Germany rejected fracking. Chevron got kicked out of Romania, got rejected by lithuania although it keeps Poland. Smaller nations can less afford to risk ground water. Ukraine is strategic for Chevron which is investing 10 billion on fracking there.

Meanwhile, had to get this quote from FT indirectly, an associate of Putin asked about the world court judgment against Putin for damages over the company Yukos Quote:“There is a war coming in Europe,” he said. “Do you really think this matters?”

Ukraine is off the headlines, So yesterday. MSM didn’t bother covering the other big plane crash in Mali, which might have been a shoot down. Today, border. Need some good border outrages, Timing is everything.

World economy just about fished out. How about a nice war

entagor on July 29, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Ukraine, Russia political crisis
4m
Photo: Residential area of Donetsk, Ukraine, after artillery shells landed there – @gpjhill

https://twitter.com/gpjhill/status/494147230132359168/photo/1

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Frozen in the Cold War
The roots of Obama’s weakness abroad

H/t Doc Holliday – explains obama’s cold war ‘mind’.

Schadenfreude on July 29, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Hey Obama – the 1970′s called and they want their appeasement policy back.

Steve Eggleston on July 29, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Ukraine, Russia political crisis
2m

Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, at House hearing on MH17: ‘Putin, I call him Napoleon of Siberia, has fingerprints all over this Lusitania-type incident’ – @MichaelMathes

https://twitter.com/MichaelMathes

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 12:13 PM

I’ve long said the US should be tougher on Russia but this step is in the wrong direction. It politicizes an important problem of nuclear non-proliferation and security. Why bring it up now? It’s one thing to bring it up as soon as the problem arises but be “flexible” about the consequences. “Hey, neighbor, technically you parked on my land but I like you so whenever you have time…” It’s quite something else to say: btw, you parked illegally 5 years ago. I’m not saying the claim is false but it carries no weight. The “neighbor” already knows you don’t like him and contemplate sanctions. You don’t need to invent new reasons, nobody cares about new reasons. Worse yet, following with this analogy, you show that “parking” is really not a concern at all; after all you’ve tolerated it for 5 years. It’s just an excuse. Well… are sure that nuclear safety is not a concern. Is this what we want to project to the rest of the world? I am not sure.

PBH on July 29, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Frustrated by the apparent ineffectiveness of previous sanctions and outraged by the deaths of 298 people aboard the Malaysia Airlines plane downed over eastern Ukraine, ambassadors were considering measures including limits on Russia’s access to European capital markets and a halt in trade in arms and dual-use and sensitive technologies.

So has France agreed NOT to sell warships to Russia now, including one named Sebastopol, after the Crimean port city where Russia maintains a naval base?

Steve Z on July 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, at House hearing on MH17: ‘Putin, I call him Napoleon of Siberia, has fingerprints all over this Lusitania-type incident’ – @MichaelMathes

https://twitter.com/MichaelMathes

canopfor on July 29, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Napoleon may not be the best analogy, since his armies invaded Russia, and were driven back not by Russian armies, but by food shortages in the Russian winter.

Maybe a better comparison would be Lenin or Stalin?

Steve Z on July 29, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Which is critical, since France, Netherlands, Czech repub, Germany rejected fracking. Chevron got kicked out of Romania, got rejected by lithuania although it keeps Poland. Smaller nations can less afford to risk ground water.

entagor on July 29, 2014 at 11:59 AM

OMG, are you seriously putting forward an Evil Chevron/Russian Fracking Conspiracy? Because if you seriously believe fracking effects ground water, and that “small nations” somehow have less water per acre of landmass than big nations (how far do you ship water, anyway? Gonna ship water from North Carolina to NYC, do you think?) you gonna need more Reynolds Wrap.

Dolce Far Niente on July 29, 2014 at 1:25 PM

This is an old story, I have read and even posted links to articles about Russia breaking these treaties with new missile developments. Those publishing those articles and wanting to discuss them were brushed off as “neocons” and “warmongers” and all the usual slurs.

The Soviets, and now the Russians, have cheated on all treaties, and will continue to cheat. It’s their nature.

Better question, why is Barry open to discussing this now?

slickwillie2001 on July 29, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Squirrel!

The worst thing about this is Obama will feel compelled to involve himself in this. I’m pretty certain nuclear weapons is not a field in which we want the Midas Touch of Obama screwing things up.

BobMbx on July 29, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Obama is entropy’s name.

sadatoni on July 29, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Now we know why that “reset” button was RED!

IrishEyes on July 29, 2014 at 5:09 PM

So, Romney was dead nuts accurate in his accessment of the Sovi … er Russians in that debate with King Putt.
Why yes, yes he was.
Too bad the Manure Spreading Media is soooo stupid.
Yep, the Media is made up of Gimmedat Operatives with by-lines, and remains so to this day.

Missilengr on July 29, 2014 at 6:06 PM