Uh oh: More audio emerges of Jon Gruber saying only state ObamaCare exchanges will be eligible for subsidies; Update: Gruber responds by ducking

posted at 2:01 pm on July 25, 2014 by Allahpundit

Oh dear. This is another speak-o, isn’t it?

Give credit to Morgen Richmond and John Sexton for digging it up. There’s a key difference between this audio and the audio Ed posted this morning, too:

Gruber’s moronic excuse to TNR, that he committed a “speak-o” while rambling through a Q&A, obviously doesn’t work for this one. Which makes me wonder: Did he knowingly lie to TNR or has he somehow convinced himself that he never believed that only state exchanges would be eligible for ObamaCare subsidies? The answer doesn’t matter insofar as the quotes are damaging either way to the left’s bogus “drafting error” theory for what happened in the parts of O-Care at issue in the Halbig case, but I’m amused by how he’s painted himself into a corner now. His choices are ‘fessing up to lying, probably by admitting that yes, okay, he did at one point believe that only state exchanges would be eligible but has since changed his mind, or basically saying, “Oh yeah, I forgot about that.” Mind you, this is the guy whom the media routinely credits as having all but drafted the ObamaCare statute.

In lieu of an exit question, I’m setting the over/under on the final total of damaging Gruber soundbites to emerge at four. Place your bets.

Update: This is a non-answer.

Gruber told The New Republic [after the first video clip emerged] that he had made a mistake.

“I was speaking off-the-cuff. It was just a mistake. People make mistakes. Congress made a mistake drafting the law and I made a mistake talking about it,” Gruber told The New Republic’s Jonathan Cohn. “But there was never any intention to literally withhold money, to withhold tax credits, from the states that didn’t take that step. That’s clear in the intent of the law and if you talk to anybody who worked on the law. My subsequent statement was just a speak-o—you know, like a typo.”

A second recording has surfaced showing Gruber making similar statements about subsidies not being available on federally run exchanges. Asked over email whether those remarks were a mistake, too, Gruber wrote back, “same answer.”

He wasn’t speaking off the cuff in the second clip, though. It obviously wasn’t a speak-o/typo. This is him basically saying “I don’t want to talk about it anymore.”


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Maybe he drinks what Hillary drinks?

katy the mean old lady on July 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Jonathan Gruber to introduce new cereal for Dhimmicrats: Speak-Os

NoFanofLibs on July 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM

As the kids say.

“pwnt.”

Defenestratus on July 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Uh-Oh!

bigGwillie on July 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Ace posted this too, which i think is relevant:

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4504852/senate-hearing-tax-credits-available-state-exchanges

MikeInBA on July 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

I would make a bet that had you hooked him up to a lie detector back then and asked him if states had to participate for residents to get the subsidies he would have said yes, and passed the test.

If you asked him the same question today, he would say no, and pass the test.

Reality is what he wants it to be — a sure sign of psychosis.

No Truce With Kings on July 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Tripping over one’s own tongue on camera is not a Republican privilege anymore.

Rix on July 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM

No wonder the guy is a schmutz, he has a passing resemblance to Keef Olbermann.

Bishop on July 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Gruber:

“Uh, I had PTSD at the time which gave me ‘Chronic Speak-o-itis’. Ya that’s it!”

Jon Lovitz’s pathological liar character is even ashamed at this….

geojed on July 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM

How can the IRS delete all these you tube videos?
I hope someone archives them so they don’t disappear a la Lois Lerner hard drive.

txdoc on July 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Rush talking about Gruber now on his show.

theotherone on July 25, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Pretty fast descent from the penthouse to the outhouse.

docflash on July 25, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Mind you, this is the guy whom the media routinely credits as having all but drafted the ObamaCare statute.

Not just the media. Gruber himself claimed (in the NY Times 2012 article) that he knows Obamacare better than anyone.

AZCoyote on July 25, 2014 at 2:12 PM

now what, is the hard drive scratched?

warmairfan on July 25, 2014 at 2:12 PM

More “Speak-O”?

Or will they shift to “Dude, that was like 4 years ago?”

ConstantineXI on July 25, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Maybe he drinks what Hillary drinks?

katy the mean old lady on July 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Those quotes came before the Reset button was pressed, so they don’t count.

BlueCollarAstronaut on July 25, 2014 at 2:12 PM

I still have no faith in the Roberts court when it comes to Obamacare. Roberts will twist himself into pretzels, ignore plain language, contradictory public statements from Democrats in and out of the Regime, ignore the Constitution, and even the law as written to protect this clusterfark.

DRayRaven on July 25, 2014 at 2:13 PM

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Lying Bastards!

Privatize It on July 25, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Uh oh, escalation. Now it’s a double-dog-speak-o?

That leaves only the triple speako, and then, the coup de grace of all speak-os, the sinister triple-dog-speak-o.

novaculus on July 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Another example of that peerless staff of scholars they have at MIT. Noam Chomsky’s tenured employer as well I believe.

DanMan on July 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM

On repealing Obamacare:

You asked for miracles? I give you Jon Gruber.

- Hans Gruber

chuckfinlay on July 25, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Allah, put me down for the “five” square please. I’ll send you my dollar in the mail.

The War Planner on July 25, 2014 at 2:15 PM

$2 trillion… We could have wasted the money on 2,000 B-2 bombers and got a better return on it.

Putin would’ve sh*t his pants…..

Turtle317 on July 25, 2014 at 2:16 PM

And yet, the White House says the subsidies continue. Time for some Governors to step up?

Looking at you, Scott Walker.

M240H on July 25, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Let’s discuss it under O-ath.

rogerb on July 25, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Uh oh, escalation. Now it’s a double-dog-speak-o?

That leaves only the triple speako, and then, the coup de grace of all speak-os, the sinister triple-dog-speak-o.

novaculus on July 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM

LMAO

Key West Reader on July 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM

Senate Hearing : Tax Credits Are Available For State Exchanges Only

Senator Baucus explains how The Affordable Care Act sets conditions where Tax Credits are available for State Exchanges Only

Resist We Much on July 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM

Bozo

faraway on July 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM

Wow… what a spectacular renunciation of your own personal integrity. , Gruber. El-Speak-O!

Key West Reader on July 25, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Remember when Mitt Romney’s campaign would parse every utterance, eliminate the context, then spend days and days trying to convince the media that Obama had committed an epic gaffe that would end his chances of being re-elected?

This is the same thing.


Remember “You Didn’t Build That” was the biggest, bestest gaffe ever and was sure to doom King Barry? Remember that?

Yeah, King Barry was taken to the cleaners in that election.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Which makes me wonder: Did he knowingly lie to TNR or has he somehow convinced himself that he never believed that only state exchanges would be eligible for ObamaCare subsidies?

Oh, come on, AP.

You are far too generous.

mankai on July 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Maybe he drinks what Hillary drinks?

katy the mean old lady on July 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Why on earth would this Gruber guy be drinking a haldol/testosterone/blood of virgins colada every morning?

M240H on July 25, 2014 at 2:20 PM

I love it when the Fascists get caught up in their lies.

oceansidecon on July 25, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Doncha love archival footage?

formwiz on July 25, 2014 at 2:20 PM

I can only figure I’m not educated enough to want to try and keep that many contradictory positions straight.

rogerb on July 25, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Binders full of women.

Wanna try again?

Buck Farky on July 25, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Maybe he drinks what Hillary drinks?

katy the mean old lady on July 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Why on earth would this Gruber guy be drinking a haldol/testosterone/blood of virgins colada every morning?

M240H on July 25, 2014 at 2:20 PM

O.M.G. LMAO!!!

Key West Reader on July 25, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Yeah, King Barry was taken to the cleaners in that election.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Oh well, in that case gaffe away! There’s no consequences to gaffes in politics anymore, people!

Ned Pepper says so!

Turtle317 on July 25, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Translation: Leftists don’t care if they’re lied to or insulted, they’ll keep voting for slavery.

The most important thing is that the ruling class maintain power. Truth be damned./

Give us he’ll, Quimby!

mankai on July 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Dems to illegal immigrants: “[Red state] casa, su casa.”

Gruber to federal courts that will listen: “Mi speak-o, su ignoro.”

BuckeyeSam on July 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Getting pretty desperate there, Ned. The Obamacare mastermind unquestionably agrees with the plantiffs in Halbig. Even Max Baucus, who voted on it, agrees with us too:

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4504852/senate-hearing-tax-credits-available-state-exchanges

crrr6 on July 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Ned’s so scared.

CurtZHP on July 25, 2014 at 2:23 PM

So, basically what you’re saying is, the court that ruled the subsidies could CONTINUE the other day, are pretty much nothing but ObamaBot HACKS that don’t care what is actually written IN the law and completely unambiguous?

Yep, sounds about right.

Meople on July 25, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Ka-boom! The historical record of Obama’s failed presidency will climax with his signature legislation imploding in the manner its critics so easily predicted it would. This epic failure of government interference in the health insurance market all but kills any hope for single payer.

Ellis on July 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Clearly the technology to capture and replay audio and video is racist and is just skewing the sounds because it hates Obama.

SoRight on July 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM

That was a good effort, but you may consider watching more legal dramas, Ned.

rogerb on July 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Keep talking-o

faraway on July 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Clearly the technology to capture and replay audio and video is racist and is just skewing the sounds because it hates Obama.

SoRight on July 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM

The laws of physics are clearly racist.

Turtle317 on July 25, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Yeah, King Barry was taken to the cleaners in that election.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Quinnipiac Poll: Obama worst president since WWII

sentinelrules on July 25, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Remember when Mitt Romney’s campaign would parse every utterance, eliminate the context, then spend days and days trying to convince the media that Obama had committed an epic gaffe that would end his chances of being re-elected?

This is the same thing.

Remember “You Didn’t Build That” was the biggest, bestest gaffe ever and was sure to doom King Barry? Remember that?

Yeah, King Barry was taken to the cleaners in that election.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

One is a verbal gaffe in an election, the other is a lawsuit over the wording of an poorly drafted and incompetently executed law.

So it’s really not the same thing at all.

Chuck Schick on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Even Max Baucus, who voted on it, agrees with us too:

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4504852/senate-hearing-tax-credits-available-state-exchanges

crrr6 on July 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

LOL! Go ahead, get your hopes up!

John Roberts will again deliver a nice, hard smack in conservative faces. 5-4 yet again.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Should change his name to Grubber, first name, Crapola.

vnvet on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

It sounds like he had a standard “stump” speech explaining Obamacare. AllahP, I’ll take the over. I bet there are dozens of occasions when he said what he said about the exchanges. The question is how many of those who taped the speech are willing to come forward with the evidence?

Mallard T. Drake on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

obviously that audio clip is fake and someone was just imitating his voice. probably an evil republican who is trying to frame him.

obviously the clip is just a joke and it was made on april fool’s day. evil republicans edited the video and cut out the part at the end where he said “april fool!”

obviously he was asleep and just talking in his sleep. he was having a bad dream and babbling nonsense. he woke up later and when he was awake, he explained that he was just sleep-talking and didn’t mean anything he said.

(i’m trying to think of more excuses he can use! i’m trying to help him out here.)

Sachiko on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Senate Hearing : Tax Credits Are Available For State Exchanges Only

Senator Baucus explains how The Affordable Care Act sets conditions where Tax Credits are available for State Exchanges Only

Resist We Much on July 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM

Uh oh, escalation. Now it’s a double-dog-speak-o?

That leaves only the triple speako, and then, the coup de grace of all speak-os, the sinister triple-dog-speak-o.

novaculus on July 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Well, the 4th Circuit only found the wording ‘ambiguous’. Pretty embarrassing given the speak-o’s and Baucus’s explanation.

It seems as it was the will and intent of Congress – as it is the critical piece needed for coercing the states to accept the demands and will of the federal government to establish exchanges needed for the massive expansion of wealth redistribution (to the tune of $4,250 – $4,400 per recipient) using taxpayer funds.

It can’t be said often enough – the ACA was never, ever intended as legislation to ‘fix’ the problems in the healthcare industry. At best, it was intended to fail, blazing a path for single-payer, that successful healthcare program under government control that has the VA system as it’s model of success, efficiency, and attention to the needs of their patients.

Athos on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

He’s Wacko

faraway on July 25, 2014 at 2:28 PM

LOL! Go ahead, get your hopes up!

John Roberts will again deliver a nice, hard smack in conservative faces. 5-4 yet again.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Yup.

Just like in Hobby Lobby.

sentinelrules on July 25, 2014 at 2:28 PM

How much you want to bet if only a couple of red states didn’t have state exchanges they’d be dropping the letter of the fkn law on them for those subsidies?

crrr6 on July 25, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Which makes me wonder: Did he knowingly lie to TNR or has he somehow convinced himself that he never believed that only state exchanges would be eligible for ObamaCare subsidies?

Did he knowingly lie? Um, let me think…

Yes. Yes he did.

climbnjump on July 25, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Maybe he drinks what Hillary drinks?

katy the mean old lady on July 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Vodka, Gin.

RickB on July 25, 2014 at 2:31 PM

LOL! Go ahead, get your hopes up!

John Roberts will again deliver a nice, hard smack in conservative faces. 5-4 yet again.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

It’s not just conservatives. America hates ObamaCare. 4 years worth of polls say so.

Chuck Schick on July 25, 2014 at 2:32 PM

John Roberts will again deliver a nice, hard smack in conservative faces. 5-4 yet again.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

NLRB was 9-0.

nobar on July 25, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Did he knowingly lie to TNR or has he somehow convinced himself that he never believed that only state exchanges would be eligible for ObamaCare subsidies?

Those are Obama-o’s not speak-o’s.

RickB on July 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

I do not understand why more audio is not out there on this, and some from actual representatives and senators. I remember when it first passed hearing about how the subsidies were intended to force the states to create exchanges, because constitutionally the federal government was prevented from forcing them to make the exchanges.

Where did all those stories go?

astonerii on July 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM

LOL! Go ahead, get your hopes up!

John Roberts will again deliver a nice, hard smack in conservative faces. 5-4 yet again.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

You seem really nervous and agitated – almost like all of the evidence is mounting against you.

crrr6 on July 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM

John Roberts will again deliver a nice, hard smack in conservative faces. 5-4 yet again.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

If that happens, given the CLEAR and unquestionably precise wording in the law, coupled with Gruber’s own words, likely to be used as evidence in any SC proceedings…

each and every justice that STILL votes to allow the subsidies and keep ObamaGlitch afloat, should be impeached and thrown off the court because obviously they can’t READ.

Meople on July 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Oh. All you’re interested in is points for your “team”.

Hush. Go away. Grownups talking.

Buck Farky on July 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Ka-boom! The historical record of Obama’s failed presidency will climax with his signature legislation imploding in the manner its critics so easily predicted it would. This epic failure of government interference in the health insurance market all but kills any hope for single payer.

Ellis on July 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Doubtful that the private market can be restored. I just got notified that I have to do a blood test in order to keep my employer based coverage. If I refuse, I lose all coverage. Also, my premium is expected to rise by 35% at a minimum.

Key West Reader on July 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM

I wish I could find that Hawaii Five-O clip from Jerry Maguire.

Jack Lord: “Boom.”

Gruber: “Say, did all that footage in which I insisted tax-credit subsidies were eligible only through state exchanges (as the statute clearly states) get preserved or destroyed? Oh, really, all preserved, huh? (gulp.)”

BuckeyeSam on July 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM

NLRB was 9-0.

nobar on July 25, 2014 at 2:32 PM

I’m losing count… how many unanimous decisions have been made against the Obama administration?

13? Or did I lose track….

Turtle317 on July 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM

I do not understand why more audio is not out there on this, and some from actual representatives and senators. I remember when it first passed hearing about how the subsidies were intended to force the states to create exchanges, because constitutionally the federal government was prevented from forcing them to make the exchanges.
 
Where did all those stories go?
 
astonerii on July 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM

 
Doesn’t C-Span have all the-
 
Wait, nevermind.

rogerb on July 25, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Gruber and Ezekiel Jonathan “Zeke” Emanuel are enemies of the state.

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2014 at 2:37 PM

I do not understand why more audio is not out there on this, and some from actual representatives and senators. I remember when it first passed hearing about how the subsidies were intended to force the states to create exchanges, because constitutionally the federal government was prevented from forcing them to make the exchanges.

Where did all those stories go?

astonerii on July 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Their hard drives crashed and they recycle their backup tapes every six months.

Silly goose.

Turtle317 on July 25, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

One of your many problems you liberal morons is that you confuse good governing with winning elections… For you everything is about winning elections and obtaining power… Everything Obama did has been destroyed but unfortunately it caused a lot of destruction to the country… Your Welfare queens agitator who won the Presidency twice with the vote of the parasites and the morons has turned the most powerful job in the world into golfing, dining late night with celebrities, reading speeches from a teleprompter that are full of lies and vacationing… All this while the world is burning, our enemies are stronger than ever, our GDP is -2.9%, most new jobs are low paying part time jobs, food prices are going through the roof… Our enemies do not fear us one bit and our allies do not trust us one bit… So enjoy your victory…

mnjg on July 25, 2014 at 2:38 PM

astonerii on July 25, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Obama’s media fluffers are purging those archives from their websites.

Seriously, this wasn’t really on anyone but the wonkiest bloggers radars until the last week or so, but the data mining has already begun in earnest. Give it some more time.

crrr6 on July 25, 2014 at 2:38 PM

If the supreme court hears the case and that’s a big IF, Roberts after re-writing Obamacare in the first case to make it fit the Constitution isn`t going to turn around and declare it unconstitutional because of this. In short don`t get your hopes up.

Rook on July 25, 2014 at 2:38 PM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2014 at 2:38 PM

All of team Obama has lots of speak o’s.

rob verdi on July 25, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Gruber is like all the Obamaites. So puffed up with how wicked smahhht he is. MIT, baby.

It’s delicious seeing him in this situation. Any hope someone can find a similar speak-o from the other ObamaCare architect, the supremely arrogant Zeke Emanuel?

Meredith on July 25, 2014 at 2:39 PM

NED PEPPER,, you are right in calling Him KING because thats what He would like to be. When He usurps what Congress does and when he dropped the work thing on Clintons welfare reform and when he said he would go around congress repeatedly, yeah he sure like to be King,,, You probably would have an orgasm if he was Made KING for life. Must suck to be an atheist and have to resort to human worship as your king.

garydt on July 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM

“The reset button worked” — Hillarybeast

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Is this guy related at all to Hans Gruber?

crrr6 on July 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Those are Obama-o’s not speak-o’s.

RickB on July 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

lol

I am thinking “speak-o” is going to become almost as ubiquitous as “What’s the frequency, Kenneth?” I sure hope I am right. =)

non-nonpartisan on July 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Remember when I plagiarized, just like Goodwin-Kearns and Zacharia, and then I ran away when challenged?

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM

I. Won.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

22044 on July 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM

“Each law means exactly what I choose it to mean.”

frost_ on July 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM

If the supreme court hears the case and that’s a big IF, Roberts after re-writing Obamacare in the first case to make it fit the Constitution isn`t going to turn around and declare it unconstitutional because of this. In short don`t get your hopes up.

Rook on July 25, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Like I said, if he does this like you say, then he and every other justice that votes with him should be impeached.

Meople on July 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM

If the supreme court hears the case and that’s a big IF, Roberts after re-writing Obamacare in the first case to make it fit the Constitution isn`t going to turn around and declare it unconstitutional because of this. In short don`t get your hopes up.

Rook on July 25, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Honestly, at the rate O-Care is imploding, the Supreme Court won’t have to do anything.

Turtle317 on July 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM

LOL! Go ahead, get your hopes up!

John Roberts will again deliver a nice, hard smack in conservative faces. 5-4 yet again.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

That’s certainly possible, but it’s really telling that you support someone that has now been openly exposed as a liar. Hell, if Gruber walked up to you and kicked you in the balls, you’d probably gush about how great it is that Obamacare covered the surgery to retrieve your testicles from your abdominal cavity.

ReaganWasRight on July 25, 2014 at 2:42 PM

In case you missed this:
========================

https://twitter.com/AP

The Associated Press @AP · 21h
MORE: Federal officials set maximum fine for not buying health insurance at $2,448 per person: http://apne.ws/1AdaHkV

The Associated Press @AP · 21h

BREAKING: Feds cap maximum fine this year for not buying health insurance at $2,448 per person.

canopfor on July 25, 2014 at 2:42 PM

BREAKING: Feds cap maximum fine this year for not buying health insurance at $2,448 per person.

canopfor on July 25, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Poorest hardest hit. But that’s liberal policy for you.

Turtle317 on July 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM

NLRB was 9-0.

nobar on July 25, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Who care about NRLB.

KingBarrycare was the big enchilada in 2012. And what did John Roberts do? Save the law.

Chief Justice John Roberts realized that in 2012 when he ruled the individual mandate constitutional. All evidence suggests he didn’t want to rule the mandate constitutional. But he thought it would harm the Court to do otherwise.

John Roberts is not your average Teatroll. He cares about the institution of the Supreme Court. And he is not going to jack up the premiums for millions of Americans when the case goes before SC in 2016.

John Roberts wants to preserve the shreds of credibility Supreme Court has so that he can continue to rule in favor of Corporations, gut voting rights etc. John Roberts will not take down KingBarryCare.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM

In case you missed this:
========================

https://twitter.com/AP

The Associated Press @AP · 21h
MORE: Federal officials set maximum fine for not buying health insurance at $2,448 per person: http://apne.ws/1AdaHkV

The Associated Press @AP · 21h

BREAKING: Feds cap maximum fine this year for not buying health insurance at $2,448 per person.

canopfor on July 25, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Wait, is it a “tax” or a “fine”?

Pretty sure the actual IRS tax form, labels it as a tax.

Meople on July 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Ned Pepper would probably love to see Obama dissolve the Supreme Court and Congress and therefore leave Obama absolute King. He would have no opposition politically or in the media. This is what Ned wants obviously.

garydt on July 25, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Alright, fess up. Who’s posting as Ned?

rogerb on July 25, 2014 at 2:46 PM

All this does is prove how stupid OCare proponents think the rest of us are. They never thought that anyone would actually remember their words or arguments in favor of the OCare monstrosity.

txmomof6 on July 25, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Why on earth would this Gruber guy be drinking a haldol/testosterone/blood of virgins colada every morning?

M240H on July 25, 2014 at 2:20 PM

I love you, man!

katy the mean old lady on July 25, 2014 at 2:47 PM

John Roberts wants to preserve the shreds of credibility Supreme Court has so that he can continue to rule in favor of Corporations, gut voting rights etc.

Ned Pepper on July 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Well, I need no further proof that this one is a sock. NO liberal believes this.

nobar on July 25, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Heads Up:

LIVE
Live video: Secretary of State John Kerry and UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hold a press conference in Cairo, Egypt – @NBCNews

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on July 25, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Alright, fess up. Who’s posting as Ned?

rogerb on July 25, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Gruber

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2014 at 2:48 PM

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