If voters had it to do over, Romney in a landslide

posted at 3:31 pm on July 27, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Polls which ask voters for their thoughts on how the last election should have shaped up a year or two years after the fact are pretty much meaningless. The latest CNN/ORC survey which asks voters that question is no exception to that rule. Nevertheless, with just 100 days remaining before the midterm elections, this question is an instructive measurement of voter satisfaction with the president.

If voters had it to do all over again, 53 percent would support Mitt Romney over the 44 percent who would continue to back Barack Obama. The president’s remaining coalition is what you would expect it to be; voters aged 18 – 34, Northeasterners, Democrats, self-identified liberals and moderates, urban and minority voters.

Where the president suffers the most in this survey is among women. CNN/ORC found that women voters backed Romney over Obama by 52 to 45 percent. That is almost identical to the margins among male voters (54/43 percent) and dramatic reversal from 2012 when the nationwide exit polls showed women backed Obama by double digits (55/44 percent).

There is not much in the way of good news for Obama in this poll. A majority say Obama is not a “strong and decisive leader.” By 56 to 43 percent, voters say Obama does not agree with them on the issues they “care about.” Only 42 percent say Obama can manage the government effectively; 57 percent believe he cannot.

But this survey is not all roses for Republicans either. In 2012, Obama trounced Romney by 63 points when voters were asked which candidate “cares about people like me.” While Romney has closed that gap in the intervening years since the last presidential election, he has not overcome the deficit entirely. By 51 to 48 percent (though within this poll’s 3.5 percent margin of error), voters still believe Obama cares more about them than does Romney.

Moreover, even in spite of Romney’s rehabilitation, voters would still back Clinton at this stage of the 2016 cycle by 55 to 42 percent.

This post has been updated since its original publication.


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LOL!

Mittens – a gift that keeps on giving.

Ned Pepper on July 27, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Who cares? It’s too late now.

AZCoyote on July 27, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Ned Pepper on July 27, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Grow up.

Buck Farky on July 27, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Of course it’s Hot Air’s new resident RINO Noah Rothman pimping this non-story.

bgibbs1000 on July 27, 2014 at 3:40 PM

In 2012, Obama trounced Romney by 63 points when voters were asked which candidate “cares about people like me.”

It’s those “all about me” low info voters self interest, whose minds have to be changed to “it’s about the nation” in order to save it.
I know dream on…

31giddyup on July 27, 2014 at 3:40 PM

This thread and the article itself is pointless. We don’t have it all to do over. So we must deal with the situation at had. A person can wish and pontificate all they want. But nothing is going to be changed by doing so. People have to grow up (and I’m talking about those so sought after independents and values voters) and realize it isn’t always about making choices. It’s about making the best choice with what’s available.

MrsGsBoyTommy on July 27, 2014 at 3:40 PM

How effing nice.

And helpful.

ladyingray on July 27, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Right wingers need to start calling the HillBilly a 1%er. Make her own it and watch her stumble over her own words as she tries to lie her way out of a situation the leftards created themselves.

Ogabe on July 27, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Moreover, even in spite of Romney’s rehabilitation, voters would still back Clinton at this stage of the 2016 cycle by 55 to 42 percent.

WHAT *ahem!* rehabilitation?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 27, 2014 at 3:45 PM

There is still Harry Reid and he is still not doing bubpkiss.

Missilengr on July 27, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Fools !!!!

Whitey Ford on July 27, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Moreover, even in spite of Romney’s rehabilitation, voters would still back Clinton at this stage of the 2016 cycle by 55 to 42 percent.

Just shows you how stupid the populace is……………

VegasRick on July 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Romney would have been a great President.

Whitey Ford on July 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Nice to know

DarkCurrent on July 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Romney would have been a great President.

Whitey Ford on July 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

LOL!!! Compared to the current one, well yeah maybe.

bgibbs1000 on July 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM

I’d like to see the numbers if blacks and Hispanics didn’t vote based largely or solely on race.

BuckeyeSam on July 27, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Romney would have been a great President.

Whitey Ford on July 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Yep. And the fools who did not go out and vote are as much to blame as the leeches.

VegasRick on July 27, 2014 at 3:51 PM

If voters had it to do over, Romney in a landslide

And at the same time, Romney would lose by 13 to Hillary per the same poll.

All this shows is that most voters have forgotten why they hated Romney (hence the close in the deficit of cares about people like me). Have another election with him, and he’ll get trounced again.

Stoic Patriot on July 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Noah, you wrote;

Nevertheless, with just 100 days reaming before the midterm elections, this question is an instructive measurement of voter satisfaction with the president.

Freud said there were no accidents; so, you may have meant…

100 days of reamings

Or, maybe it should have been remaining, instead!

massrighty on July 27, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Which President, except maybe for Ronald Reagan, would have won reelection at this point in his second term? This is meaningless and just another story to keep Romney in the news. Absolutely useless.

Red Widow on July 27, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Romney would have been a great President.

Whitey Ford on July 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

LOL!!! Compared to the current one, well yeah maybe.

bgibbs1000 on July 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Howdy Doody would have been a better president that Obama. Howdy Doody was a puppet too, ya know?

Key West Reader on July 27, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Stupid, ignorant jerks voters are who now change their minds. And most of them are women. Never should have given them the vote. Too emotional.

HiJack on July 27, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Howdy Doody would have been a better president that Obama. Howdy Doody was a puppet too, ya know?

Key West Reader on July 27, 2014 at 3:57 PM

But, what was Howdy’s twin brothers name?

massrighty on July 27, 2014 at 3:58 PM

But, what was Howdy’s twin brothers name?

massrighty on July 27, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Barack Obama?

VegasRick on July 27, 2014 at 4:00 PM

pffft

bernzright777 on July 27, 2014 at 4:00 PM

The poll is faulty.

Women wouldn’t be able to vote.

Ben Hur on July 27, 2014 at 4:01 PM

OK, and…how does this matter?

lexhamfox on July 27, 2014 at 4:02 PM

But, alas, as with liberals, RINOs don’t enjoy inconvenient truths dispelling their convenient myths.

S.P. Link on July 27, 2014 at 4:00 PM

http://spectator.org/articles/34451/mccain-beats-romney

VegasRick on July 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Wouldn’t happen. Here’s my comment from the headlines thread:

These type of polls were similar in 2012. When most of the people just knew Romney from 10 second sound bites and his salon tanned face then they thought he looked like an attractive character. And so, despite the fact that those that knew Romney best knew better, that was about the only rallying cry of the shallow Romneyites: ELECTABLE!

But we knew the self described “non-partisan progressive” and “severe conservative” was a horrible campaigner with a horrible campaign record (the only campaign he ever won, for MA governor, was in a Republican wave year, 2002, against a clueless Martha Coakley type and he still didn’t even get more than 50% of the vote).

Romney failed to seize the day in his campaign against Obama, trying to run away from issues that could have won the election for him, like illegal immigration, gay marriage, and even Obamacare. He didn’t get aggressive on those issues, and instead largely tried to make it about the economy (stupid), but with his “paid 13% in taxes” pedigree, and the improving economic stats, the economy was a toss up, so Obama succeeded in making the election about the smirking Romney’s wealth and irksome personality and the “war on women,” so Romney lost. That was predictable, and most of did predict that. It was a shrill minority that kept on yelling and yelling, against our better judgement, ELECTABLE!

Btw, similar polls came out in 2012 because the spotlight wasn’t on Romney. People had a false sense of the double-talker. And now people have forgotten just why they despised him. They’ll remember. Yes, if the spotlight returns, they’ll remember, and Romney will go down again. Just go away.

anotherJoe on July 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM

LOL!
Mittens – a gift that keeps on giving.
Ned Pepper on July 27, 2014 at 3:36 PM
Dems are known for their immaturity thanks for confirming it…

sorrowen on July 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM

So basically Obama has lost the non-progressive white vote. Steve Sailer for the win.

DFCtomm on July 27, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Romney would have been a great President.

Whitey Ford on July 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

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Yep. And the fools who did not go out and vote are as much to blame as the leeches.

VegasRick on July 27, 2014 at 3:51 PM
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Shhh . . . . . . not so loud ‘Rick … they’re among us, here.
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THERE’S ONE, RIGHT NOW !
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Except with those mythical fundamentalists like myself who stayed home and refused to vote for Romney because he’s LDS, thereby knowingly and with malice aforethought handing the White House to Obama Just To Prove a Point. Except that most of us did in fact vote for Romney, albeit grudgingly. But, alas, as with liberals, RINOs don’t enjoy inconvenient truths dispelling their convenient myths.

S.P. Link on July 27, 2014 at 4:00 PM

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Oops … false alarm. Didn’t read it closely enough the first time.

Sorry S.P.’ … I falsely accused you.

listens2glenn on July 27, 2014 at 4:07 PM

This poll does not include the cheat factor. I bet dead and illeagle voters were not included.

rich8450 on July 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Romney would have been an a competent great President.

Whitey Ford on July 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Your name is raaacist!

Judge_Dredd on July 27, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Oops … false alarm. Didn’t read it closely enough the first time.

Sorry S.P.’ … I falsely accused you.

listens2glenn on July 27, 2014 at 4:07 PM

http://spectator.org/articles/34451/mccain-beats-romney

VegasRick on July 27, 2014 at 4:11 PM

CNN/ORC found that women voters backed Romney over Obama by 52 to 45 percent.

Back to Daddy.

vlad martel on July 27, 2014 at 4:11 PM

If voters had it to do over, Romney in a landslide

And if Romney had it to do over again, it would be Obama who won.

The GOP elites have an amazing ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

sharrukin on July 27, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Ned Pepper on July 27, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Sympathies again, Neddy, on losing your job Friday.

For those who missed it:

BuzzFeed Fires Editor for Plagiarism

The hot website BuzzFeed fired politics editor Benny Johnson, saying it found “40 instances of sentences or phrases copied word for word from other sites.”

BuzzFeed editor-in-chief Ben Smith announced Friday night that Johnson was dismissed after they had confirmed many instances of plagiarism. Smith must regret telling Gawker that Johnson was “one of the web’s deeply original writers.”

Don’t worry, Ned, I’m sure CNN has an anchor job for ya…

Del Dolemonte on July 27, 2014 at 4:13 PM

What is really sad is that even if a President Romney was a mediocre president he would be leagues ahead of the current POC individual. How far our standards have fallen when we consider someone who is merely competent and actually like the country to be good. It make you want to weep. To all you who voted for the one: thanks for nothing.

warmairfan on July 27, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Hey, vote for me…you could not do worse. Sorry, flashback to me days of picking up chicks, 8-ball hanging out of me pocket and saying….hey babe you could do worse.

8-ball, now there is an 80′s reference. Do I hear Miami Vice playing in the background?

HonestLib on July 27, 2014 at 4:16 PM

I didn’t vote for Mitt then and I would NEVER vote for him now. The GOPe and the democrats are so much alike, things wouldn’t be much different with Mitt in office.

tencole on July 27, 2014 at 4:16 PM

What is really sad is that even if a President Romney was a mediocre president he would be leagues ahead of the current POC individual.

Or we would’ve already had amnesty. The best result of a Romney win would’ve been the subsequent freak out from the frothing left, which would’ve been a highly valuable lesson to the rest of America.

vlad martel on July 27, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Lest we forget. 65 million idiots voted for round 2 instead of just staying the hell home. G’bye America. It was nice knowing you.

Judge_Dredd on July 27, 2014 at 4:17 PM

S.P. Link on July 27, 2014 at 4:00 PM
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http://spectator.org/articles/34451/mccain-beats-romney

VegasRick on July 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM

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Excerpt from that link :
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In Pennsylvania, I saw a red-hot anti-Obama sentiment and very strong support for Romney. But apparently it wasn’t wide enough to compel enough of our side to go to the booth and cast a ballot for Mitt Romney.

Romney lost because our side wasn’t strong enough to lift him across the goal-line. It was like we handed the ball to Obama in the fourth quarter and let him run down field untouched.

What’s the lesson for the GOP? I’m not sure . . . . . . . . . .

Paul Kengor @spectator.org on November 9, 2012

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Nominate CONSERVATIVE candidates, in the primaries, Paul.
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ABOLISH OPEN PRIMARIES . . . . . they only help the leftists.

listens2glenn on July 27, 2014 at 4:17 PM

The conservative base would stay home and he would lose again. I will not vote for another RINO. Especially after what they did in Mississippi.

I would rather have Hillary. Because at the end of the day, if a true conservative is not president, “what difference does it make?”

Who gave us Obamacare? Roberts – A George Bush appointee.

conservativeBC on July 27, 2014 at 4:17 PM

As ‘fundamentally conservative’ as I am, I think that just about ANY RINO is worth my vote in 2016 !!
Yeah, yeah, I know … But ANYTHING but an obvious progressive !!
PLEASE !!!

pambi on July 27, 2014 at 4:18 PM

This is beyond meaningless.

DisneyFan on July 27, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Del Dolemonte on July 27, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Ned, the Ted Baxter of HotAir. I can say without a doubt that pepper sprout has said more than once….how about a teddie for Neddie to the ladies.. Chuckle.

HonestLib on July 27, 2014 at 4:19 PM

If voters had it to do over, Romney in a landslide-DICK MORRIS

MaiDee on July 27, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Who gave us Obamacare? Roberts – A George Bush appointee.

conservativeBC on July 27, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Too true. But again, the identity of the President has important cultural effects at least as important as anything he actually does.

vlad martel on July 27, 2014 at 4:21 PM

One takeaway from this poll: Hillary should have declined nomination as SecState and primaried Obama in 2012. She could have pointed to a myriad of reasons why President Manchild was shown to be unfit to lead.

Start with the ARRA and end with Benghazi, which would probably have happened whether she was SecState or not.

I think she’s doomed in 2016 as long as we can nominate an articulate and charismatic conservative.

Conservative Mischief on July 27, 2014 at 4:21 PM

So basically this poll confirms that Hope & Change was a brilliant strategery.

We have the real world of Obamunism, and the hypothetical world of life under the Romney Regime.

Yet when comparing the hypothetical world of Romney against the hypothetical world of Shrillary, we get a repeat of 2012.

The poll would have made more sense if it also included the same proportion of Disney characters, deceased relatives, illegal aliens and family pets that voted in the last election.

Reuben Hick on July 27, 2014 at 4:22 PM

But this survey is not all roses for Republicans either. In 2012, Obama trounced Romney by 63 points when voters were asked which candidate “cares about people like me.” While Romney has closed that gap in the intervening years since the last presidential election, he has not overcome the deficit entirely. By 51 to 48 percent (though within this poll’s 3.5 percent margin of error), voters still believe Obama cares more about them than does Romney.

Give some credit to the treasonous scum of the Democrat party for their effective propaganda, but the real power is with the DNC media — the power of pure political bias and total control over the main source of information for the idiot LIVs, the boob tube.

Jaibones on July 27, 2014 at 4:23 PM

So if it wasn’t people like me who stayed home (at least not in near the numbers claimed), who did? Better question: is it an established, beyond-dispute fact that (R) turnout was lower than ’08?

S.P. Link on July 27, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Well, I didn’t stay home, but I did vote third party in 2012 because I was so disgusted with my options (and no, I don’t regret it). The rest of my family however did stay home.

Stoic Patriot on July 27, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Basically progressives are just waiting out the demographic shifts that will end the GOP and conservatisms influence. Not pressed.

libfreeordie on July 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

The slave of HA is for slave labor and child trafficking.

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2014 at 4:24 PM

So if it wasn’t people like me who stayed home (at least not in near the numbers claimed), who did? Better question: is it an established, beyond-dispute fact that (R) turnout was lower than ’08?

S.P. Link on July 27, 2014 at 4:21 PM

I don’t have a link, but I’m sure that due to demographic shifts the (R) turnout slowly drops every election, but that only muddies the waters.

DFCtomm on July 27, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Ned Pepper on July 27, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Did you write that yourself?

CW on July 27, 2014 at 4:26 PM

But they would elect Hillary by double digits.
People are so stupid I can’t even muster up a turd of such low worth that it can be given about mankind any more.

Smegley on July 27, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Romney would have been a great President.

Whitey Ford on July 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

I would have liked to see a Romney foreign policy use a few creative economic weapons like unleashing American energy. Or maybe cornering the market in selling missile defense systems.

rhombus on July 27, 2014 at 4:28 PM

I hope the Republican Party looks at this and understands they are up against a political party that has no scruples and will do whatever it takes to win. What they did to Romney is something the press, not only allowed them to get away with but, in many cases, colluded with them to get it done (Candy Crowley comes to mind). You need to find some strategist who assume the worst and come up with a strategy to counteract it. Romney let the Democrats and Obama go on for months with no replies, didn’t go after Obama at all, and then played catch-up after the convention.

It’s time for no more Mr. Nice-Guy. Every time things get tough the Democrats come out and say, “You’d better not say that about our candidate because ———– (fill in the blank with woman, black, Hispanic, disabled, etc) and then when you place nice, for fear of what their media wing is going to say, they go out and trash you for thinking about doing something that you never did.

The Democratic Party is lowered the bar so far that it’s time for Republicans to take care of it and go after them. What they’ve done to the country is worth, not only pointing out but also giving the voters a chance to either keep the lying party in office or going with someone who will tell them the truth.

bflat879 on July 27, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Basically progressives are just waiting out the demographic shifts that will end the GOP and conservatisms influence. Not pressed.

libfreeordie on July 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

The slave of HA is for slave labor and child trafficking.

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Not to mention the thirst for genocide.

vlad martel on July 27, 2014 at 4:30 PM

If voters had it to do over, Romney in a landslide

This is a good message for voters as we head into November and 2016.

“We told you so” - is worth repeating over and over again.

The really good news – it can used by any our possible candidates – not just Romney.

jake-the-goose on July 27, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Romney would have been a great President.

Whitey Ford on July 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

I completely agree – 110% I agree

jake-the-goose on July 27, 2014 at 4:31 PM

If voters had it to do all over again, 53 percent would support Mitt Romney over the 44 percent who would continue to back Barack Obama.

That seems close to what the number shouldawouldacoulda been in a purely objective, Thunderdome type of matchup, with only the good and bad characteristics and career performances of both men available as the means of deciding who to vote for.

No media or socio/political/cultural filters: Just who has the brains, balls, guts, heart and track record? I think in 2012 that was Romney Hands-down Warts and All.

But we don’t live in any such dome. And so allowed himself to be painted as a greedy heartless monster Romney did, (pretty much 180 degrees from who and what he really is).

Thus did the worst-performing President since Presidents were invented way way back before like, steamboats and stuff, skate to a relatively easy win.

Sacramento on July 27, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Except with those mythical fundamentalists like myself who stayed home and refused to vote for Romney because he’s LDS, thereby knowingly and with malice aforethought handing the White House to Obama Just To Prove a Point. Except that most of us did in fact vote for Romney, albeit grudgingly. But, alas, as with liberals, RINOs don’t enjoy inconvenient truths dispelling their convenient myths.

S.P. Link on July 27, 2014 at 4:00 PM

*Sarah, is that you?*
I think its way past time to dispel this stupid RINO claim that it was Christian conservatives who stayed home from the polls in 2012 and thus contributed to Mitt’s loss.

I am positive that it was not. Far right conservatives knew exactly what was at stake in that election, and in my personal experience we ALL voted, and we voted R.

Who was most likely to have stayed home? The mushy middle-of-the-roaders, the cultural but uncommitted moderate Republicans who may very well have believed that “enthusiasm gap” would let Mitt win without them.

So, Republicans- shut the heck up with the whiny blame trip. YOUR candidate, YOUR unenthusiastic moderates lost the election, and given your propensities, you’re probably going to lose quite a few more.

Dolce Far Niente on July 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Basically progressives are just waiting out the demographic shifts that will end the GOP and conservatisms influence. Not pressed.

libfreeordie on July 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Sounds like something Al Qeada would say… substitute the nouns

jake-the-goose on July 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Obama trounced Romney by 63 points when voters were asked which candidate “cares about people like me.”

LIV, libtard all over that result—caring=feelings….their life revolves around that one sentiment…

Should have been worded: With gas prices doubling, food inflation, Obamacare proving to be a disaster, a dysfunctional health ins website, the Middle East ablaze, the IRS targeting one group, record black unemployment–DO YOU THINK OBAMA CARES FOR YOU?

hillsoftx on July 27, 2014 at 4:33 PM

“We told you so” – is worth repeating over and over again.

Not really. “We told you” what is the question. I’d contend the true nature of the threat wasn’t expressed at all. And the GOP has obviously remained completely incoherent on this issue.

vlad martel on July 27, 2014 at 4:33 PM

I can’t believe with all the possible real candidates this site can only come up with Mitt Romney posts. Unless he says he’s running -NO MORE MITT ROMNEY POSTS!

gerrym51 on July 27, 2014 at 4:34 PM

It’s time for no more Mr. Nice-Guy.
bflat879 on July 27, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Most of the sheep who voted for Obama did so because they thought he was Mr. Nice-Guy (cool, popular, accepting of young culture, someone who cares for me, etc.).

Clearly, he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. If you want a GOP wolf, and he looks like a wolf, the sheep won’t vote for him.

rhombus on July 27, 2014 at 4:34 PM

And the GOP has obviously remained completely incoherent on this issue.

vlad martel on July 27, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Not the GOP members I hang with….

jake-the-goose on July 27, 2014 at 4:35 PM

The one thing is how the breakdown of the DEAD VOTER would fall out. Pretty sure that is still 99 to 1 for King Barky the Liar.

jukin3 on July 27, 2014 at 4:36 PM

The really good news – it can used by any our possible candidates – not just Romney.

jake-the-goose on July 27, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Go ahead, run Paul Ryan and see what you get. I voted for Romney, and McCain before him, but I’m done with all that. If we aren’t going to hit the brakes then it’s time to hit the accelerator.

DFCtomm on July 27, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Ned, the Ted Baxter of HotAir. I can say without a doubt that pepper sprout has said more than once….how about a teddie for Neddie to the ladies.. Chuckle.

HonestLib on July 27, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Hey, man, don’t try to pawn off one of you guys’ ignorant gender malfunctions on us. We have enough of our own (Maerose Prizzie, Debbie Do-These-Lies-Make-Me-Look-Fat, Dora da Explora Jackson-Lee, etc).

Resist We Much on July 27, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Romney would have been a great President.

Whitey Ford on July 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

His record as Governor says you’re wrong.

RickB on July 27, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Economy – worse off, most, except not the 1%rs

Security – see IS (former ISIS) and the open borders.

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Romney would have been a great reasonably good President.

Whitey Ford on July 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Being a great President requires courage – something Mitt Romney has never been known for.

bw222 on July 27, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Go ahead, run Paul Ryan and see what you get. I voted for Romney, and McCain before him, but I’m done with all that. If we aren’t going to hit the brakes then it’s time to hit the accelerator.

DFCtomm on July 27, 2014 at 4:37 PM

My point was not that “we told you so” would win the election – simply that it is a point we need to make over and over again.

Paul Ryan did a good thing this week – unveiling his plan.

He has started an internal GOP discussion on a host of welfare related issues.

Good for him – someone had to get the conversation started – and he has.

jake-the-goose on July 27, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Just who has the brains, balls, guts, heart and track record? I think in 2012 that was Romney Hands-down Warts and All.

But we don’t live in any such dome. And so allowed himself to be painted as a greedy heartless monster Romney did, (pretty much 180 degrees from who and what he really is).

Sacramento on July 27, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Romney didn’t have the balls to take on Obama.

Romney didn’t have a great track record (Romneycare and a lot more).

Romney didn’t have the brains to create a GOTV effort, and instead relied on ORCA, which failed.

Romney didn’t bring the Ron Paul supporters on board, or the Palin supporters, instead leaving them out while embracing the fat boy Chris Christie. Real clever.

As to heart…yeah, he’s a nice guy and had nice things to say about Obama and how he didn’t want to light his hair on fire.

sharrukin on July 27, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Romney would have been a great reasonably good President.

Whitey Ford on July 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Being a great President requires courage – something Mitt Romney has never been known for.

bw222 on July 27, 2014 at 4:40 PM

And again, better than the guy we have now. No question.

CW on July 27, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Wait. I’m not really sure what Noah says this poll is telling us. Is there more support for Romney among Republicans now than when he lost, or is there less support for Obama among Democrats now than when he won?

…its hard to tell the difference anymore…

flyovermark on July 27, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Young people are stupid, especially single young people. They are naive and gullible, and these generations have spent their entire academic lives in the ruinous environment created in education by the federal government, teachers’ unions, and the anti-American academic left.

Single women in particular are horrible voters. They are influenced by the basest emotional appeals.

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And the frequently asked poll question of the last 40 years or so, “Which candidate cares more about people like me?” is utterly vacuous and destructive, yet it is the single metric most likely to predict a winner.

People who would elect Obama twice don’t deserve a Republic.

Adjoran on July 27, 2014 at 4:45 PM

flyovermark on July 27, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Jeepers – now I’m confused…

Yuk Yuk

jake-the-goose on July 27, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Basically progressives are just waiting out the demographic shifts that will end the GOP and conservatisms influence. Not pressed.

libfreeordie on July 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Except it never quite works out like that. Proggies thought they had reached nirvana in the 1910s…and then they had to crawl back under their rocks. Same thing happened in the 1960s.

You know how you guys always say that we need immigration reform ‘because there are some jobs Americans just won’t do’ and then you want to make illegals Americans? What makes you think that once they become Americans they will won’t to do the jobs that ‘Americans just won’t do’?

The same principle is at play with the idea that your coalition will forever remain Progressive. You seem to think that minorities, women and the young will always be Progressives and want to foot the bill for everyone else. Seriously? Because I can tell you, having watched the same premise fall apart in the UK, it doesn’t work out that way. Immigrants that have come to the UK didn’t remain part of Labour as they moved up the income ladder. They same has happened with women and other groups.

The only people that have pretty much stayed with Labour are the life-dolers. And, you know what? You can’t have a functioning, prosperous society made up of only those in the cart.

Resist We Much on July 27, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Moreover, even in spite of Romney’s rehabilitation, voters would still back Clinton at this stage of the 2016 cycle by 55 to 42 percent.

This is disturbing. Do independents lack a compass, a conviction?

How can polls show Obama losing independents, while the boosting Hil’s numbers at the same time? omg.

old school on July 27, 2014 at 4:46 PM

I can’t believe with all the possible real candidates this site can only come up with Mitt Romney posts. Unless he says he’s running -NO MORE MITT ROMNEY POSTS!

gerrym51 on July 27, 2014 at 4:34 PM

No Jebby ones either. Done with retreads, dynasties (Bush, Clinton), and those who “shake hands with the other side”.

31giddyup on July 27, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Paul Ryan did a good thing this week – unveiling his plan.

He has started an internal GOP discussion on a host of welfare related issues.

Good for him – someone had to get the conversation started – and he has.

jake-the-goose on July 27, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Paul Ryan will NEVER get my vote nor will any other politician that calls illegal aliens ‘Undocumented Americans.’

It’s offencive beyond words.

Resist We Much on July 27, 2014 at 4:47 PM

I’m reminded of Mencken’s “good and hard” comment.

tenore on July 27, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Paul Ryan will NEVER get my vote nor will any other politician that calls illegal aliens ‘Undocumented Americans.’

Resist We Much on July 27, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Duly noted.

jake-the-goose on July 27, 2014 at 4:48 PM

He has started an internal GOP discussion on a host of welfare related issues.

Good for him – someone had to get the conversation started – and he has.

jake-the-goose on July 27, 2014 at 4:41 PM

His plans are garbage, and in no way address our fiscal problems, but even that weak tea is portrayed as shoving grandma over the cliff. What has been done to the nation was genius. If they had raised taxes to pay for their entitlement schemes the voter would never have stood for it, but instead they spent debt, and thanks to the GOP the tax payer has never had to feel the pain. Lets use the medical metaphor of heart disease: instead of a steady case of Angina, telling us something is wrong, we’re going to go straight to the massive coronary with nearly no warning symptoms at all. We’ll wake up one day and the country will be dead.

DFCtomm on July 27, 2014 at 4:49 PM

No Jebby ones either. Done with retreads, dynasties (Bush, Clinton), and those who “shake hands with the other side”.

the difference to me is Jeb Bush says he might run. I have no problem with posts about any legitimate candidate but Romney says he’s not running

gerrym51 on July 27, 2014 at 4:52 PM

DFCtomm on July 27, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Good post – I like the analogy.

Sometimes I do ask myself – when will the debt-deficit-monster come home to roost?

Recent bond auctions sold out in record time.

Remember when the debt and the deficit were going to end us,, during Reagan’s tenure.

Seems like an issue that is losing its emotional impact – since it has been a monster for 30+ years – and counting.

Just saying….

jake-the-goose on July 27, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Stupid, ignorant jerks voters are who now change their minds. And most of them are women. Never should have given them the vote. Too emotional.

HiJack on July 27, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Yep, let the Nanny’s vote and ya get a nanny state. Thanks a lot ladies for putting Obozo over the top.

Doomsday on July 27, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Paul Ryan did a good thing this week – unveiling his plan.

He has started an internal GOP discussion on a host of welfare related issues.

Good for him – someone had to get the conversation started – and he has.

jake-the-goose on July 27, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Paul Ryan is a disciple of the Jack Kemp school of the GOP (compassionate conservatism, which really isn’t conservatism at all).

Looking at Ryan’s record and support for amnesty, I predict this will go as far as all of Ryan’s “Kick the Can Down the Road” fiscal proposals – nowhere.

Ryan is a fraud.

bw222 on July 27, 2014 at 4:56 PM

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