WaPo editorial: Why is the world ignoring Hamas’ depravity?

posted at 10:01 am on July 24, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Why indeed? The LA Times leads today with a huge headline wondering whether the embargo on Gaza because of Hamas’ terrorist activities is justification for, y’know, Hamas’ terrorist activities. Joel Pollak is aghast:

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The authors, Alexandra Zavis and Batsheva Sobelman, accept that Hamas started the war–and even suggest that most Palestinians in Gaza support it, though there is nothing beyond anecdotal evidence to prove that claim. They also describe Hamas’s smuggling tunnels to Egypt–which have been used to import deadly weapons–in positive terms, lamenting their supposed closure: “Residents are left to struggle just to get by.”

Nowhere–not once–in the entire article do Zavis or Sobelman note the terror tunnels that Hamas has spent the past several years building to attack Israel, diverting humanitarian aid and building materials for that purpose. Nowhere do they mention the fact that Hamas is using Palestinians as human shields, or that Israel has offered many ceasefires, or that the rockets fired from Gaza are intended to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible.

The article presents “war” or “embargo” as a false choice for Palestinians, utterly ignoring the fact that Gazans could choose peace instead of either of those options. The authors faithfully report the skepticism of Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal towards a ceasefire, as if he is a reliable source and his reservations are justified.

The embargo didn’t precede the terrorism, either. When Israel pulled out of Gaza, they kept control of the border (as did Egypt on the Sinai border), but the embargo didn’t get imposed until Hamas took control and the rockets began raining down indiscriminately on Israeli civilians. Without Hamas and the rockets, there still wouldn’t be an embargo, and the Gaza experience is one reason why Israel is so determined to keep security control over the West Bank no matter what kind of two-state solution emerges. The Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas as their government, and so far haven’t chosen to remove them despite the wars and the embargo.

The Washington Post editorial board’s essay today could have easily taken the form of an open letter to the LA Times. It responds directly to this assumption that the embargo was the origin of the conflict, and focuses especially on Hamas’ “depravity” in targeting civilians:

Hamas’s offensive tunnels should not be confused with the burrows it has dug under Gaza’s border with Egypt to smuggle money, consumer goods and military equipment. The newly discovered structures have only one conceivable purpose: to launch attacks inside Israel. Three times in recent days, Hamas fighters emerged from the tunnels in the vicinity of Israeli civilian communities, which they clearly aimed to attack. The ­concrete-lined structures are stocked with materials, such as handcuffs and tranquilizers, that could be used on hostages. Other tunnels in northern Gaza are designed for the storage and firing of missiles at Israeli cities.

The resources devoted by Hamas to this project are staggering, particularly in view of Gaza’s extreme poverty. By one Israeli account, the typical tunnel cost $1 million to build over the course of several years, using tons of concrete desperately needed for civilian housing. By design, many of the tunnels have entrances in the heavily populated Shijaiyah district, where the Israeli offensive has been concentrated. One was found underneath al-Wafa hospital, where Hamas also located a command post and stored weapons, according to Israeli officials.

The depravity of Hamas’s strategy seems lost on much of the outside world, which — following the terrorists’ script — blames Israel for the civilian casualties it inflicts while attempting to destroy the tunnels. While children die in strikes against the military infrastructure that Hamas’s leaders deliberately placed in and among homes, those leaders remain safe in their own tunnels. There they continue to reject cease-fire proposals, instead outlining a long list of unacceptable demands.

The end to the embargo is one of those demands, but that’s not going to happen. How exactly does launching rockets at Israel — a practice that has gone on for years and happens constantly — make the argument that Israel should not control what comes in and out of Gaza? It’d be akin to having al-Qaeda demand we disband TSA as the condition of a truce.

Mark Regev, the spokesman for Benjamin Netanyahu, offered a similar rebuke to Madeline Albright last night on CNN:

“What would your country do?” We invaded Afghanistan and are still fighting there nearly 13 years later on the basis of one day’s attacks on Washington DC and New York City. Hamas may not have killed 3,000 Israelis, but they’ve launched more than 2100 missiles just since the Gaza war began this month, so it’s not for lack of trying. And finally, Israel keeps accepting the terms of cease-fire proposals from Egypt, the only other country that shares a border with Gaza, and Hamas keeps rejecting them in favor of more attacks on Israel.

To answer the LA Times, the question isn’t “war or blockade” for Gazans, but “Hamas or peace.” They chose Hamas as their representatives, and their representatives got them a blockade and then provoked a war that will hurt them the most. When the Gazans are ready to get rid of Hamas, Israel will be happy to help.


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Israel should just go ahead and get rid of Hamas, take over Gaza again, and be damned to the rest of the Israel-bashing world. Israel will never be treated fairly anyway, so what have they got to lose?

RebeccaH on July 24, 2014 at 11:52 AM

I say let’s restore Palestine–the way it was when the Romans destroyed it…IFYKWIM

Nutstuyu on July 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM

@LFOD: That’s interesting company you keep.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/staff-writers/

Seth Halpern on July 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Bmore…or less

Nutstuyu on July 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Surprise! Rockets Found At U.N. School In Gaza “Have Gone Missing”…

The UN secretary-general on Wednesday said he was “alarmed” to hear that rockets were placed in a UN-run school in Gaza and now “have gone missing,” and he demanded a full review of such incidents.

A statement by the spokesman for Ban Ki-moon expressed the UN chief’s “outrage and regret” at the placement of weapons at a site run by the global organization. The UN says that has happened at least twice so far in the current fighting.

“Those responsible are turning schools into potential military targets, and endangering the lives of innocent children,” UN staff and anyone seeking shelter, the statement said.

The rockets had been placed at one of the schools run by the UN refugee agency for Palestinians, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in Gaza.

I, for one, am NOT surprised.

Resist We Much on July 24, 2014 at 11:56 AM

corona79 on July 24, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Only fifteen? Not worth reporting.

OldEnglish on July 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM

What’s the “tactic?” Building a home and raising a family in it? How dare they reproduce! ARGH Those terrorists, with their desire to get married and raise kids. It’s just not fair, what’s Israel supposed to do?!? There are no other options when the Palestinians just insist on continuing to have kids and continuing to raise them in an area where Israel wants to blow up!

libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Do you seriously not have a clue that “those terrorists, with their desire to get married and raise kids,” have been busy firing rockets at Israeli civilians and murdering them for decades? And you want to tell the rest of us that we don’t know our history, want nothing more than to murder children, and view the Palestinians as subhuman? Is it that you don’t realize how stupid and evil you sound, or is it that you don’t care?

Aitch748 on July 24, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Oh, so the argument is that within an occupied territory it is impossible for an organized armed resistance to emerge with the support of the occupied populace and declare itself an independent governing body? Wow, it’s almost as if you know nothing about the founding of this nation…

libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Um, no it would be impossible to hold an open, “democratic” election which is how Hamas came to power.

Nutstuyu on July 24, 2014 at 12:03 PM

And Cindy, the irony of your comment is that if you heard a Hamas sympathizer saying the same thing about Israeli kids, you’d be (rightly) disgusted.

verbaluce on July 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM

If? IF???

When have hamas sympathizers NOT said considerably worse about Israeli kids???

Since you know what an idiotic statement this was, you can only be lying about it. This fact makes you a liar, and since you’re lying on behalf of terrorists, this makes you a terrorist sympathizer. Don’t like it? Call for me to be banned. Go ahead. I dare you.

runawayyyy on July 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM

I heard that 18% of the population believes Jewish families are better off now that the major provisions of the rockets have been implemented.

rogerb on July 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

I keep telling you guys, Pew polls are unreliable, and Pew is corrupt and biased.

slickwillie2001 on July 24, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Oh, so the argument is that within an occupied territory it is impossible for an organized armed resistance to emerge with the support of the occupied populace and declare itself an independent governing body? Wow, it’s almost as if you know nothing about the founding of this nation…

libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Um, no it would be impossible to hold an open, “democratic” election which is how Hamas came to power.

Nutstuyu on July 24, 2014 at 12:03 PM

I missed this specific blatant error by libfreeordie. It’s obvious that he doesn’t know anything about the origins or recent history in the area.

Hamas took over from the PA in Gaza – not Israel. Let me see if I can find that cartoon that Hamas made that depicted themselves as a lion that overthrew the mice that were depicting the PA.

corkie on July 24, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Europe, the US, and even Israel have poured 10s of billions of dollars into the “Palestinians”–really just displaced and disgruntled Arabs who don’t like the choices they’ve been making for decades–and do they build roads, schools, hospitals, businesses, farms, markets, or any other sign of civilization? No, they impoverish their populations to keep them angry and hateful and then waste their monies on arms and missiles. Israel left Gaza with greenhouses, farms with drip irrigation, an infrastructure to make a society, and Hamas abandoned all of them to the point that it needs food and water and medical supplies from Israel, and when in a stroke of genius, attacks Israel and then whines Israel is not nurturing these outlaws and criminals with supplies. Bork’em. The Israelis should return Gaza to total desert and drive the “Palestinians” into some Arab arms–who do not want them for a king’s ransom.

rennyangel2 on July 24, 2014 at 12:13 PM

The weird obsession that’s ruining the GOP Benghazi? ObamaCare? Hillary Clinton? No — it’s inflation.

It’s ALL a strawman.

CW on July 24, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Hamas took over from the PA in Gaza – not Israel. Let me see if I can find that cartoon that Hamas made that depicted themselves as a lion that overthrew the mice that were depicting the PA.

corkie on July 24, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Here it is.

The video depicts the PA coming from outside (when Arafat returned from exile), and exploiting/ruining Gaza. That’s when the lion of Hamas took over to restore everything.

libfree needs to watch it and learn something. Hamas didn’t rise up in response to Israeli occupation.

corkie on July 24, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Europe, the US, and even Israel have poured 10s of billions of dollars into the “Palestinians”–really just displaced and disgruntled Arabs who don’t like the choices they’ve been making for decades–and do they build roads, schools, hospitals, businesses, farms, markets, or any other sign of civilization? No, they impoverish their populations to keep them angry and hateful and then waste their monies on arms and missiles. Israel left Gaza with greenhouses, farms with drip irrigation, an infrastructure to make a society, and Hamas abandoned all of them to the point that it needs food and water and medical supplies from Israel, and when in a stroke of genius, attacks Israel and then whines Israel is not nurturing these outlaws and criminals with supplies. Bork’em. The Israelis should return Gaza to total desert and drive the “Palestinians” into some Arab arms–who do not want them for a king’s ransom.

rennyangel2 on July 24, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Oddly enough, this is what our own liberals do to us as well; take what works and destroy it; spend billions of dollars and have nothing to show for it but enriched cronies and impoverished and dependent civilians.

Midas on July 24, 2014 at 12:19 PM

If Gaza was occupied, how did Hamas come into power?

sentinelrules on July 24, 2014 at 10:28 AM
Oh, so the argument is that within an occupied territory it is impossible for an organized armed resistance to emerge with the support of the occupied populace and declare itself an independent governing body? Wow, it’s almost as if you know nothing about the founding of this nation…

libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM

I can’t take the lies and idiocy of our resident Troll. I have often times stated that Libfree is too dumb to be an actual human and is clearly a device used by the moderators of this site to drive traffic..

however, I can’t let plain lies and egregious distortions exist when others may fall for it:

1) Colonists in 1775 had no right to vote for their own executive

2) residents of Gaza have had the right to vote for the last NINE YEARS, and did in fact vote into power the Hamas terrorists (designated as terrorists by Obama’s own State Department). They could have voted for Fatah, where their “President” has been illegally in office going into year 10 of a 4 year term

3)Israel withdrew not only its “occupying” military, but also withdrew thousands of its citizens who lived in Gaza- with the promise that there would be peace on the border

4) only a complete moron like Libfree can’t understand that GAZA SHARES A BORDER WITH EGYPT- so how is it that there is an Israeli blockade into the Gaza territory? interesting no leftists mention this fact. is the US under occupation because we buy oil and natural gas from Canada?

5) under International Law, Article 51 of the UN Charter provides Israel with the right to self-defense. Humanitarian law under the Hague and Geneva Conventions prohibits Hamas from stationing weapons in civilian areas, commands them to wear uniforms as a military, and to not target Jewish civilians.

Thus, Hamas every day is committing war crimes under International Law

AirForceCane on July 24, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Yup, we should definitely be covering calls for vandalism by random people when Israeli politicians are calling for genocide.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/17/mothers-of-all-palestinians-must-be-killed-israeli-mp/comment-page-1/

I know, I know, Palestinians aren’t human so we shouldn’t judge Israel for its behavior blah blah blah…

libfreeordie on July 23, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Just a reminder: the left-wing kook website above is one that libfree linked to yesterday. This gives us an idea of where he’s coming from:
1. It’s the most virulently anti-Semitic, anti-Israel site I’ve ever seen.
2. An entire section of the site is dedicated to 911 trutherism.
3. One of the top editors’ claim to fame is that she exposed and prevented the Bush invasion of Iran. Yes, that’s right. The media covered it up. Of course we all remember how much the media was in the tank for GWB./
4. Sandy Hook was a “false flag” operation.
5. Their chief complaint with Obama appears to be that he is too pro-Israel and not enough pro-Muslim.
6. They’ve figured out that the downing of MH17 was a CIA plot hatched by the Ukrainian government in Kiev.
7. One of their sister websites is some site called JS News, out of Tehran, Iran.

TarheelBen on July 24, 2014 at 12:24 PM

WaPo editorial: Why is the world ignoring Hamas’ depravity?

Here’s just one reason:

All The News Hamas Sees Fit to Print

From the article: Something important is missing from the New York Times’s coverage of the war in Gaza: photographs of terrorist attacks on Israel, and pictures of Hamas fighters, tunnels, weaponry, and use of human shields.

It appears the Times is silently but happily complying with a Hamas demand that the only pictures from Gaza are of civilians and never of fighters. The most influential news organization in the world is thus manufacturing an utterly false portrait of the battle—precisely the portrait that Hamas finds most helpful: embattled, victimized Gaza civilians under attack by a cruel Israeli military.

slickwillie2001 on July 24, 2014 at 12:32 PM

slave, the death penalty and obama’s idiocies/Putin threads await you.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2014 at 12:36 PM

WaPo editorial: Why is the world ignoring Hamas’ depravity?

I can get this one guys.

Because Jews.

I am proud of the concise nature of my complete answer there.

gekkobear on July 24, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Yet again, fascistordie earns his reputation as either completely clueless or a shameless liar – he discredits himself on a daily basis.

gwelf on July 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Yet again, fascistordie earns his reputation as either completely clueless or a shameless liar – he discredits himself on a daily basis.

gwelf on July 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Who says he can’t be both?

HumpBot Salvation on July 24, 2014 at 12:46 PM

You people know Libfree is a sock puppet used to steer the conversation in a desired direction, right? I think you people are being manipulated.

The Grinch on July 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Translation: JohnGalt23 doesn’t recognize Palestinians as humans.

libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 11:02 AM

No, he just considers them a fetus.

Nutstuyu on July 24, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Have any :liberals” asked themselves, “When was the last time a ghey pride parade held in Gaza?” You’d think that would be reason enough to annihilate Gaza faster than a Mozilla CEO.

Nutstuyu on July 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

You people know Libfree is a sock puppet used to steer the conversation in a desired direction, right? I think you people are being manipulated.

The Grinch on July 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Then one of our resident sleuths needs to out it and get that blogger run out on a rail.

Nutstuyu on July 24, 2014 at 12:55 PM

You people know Libfree is a sock puppet used to steer the conversation in a desired direction, right? I think you people are being manipulated.

The Grinch on July 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

The only direction I ever see is the one where libfree looks like a typical uninformed Marxist idiot.

darwin on July 24, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Have any :liberals” asked themselves, “When was the last time a ghey pride parade held in Gaza?” You’d think that would be reason enough to annihilate Gaza faster than a Mozilla CEO.

Nutstuyu on July 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

They’re self-loathers. They are more interested in the destruction of those who have self-respect and -love than they are in their own self-preservation. So, no, I don’t think it’s reason enough for them.

non-nonpartisan on July 24, 2014 at 1:04 PM

What’s the “tactic?” Building a home and raising a family in it? How dare they reproduce! ARGH Those terrorists, with their desire to get married and raise kids.
libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Those same kids that those peace-loving parents parade in front of news cameras with suicide bomb vests strapped on?
Those wonderful families that raise their kids believing the greatest thing they could possibly do in their whole life is to blow themselves to pieces with a suicide bomb and hopefully take some Jews with them?

You’re as sick as they are.

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Who says he can’t be both?

HumpBot Salvation on July 24, 2014 at 12:46 PM

he’s not that talented.

gwelf on July 24, 2014 at 1:16 PM

gekkobear on July 24, 2014 at 12:38 PM

That’s what makes you a conservative.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2014 at 1:30 PM

There’s a big assumption here. That Hamas was VOTED in legetimately. They had Acorn reps showing them how to do it right. It must be easier though to get the results when you can threaten to kill people in a straight forward manner. Instead of saying of saying vote for us or the Republicans will kill grandma or take away your freebies.

odannyboy on July 24, 2014 at 1:39 PM

You people know Libfree is a sock puppet used to steer the conversation in a desired direction, right? I think you people are being manipulated.
The Grinch on July 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

It seems to be working. It turned a 50 post thread into a 200+ post thread.

tommyboy on July 24, 2014 at 1:42 PM

You people know Libfree is a sock puppet used to steer the conversation in a desired direction, right? I think you people are being manipulated.

The Grinch on July 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Perhaps – although someone got banned awhile back for posting what was supposedly LFOD’s true identity – based on the profile he supposedly provided to HA.

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2014 at 2:01 PM

The only question then is- why not shoot rockets into Egypt since they have closed the Rafah crossing and have really bloackaded Gaza…
Blockade, occupation, there will always be a reason the Pali’s throw at the Jews for terror. But the true word that explains it, the real reason there will never be peace is something the Jews have done that is absolutely unforgivable, that no decent society can ignore. Survival. The Jews exist- and that’s all the reason they need to want to eradicate them.

dgeis on July 24, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Perhaps

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2014 at 2:01 PM

There is no “perhaps” about it-he is a troll whose main intent here is to derail threads. He doesn’t even try to hide it, much like my doppelganger.

I have said many times that I post here for gags, stunts and shows.

libfreeordie on June 24, 2014 at 9:00 PM

It seems to be working. It turned a 50 post thread into a 200+ post thread.

tommyboy on July 24, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Yes, it sure does, sadly. He effectively wastes the time of too many people with his unserious bullsh!t.

non-nonpartisan on July 24, 2014 at 2:07 PM

And Cindy, the irony of your comment is that if you heard a Hamas sympathizer saying the same thing about Israeli kids, you’d be (rightly) disgusted.

verbaluce on July 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM

If? IF???

When have hamas sympathizers NOT said considerably worse about Israeli kids???

Since you know what an idiotic statement this was, you can only be lying about it. This fact makes you a liar, and since you’re lying on behalf of terrorists, this makes you a terrorist sympathizer. Don’t like it? Call for me to be banned. Go ahead. I dare you.

runawayyyy on July 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Nonsense is not a ban-able offense.
I dbl dare you to say something ban-worthy.
(But even then, I don’t call for bans).

verbaluce on July 24, 2014 at 2:16 PM

There is no “perhaps” about it-he is a troll whose main intent here is to derail threads. He doesn’t even try to hide it, much like my doppelganger.

non-nonpartisan on July 24, 2014 at 2:07 PM

That’s not what my “perhaps” was in reference to.
We know he’s a troll, but The Grinch said:

You people know Libfree is a sock puppet used to steer the conversation in a desired direction, right? I think you people are being manipulated.

The Grinch on July 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

That seems to me to say LFOD is an HA sock puppet – which is something different than just a lefty troll.
If LFOD is just a sock puppet, someone went to a he11 of a lot of trouble to create a comprehensive fake identity for someone else to trace – and then get banned for publishing said identity.

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM

As long as the LA TImes and their ilk continue to reward Hamas for the use of human shields, Hamas will use human shields.

The LA Times has the blood of hundreds of Palestinians on their hands.

talkingpoints on July 24, 2014 at 2:49 PM

That seems to me to say LFOD is an HA sock puppet – which is something different than just a lefty troll

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM

If what you meant by “HA sock puppet” is one being run by someone from HA itself, I don’t agree that the comment should be read that way.

I do think libfree is one of a number of sock puppets run by the same person, or group, however. I even made mention of it in this very thread. What I highlight below is the exact MO of libfree and some other commenters here.

Federal government routinely hires internet trolls, shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt article comment sections

You’ve probably run into them before — those seemingly random antagonizers who always end up diverting the conversation in an online chat room or article comment section away from the issue at hand, and towards a much different agenda. Hot-button issues like illegal immigration, the two-party political system, the “war on terror” and even alternative medicine are among the most common targets of such attackers, known as internet “trolls” or “shills,” who in many cases are nothing more than paid lackeys hired by the federal government and other international organizations to sway and ultimately control public opinion.

non-nonpartisan on July 24, 2014 at 2:52 PM

non-nonpartisan on July 24, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Oh ya – I agree that’s likely what most of these trolls are – OFA paid community disrupters.

But I recall there being a big fuss about someone digging into LFOD’s personal background and outing his true identity, and then getting banned because of it.
So my assumption has been that LFOD is a real person (vs made up sock puppet) who is some kind of protected lefty OFA troll.

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Surprise! Rockets Found At U.N. School In Gaza “Have Gone Missing”…

The UN secretary-general on Wednesday said he was “alarmed” to hear that rockets were placed in a UN-run school in Gaza and now “have gone missing,” and he demanded a full review of such incidents.

A statement by the spokesman for Ban Ki-moon expressed the UN chief’s “outrage and regret” at the placement of weapons at a site run by the global organization. The UN says that has happened at least twice so far in the current fighting.

“Those responsible are turning schools into potential military targets, and endangering the lives of innocent children,” UN staff and anyone seeking shelter, the statement said.

The rockets had been placed at one of the schools run by the UN refugee agency for Palestinians, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in Gaza.

I, for one, am NOT surprised.

Resist We Much on July 24, 2014 at 11:56 AM

I’m shocked, shocked to find the UN supporting terrorist activites in the Middle East.

talkingpoints on July 24, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Surprise! Rockets Found At U.N. School In Gaza “Have Gone Missing”…

I’m shocked, shocked to find the UN supporting terrorist activites in the Middle East.

“Your missiles, Sir.”

Oops, forgot second part.

talkingpoints on July 24, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Nonsense is not a ban-able offense.

verbaluce on July 24, 2014 at 2:16 PM

He wasn’t claiming that it was a ban-abe offense. He was claiming that it was a false equivalency.

But it’s good to see you admit that libfree’s comment was nonsense.

corkie on July 24, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Surprise! Rockets Found At U.N. School In Gaza “Have Gone Missing”…

I’m shocked, shocked to find the UN supporting terrorist activites in the Middle East.

“Your missiles, Sir.”

Oops, forgot second part.

talkingpoints on July 24, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Was there a burn mark on the ground where they used to be?
If so, I think we know where they went…..

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Oh ya – I agree that’s likely what most of these trolls are – OFA paid community disrupters.

I’ll share with you that I have a strong suspicion about some of them being from somewhere other than OFA. =)

But I recall there being a big fuss about someone digging into LFOD’s personal background and outing his true identity, and then getting banned because of it.
So my assumption has been that LFOD is a real person (vs made up sock puppet) who is some kind of protected lefty OFA troll.

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2014 at 3:00 PM

I wonder if you are confusing libfree with another poster. I think so. Someone else who knows the history here better can clear it up for us maybe?

non-nonpartisan on July 24, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Lots of big cities ban handguns for the most part.

“Residents are left to struggle just to get by.”

Since I’m sure the LA Times is careful to be consistent about such matters, it’s good to know the LA Times is willing to accept gun smuggling to help the gangs of LA County defend themselves against the blockade the LAPD is trying to enforce! Of course the LAPD says the ban is to keep the gangs under control, but the poor oppressed street gangs are fighting back any way the know how, against the oppressive LAPD.

If you substitute LAPD for Israel, and street gangs for Hamas, it is quite easy to see how this logic works out. LAPD hasn’t built a wall (yet), but some of the similarities are striking.

In LA and in the West Bank, it is the citizens who try to be law-abiding who often get caught in the crossfire. The gangs don’t mind using innocents as human shields. So because of the innocent casualties, would the LA Times tell the LAPD they should stand down, and call for a cease fire any time the LAPD takes some action to try to combat gang violence? I don’t read their paper myself, so maybe they do and I just haven’t heard about it.

s1im on July 24, 2014 at 3:13 PM

In LA and in the West Bank, it is the citizens who try to be law-abiding who often get caught in the crossfire. The gangs don’t mind using innocents as human shields. So because of the innocent casualties, would the LA Times tell the LAPD they should stand down, and call for a cease fire any time the LAPD takes some action to try to combat gang violence? I don’t read their paper myself, so maybe they do and I just haven’t heard about it.

s1im on July 24, 2014 at 3:13 PM

The one difference I see in this is that the innocent citizens of LA are not voting the criminal gang members into positions of power on the city council.

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2014 at 3:30 PM

I say let’s restore Palestine–the way it was when the Romans destroyed it…IFYKWIM
Nutstuyu on July 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Yes, we know – the Romans drove all the Jews out of the Holy Land, in 0067 AD. It was the beginning of the Diaspora.
I gotta better idea – let’s restore Israel as it was BEFORE that.

Blockade, occupation, there will always be a reason the Pali’s throw at the Jews for terror. But the true word that explains it, the real reason there will never be peace is something the Jews have done that is absolutely unforgivable, that no decent society can ignore. Survival. The Jews exist- and that’s all the reason they need to want to eradicate them.

dgeis on July 24, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Yes, and they persistently refuse to turn their backs on their God and His Laws, and embrace the Devil’s prophet. Or just die, already.

ReggieA on July 24, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Those terrorists, with their desire to get married and raise kids. It’s just not fair, what’s Israel supposed to do?!? There are no other options when the Palestinians just insist on continuing to have kids and continuing to raise them in an area where Israel wants to blow up!

libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Perhaps if they did not vote into power people who lob missiles into Israel, they would not have this problem.

But, facts, honesty and logic are never things you engage in.

Please continue with your theory that Israel is just having fun bombing Gaza for no reason and that Hamas, and the people who voted Hamas into power (the Palestinians living in Gaza) have no responsibility, all while Hamas continuously fires missiles into Israel.

I guess Palestinians firing rockets into Israel are all just “rebels” fighting the “occupying Army”. It’s not as if Israel has offered, many times, to trade land for peace. Indeed, Israel left its “occupation” (Israel took Gaza from Egypt in the 60′s and controlled Gaza militarily until the mid-90′s, Egypt had been controlling Gaza militarily for decades prior to Israel gaining control of Gaza) in the mid 90′s – voluntarily – in an effort to obtain peace with the Palestinians.

Israel withdrew its army and gave the Palestinians self-control over the territory. Rather than actually using that to try and forge peace and make a better life for themselves, the Palestinians continue to fire missiles into Israel. But – if you refuse to see facts, sure, Israel continues to “occupy” Gaza and Palestinians have no responsibility for their own actions.

Perhaps if you a) were educated in any way (I’m beginning to wonder if you even have your GED, its as if you never even saw a history book let alone read one); b) ever engaged in any honest discussion; or c) had the capacity to think logically, you could actually discuss this topic.

But, of course, I kid. We both know you aren’t cable of rationale thought or honesty.

Monkeytoe on July 24, 2014 at 4:04 PM

I don’t watch much TV but I do recall two stories:
First was about Bill Clinton giving some arms and ammunition to Yasser Arafat to bring his ‘policemen’ up to speed. It amounted to giving the PA 28,000 M-16 rifles and something like 400,000 rounds of ammo.
A few years later when Hamas TOOK OVER Gaza they rid themselves of the PA (Palestinian Authority) without firing a shot. They simply marched them off of multi-story buildings. (Guess Clinton’s diplomatic effort toward the PA, with enough rifles and ammo to equip TWO INFANTRY DIVISIONS wasn’t enough for the Religion of Peace.)
BTW this execution technique was tested for reliability and effectiveness by the Gimmedat Middle East Leadership Hero … Saddam Hussein. And it worked EVERY TIME.

Missilengr on July 24, 2014 at 4:48 PM

FROM LFoD’s favorite site:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/24/shannon-hicks-denies-staging-her-fake-iconic-sandy-hook-photograph/

Perhaps the most extraordinary proof that the Sandy Hook “shooting” was a fabricated event in which no children died is the “iconic” photograph that was taken by Shannon Hicks, Associate Editor of The Newtown Bee, which Dennis Cimino and I have subjected to an extensive and detailed analysis. It is the only photo we have of any children being evacuated from the school:

CW on July 24, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Libfreeordie celebrated 9/11 along with the people in Gaza. He is a straight up terrorist sympathizer who justifies the killing of kids to achieve the goal of destroying Israel and the US. SO much hate and antisemitism. It is truly disgusting how someone can have so much hate, bigotry and intolerance.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 24, 2014 at 4:58 PM

Caught on Tape: Hamas Terrorists Fire on IDF From Wafa Hospital in Gaza (Video)

Resist We Much on July 24, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Not sure if you guys get it back in the US but I’m in Baghdad and we get the Iranian TV channel “Press TV”. Holy smokes…this propaganda channel makes MSNBC look trust-worthy.

One interview today had a guy saying that there’s no reason for the Israelis to to bomb a building killing children, pregnant women and elderly people when only 1 or 2 rockets are fired from the location. (paraphrased a bit for space). They also had little kids reading prepared “sob stories” in perfect English for the cameras.

If news outlets like Press TV are the only source of information for the region, things will never change.

JetBlast on July 24, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Libfreeordie celebrated 9/11 along with the people in Gaza. He is a straight up terrorist sympathizer who justifies the killing of kids to achieve the goal of destroying Israel and the US. SO much hate and antisemitism. It is truly disgusting how someone can have so much hate, bigotry and intolerance.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 24, 2014 at 4:58 PM

I expect that what he ‘teaches’ is centered on those three things, and he makes a fine living doing it too.

slickwillie2001 on July 24, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Absolutely perfect Steyn piece:
http://www.steynonline.com/6485/the-man-who-never-calls

onlineanalyst on July 24, 2014 at 5:33 PM

Expect you to recognize Palestinians children as human beings? I’d never go that far. Don’t worry.

libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Yeah, because Cindy Munford is the one who disregards the humanity of Palestinian children, not the people who use them as human shields.

Can’t you just feel the deep and abiding respect for their value and humanity oozing out of Hamas when they prop them up in front of sub-machine gun fire?

Good Solid B-Plus on July 24, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Fascinating. When did the war start?

libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 11:07 AM

1948. Amazing that you could get a PhD in History without knowing that.

Good Solid B-Plus on July 24, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Well it was sort of a central component of childrearing in this country for most of its history, so yes, of course I can.

libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Yeah, and when it was evil Southerners raising their kids as racists, you had no problem changing their behavior at gunpoint.

But Palestinians using their own children as human shields? Nope, gotta treat them with kid gloves.

Good Solid B-Plus on July 24, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Resist We Much on July 24, 2014 at 11:17 AM

ROFL. Seriously, this is golden.

Libfreeordie, Lord High Chancellor and Pontiff of the Church of “Everything is Racist,” is so far out on the lunatic fringe in regards to the situation in Gaza that he has to ally himself with a website that is trying to score propaganda victories for Russia in service of it remaining the “last bastion of the white race.”

Oh God, if the irony were any more delicious I’d pop like Mr. Creosote.

Good Solid B-Plus on July 24, 2014 at 6:24 PM

First was about Bill Clinton giving some arms and ammunition to Yasser Arafat to bring his ‘policemen’ up to speed. It amounted to giving the PA 28,000 M-16 rifles and something like 400,000 rounds of ammo.

Missilengr on July 24, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Watch the cartoon that I linked in this comment. It shows the PA (the mice) opening up crates of weapons with a US flag on the outside.

corkie on July 24, 2014 at 8:54 PM

The one difference I see in this is that the innocent citizens of LA are not voting the criminal gang members into positions of power on the city council.

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Maybe, but I wouldn’t bet on it, if LA’s city council is anything like the one we have in Dallas.

s1im on July 24, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Have been a lurker since Captain’s Quarters. Enjoy the give and take and regulars sharing. Felt drawn to comment because my grandmother’s brother migrated to the area known as Palestine in 1910. I had the pleasure of meeting “the old man” in 1987 on the occasion of my son’s Bar Mitzvah. It was incredibly emotional to be in proximity of the Western Wall, I immediately burst into tears. I was frisked and my purse searched at every shop I visited…OK…I began to look forward to it. It was commonplace to see young men with rifles slung over their backs. I felt safe and secure that June. Golda Meir’s quote sums up for me, “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.” Sorry for long first post. Will continue to read and learn.

nuclearoptional on July 24, 2014 at 10:26 PM

WAPO finally “sided” with Israel? WOW! About time.

MN J on July 24, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Was “genocidal” Israeli MK misquoted? Seems so. http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Exposing-militant-leftist-propaganda-363062

Seth Halpern on July 25, 2014 at 12:25 AM

Oh, so the argument is that within an occupied territory it is impossible for an organized armed resistance to emerge with the support of the occupied populace and declare itself an independent governing body? Wow, it’s almost as if you know nothing about the founding of this nation…

libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Great observation if you can equate a mother’s womb to Jeffrey Dahmer’s stomach. Wolf shares your relativism. He was about to ask, and probably did off camera, “Look, the furnaces, were they really all that bad?”

onomo on July 25, 2014 at 8:22 AM

obama, kerry and moon, and albright and most democrats, are masters of pretending to affirm Israel’s right to self-defense, while actually working to curtail that right and keep the ME in a state of perpetual war. Under leftist leadership the most powerful nation on earth has become a force for evil.

paul1149 on July 25, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Hopefully, someday someone will murder some kids you care about, and then laugh.

libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 10:29 AM

You’re despicable. No wonder you favor Hamas–you are a beast and a barbarian. I’m suprised you haven’t banned for that remark.

zoyclem on July 25, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Hopefully, someday someone will murder some kids you care about, and then laugh pass out candy.

libfreeordie on July 24, 2014 at 10:29 AM

The group that does that – that’s the group whose a$$ you suck. I have no doubt that they would love to murder some kids we care about. I have no doubt YOU would be the one laughing.

You truly are the most detestable little fascist ever to show up at this blog.

Shay on July 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Sorry for long first post. Will continue to read and learn.

nuclearoptional on July 24, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Trust me, that was downright concise, and hopefully you’ll continue to post on top of lurking. :)

Good Solid B-Plus on July 26, 2014 at 4:06 AM

Terrific response to the lib enemies of Israel.

Feedie on July 27, 2014 at 4:56 AM

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