Quotes of the day

posted at 8:21 pm on July 25, 2014 by Allahpundit

Although Gruber’s remarks were made long after the passage of the law, the comments are a real problem for the Affordable Care Act’s supporters, because one of the key arguments against the lawsuits is that no one who worked on the law envisioned denying subsidies to those in federally run-exchanges…

“As a legal matter, it should really not carry much weight at all. To begin with, the main crux of the D.C. Circuit opinion is based in a strict textualist reading of the statute, that is looking only at the word of the statute and not to any outside sources,” said Rick Hasen, a law professor at the University of California-Irvine. “Even among those who look to legislative history, a statement of a non-legislator made outside of a hearing should be entitled to very little weight.”

Politically, however, the video is a boon to opponents of the Affordable Care Act.

“As a political matter, I think it provides a nice piece of ammunition and rhetorical points for people who subscribe to this theory, because here you have one of the architects of the law making a statement that appears to support their position,” said Hasen.

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Why is this so important? Because Gruber made this argument in January 2012. This was after the filing of Pruitt v. Sebelius (a Halbig-like case brought by Oklahoma’s state attorney general) but before the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling on the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act, and before all the other related cases were filed. At the time he gave this talk, Halbig’s argument was barely on the radar. Yet Gruber, one of the law’s architects, clearly had an understanding of the provision that liberals now say no one shared.

I’ve listened to Gruber’s whole presentation to make sure this wasn’t a poorly phrased snippet unfairly clipped out of context. It’s not. Gruber is succinctly stating the argument made by the plaintiffs in Halbig: that premium subsidies will not be available on federal exchanges, and that this is supposed to incentivize states to build their own exchanges.

To be sure, this was still two years after the law passed, and my understanding is that the court is not supposed to pay attention to post-facto statements about the law’s effect or intent. But unless this is some sort of elaborate hoax, I think this definitively puts to rest the notion that none of the bill’s architects could possibly have thought or intended that the law would have this effect. Gruber thought the law would have this effect — and if anyone would know, he would.

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GRUBER: You know, someone wrote today a very clever thing, which is whenever we fight about the Constitution, we always wonder, Well, what did the framers really mean? Well, in this case, we don`t have to wonder. We know what the framers of this law meant. We can ask them. We can go to the people who wrote this law and say, Did you ever intend this as a poison pill, or is it just a typo? And every single one of them say it`s just a typo.

So there`s no mystery here. There`s no wondering about original intent in writing this law. This typo — this is just a typo. And if the courts pass this and if it eventually makes it to the Supreme Court, we`re talking about seven million Americans who would become uninsured because of this typo, if they really interpret it that way. It’s just crazy.

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I don’t mean to overstate the importance of this revelation. Gruber acknowledging this feature of the law is not direct evidence of congressional intent. But Gruber is probably the most influential private citizen/government contractor involved in that legislative process. He was in the room with the people who crafted this bill. There may be videos of them talking about this feature too. (I wouldn’t know; I only researched congressional statements made pre-enactment.) At a minimum, however, with the D.C. Circuit and the Fourth Circuit and now Jonathan Gruber lining up against the idea that it is implausible that Congress could have meant what it said, we can dispense with that argument once and for all.

Interestingly, Gruber changed his story around the same time it seemed this provision might imperil the statute he had worked so hard to craft, enact, and protect.

Just one year later—after the IRS issued a final rule purporting to authorize tax credits in federal Exchanges, after Jonathan Adler and I published our research on this issue, and after people started filing lawsuits challenging that final rule—Gruber was singing a different tune…

Gruber really does have one of the greatest empirical minds in health economics. When he’s not wearing his advocacy hat, I pretty much take what he says as gospel. So when he claims this or that economic dynamic makes it implausible that Congress meant what it said, I guarantee he was aware of all those factors back in 2012. To claim he wasn’t, now that would be implausible.

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As I wrote a few months ago, this is also the same Gruber who said in January that Obamacare wasn’t designed to save money, even calling the idea that savings were a “misleading motivator” for Obamacare. This was after he very actively promoted the deficit-reducing side of the law before it was adopted and called Obamacare “a historic and cost-effective step in the right direction” toward saving our health-care cost problems. He’s also the guy whose work was used to create the appearance of a consensus among health economists about the ACA, without revealing that he was a paid contractor.

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Gruber has a history of saying interesting things about his favorite health law. “What we know for sure,” he told Ezra Klein in 2009, “is that [Obamacare] will lower the cost of buying non-group health insurance.” In fact, Obamacare has increased the underlying cost of non-group health insurance by 49 percent in the average county. Now, Gruber says that Obamacare “isn’t designed to save money.”

I wrote on Tuesday that both sides are wildly exaggerating the policy implications of this D.C. court decision. If the Supreme Court upholds the appeals court ruling in Halbig v. Burwell, every state government will set up its own exchange. In other words, the ruling is nothing but a speed bump for Obamacare.

But it’s important for the public record to reflect the fact that it’s not “nutty” or “stupid” or “cynical” or “dishonest” to assert that the Affordable Care Act only authorizes the flow of subsidies through exchanges established by state governments. That’s in fact what the law actually says. It’s what the D.C. Court of Appeals ruled that the law says. And no less an authority than Obamacare’s principal architect, Jonathan Gruber, agrees.

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I believe that Gruber sincerely does not remember making these remarks. Memory is fallible; at some point, Gruber probably changed his mind and forgot that he had ever believed otherwise. People show a strong tendency to edit their recollections of prior beliefs to reflect the “correct” answer, and even brilliant economists are not immune to this common cognitive bias.

But though I do not fault his honesty, I also think that in January 2012, Gruber did believe that premium tax credits would only be available on state-created exchanges, and that this would give states a strong incentive to create exchanges.

We can draw two conclusions from this: First, the reading of the law by Halbig’s plaintiffs is clearly not ridiculous or dishonest; if it is a mistake, it is a mistake that one of the law’s chief architects could make. And second, we should be very skeptical of people who are now telling us, four years later, what the legislative intent was. Memory really is extraordinarily unreliable, and as we see here, it’s very easy to forget what you believed even a couple of years ago. This is one reason that courts ignore post-facto statements about intent and concentrate on the legal text and the legislative history.

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Letter to the Honorable Darrell E. Issa Providing Additional Information About CBO’s Cost Estimate for H.R. 4872

December 6, 2012

This letter responds to Chairman Darrell E. Issa’s request for information about CBO’s March 20, 2010, cost estimate for H.R. 4872, the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, in combination with H.R. 3590, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Specifically, the chairman asked for a description and explanation of CBO’s assumption that the premium assistance tax credits established by that legislation would be available in every state, including states where the insurance exchanges would be established by the federal government.

To the best of our recollection, the possibility that those subsidies would only be available in states that created their own exchanges did not arise during the discussions CBO staff had with a wide range of Congressional staff when the legislation was being considered. Nor was the issue raised during consideration of earlier versions of the legislation in 2009 and 2010, when CBO had anticipated, in its analyses, that the credits would be available in every state. CBO’s analysts reviewed H.R. 4872 and H.R. 3590 to try to ensure that the agency’s estimate accurately reflected the legislative language, as they do for all legislation that they analyze, but that question did not arise in the course of that review, and CBO did not perform a separate legal analysis of that issue.

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Via the Corner.


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RATSO!!

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Ratso!

OmahaConservative on July 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM

blah…blah….

:)

Electrongod on July 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM

[nailed it... ;-) ]

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Fist?

Chuck Ef on July 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Rats …

Chuck Ef on July 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Happy Friday.

cat_owner on July 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM

[sets out "We Reserve The Right To Serve Whomever We Dang Well Please, DAMMIT!!" signage...activates wireless drink stations and drone delivery service...usual caveats apply...sends out first round of Whatchudrinkin's in Brand-Spankin'-New Double Whatchudrinkin' glasses...enters under "Friday Night Fights"...]

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Calling all Wenches, Rude Buffoons, loons and trolls…

OmahaConservative on July 25, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Ratso!
OmahaConservative on July 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM

:P

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:24 PM

[nailed it... ;-) ]

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM

:)

OmahaConservative on July 25, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Fist?

Chuck Ef on July 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM

fith.

:)

Electrongod on July 25, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Salmon burgers, baked potatoes and corn on the cob for dinner.

cat_owner on July 25, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Blah blah blah! It’s QOTD time!

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:25 PM

That’s awkward: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

libfreeordie on July 25, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Do you ever get tired of coming up with sh*t that you think is awkward but turns out to be… not awkward?

Judge_Dredd on July 25, 2014 at 8:28 PM

That’s awkward: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html
libfreeordie on July 25, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Never let a good crisis go to waste is not the motto of only American politicians.

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Fuck-O!

ShainS on July 25, 2014 at 8:31 PM

That’s awkward: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

libfreeordie on July 25, 2014 at 8:24 PM

And Obama is still Awesome..

Electrongod on July 25, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Rats …

Chuck Ef on July 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM

You forgot the ending: Rats-O!

ShainS on July 25, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Oh look, the black liberation theorist marxist morons have found each other, love at first sight.

BeachBum on July 25, 2014 at 8:32 PM

MacGruber!

22044 on July 25, 2014 at 8:33 PM

That’s awkward: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html
libfreeordie on July 25, 2014 at 8:24 PM

A Hamas *ahem!* rogue faction…as in “lone cell”…

Translation: *ahem!* Palestinians

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:34 PM

libfreeordie on July 25, 2014 at 8:24 PM

New York Mag???? Bwahahahahahahaha..snort..snort..bwahahahaha….might as well link to the KOS, you slimy, disgusting pervert.

bimmcorp on July 25, 2014 at 8:36 PM

ShainS on July 25, 2014 at 8:31 PM

How’d that get past the filter?

OmahaConservative on July 25, 2014 at 8:36 PM

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Lugosi never said “Blah! Blah! Blah!”…

still flagged…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:36 PM

[gets out Febreeze...Extra Strength...applies accordingly and according to package directions...]

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Oh look, the black liberation theorist marxist morons have found each other, love at first sight.
BeachBum on July 25, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Are you lost? Is the stormfront website down right now?

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:38 PM

How’d that get past the filter?

OmahaConservative on July 25, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Prayer?

bimmcorp on July 25, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Amos & Andy showed up, it looks like….

bimmcorp on July 25, 2014 at 8:39 PM

ShainS on July 25, 2014 at 8:31 PM

How’d that get past the filter?

OmahaConservative on July 25, 2014 at 8:36 PM

AnninCA’s brother.

RickB on July 25, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Good evening ladies and gentlemen.

crankyoldlady on July 25, 2014 at 8:41 PM

AnninCA’s brother.

RickB on July 25, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Heh. I’ll never forget that thread…

OmahaConservative on July 25, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Congress made subsidies available only through state exchanges as a means of coercing states into setting up exchanges.

In Senate Finance Committee deliberations on the ACA, Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), one of the bill’s primary authors, suggested the possibility of conditioning tax credits on state compliance because only by doing so could the federal government induce state cooperation with the ACA. Then the law’s insurance requirements could be imposed on states without running afoul of constitutional law precedents that prevent the federal government from commandeering state governments. The pertinent language originated in the committee and was clarified in the Senate.

Many of the PPACA’s drafters and supporters in Congress, for example, clearly endorsed the idea of withholding health-insurance subsidies if states refused to meet Congress’ demands, such as by failing to establish Exchanges. This group includes:

1. Senators Durbin, Begich, Bingaman, Burris, Casey, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, Kohl, Lieberman, Lincoln, Pryor, Shaheen, and Specter. Each of these “aye” votes on the PPACA also sponsored S. 979, the Small Business Health Options Program Act of 2009, which offered tax credits to small businesses only “in a State which . . . maintains a State-wide purchasing pool that provides purchasers in the small group market a choice of health benefit plans, with comparative information provided concerning such plans and the premiums charged for such plans made available through the Internet” (i.e., an Exchange).

2. Senators Dodd, Bingaman (again), Brown, Casey (again), Hagan, Harkin, Merkley, Mikulski, Murray, Reed, Sanders, and Whitehouse. Each of these “aye” votes on the PPACA also voted for the S.1679, the Affordable Health Choices Act (reported by the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee), which withheld health-insurance subsidies from a state’s residents for four years if the state failed to establish an Exchange, and permanently if the state failed to implement the bill’s employer mandate.

3. Senate Finance Committee chairman Max Baucus (D-MT), who (1) wrote the PPACA language restricting subsidies to state-established Exchanges and preserved it through multiple drafts, (2) introduced a Health Coverage Tax Credit in 2002 that uses similar eligibility rules and that the Congressional Research Service says “can be claimed for only 10 types of qualified health insurance…7 of which require state action to become effective”; and (3) also in 2009 floated proposals that (like S. 979) would have conditioned health-insurance tax credits on states enacting certain laws.

That’s 24 of the 60 senators who approved the PPACA. There is no evidence they changed their minds before casting their votes.

The record also shows some members initially opposed the PPACA because of this feature. In an aforementioned letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and President Obama, 11 Texas Democrats warned the PPACA allowed states to block their residents from receiving “any benefit” by refusing to establish an Exchange. Though they opposed this provision, when the PPACA became the only bill that could become law, all 11 of them grudgingly voted for it.

It Wasn’t A Typo: Congress Meant Exactly What They Wrote About Obamacare Subsidies…And Here’s Why

Resist We Much on July 25, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Amos & Andy showed up, it looks like….

bimmcorp on July 25, 2014 at 8:39 PM

More like Anus & Andy.

Judge_Dredd on July 25, 2014 at 8:42 PM

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Not lost, just commenting on how you and livelikeaperv have found each other. Birds of a feather and all. You however should be the one to Get Lost.

BeachBum on July 25, 2014 at 8:42 PM

thatsafactjack on July 25, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Just a lovely religion

gophergirl on July 25, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Are you lost? Is the stormfront website down right now?
coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Why don’t you go find out? Read the mission statement (hint: Click on “About Us”), too, while you’re at it…find out how much you both have in common…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Let’s take a step back to see how plausible that explanation is. There are two types of exchanges: state-established, and federally established. The statutory authority for state-based exchanges comes in section 1311 of Obamacare. The statutory authority for a federal exchange in the event that a state chose not to establish one comes from section 1321(c) of Obamacare. Right off the bat, we have two discrete sections pertaining to two discrete types of health exchange. Was that a “drafting error”?

Then we have the specific construction of section 1321(c), which allows for the creation of a federal exchange. Nowhere does this section say that an exchange created under its authority will have the same treatment as a state-based exchange created under section 1311. At no point does it say that section 1321 plans are equivalent. Why, it’s almost as though the exchanges and the plans offered by them were not intended to receive the same treatment. Was that another “drafting error”?

Most important, we have the sections of the law providing for tax credits to help offset the cost of Obamacare’s health care plans: sections 1401, 1402, 1411, 1412, 1413, 1414, and 1415. And how do those sections establish authority to provide those tax credits? Why, they specifically state ten separate times that tax credits are available to offset the costs of state health exchange plans authorized by section 1311. And how many times are section 1321 federal exchange plans mentioned? Zero. Was that yet another “drafting error”?

The specific phrase “established by the State under section 1311″ can be found twice in the tax credit title of Obamacare. The first instances relates to the size and the second to the scope of the tax credit subsidy. How many times is the phrase “established by the Federal government/Secretary under section 1321″ found? Zero. Was that also a “drafting error”?

The clear text of the law repeatedly demonstrates that plans purchased via federal exchanges were never meant to be treated the same as plans purchased by state-based exchanges. Despite its assertions, the IRS was never granted the statutory authority to hand out tax credits related to plans purchased via a federal health exchange.

All of that of course begs the question: if the law’s authors originally intended to constrain subsidies to state plans, what was the rationale for the IRS about-face in 2011? That’s actually an easy one to answer: the administration never imagined that so many states would refuse to establish Obamacare exchanges. The subsidies for state exchange plans were meant to be pot sweeteners—incentives for states to set up their own exchanges. If fines for mandate non-compliance were Obamacare’s stick, the subsidies for state exchange health plans were the carrot. To the law’s backers, that plan made sense: the White House didn’t really want to have to manage 51 separate exchanges. They wanted the states to do all the heavy lifting. Unfortunately, several dozen legislatures and governors had different plans.

So why did the IRS wait nearly 16 months to spring this new interpretation on the public? That’s also an easy one. As of August 17, 2011, when its rule was first proposed, only ten states had passed laws establishing their own exchanges. Seventeen had outright rejected the Obamacare exchanges. All told, 40 states had by that point failed to do the administration’s bidding and set up state-based Obamacare exchanges.

Without exchanges in every state, Obamacare would surely fail as a policy matter. And without massive subsidies to offset the costs of Obamacare’s health plans, Obamacare would fail as a political matter. The IRS maneuver was a last-ditch attempt to paper over the law’s serious structural flaws.

The Halbig case changed all that and ripped off the facade to expose a structure ready to collapse under its own weight. And it wasn’t due to a “drafting error,” the uninformed opinions of know-nothing bloviators who’ve spent exactly zero time drafting federal legislation notwithstanding.

Resist We Much on July 25, 2014 at 8:44 PM

More like Anus & Andy.

Judge_Dredd on July 25, 2014 at 8:42 PM

LOL

BeachBum on July 25, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Good evening ladies and gentlemen.
crankyoldlady on July 25, 2014 at 8:41 PM

I hope you felt better today, COL! Good to see you!

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Good evening, COL…Feeling better tonight??

bimmcorp on July 25, 2014 at 8:45 PM

What a bunch of clowns.

The notion of impeaching President Barack Obama got substantial attention Friday from two White House officials, who both said senior Republicans wanted to see it happen. But they couldn’t name any senior Republicans when pressed.

Further, White House press secretary Josh Earnest expressed doubt about whether House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) was sincere when he said impeachment is not on the table.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/25/white-house-republicans-may-push-to-impeach-obama-if-they-get-the-chance/

This article is currently the Drudge headline.

cat_owner on July 25, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Hey COL, feeling better?

OmahaConservative on July 25, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Blah blah blah, all liberals and progressives of all stripes must hang.

Slowly.

Diluculo on July 25, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Eid al-Fitr is Monday…I thought it was Sunday….well I was wrong.

Anywho….my dear Muslims friends will be at my home on sundown Monday and I wonder how many Muslim friends folks here have, including Libby.

It is a strange…..strange world we live in.

HonestLib on July 25, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Now that my previous post has cleared moderation:

Where is the left? Where are the cries of “War on Women!” Where is the outrage at these people being stripped of their human rights? Where are the civil rights activists? Where is the UN? Where are the ‘feminists’ demanding protection for these women and girls of Mosul?

Never again do I want to hear any leftist whining about a ‘war on women’ in this country. Never again do I want to hear a leftists complaining about civil rights or human rights. Never again will I listen to a ‘feminist’ rant about ‘equal rights for women’. Never again let me hear the left railing against Israel’s right to protect its citizens from these barbarians.

thatsafactjack on July 25, 2014 at 8:46 PM

More like Anus & Andy.

Judge_Dredd on July 25, 2014 at 8:42 PM

LOL

BeachBum on July 25, 2014 at 8:44 PM

I’ll bet I know which one is which, too!!! LOL

bimmcorp on July 25, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Resist We Much on July 25, 2014 at 8:44 PM

This link was posted on another thread, but I forget the poster’s name, RWM…you might be interested in it

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Blah blah blah, all liberals and progressives of all stripes must hang.

Slowly.

Diluculo on July 25, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Did you steal that line somewhat from Full Dinner Jacket?

Judge_Dredd on July 25, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Children swear allegiance to Caliphate

lineholder on July 25, 2014 at 8:47 PM

HonestLib on July 25, 2014 at 8:46 PM

*smoooooch!*

[say nothing...act casual...]

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Resist We Much on July 25, 2014 at 8:44 PM

This link was posted on another thread, but I forget the poster’s name, RWM…you might be interested in it

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:47 PM

She forgot my name, Sophie!!! No drinks for her :P *lifts bar keys*

Judge_Dredd on July 25, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:22 PM

I see you made it.:)

Barred on July 25, 2014 at 8:48 PM

gophergirl on July 25, 2014 at 8:42 PM

ISIS are barbarians and psychopaths. It’s easy to see why Israel must protect itself, being surrounded by nations devoted to Islam.

thatsafactjack on July 25, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Libby is fine with me and who is the poster CR?

HonestLib on July 25, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Not lost, just commenting on how you and livelikeaperv have found each other. Birds of a feather and all. You however should be the one to Get Lost.
BeachBum on July 25, 2014 at 8:42 PM

The past two weeks have been the best here. Do you know how much I have enjoyed all the comments from nice people coming up with new ways to round up all the Palestinians and exterminated them so israelis wont have to deal with Them anymore? let’s just say I give those hot air commenters A for creativity.

I am here o stay baby.

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Did you steal that line somewhat from Full Dinner Jacket?

Judge_Dredd on July 25, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Lol, no. It’s just a hook, dangling there in the water for progressive trolls to munch on. Little do they know it’s not only a treble hook with razor sharp points, it also is fitted with a small charge of C4 that’s hooked up to a tiny pressure sensitive switch.

So if they don’t want to hang, their heads will blow off when they complain.

Diluculo on July 25, 2014 at 8:50 PM

She forgot my name, Sophie!!! No drinks for her :P *lifts bar keys*
Judge_Dredd on July 25, 2014 at 8:48 PM

I believe it was from an article DavidK linked to, but my memory…you know…

[snatches back bar keys...lets Judge keep his set...]

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Eid al-Fitr is Monday…I thought it was Sunday….well I was wrong.

Anywho….my dear Muslims friends will be at my home on sundown Monday and I wonder how many Muslim friends folks here have, including Libby.

It is a strange…..strange world we live in.

HonestLib on July 25, 2014 at 8:46 PM

It will be a bloody cold day in hell before one of those vermin maggots darken my door, HL..That’s for sure.

I have 2 pigs in the yard, 2 in the freezer, 12 dogs, and a small arsenal of assault ducks and geese. They don’t care for Muslims any more than I do.

The only thing strange is that there are those who call themselves Americans, yet they allow those who would slit their throats into their homes. Fools.

bimmcorp on July 25, 2014 at 8:51 PM

*smoooooch!*

[say nothing...act casual...]

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:48 PM

If I ever deserved a good woman…I hope it would be you. Sadly. I don’t deserve a good chick like you!

HonestLib on July 25, 2014 at 8:51 PM

The past two weeks have been the best here. Do you know how much I have enjoyed all the comments from nice people coming up with new ways to round up all the Palestinians and exterminated them so israelis wont have to deal with Them anymore? let’s just say I give those hot air commenters A for creativity.
I am here o stay baby.
coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Pee. Off.

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM

This is awkward. Free wood

Judge_Dredd on July 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Blah blah blah, all liberals and progressives of all stripes must hang.
Slowly.
Diluculo on July 25, 2014 at 8:45 PM

So two black people say hi to each other and the first thing on your mind is “hang” slowly? Lol

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Mainstream-media outlets in the West love to run photographs of Palestinians, typically looking sympathetic in the ruins of bombed-out buildings. On the rare occasions when editors include photos of Israelis, the images bear a striking similarity to one another: All the people in them are white.

In reality, Israelis — including thousands of soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) — are not uniformly white or even Jewish. Consider the commander of the Golani Brigade, one of the country’s elite infantry units, currently fighting in Gaza as part of Operation Protective Edge. Colonel Rasan Alian is an Arab Druse who has served in the IDF for over two decades. Recently wounded in the eye and hospitalized, he returned to the front lines as quickly as he could to lead his men. In Alian’s own words, quoted in the Israeli press, “I want to go back to Gaza, and get to as many terrorists as possible.”

Do you find it intriguing that an Arab abhors Hamas and has spent 20 years of his life defending the Jewish state? Well, CNN doesn’t. Its investigative journalists prefer to malign Israelis as “scum.” Apparently Rasan Alian just isn’t a compelling story.

Or what about Chief Warrant Officer Baynesian Kasahun and Staff Sergeant Moshe Malko, two of the Israeli soldiers tragically killed in combat? They are both black. In fact, peruse the entire list of those who have given their lives to stop Hamas’s reign of terror. There is a lot of diversity there.

From all the photos in the New York Times over the past decade, you would never know that more than 125,000 Ethiopian Jews live in Israel, and many of them have served in the IDF. Or that, in addition to the Druse, large numbers of Bedouins volunteer to join the Israeli army, even though they are exempt from conscription. Or that Israel and the IDF boast Jews of Middle Eastern descent.

Instead, much of the Western media carefully “whitewashes” images from Israel to give the impression that Israelis are all of European heritage. Why? Because whitewashing fits the post-colonial narrative the Left applies to Israel. In that mindset, the Jewish state is the “colonizer/occupier,” and the Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank are the “natives.” If IDF soldiers have the same skin tone as British imperialists or Christopher Columbus, the template is that much easier to apply.

Whenever the global Left sees a white Israeli guarding a checkpoint in the West Bank or fighting in Gaza, it knows what moral categories to assign to Israel and Hamas. No matter how many rockets are launched or civilians murdered, the terrorists in Gaza are the freedom fighters and the Jews are the oppressors — just like the French in Algeria and the cowboys on the Great Plains. One suspects that whitewashing Israel helps some Westerners assuage their post-colonial guilt. By decrying the Jewish state, they expurgate the sins of their own ancestors and clean their moral slate.

But when you see blacks and whites, Jews and Arabs standing side by side against Hamas’s terrorism, it becomes difficult to call Israel a colonialist oppressor or an apartheid state. Instead, we see the reality of Israel’s existence: It is built on liberal values of tolerance anathema to its enemy.

I don’t mean to suggest that there is no friction or disparity between different ethnic groups in Israel. Israel is not a “post-racial nation” by any means, and outright discrimination certainly exists — as it does in many countries. Nor does the fact that the IDF boasts soldiers of every color relieve Israel of its obligation to fight morally — which it does, at much cost to its men and women in uniform. But seeing how our media twist themselves into a post-colonial pretzel only further highlights their consistent bias against the one democracy in the Middle East.

Resist We Much on July 25, 2014 at 8:53 PM

I love you, little comment box.

*smooch*

Axe on July 25, 2014 at 8:53 PM

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Heh. That’s why IDF set up a hospital to treat Palestinians in Gaza when Hamas won’t, isn’t it, CR?

lineholder on July 25, 2014 at 8:53 PM

I am here o stay baby.

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Hemorrhoids usually are…

bimmcorp on July 25, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Sadly. I don’t deserve a good chick like you!
HonestLib on July 25, 2014 at 8:51 PM

You’re sweet, you know that? ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Yeah! Urine off!

Judge_Dredd on July 25, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Just another day at the office:

Officials: 1 person killed, at least 5 wounded after shooting in Chicago’s West Side – @WGNNews

davidk on July 25, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Hans Gruber was the honest brother.

RickB on July 25, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Hemorrhoids usually are…
bimmcorp on July 25, 2014 at 8:53 PM

So’s herpes…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:54 PM

There’s talk of impeaching Obama on Capital Hill… but guess who’s doing the talking?

White House Warns Republicans May Push To Impeach Obama If They Get The Chance

Pretty big ‘if’ there. Gee… wonder why Obama would be putting this story around? Maybe… trying to ratchet up a little enthusiasm from his comatose base?

Give them more legal weed, Barry. That should help get them off the couch in November. lol!

thatsafactjack on July 25, 2014 at 8:54 PM

So two black people say hi to each other and the first thing on your mind is “hang” slowly? Lol

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM

I said liberals and progressives, I said nothing about black people you racist witch.

Diluculo on July 25, 2014 at 8:54 PM

FRIDAY!!!

I love you, Friday.

*smooch*

Axe on July 25, 2014 at 8:54 PM

libfreeordie on July 25, 2014 at 8:24 PM

International experts told her it was likely the work of a local group, acting without concern for the repercussions:

Lot of proof there….

Barred on July 25, 2014 at 8:54 PM

bimmcorp on July 25, 2014 at 8:51 PM

My hope is that we can disagree, but still be on the same side. Life is a tad more complicated then I even realize.

I wish nothing but the best for all folks and that includes you my same reading type of books friend.

HonestLib on July 25, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Do you know how much I have enjoyed all the comments from nice people coming up with new ways to round up all the Palestinians and exterminated them so israelis wont have to deal with Them anymore? let’s just say I give those hot air commenters A for creativity.
I am here o stay baby.

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:50 PM

And, what do you give these people?

Islamic Cleric In Qatar: Allah, Kill the Jews, Freeze The Blood in Their Veins…

Islamic Cleric In Syria Calls For Muslim Fighters To Wage Jihad Against “Brothers Of Apes And Pigs” In Gaza…


Leaflets Left On Cars In Chicago Threatening To Attack Jews Over Israel’s Gaza Offensive…

Resist We Much on July 25, 2014 at 8:55 PM

universal donors have typo.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on July 25, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Give them more legal weed, Barry. That should help get them off the couch in November. lol!

thatsafactjack on July 25, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Barry DESPERATELY wants the repubs to impeach him. It’s not going to happen though, no matter how much he eggs them on.

Maybe if he’d admit to a treasonous act and back it up with some documentation and good witnesses, I’d support it too. Than applaud at the execution.

Diluculo on July 25, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Geeze y’all slow down. I’m tryin’ to get some priming done.

cozmo on July 25, 2014 at 8:56 PM

*then

Diluculo on July 25, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Blah blah blah, all liberals and progressives of all stripes must hang.
Slowly.
Diluculo on July 25, 2014 at 8:45 PM

So two black people say hi to each other and the first thing on your mind is “hang” slowly? Lol

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Persecution complex, much.

RickB on July 25, 2014 at 8:57 PM

universal donors have typo.
ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on July 25, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Funny.

Still doesn’t mean you’ll be served here, though…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Persecution complex, much.
RickB on July 25, 2014 at 8:57 PM

The dog whistles are strong with dat one…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 8:58 PM

So two black people say hi to each other and the first thing on your mind is “hang” slowly? Lol

coolrepublica on July 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Works for me…

bimmcorp on July 25, 2014 at 8:58 PM

universal donors have typo.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on July 25, 2014 at 8:56 PM

KochForBrains said something funny. Ha ha funny too.

Judge_Dredd on July 25, 2014 at 8:58 PM

5 million previously insured that had policies cancelled was no big deal, so 5 million losing subsidies should be no big deal too, right commies?

can_con on July 25, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Obama drops to 39% and here are the trolls… with nothing to say.

Say, remember when Obama was riding high, especially in those heady ‘Messiah’ days after the first election when he was saying things like “I won.” when it was suggested maybe he should try to work with the GOP to craft some bipartisan legislation… on ObamaCare?

They had a lot to day in those days. Vitriol just dripping from their tongues.

All things change, and all things come to an end. Enjoy the ride.

thatsafactjack on July 25, 2014 at 8:59 PM

ISIS are barbarians and psychopaths. It’s easy to see why Israel must protect itself, being surrounded by nations devoted to Islam.

No, they’re filthy, frothing animals, who need to be wiped from the face of the earth. To ascribe human faults and frailties to them is too kind. They are not human.

TXUS on July 25, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Enjoy the ride.
thatsafactjack on July 25, 2014 at 8:59 PM

And no centripetal spin to halt the fall… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Axe on July 25, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Fine. Time to go to work.

thatsafactjack on July 25, 2014 at 9:02 PM

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