Americans don’t want House Republicans to sue Obama over executive actions

posted at 12:41 pm on July 25, 2014 by Noah Rothman

A note of caution.

Republicans in Congress and in the commentariat are fed up with this White House failing to faithfully execute the law, as is its constitutional charge. Regarding this administration’s selective enforcement of the laws passed by Congress – ranging from DOMA to DACA, from recess appointments made while Congress was in session to the delayed and selective implementation of the Affordable Care Act – the GOP is foursquare behind a proposal to sue the president over his flagrant abuse of authority.

The public at large, however, is less than enthralled with the idea of suing President Obama. “Based on what you have read or heard, do you believe that the Republicans in the U.S. House should file a lawsuit against Obama, or don’t you feel that way?” CNN/ORC pollsters recently asked the public. 57 percent said that the GOP should not sue Obama while just 41 percent supported the lawsuit.

On its face, this makes little sense when compared to another finding in this poll: a plurality of Americans think Obama “has gone too far” in his effort to extend the powers of the presidency. 45 percent agree that Obama is expanding executive authority beyond its appropriate constitutional limits while just 22 percent say he has not gone “far enough.” Only self-identified liberals, Democrats, northeasterners, and urban residents disagree that the president has exceeded the boundaries placed on him by the Founders. Another 30 percent of respondents believe Obama’s actions are “about right.”

How do you square these two incongruous results? While a plurality may believe that Obama has exceeded his authority and should be reined in, the public may also think a lawsuit filed by already suspect congressional Republicans is the right instrument to accomplish that.

The public’s calculation may yet change, particularly if Obama moves forward with even more excessive executive actions. Time Magazine, for example, suggested on Thursday that Obama may be preparing to unilaterally implement part of the immigration reform bill, which passed the Senate in 2013 but failed in the House, and extend legal status to up to 8 million illegal U.S. residents. That remains an unlikely eventuality. Barring a similar abuse of power, the GOP has a lot of educating to do in order to convince the public that this lawsuit is appropriate.

And that education effort will be a titanic task.

Appearing on MSNBC with Chuck Todd on Friday for the first leg of an upcoming book tour cum anti-poverty push, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) was asked about only one other issue besides his Earned Income Tax Credit proposal: the House lawsuit.

“Is this a productive – a productive thing for House Republicans to be focused on in an election year?” an incredulous Todd asked.

“We can walk and chew gum at the same time,” Ryan replied. He conceded that the traditional vehicle to rein in the executive would be the power of the purse – a vehicle stuck in neutral while the Senate continues to shield the president from legislative checks. That is why, Ryan said, he will support the lawsuit.

The tone of Todd’s question is instructive. The press, the political entertainment complex, and the liberal establishment in general will frame this lawsuit as a waste of time at best or, at worst, an example of Obama’s persecution at the hands of deranged Republicans. There are precious few examples in the recent past of instances when the GOP was able to speak over the heads of the media and convince an already skeptical public that their course of action is the correct one.

It seems possible, given the general mistrust in the president, that a narrow majority could be convinced that the House lawsuit is necessary. The Republicans, however, will have to stop acting coy and self-conscious about it and make that case. All the while, they will not be talking about economic opportunity, Obamacare, the nightmare on the southern border, or the president’s inattention to crises overseas. Democrats, meanwhile, would like nothing more than to contend that they are dealing with a myopic opposition party which is far more focused on scoring political points against Obama than the concerns of the public.

Republicans may believe that a principle is at stake and preserving the Constitution’s separation of powers though the courts is worth taking a hit in the polls. In an election year, that is a risky proposition and the pursuit of principle could mean the difference between emboldening or neutering the Obama presidency in its final years.


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Bullshit

katy the mean old lady on July 25, 2014 at 12:43 PM

What are the metrics of this poll?

MikeinPRCA on July 25, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Pfeifer concerned, or Nov. election ploy

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2014 at 12:45 PM

I’d like to see a poll asking Americans if they favor tar and feathering Obama for each of his illegal executive actions.

ConstantineXI on July 25, 2014 at 12:45 PM

And that education effort will be a titanic task.

Yes it will..:)

Dire Straits on July 25, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Let us know when CNN/ORC publish their polling internals, including their poll sample weighting.

Del Dolemonte on July 25, 2014 at 12:46 PM

“Based on what you have read or heard, do you believe that the Republicans in the U.S. House should file a lawsuit against Obama, or don’t you feel that way?” CNN/ORC pollsters recently asked the public.

Translation: We have been hammering the GOP for two weeks over this issue. How are we doing?

DanMan on July 25, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Take the Senate first. Make plans later.

abobo on July 25, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Barring a similar abuse of power, the GOP has a lot of educating to do in order to convince the public that this lawsuit is appropriate.

And that education effort will be a titanic task.

Its not a matter of education.

Its a matter of trust.

The GOP has shown it cannot be trusted to do anything effective. If they support this lawsuit, it is in all likelihood pointless, because the GOP doesn’t do ANYTHING but pointless gestures.

They have the power of the purse and they have the power of impeachment and they instead choose a lawsuit designed to fail.

That’s how you square those two incongruous results.

sharrukin on July 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Leadership by polls is for scumbag scoundrels that should never have been put into leadership positions by the mob known as “the public” to begin with.

I wipe my arse with your poll results.

M240H on July 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM

The tone of Todd’s question is instructive. The press, the political entertainment complex, and the liberal establishment in general will frame this lawsuit as a waste of time at best or, at worst, an example of Obama’s persecution at the hands of deranged Republicans. There are precious few examples in the recent past of instances when the GOP was able to speak over the heads of the media and convince an already skeptical public that their course of action is the correct one.

Is that really a reflection on the GOP’s inability or is it a far stronger reflection of the media bias, corruption, and complete lack of ethical behavior – all of which are clearly evident within NBC / MSNBC hack Chuck Todd?

Perhaps more attention should be directed towards the Administration’s Ministry of Truth, the established Fourth Estate – the mainstream media.

Clearly the GOP Congressional leadership is more than inept and unwilling to effectively communicate and engage the people with a cogent and valid argument / vision – let alone challenge the media they are so obviously afraid of. But with that, one can do a better service by not going after the victim, but taking the proper target to task.

Athos on July 25, 2014 at 12:52 PM

“Based on what you have read or heard, do you believe that the Republicans in the U.S. House should file a lawsuit against Obama, or don’t you feel that way?”

“Based on what you have heard…” This invalidates the poll completely.

BobMbx on July 25, 2014 at 12:52 PM

There are precious few examples in the recent past of instances when the GOP was able to speak over the heads of the media and convince an already skeptical public that their course of action is the correct one.


Once upon a time
… the idea was you did the RIGHT thing regardless of whether it was POPULAR or not.

When the Senate Watergate Committee started hearings – there was no popular support for their actions and the bulk of the media referred to their effort as a “partisan political effort”.

Reposted for the edification of the COWARDS:

You know what would be REALLY refreshing, Noah?

If you had ANY referential knowledge BEFORE you started banging the keys on ANY given topic.

Let’s reach into HISTORY (you know, the stuff that happened Before YOU were able read) and see what public opinion was on impeaching Richard Nixon in May of 1974

In early May 1974, just three months before his resignation, 49% told Gallup interviewers that the President’s actions were not serious enough “to warrant his being impeached and removed from the Presidency.”

Even near the end of Watergate, much of the public continued to show sympathy for the beleaguered President and a real reluctance to accept a forced resignation. 55% of respondents in a Harris poll of July 17 – 21, 1974 agreed that Nixon “is trying to do his best in an almost impossible job”.

And in another Harris poll completed just one week before Nixon resigned, only 47% thought Nixon would ultimately be impeached and removed from office, while 40% thought that would not happen.

Using the logic of your headline, and more importantly, of the corrupt political elites in Washington, D.C. …

… Richard Nixon should NEVER have been held to account for HIS crimes.

You’ll understand if people with a brain decide your jejune take on the situation is actually LESS than worthless, won’t you?

PolAgnostic on July 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM

..it’s o.k. to read this post, fellow Hot Gassers. Rothman’s edited and spell-checked it.

The War Planner on July 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Maybe it’s because they think suing him will be a waste of time and will not stop Obama?

portlandon on July 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Well, I’m one of those who don’t want King Putt sued.
I want him impeached and he and all of his cronies put on trial for treason, convicted, and appropriately sentenced.

dentarthurdent on July 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM

In an election year, that is a risky proposition and the pursuit of principle could mean the difference between emboldening or neutering the Obama presidency in its final years.

Wait, huh? The whole point to the argument is that Obama is exceeding his authority. He’s issuing powerful, unconstitutional EOs. If the GOP wins the Senate, that isn’t going to change. And a decrease in popularity isn’t going to stop him either. What, you think he’s going to go, “Oh, dear, I’m no longer popular. I better stop.” Bull. He doesn’t have to Run again.

DisneyFan on July 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Boehner is the worst Speaker of the House ever and a really good example of the kind of government we’re going to have if the Chamber of Commerce and the establishment get their way in November.

THe HOUSE as the power of the PURSE, what are they doing with it? I see Obama spending money like crazy, and it’s all money when they set up camps to house children, bus them around, feed them, clothe them. Where is Obama getting that money? Now he’s talking about sending plans to Latin America and putting the kids on and flying them here. That costs money, where is he getting the money? Can this President now appropriate by executive order? I believe BOehner has to be letting him do this because I haven’t seen a formal request for money for all of this, even an emergency funding request.

If the Republicans can’t govern, maybe now is the time for a 3rd party. They have done nothing,and I mean nothing, to show me their capable of leading on anything. They refuse to set forth policy choices for the people, they refuse to control spending, and they’re attack people who want to do these things. It seems we have 2 parties in this country, the establishment and the tea party.

bflat879 on July 25, 2014 at 12:57 PM

I’d like to see a poll asking Americans if they favor tar and feathering Obama for each of his illegal executive actions.

ConstantineXI on July 25, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Tar will not stick to Teflon.

Rix on July 25, 2014 at 12:58 PM

It seems possible, given the general mistrust in the president, that a narrow majority could be convinced that the House lawsuit is necessary. The Republicans, however, will have to stop acting coy and self-conscious about it and make that case.

there is so much wrong with the “analysis” you bring Noah (it being sophomoric and shallow at best is just the start), but this is just silly.

The GOP cares little about explaining its lawsuit. The sole purpose of the lawsuit is to appease gullible conservatives that the GOP is “doing something” about Obama’s tyrannical assault on the constitution, while still actually doing nothing.

So, the idea that the GOP will be out there vigorously “explaining this” lawsuit is ludicrous. The GOP will now ignore it for the most part having achieved its goal of appeasing some conservatives into believing that the GOP is anything other than a subsidiary of the DNC/Left.

Plus, anyone with any actual real-world knowledge knows that litigation isn’t like politics where it is front-page every day. You file the lawsuit, it makes some press. then it goes silent while things happen in the lawsuit. 6 months or 2 years later (depending on the lawsuit) a motion is made and argued. At that date, it again makes the press of a day or two. then it goes silent again. then, 3 months or a year later (depending on the Court) a decision is issued. then there is press again for a day or two. Then, an appeal is filed. Again, press for maybe a day. then oral argument 3 – 6 months later, again press for a day or two. then 3 – 6 months later, a decision. So, at best, the litigation is in the news maybe a total of 15 days spread out over 2 years.

also, for people who have some real-world understanding of how litigation works, the house GOP members are not going to be personally working on the litigation. Hired lawyers will be doing that. So, the idea that Boehner, Paul, or any other GOP incumbent is going to be “doing anything” or spending any real time working on this litigation is farcical.

so, here are some issues for you to consider Noah – 1) how much time is the GOP really going to be forced to spend on this in the media? Very little. How much time is the GOP going to voluntarily spend on this in the media? Almost none (again, merely filing the lawsuit achieved its sole objective, appease gullible conservatives).

2) How much actual time are house members going to spend working on the litigation? Almost zero.

so, at the end of the day how much will the public really care about this lawsuit? Zero. How many votes will the lawsuit sway? A few – but only conservatives who were considering not voting fro the GOP. It won’t make any LIVs choose to vote against the GOP (imagine it: “I was going to vote GOP, but then they sued Obama over executive overreach and I realized I couldn’t vote for a party that did that”). so, even raising this question as if it is s serious question is laughable.

It is like I am dealing with people who have the IQ of butter here.

Monkeytoe on July 25, 2014 at 12:58 PM

What, you think he’s going to go, “Oh, dear, I’m no longer popular. I better stop.” Bull. He doesn’t have to Run again.

DisneyFan on July 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Ya – he got him lots o dat flexibility now….

dentarthurdent on July 25, 2014 at 12:58 PM

OT:

Memo to all Leftists:

Michell O. wants BIG FAT CHECKS.

pay up Dirtbags. You have to Feed the Beast.

ToddPA on July 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM

THE PROBLEM with this lawsuit is that it wasn’t filed within 24 hours of being announced.

THE VALUE of the lawsuit is the shock value of the charges and the creation of election talking points for Republican candidates.

By announcing the suit and giving the commentariat a couple of months to shoot at it, by not having Republican votes lined up to pass enabling legislation immediately, by dithering with process and half-assed explanations, the Republicans have blown the opportunity to create a big impact and force the media to talk about the lawsuit.

Instead the lawsuit has already been dismissed as partisan politics as usual. I have wanted the Republicans to sue for 3 years, but I’m less than impressed by this effort.

pilsener on July 25, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Let’s see what they say after Obama promulgates an amnesty.

I still want to know how soccer moms and single moms react when the schools of their little darlings are getting overrun.

BuckeyeSam on July 25, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Suing the president shouldn’t be the focus. Winning this November should be.

A lawsuit will not favor the GOP in the media, so why back themselves into a corner. Focus on the elections so that as Obama continues to spiral downward the GOP is in a much better position in 2014 and 2016.

comet on July 25, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Michell O. wants BIG FAT CHECKS.
pay up Dirtbags. You have to Feed the Beast.

ToddPA on July 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM

She was misquoted – she really wants big fat CHICKS.

dentarthurdent on July 25, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Based on what you have read or heard, do you believe that the Republicans in the U.S. House should file a lawsuit against Obama, or don’t you feel that way?” CNN/ORC pollsters recently asked the public. 57 percent said that the GOP should not sue Obama while just 41 percent supported the lawsuit.

Horrible question, terrible wording. It’s all about the wording. If they ‘heard’ that these nasty Republicans are just doing this out of spite because they hate children or don’t want people to get healthcare, this is how they would answer that question. What if they were asked these three questions:

1) If the President does not enforce a law passed by Congress, do you believe that the U.S. House should file a lawsuit against the President, or don’t you feel that way?

2) If President Bush was not enforcing the law on [insert issue here], do you believe that the Democrats in the U.S. House should file a lawsuit against Bush, or don’t you feel that way?

3) If President Obama was not enforcing the law on [insert issue here], do you believe that the Republicans in the U.S. House should file a lawsuit against Obama, or don’t you feel that way?

Poll designed for a specific outcome.

Patriot Vet on July 25, 2014 at 1:01 PM

https://twitter.com/frankthorpNBC

Frank Thorp V @frankthorpNBC · 23h

House Rules Cmte adopted an amend. to Obama lawsuit bill that would require quarterly reports on the cost of lawsuit:

http://rules.house.gov/sites/republicans.rules.house.gov/files/113-2/AMNTS/BILLS-113-HRes676-N000185-Amnt-1.pdf

canopfor on July 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM

A lawsuit is pointless and will likely fail in the end anyway.

If the (R)’s in the House want to actually provide some form of opposition (for once), they need to start playing hardball.

Defund Obama’s thug agencies. Make document inquiries until their eyes bleed and they have no time for anything else. Ensure every single request for more funding is dead on arrival, then turn around and cut their funding to the bone.

There are a LOT of ways the House can exercise it’s power and get Obama and his Regime to change their tunes. The problem is the (R)”Leadership” in the House WON’T DO ANY OF THEM.

Meople on July 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM

You notice the Dems never cared about polls when they were against them. They just forged ahead and now look at all the polls they have reversed, like gay marriage.

A confident argument can change peoples minds if you are a strong leader and never give up. Of course having political common sense counts, but so does standing your ground. The Republicans need to stand with the constitution no matter what, no matter the polls, no matter the circumstances, because without that document we don’t have a country anymore and everything else is irrelevant.

An example is look at the polling on gun control, every poll after Sandy Hook said Americans want more gun control, but the NRA and 2nd amendment supporters stood strong and are now winning the argument and election results have proved that.

The President is violating the Constitution and the GOP needs to beat that drum everyday, sue Obama, and in general make asses of themselves on this issue until the public is forced to pay attention.

William Eaton on July 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM

If the Republicans can’t govern, maybe now is the time for a 3rd party. They have done nothing,and I mean nothing, to show me their capable of leading on anything.

bflat879 on July 25, 2014 at 12:57 PM

You are missing the point entirely. Your premise is that the GOP opposes anything the DNC does or did and therefore the GOP is failing because it hasn’t accomplished anything in opposing the left. That is not true. the GOP does not oppose the left or big gov’t. The GOP pretends to oppose those things, but the GOP is just as big-gov’t as the DNC.

so, from the GOP’s perspective, Boehner has been a great speaker. The GOP has a majority in the house and hasn’t reduced spending or cut gov’t. that is 100% success as far as the GOP is concerned. the GOP is in control of the house and hasn’t really done anything with any investigation (Benghazi, IRS, Fast and Furious). Again, that is exactly what they want.

It is conservatives who are the fools, giving money and votes to the GOP or any GOP candidate.

Monkeytoe on July 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM

“Today, a wide, vast, and diverse group of Americans (who, coincidentally, all happen to work at CNN) were polled on a brace of questions about the GOP’s suit of the President. Their answers might shock you (if your an idiot, or in the GOP).”

squint on July 25, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Maybe it’s because they think suing him will be a waste of time and will not stop Obama?

portlandon on July 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM

I actually think it is far worse than a waste of time.
I actually think it is the Republican party in league with Obama to catapult the Presidency into a monarchy with near absolute decree making powers.
Once the courts find that nothing can be done, or even worse, that Obama did nothing wrong, then there effectively becomes no check or balance to the power of the presidency. It effectively turns the United States into Venezuela.

astonerii on July 25, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Just last week there was a poll showing 40% of the US populace wanted obama impeached.

…so 40% just want him thrown out and 41% want him sued and then put in jail. Not bad.

Megyn Kellys Lipstick on July 25, 2014 at 1:04 PM

A lawsuit is pointless and will likely fail in the end anyway.

If the (R)’s in the House want to actually provide some form of opposition (for once), they need to start playing hardball.

Defund Obama’s thug agencies. Make document inquiries until their eyes bleed and they have no time for anything else. Ensure every single request for more funding is dead on arrival, then turn around and cut their funding to the bone.

There are a LOT of ways the House can exercise it’s power and get Obama and his Regime to change their tunes. The problem is the (R)”Leadership” in the House WON’T DO ANY OF THEM.

Meople on July 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM

THIS…X 10,000.

We need strong leadership…confident people running this party.

William Eaton on July 25, 2014 at 1:04 PM

I’m against a lawsuit as well.

A lawsuit between the legislative and executive branches is unconstitutional.

The remedy the Constitution provides for an out-of-control executive branch is I-M-P-E-A-C-H-M-E-N-T.

Get it?

Boehner is being just as unconstitutional by going around the express remedy given in the Constitution for the House to stop the executive branch by making up a lawsuit, as Obama is by legislating from the executive branch.

If the Speaker of the House is upset with the administration, HE MUST DRAW UP ARTICLES OF I-M-P-E-A-C-H-M-E-N-T.

hrh40 on July 25, 2014 at 1:04 PM

OT:

Memo to all Leftists:

Michell O. wants BIG FAT CHECKS.

pay up Dirtbags. You have to Feed the Beast.

ToddPA on July 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM

The fat jaws cow want genetically modified food for kids, hiding labels, while asking others to spend way more dough on detailed non-Monsanto labels…while she stuffs her deep pockets.

One can’t make this up in fiction, the best and worst of it.

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Yeah, let’s toss out the whole constitutional separation of powers because of a CNN poll. Dude, grow a pair.

Mark1971 on July 25, 2014 at 1:06 PM

The fat jaws cow want(s) genetically modified food for kids

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2014 at 1:07 PM

I always let CNN/ORC polls decide my actions. Don’t all Republicans?

applebutter on July 25, 2014 at 1:07 PM

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller

Top Obama Aide: I ‘Would Not Discount’ Impeachment

Zeke J Miller @ZekeJMiller

10:19 AM ET
***********

House Speaker John Boehner’s lawsuit against the president has “opened the door to Republicans possibly considering impeachment at some in the future,” says Dan Pfeiffer

http://time.com/3033863/impeach-obama-dan-pfeiffer/

canopfor on July 25, 2014 at 1:08 PM

What a dumb thing to ask in a poll. No one cares. It won’t affect the election at all. Nada. Zero.

And this post needs an editor. It could have been lots shorter.

MTF on July 25, 2014 at 1:09 PM

https://twitter.com/ChadPergram

Chad Pergram @ChadPergram · 31m

House Rules Cmte plans mtg to prep Obama lawsuit resolution for floor next Tues. Resolution ould be on flr Wed.

canopfor on July 25, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Republicans may believe that a principle is at stake and preserving the Constitution’s separation of powers though the courts is worth taking a hit in the polls. In an election year, that is a risky proposition and the pursuit of principle could mean the difference between emboldening or neutering the Obama presidency in its final years

No this won’t affect enough votes to matter.

CW on July 25, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Frankly I am for all of it…

(1) Defunding parts of the executive branch (Like the IRS)
(2) Lawsuits
(3) Impeach Holder and some of Obama’s henchmen
(4) Protests, like walking out of the State of Union Speech, etc.

Anything to draw attention to Obama’s desire to destroy the constitution.

William Eaton on July 25, 2014 at 1:11 PM

How do you square these two incongruous results?

Simple. Because sensible people who understand the Constitution and how the American federal government is supposed to work think that the lawsuit is ridiculous and insane. Barky deserves impeachment – and then criminal prosecution – not having the House run to the courts and try to hand even more authority over to that bunch of fetid worms who think that they are charged to run everything in this nation from their courtrooms.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 25, 2014 at 1:12 PM

You notice the Dems never cared about polls when they were against them. They just forged ahead and now look at all the polls they have reversed, like gay marriage.

A confident argument can change peoples minds if you are a strong leader and never give up. Of course having political common sense counts, but so does standing your ground. The Republicans need to stand with the constitution no matter what, no matter the polls, no matter the circumstances, because without that document we don’t have a country anymore and everything else is irrelevant.

An example is look at the polling on gun control, every poll after Sandy Hook said Americans want more gun control, but the NRA and 2nd amendment supporters stood strong and are now winning the argument and election results have proved that.

The President is violating the Constitution and the GOP needs to beat that drum everyday, sue Obama, and in general make asses of themselves on this issue until the public is forced to pay attention.

William Eaton on July 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM

This.

Remember both Iraq wars were supported in the polls too. Things do change.

I will not live by the polls.

CW on July 25, 2014 at 1:13 PM

The GOP didn’t really plan on doing anything about Dog Eater, their threats are empty and there is always an excuse to run away.

Bishop on July 25, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Republicans may believe that a principle is at stake and preserving the Constitution’s separation of powers though the courts is worth taking a hit in the polls.

ROFLMAO!

Now, THAT is funny!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 25, 2014 at 1:13 PM

There isn’t any downside to this lawsuit. It will be done by lawyers behind the scenes, not in front of the cameras where Republicans are an easy target for blame. Who cares if Obama is out of office either. It’s about executive over-reach by any future President too.

Norbitz on July 25, 2014 at 1:14 PM

hrh40 on July 25, 2014 at 1:04 PM

They don’t have to impeach. All they have to do is actually USE the power their majority in the House affords them over the executive branch.

There is plenty of REAL PAIN the (R)’s in the House can inflict on every one of Obama’s agencies. Pain that will not only get their attention but will dictate their behavior.

They refuse to USE IT.

You think if the roles were reversed and the (D)’s were in control of the House, you think they wouldn’t be re-writing the BOOK on new and unusual ways to inflict pain on the Executive? Please.

Meople on July 25, 2014 at 1:14 PM

In fact defunding the IRS will be very popular. No one likes them, and the public is too stupid to understand where the free stuff comes from…so it is a win-win…

William Eaton on July 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM

..it’s o.k. to read this post, fellow Hot Gassers. Rothman’s edited and spell-checked it.

The War Planner on July 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM

The War Planner: Gawd, sooooooooooooo much whinning:)

canopfor on July 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM

39%, still 20 points too high.

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Frankly I am for all of it…

(1) Defunding parts of the executive branch (Like the IRS)
(2) Lawsuits
(3) Impeach Holder and some of Obama’s henchmen
(4) Protests, like walking out of the State of Union Speech, etc.

Anything to draw attention to Obama’s desire to destroy the constitution.

William Eaton on July 25, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Yep. The Left uses every method it can to go after the right. It’s about time the Right started doing the same.

DisneyFan on July 25, 2014 at 1:17 PM

It’s about executive over-reach by any future President too.

Norbitz on July 25, 2014 at 1:14 PM

It asks for judicial overreach (which is really not the sort of thing you want to encourage further) in order to rein in executive overreach. You really think that is a reasonable course of action?

Impeachment is the way insane, out-of-control, third-world, 84 IQ, dog-eating America-haters in the Oval Office are handled – and then criminal prosecution. Not some idiotic lawsuit by a bunch of crybabies in the House who are too scared (and/or too traitorous) to do their friggin jobs.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 25, 2014 at 1:17 PM

There isn’t any downside to this lawsuit. It will be done by lawyers behind the scenes, not in front of the cameras where Republicans are an easy target for blame.

Cowardice is not a virtue, nor will voters have any great respect for it.

Who cares if Obama is out of office either. It’s about executive over-reach by any future President too.

Norbitz on July 25, 2014 at 1:14 PM

The judiciary shouldn’t be dictating these things either. They are also out of control. This is the job of Congress and they aren’t doing it.

sharrukin on July 25, 2014 at 1:19 PM

House Speaker John Boehner’s lawsuit against the president has “opened the door to Republicans possibly considering impeachment at some in the future,” says Dan Pfeiffer

http://time.com/3033863/impeach-obama-dan-pfeiffer/

canopfor on July 25, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Yeah, I call BS. The failure of the lawsuit will squish any impeachment. If anything, the lawsuit is to ensure that Obama becomes unimpeachable.

astonerii on July 25, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Knock, knock.

Who’s there?

Peach.

Peach, who?

Impeach.

:-)

Well, I’m one of those who don’t want King Putt sued.

I want him impeached and he and all of his cronies put on trial for treason, convicted, and appropriately sentenced.

dentarthurdent on July 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Yup. The Dems have already stacked the courts in advance, while the Republicans acquiesced, reached across the aisle and prayed they wouldn’t get called “racists.”

Fallon on July 25, 2014 at 1:19 PM

You know, it would be nice, on a lark, not to have complete d!ckless cowards running our side of the aisle. Oh! Just once!

squint on July 25, 2014 at 1:20 PM

They don’t have to impeach. All they have to do is actually USE the power their majority in the House affords them over the executive branch.

There is plenty of REAL PAIN the (R)’s in the House can inflict on every one of Obama’s agencies. Pain that will not only get their attention but will dictate their behavior.

They refuse to USE IT.

Meople on July 25, 2014 at 1:14 PM

That’s very true. The House has rolled over and died in order to grant Barky and the dems every cent they ever wanted and every debt-limit raise (without getting anything in return) to continue on with the thrashing and killing of America (finally done, sadly). They have never used the leverage of the House, at all, for anything.

But, they are still OBLIGATED to impeach and out-of-control Precedent who thinks he is the reincarnation of Sukarno. OBLIGATED.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 25, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Republicans may believe that a principle is at stake and preserving the Constitution’s separation of powers though the courts is worth taking a hit in the polls.

How twisted can it get? Preserving the separation of powers by the legislative branch going to the judicial branch to sue the executive branch. Filing a lawsuit with no remedy. A lawsuit whose result the executive can ignore just as he ignores other legal decisions or laws he doesn’t like.

All while bottle-tan Boehner and his band of fools ignore the remedy actually set out in the Constitution…

All D.C. sporting events have been cancelled until further notice… there aren’t any balls left in Washington.

IndieDogg on July 25, 2014 at 1:20 PM

I always let CNN/ORC polls decide my actions. Don’t all Republicans?

applebutter on July 25, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Sorry. I didn’t get that email. My hard drive crashed! /

Turtle317 on July 25, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Not everything under the sun should be based on f***ing polls… There is always an elections in the US, every two years, if everything should be based on what a majority of morons want then we will be in much troubles than what we already are…

PS: As long as we keep the House the Obama presidency is crippled… The Senate is meaningless… You say judges, I say that there are very few judges who go rejected by the Senate regardless of which party is in control…

mnjg on July 25, 2014 at 1:23 PM

THIS is just a taste of exactly what the (R)’s in the House should be doing. Here is an excerpt:

Congress should be devouring the bandwidth of the targeted agencies. Flooding the zone with requests, constant depositions of senior leaders, a constant legal barrage of inquiry for every email, every piece of paper, everything, all the time. Who cares if we use it? Torture them every minute of the day and force them to live in fear of contempt charges. Make their execs lawyer up, and dig dig dig at every inconsistency.

Second, the power of the purse is entirely underutilized, and Congress as a rule has no creativity. Don’t cooperate? Zero out every executive bonus in the agency for a decade. Don’t cooperate? No more conferences, training seminars, trips. Don’t cooperate? No more drivers for senior execs. Don’t cooperate? Every construction project for every building your agency wants is zeroed. Don’t cooperate? We’re relocating 98% of your manpower to Omaha. Don’t cooperate? Zero out the public affairs budget. Don’t cooperate? Every program with ‘green’ ‘affirmative’ ‘equal opportunity’ ‘LGBT’ ‘diversity’ or ‘awareness’ is zeroed out.

Sure, it sounds petty, but the agency people we’re talking about are the most parochial, small-minded bureaucratic weasels, and their perks and powers are all they care about. All it takes is a more bloody-minded approach.

Many of you may have seen this before as it is a couple of weeks old, but this is EXACTLY what the (R)’s in the House could and SHOULD be doing.

Meople on July 25, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Its not a matter of education.

Its a matter of trust.

The GOP has shown it cannot be trusted to do anything effective. If they support this lawsuit, it is in all likelihood pointless, because the GOP doesn’t do ANYTHING but pointless gestures.

They have the power of the purse and they have the power of impeachment and they instead choose a lawsuit designed to fail.

That’s how you square those two incongruous results.

sharrukin on July 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Agreed. I would say that at this point we need a complete overhaul of the GOP leadership, Cantor has already been removed and now it’s time to get rid of Mitch and Boehner – plus probably their seconds as well.

The GOP needs to commit to showing it is different from the Administration and the Democrats if it really cares about the future of its party…

Ukiah on July 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM

If MOST Americans decided to jump off a bridge would you follow them??? Who cares what “most” Americans want? “Most” Americans elected this crook.

RedManBlueState on July 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Sue him. Remember, they elected this charlatan twice so their judgement is without value.

rplat on July 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM

I agree with Turley on this.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/25/liberal-law-professor-jonathan-turley-thinks-congress-could-win-their-new-lawsuit-against-obama/

DisneyFan on July 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Yes, they should.

CW on July 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM

The GOP needs to commit to showing it is different from the Administration and the Democrats if it really cares about the future of its party…

Ukiah on July 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM

They only care about their own future at the public trough.

sharrukin on July 25, 2014 at 1:29 PM

What would you EXPECT from an CNN poll?

This story starts out like this: “A note of caution.”

Are you F’n kidding me??

House Republicans aren’t going to do their job because CNN does a poll … that says its bad politics???

RedManBlueState on July 25, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Most Americans are clueless as to who Joe Biden is.

70% are for the death penalty.

The majority are against obama’care’.

Win the senate, and then talk about this topic.

Schadenfreude on July 25, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Risky business….? I guess doing nothing is risk free. Let’s find a poll that agrees with me and let’s warn others of the risk of doing nothing.

d1carter on July 25, 2014 at 1:31 PM

57 percent said that the GOP should not sue Obama while just 41 percent supported the lawsuit.

Gosh. That’s just 6% more than support impeachment.

Guess Boehner better start making his case, since the GOP alternative to the constitution isn’t in much greater favor than doing the right thing.

de rigueur on July 25, 2014 at 1:33 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/25/liberal-law-professor-jonathan-turley-thinks-congress-could-win-their-new-lawsuit-against-obama/

DisneyFan on July 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM

And if they win…what then?

I mean this is a lawsuit about a president ignoring the law, so lets get a legal ruling on his ignoring the law?

sharrukin on July 25, 2014 at 1:35 PM

The tone of Todd’s question is instructive. The press, the political entertainment complex, and the liberal establishment in general will frame this lawsuit as a waste of time at best or, at worst, an example of Obama’s persecution at the hands of deranged Republicans. There are precious few examples in the recent past of instances when the GOP was able to speak over the heads of the media and convince an already skeptical public that their course of action is the correct one.
– Noah

The tone of Todd’s question is perfectly understandable. Noah suggests the media will ‘frame’ this as ‘a waste of time’. But what they’re really doing is reporting it as one. But even that truth telling must be met with the usual cries of victim-hood by the right and conservatives.
This is all just another sideshow from a party that now seems incapable anything else. HA is continually harping on about Obama’s approval ratings, but Congress’s ratings pale in comparison.
It’s no mystery why.

verbaluce on July 25, 2014 at 1:41 PM

The tone of Todd’s question is instructive. The press, the political entertainment complex, and the liberal establishment in general will frame this lawsuit as a waste of time at best or, at worst, an example of Obama’s persecution at the hands of deranged Republicans.

won’t that framing be 100% correct? There’s no chance in hell the courts put themselves right in the middle of a constitutional crisis where on branch chooses not to exercise its power and instead runs whining to the courts for help. Given that how can anyone see this as anything but a transparently pathetic example of grandstanding?

Democrats, meanwhile, would like nothing more than to contend that they are dealing with a myopic opposition party which is far more focused on scoring political points against Obama than the concerns of the public.

Again, wouldn’t they be 100% correct in saying that? Will house republicans do anything productive? Or will it be another 20 symbolic votes against obamacare with a government shutdown thrown in?

Tlaloc on July 25, 2014 at 1:41 PM

I agree with Turley on this.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/25/liberal-law-professor-jonathan-turley-thinks-congress-could-win-their-new-lawsuit-against-obama/

DisneyFan on July 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Yes, they should.

CW on July 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Sure they should. When will the judgement come and then what? What punishment will be enforced, and who would presume to enforce it,hmmm?

Anyone?

hawkeye54 on July 25, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Frankly I am for all of it…

(1) Defunding parts of the executive branch (Like the IRS)
(2) Lawsuits
(3) Impeach Holder and some of Obama’s henchmen
(4) Protests, like walking out of the State of Union Speech, etc.

Anything to draw attention to Obama’s desire to destroy the constitution.

William Eaton on July 25, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Fine list, but with the feckless GOP Congressional leadership who are too afraid to undertake real steps to rein in the abuses of power from the Executive Branch, they will do little more than just try to appease ‘gullible conservatives’ and make it look like they are trying something.

They’ve not, are still aren’t planning to significantly defund any of the Executive Branch Departments or Agencies involved in abuses of power or acting outside their Constitutional authority.

The lawsuit, if and when filed, will likely be tossed on an issue of standing. It’s as Monkeytoe said so well, it’s a sop for gullible conservatives to make it look like the GOPe is doing something.

The GOPe, massively afraid of the mainstream media, will be unwilling to undertake any impeachment actions on the AG or any lesser political appointee – and they will point to the likely acquittal in the Senate as the justification for their inaction.

Let’s remember, this GOPe leadership is fundamentally fine with inaction…they have demonstrated repeatedly since 2011 that the only problem they really have with the Democrat agenda is that the Democrats want to move too fast, too expansively – and the GOPe, liking the power, control, and wealth that comes their way from going along to get along, just want to do down that same road at half the speed.

The fear of the media is also another reason why the GOP will not walk out on a SOTU speech or otherwise ‘embarrass’ the President. Going along to get along remains their key strategy and mantra…that and warring with the Tea Party that threatens them and their positions.

Athos on July 25, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Impeachment of the President will not happen. Not yet. It is impossible. We do not have the votes. Period.

The lawsuit is unlikely to work given the ridiculously narrow understanding of standing that the current Court has, but like Turley, I think it is at least possible that the Court will see this as a special situation.

So, impossible vs. slightly possible. That’s the way I see the “we should try impeachment instead” debate.

In addition, the House should continue investigating his minions and trying to remove those people when possible. And yes, defund what we can, too.

DisneyFan on July 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Will house republicans do anything productive? Or will it be another 20 symbolic votes against obamacare with a government shutdown thrown in?

Tlaloc on July 25, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Productive like 100+ jobs bills passed, including about two dozen sponsored by Democrats that were deep-sixed by Dingy Harry in the Senate without votes, like 240+ total bills passed by the House this session that were deep-sixed without action?

Honest people looking at a ‘do-nothing Congress’ need to look no further than the least productive Senate since the 18th century.

The House, by definition of the Constitution, is the closest representation of the will of the people, by the nature of their terms only being of 2 years in duration. The GOP gained control of this body in January 2011, in the wake of the Democrat majority in the Senate forcing, hypocritically and technically against established Senate practice, via reconciliation a bill to expand federal power over the states and people while facilitating a massive expansion of wealth redistribution. The Democrat majority House leadership then had to lie to their members in order to get the votes needed to pass – and in both cases without one single GOP vote.

The will of the people has been consistent that the EpicClusterFarkNado needs to be repealed or fixed – and the latter has been proven 38 times as the Executive Branch, in an abuse of the power to change legislation (being the purview of the Legislative Branch), has changed the ACA to limit just how painful the EpicClusterFarkNado would be to the people.

But since the interest of the Democrats, with the 2000+ pages of legislation, the 20K+ pages of regulations, remains not on fixing the healthcare industry, but expanding the power and effects of fascism on the country. No wonder Harry has deep-sixed 20 bills designed to repeal or fix the EpicClusterFark. It’s all about politics as opposed to serving the will of the people.

Athos on July 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM

A CNN poll?

Sure.

formwiz on July 25, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Am I reading a MSNBC article?

Obamatrix on July 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM

It’s not so much Republicans incompetence that bothers me as it is the master strategy of the Democrats. The Democrats have successfully outmaneuvered the Republicans in just about every important way.

The public is against GOP policies even though they agree with the policies.

The public believes Republicans are out of touch even though they fundamentally agree with Republicans on most issues.

The public expects Congress to perform professionally and get results while they give Obama a complete pass on all his BS.

It makes NO SENSE whatsoever, like we’re living in Bizzaro world, and it’s all thanks to brilliant social engineering on the part of progressives and liberals. They whooped us completely, utterly and without question.

hisfrogness on July 25, 2014 at 2:48 PM

It’s like that quote:

“Those who defend free markets are expected to produce a perfect system while those who defend the state are only expected to have good intentions”

And the public seems to believe the same thing. They expect the GOP to make a perfect country and when anything goes wrong they blame the GOP. The Democrats, on the other hand, get a free pass on everything, no matter how blatantly political they are, no matter how scandalous, whatever consequences there would be are magically attributed to conservatives.

It’s simply enigmatic.

hisfrogness on July 25, 2014 at 2:54 PM

What are the metrics of this poll?

MikeinPRCA on July 25, 2014 at 12:45 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised if it were legit. The left loves the strong man, and our new Latino overlords do as well. They want someone to cut through all the bureaucratic bull and just decree their EUtopia. They really don’t see where royal decrees might become a problem.

DFCtomm on July 25, 2014 at 3:13 PM

They whooped us completely, utterly and without question.

hisfrogness on July 25, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Yes and now we have to pay the price for losing the culture war. It’s not going to be cheap if you’re wondering.

DFCtomm on July 25, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Look at the ratings for CNN and who watches them; then come
back and tell me why I should believe this poll?

Amjean on July 25, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Will house republicans do anything productive? Or will it be another 20 symbolic votes against obamacare with a government shutdown thrown in?

Tlaloc on July 25, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Just stupid.

Productive? Productive would be cutting the budget. Gutting departments. Closing whole agencies.

See? You claiming the house “is not productive” to conservatives is idiotic. You think “productive” means passing lots more laws, giving the gov’t vastly more power and control over our lives. We think it is the opposite.

I know you don’t have the brain capacity to understand what conservatives say, but to come on a conservative web-site and complain that the house is not “being productive” because they “shut down” the gov’t or voted to repeal Obamacare, is beyond stupid.

what do you expect? Conservatives to say “yeah, we want a productive house. One that passes a lot of idiotic bills like Obamacare and increases the tyranny of the gov’t. Because it’s not substance that is important, but the amount of laws passed.”

It’s the same nonsense as when liberals use the word “bi-partisan”. what bi-partisan means to a liberal is “do what I want.”

the rank and constant dishonesty of your ilk constantly amazes me.

Monkeytoe on July 25, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Listen to the sheep, otherwise know as LIVs, they are a font of wisdom and experience.

Viator on July 25, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Noah, be sure to ask Pollutico what they think also.

Viator on July 25, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Regarding this administration’s selective enforcement of the laws passed by Congress – ranging from DOMA to DACA…

Um, Noah? When was DACA passed by Congress? Please cite the applicable House and Senate votes…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Productive like 100+ jobs bills passed, including about two dozen sponsored by Democrats that were deep-sixed by Dingy Harry in the Senate without votes,

cutting taxes on the wealthy and screwing the poor is not a jobs bill no matter what you title it.

Tlaloc on July 25, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Productive? Productive would be cutting the budget. Gutting departments. Closing whole agencies.

See? You claiming the house “is not productive” to conservatives is idiotic. You think “productive” means passing lots more laws, giving the gov’t vastly more power and control over our lives. We think it is the opposite.

I think “productive” means doing the job they were sent to do. Yes sometimes that means writing legislation since they’re..you know…legislators.

You seem to think “productive” means destroying everything we’ve built over the last ~250 years. The constitution was the start of the US, not the end. It was a pretty decent start, and kudos to the founding fathers on it. But it was far from perfect and by itself totally incapable of providing for the government of a modern nation. All those laws you hate? Those are the mortar of our nation. But you want to tear our house apart and replace it with a broken pile of bricks…because of a long outdated philosophical model you refuse to re-evaluate no matter what.

Thank god you guys are so incompetent or you could do real damage.

Tlaloc on July 25, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Lawsuits take time. They want the lawlessness to end now, and they see “No Controlling Legal Authority.” The Presidents mistakes are always “murky malfeasance.”

And they see the Republicans sending 350 items to Harry Reids desk, and Reid and Obama sniff, and won’t even debate anything that isn’t on the Obama Agenda.

And supposedly Reid is playing by the rules, he doesn’t have to bring up no stinkin’ bills, he doesn’t have to pass no stinkin’ budget, and he and Obama demand their irregular government be funded, and hold American’s hostage when they are running out of money…and then blame the republicans, for not sending Obama-Pleasing bills.

Obama doesn’t have to “eat his peas” but he thinks YOU should.

He thinks his power is whatever he says it is. Now he’s going to just hand out Amnesty…Refugee Status which comes with the works, seven years of welfare, all your immediate relatives can join you here, and you can apply for citizenship via naturalization in 4 years. THAT is Amnesty.

Fleuries on July 25, 2014 at 5:09 PM

..it’s o.k. to read this post, fellow Hot Gassers. Rothman’s edited and spell-checked it.
The War Planner on July 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Noah’s fact-checking is leaving much to be desired.

And yes, I stuck up for Noah when he came aboard Hot Air.

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 5:09 PM

The public at large, however, is less than enthralled with the idea of suing President Obama. “Based on what you have read or heard, do you believe that the Republicans in the U.S. House should file a lawsuit against Obama, or don’t you feel that way?” CNN/ORC pollsters recently asked the public. 57 percent said that the GOP should not sue Obama while just 41 percent supported the lawsuit.

Vague poll questions are pretty much useless for divining public opinion. Of course, most polls are meant to shape public opinion rather than discern it, so that may not matter to the pollsters.

This question means nothing unless you ask WHY they don’t want a lawsuit. That makes the question very similar to the one that asks whether you think the president should be impeached.

At least 3 groups of people could be answering no to the question about suing the president.
→ “No, they shouldn’t sue the president because the proper action to take against an out of control executive is to impeach him.”
→ “No,it would be more effective to simply defund the president rather than sue him.”
→ “No, they should leave the president alone.”

Three totally different no answers, and three totally different groups of people.

Compare to the question about impeaching the president: Should Obama be impeached?
→ “No, there’s no point because the Senate won’t convict” is a very different answer from “No, he’s done nothing that deserves impeachment.”

A poll that doesn’t ask the right questions is a meaningless poll.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 25, 2014 at 5:10 PM

cutting taxes on the wealthy everyone and screwing the poor is not a jobs bill no matter what you title it.
Tlaloc on July 25, 2014 at 5:04 PM

FIFY…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 25, 2014 at 5:10 PM

I know you don’t have the brain capacity to understand what conservatives say, but to come on a conservative web-site and complain that the house is not “being productive” because they “shut down” the gov’t or voted to repeal Obamacare, is beyond stupid.

True because it involves giving you the benefit of the doubt that you may have learned from your flaming fiasco during the shutdown.

Look it’s a representative democracy, the government is more or less supposed to do the will of the people by acting as their representatives. Sure there are times when a courageous dissent from popular opinion can be useful and necessary, but the right’s temper tantrum is growing very old very quickly. If you guys can’t govern get the &^%$ out of office and let others who can do so.

Tlaloc on July 25, 2014 at 5:11 PM

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