Luis Gutierrez: I think Obama’s executive amnesty could include three, four, maybe five million people

posted at 11:21 am on July 25, 2014 by Allahpundit

Overpromising? Not really. Obama himself allegedly threw around numbers in the millions when he spoke to immigration activists about this a few weeks ago.

Politico has a fine reminder today that everything he says, including what he says about his own presidential powers, can be trusted only up until the moment when the politics of the situation change and not a second longer.

President Barack Obama insisted for years that he had absolutely no legal authority — none whatsoever, zero, zilch — to slow deportations on a broad scale…

Obama’s pledge to use his executive powers by the end of the summer marked both a dramatic reversal in rhetoric and a major strategic shift on immigration. The president is no longer emphasizing his own powerlessness but rather his determination “to fix as much of our immigration system as I can on my own, without Congress.”…

Even immigrant rights advocates, who were on the receiving end of the White House denials for years, were surprised by his abrupt and enthusiastic move toward executive action in June after House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) ruled out a legislative overhaul of immigration this year. Activists had gotten so fed up in recent months that some tagged the president as the “deporter-in-chief” and demanded that he shift immediately from a legislative strategy to an administrative one.

“The way they talked about it was, ‘There’s nothing we can do, only Congress can solve it, we don’t have the authority,’” said Lorella Praeli, director of advocacy and policy for United We Dream. “That is very different from what they are saying today. It is completely different.”

So it is. Either he was lying all along, falsely claiming he believed his powers were modest in the name of enticing Republicans into an amnesty deal that would give the White House bipartisan cover, or he’s lying now but is determined to push ahead because he’s decided that the politics of a mass executive amnesty are a net positive for Democrats long-term. Watch the second clip below, from last November, when a heckler demanded that he use his executive authority to legalize the untold millions of adult illegals inside the U.S. I can’t, said O. We’re a nation of laws. We are?

The deeper mystery is why he thinks this is a political winner now for Democrats. The long-term game is obvious — pander to Latinos as much as possible — but the short-term angle is confounding, especially with anxiety about the border crisis high. Case in point:

According to the poll, 51% now say the government’s focus, when it comes to immigration policy, should be formulating a plan to stop the flow of undocumented immigrants. Forty-five percent say the top priority should be developing a plan that would allow undocumented immigrants who have jobs to become legal residents.

That’s a change from February, when Americans said 54%-41% that legal status trumped border security.

With public sentiment moving towards security and away from legalization, he’s going to drop an amnesty atomic bomb for millions of illegals right before the midterms? C’mon. Gutierrez gets asked about that in the first clip and doesn’t even contest that the politics are dodgy. His answer is that we can’t put politics above doing what’s right for migrants, which is precisely what you’d expect a guy whose only loyalty is to “the immigrant community” to say. But what about O? At a minimum, if he’s really thinking about bringing America’s refugee apparatus to Central America to make immigration faster and safer for child migrants, you’d think he’d want to hold off on any political sudden moves for illegals who are already here. Mickey Kaus argues, in fact, that Obama’s painted himself into a corner: If he goes big on executive amnesty now, he might doom red-state Democrats in November. If, despite his promises, he goes small, Gutierrez will be back on MSNBC the next day blubbering about Obama’s final betrayal or whatever. Kaus thinks O will have no choice but to take the medium approach, something short of the five million Gutierrez wants but with a promise to finish the job and amnestize the rest of the group next year when the politics aren’t quite so hot. Unless the White House has data suggesting that a big amnesty now will send turnout by Latino voters this fall skyrocketing, I don’t see how he can follow any other approach.



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Luis Gutierrez is a BFF of Paul Ryan, the next “severly Conservative”, ROFL

bluefox on July 25, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Gosh could it just be that they see resolving our immigration mess in a way that doesn’t involve treating poor peasants fleeing persecution, poverty, and disease as if they were subhuman garbage is both politically expedient and morally wise?

Tlaloc on July 25, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Yeah, right. They are bringing in all those illegals to replace their current voter base.

nobar on July 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM

I really would like that to happen. I’d like someone knowledgeable and wise to give a sensible, reasoned and logical alternative explanation to this admins actions.

hawkeye54 on July 25, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Gosh could it just be that they see resolving our immigration mess in a way that doesn’t involve treating poor peasants fleeing persecution, poverty, and disease as if they were subhuman garbage is both politically expedient and morally wise?

Tlaloc on July 25, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Illogical fail.

hawkeye54 on July 25, 2014 at 2:03 PM

I guess the last kid must have noticed.

formwiz on July 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM

s/b I guess the last kid must have left Seattle and some Lefty finally noticed.

(you guys need a delete and/or edit feature)

formwiz on July 25, 2014 at 2:13 PM

(you guys need a delete and/or edit feature)

formwiz on July 25, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Yes, I’ve found myself wishing for that on occasion. Usually just after I hit the Submit Comment button.

hawkeye54 on July 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM

OK, the messiah could grant a pardon to each illegal, but isn’t that pardon for prior acts? That illegal is still illegal and commits a new crime each day he/she is here.

jvermeer on July 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM

OK, the messiah could grant a pardon to each illegal, but isn’t that pardon for prior acts? That illegal is still illegal and commits a new crime each day he/she is here.

jvermeer on July 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM

The messiah can grant pardons to anyone for anything. He is the messiah after all. With him all things are possible.

/SNARK

hawkeye54 on July 25, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Gosh could it just be that they see resolving our immigration mess in a way that doesn’t involve treating poor peasants fleeing persecution, poverty, and disease as if they were subhuman garbage is both politically expedient and morally wise?

Seeing as how the conditions for the average Jose hasn’t changed for about 100 years, no that would not be the reason.

F X Muldoon on July 25, 2014 at 3:10 PM

The long-term game is obvious — pander to Latinos as much as possible — but the short-term angle is confounding,

Short term goals don’t matter, thousands of illegals will continue to cross the border at will and they’ll eventually receive amnesty and the thousands that cross after them will eventually receive amnesty and the thousands after them, you get the point. It’s no different from a politician trying to pack a court with judges favorable to their side, dems are packing the country with favorable voters to their side and it’ll pay off down the road.

clearbluesky on July 25, 2014 at 3:11 PM

The long-term game is obvious — pander to Latinos as much as possible — but the short-term angle is confounding,

Short term goals don’t matter, thousands of illegals will continue to cross the border at will and they’ll eventually receive amnesty and the thousands that cross after them will eventually receive amnesty and the thousands after them, you get the point. …

clearbluesky on July 25, 2014 at 3:11 PM

I think what they are up to is clear. GOP leaders operational position since the 2012 election is that they will benefit from “immigration reform” – which is code for manufacturing “Latino votes” by the millions.

They even joined forces with Schumer/Obama to champion “immigration reform” from the Senate floor and acted like euphoric pigs rolling in bipartisanship thinking their scheme was going to work.. until they had their a$$es handed to them.

But they continued to press the issue incessantly and from many directions – and continued to fail. But they are too corrupt to give up.

So right now, based upon their actions and known desires, GOP leaders have to believe that if Obama takes unconstitutional action to manufacture millions of “Latino votes”, they *still* get their share of the (illegally-created-but-who-cares-anymore) votes *and* get to pretend they are all righteously PO’d at the president for doing what they want done as much as he does.

To the GOP leadership, Obama going full tyrant on the issue is a win-win for them.

DrDeano on July 25, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Seeing as how the conditions for the average Jose hasn’t changed for about 100 years, no that would not be the reason.

F X Muldoon on July 25, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Yeah nothing has happened of any significance south of the rio grande in a century.

Do you guys ever plan to stop embodying ugly american stereotypes?

Tlaloc on July 25, 2014 at 4:59 PM

WHERE HAVE OUR TRUE LEADERS, MEN OF HONOR GONE????

What did Presidents Hoover, Truman, and Eisenhower have in common?

Back during the great depression, Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work.

Harry Truman deported over two million illegal aliens after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans.

In 1954 Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexicans. The program was called Operation Wetback. It was done so WWII and Korean War veterans would have a better chance at jobs. It took two years, but they deported them!

Now, if they could deport the illegal aliens back then, they could surely do it today. If you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.

Why, you might ask, can’t they do this today? Actually the answer is quite simple. Hoover , Truman, and Eisenhower were men of honor, not untrustworthy politicians looking for votes!

phoebe1 on July 25, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Have we given the Iraqui Christians refugee status yet? You know, actual refugees instead of people looking for their free stuff?

talkingpoints on July 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Luis Gutierrez: I think Obama’s executive amnesty could include three, four, maybe five million people

On the contrary Senor Gutierrez…

The surge of ILLEGAL aliens across our southern border is proving to the American people why we need to start enforcing our current laws against ILLEGAL immigration even more strictly ASAP.

Anybody who is in our country ILLEGALLY, no matter how long they have been here, need to be sent back to their home countries as quickly as possible.

wren on July 25, 2014 at 7:19 PM

Tlaloc on July 25, 2014 at 4:59 PM

I realize that being a “progressive” as you are, you are not familiar with history, but in Central America, poverty, disease, and oppression have been the norm for the average Jose since the Spanish hit the shores in the 16th century.

There is not a thing that has happened in the last week, month or year that has caused this sudden influx other than you and your pals offering handouts.

Do you guys ever plan to stop embodying ignorant “progressive” stereotypes?

F X Muldoon on July 25, 2014 at 8:42 PM

My argument that the United States of America would finally fail around 2022 do to fiscal limitation seems to have been very conservative. We may not get to 2016 without some kind of breakdown.

The sooner the better I say.

astonerii on July 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Is there anything else that needs to be said about you and what you want?
If this once great republic collapses and the rule of law is out the window I hope all the traitors are finally hunted down. If there is nothing left to piece back together, no judges, no law then thee will be no reason not to hunt down all the traitors who helped bring about an end to the American experiment.

There were at least three other times we had smaller discussions. Maybe you should get a notepad and write this down. If the Republican nominee is Romney, then astonerii and his extended family will be voting for Obama.
astonerii on February 6, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Me, I will convince my 28 member extended family to vote Obama and let the Democrats take the responsibility for the next four years.
You can b!tch and moan all you want about how unfair it is….
astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM

I can vote for Obama. This gives the most value. I am young enough to fight in a civil war today and a decade or so more, thus if I vote Obama, and he can bring the collapse of the American dollar and our economy faster than the R, my vote for him gives me value.
astonerii on June 17, 2011 at 8:47 PM

You are just a traitor, that’s all.

V7_Sport on July 25, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Alright, that’s enough. The White House is hiding behind the numbers. Obama has opened a sluice on the flood. Refugees who can be certified in Central America and brought to the United States. This is much less messy than the border flood. Luis is playing patty cake.

Esaus Message on July 26, 2014 at 9:27 AM

His answer is that we can’t put politics above doing what’s right for migrants, which is precisely what you’d expect a guy whose only loyalty is to “the immigrant community” to say.

Let’s see….the blacks have the NAACP, the CBC and the SPLC….Lations have Univision and La Raza…and congressman whose names end in a “Z” which alphabetically comes before…”A” now? So that makes even illegals just fine with them so long as they’re from the same tribe? I get it now. Borders and the law matter not to these bigots….and we’ll all wonder what’s going to happen when they get 30,000,000 more on the voter rolls?

So…who looks out for the rest of us? It sure isn’t Gutterez, Obama or Holder. is it?

FlaVet on July 26, 2014 at 6:28 PM

I humbly offer a slightly fictionalized variation, with heavy drinking, sodium pentathol-fuled truth-telling, and quotes by imaginary anonymous sources included, for a candid–and unfortunately, credible– alternative to the official White House version: http://wp.me/2K2y0

PunditFaP on July 26, 2014 at 6:32 PM

And the GOP will do nothing to stop it

Brock Robamney on July 27, 2014 at 8:42 AM

So tired of Luis whining about amnesty for the illegals. Has done nothing for Illinois problems and does not deserve another term.

Amazingoly on July 27, 2014 at 10:26 AM

May I interest Gruber in this fire extinguisher? No they were not speak-o. Now he’s a liar. Perdoname, Señor, sus pantalones son en fuego.

bour3 on July 27, 2014 at 12:10 PM

I’ve heard GOP supports claim this crisis started in 2012 with Dear Leaders pen. Politifact gives this claim a “mostly false” because according to the graphs, the problem began before he signed the amnesty in 2012.

I’ve heard Dem supports claim this crisis began in 2008 with a law that Bush signed. They had to blame it on Bush, it’s who they are.

For clarity sake I think it’s important to get the truth out there. This started in 2011 via executive fiat, his 2012 actions only poured fuel on the fire.

FAIR has a great timeline that proves that 2011 is when this crisis started, and proves it’s all the fault of the precious!

http://www.fairus.org/morton-memos

shanimal on July 27, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Ford pardon all the draft dodgers who fled to Canada. What is to stop Obama from pardoning all who crossed the border illegally? It would be an interesting legal question. They would still be here illegally, but they would have been pardoned of the crime of crossing the border. But crossing the border illegally isn’t so much a crime as a status of citizenship.
Wait until after the 2016 election for Obama to blanket pardon all who served in his administration.

yetanotherjohn on July 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM

I’ve got a question about Presidential pardons for all of the commenters here. Do pardons have to be for specific persons for specific crimes or can they encompass large groups without specifying who they are or the crimes they committed?

yesiamapirate on July 28, 2014 at 2:24 PM

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