Video: Months later, ObamaCare exchanges still aren’t working properly

posted at 1:21 pm on July 24, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

This seems like an especially timely reminder, given yesterday’s news about how easily GAO investigators were able to buy insurance with faked credentials on Healthcare.gov. WECT in Wilmington, North Carolina reports that actual consumers have a much more difficult time in acquiring and paying for their health insurance coverage. One broker still has customers getting canceled despite their efforts to keep the premiums flowing:

Months later, Mercer said he and his clients are still running into problems with the healthcare service.

The broker said he has personally had between 25 and 30 unsatisfied Obamacare customers.

Mercer said the main issue is with the payment process and said that he’s had multiple clients try to pay their bill only to be dropped from coverage.

“It kind of defeats the whole purpose of what the law was about of helping those that need financial assistance to get their healthcare insurance. They’re simply getting hung in the wind a little bit after it’s dropped,” said Mercer.

The back end systems, promised long ago by HHS, still aren’t up and running properly. Nor is that the only promise that’s been forgotten, as I note in my column today at The Fiscal Times. The GAO may have succeeded in getting insurance through fake accounts, but that’s nothing compared to the false promises we’ve already seen from ObamaCare and this administration:

Obama insisted that Obamacare would drive down premiums for a family of four by $2500 a year, but premiums escalated sharply instead, and are set to do so again for 2015. National Journal reported this week that doomsayer predictions about the 2015 escalations would prove incorrect, and that price hikes would be “less than 10 percent – nominal hikes in line with standard increases that have happened every year with or without Obamacare.” But the promise was that Obamacare would “bend the cost curve downward” and address the trend, not leave it undisturbed.

Insurance companies tried to limit premium increases with the only method left to them – narrowing the provider networks to control costs. That has led to rising anger among consumers who thought they would keep their existing doctors, as Obama promised, only to discover that their choices got significantly reduced.

The previous trend in premium increases came while leaving provider networks relatively wide, and if state and federal regulators force insurers to broaden them, those “nominal” increases will give way to a much sharper spike in premiums.

“People have to recognize it’s a trade-off, and I’m not sure they do yet,” Politico quotes one industry expert as saying. But Obamacare wasn’t sold as a trade-off. Obama and Democrats promised that nothing would change while everything was changing, and that government could deliver on all these promises if only we let Congress redesign the health-insurance market into America’s first-ever peacetime command economy.

To be fair, as Investors Business Daily notes, we have opened up vast new vistas for fraud.

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Oh, so the extra traffic we heard about yesterday are just repeaters trying to get the stupid thing to work? Funny.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.
libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM

And as Ned Pepper helpfully pointed out, Obamacare only helped 18% of the people using it.
 

According to the poll, only 18% of the public say they or their families are better off now that the major provisions of the health care law have been implemented.
 
http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2014/07/24/even-after-open-enrollment-activity-remains-unexpectedly-high-on-federal-health-insurance-exchange/comment-page-1/#comment-2853650

 
Only 18%.
 
Thanks again for the info, Ned.

rogerb on July 24, 2014 at 1:23 PM

“Meh. So long as people think what we want who cares.”
-Obama
-Supremes
-Democrats

Gatsu on July 24, 2014 at 1:25 PM

I wonder whatever happened to Chad Henderson.

Happy Nomad on July 24, 2014 at 1:28 PM

And as Ned Pepper helpfully pointed out, Obamacare only helped 18% of the people using it.

Only 18%.

rogerb on July 24, 2014 at 1:23 PM

But they are a very important 18%. We allegedly owe their ancestors.

Rix on July 24, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Lets see. Inducing a consumer to purchase a product by color of law, then promising subsidies for the purchase which are not legal, and promising insurance to that consumer which may or may not be valid…….only in America!

NYCMike on July 24, 2014 at 1:33 PM

The Incomparable Lightness of Being….Incompetent.

Another Drew on July 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Mark my words – democrats will be openly running on ACA in November.

Judge_Dredd on July 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM

And what about the website’s lack of security? Can anyone still get private data from the site? Identity thieves dream! Is the site still larded up with malware and viruses?

Just curious.

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Ed –
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verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

(H/T NotCoach)

I’m sue they just need a little more time ….

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 24, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Heh. Never gets old. Where has brainfart been, anyway?

Also need the quote that goes something like: “But surely, Ed, you can’t expect the site to be 100% on day XXX.”

MisterElephant on July 24, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Mark my words – democrats will be openly running on ACA in November.

Judge_Dredd on July 24, 2014 at 1:38 PM

brainfree said that. I predict libturds will be openly running AWAY from that albatross in November.

And the invasion of the illegals

And the IRS

And Benghazi

And the VA

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 1:41 PM

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 24, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Hee-hee!

MisterElephant on July 24, 2014 at 1:41 PM

OT:

Did you all see the IRS now claims they found the “Backup Tapes?”

ROFL!

Mysteriously showed up from the third party backup company they contracted and then terminated just after the investigation started.

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 1:43 PM

brainfree said that.

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Yep. Brainfree did say that. And so did I. But never misunderestimate the dumbassidity of the republicans. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory since 1960.

Judge_Dredd on July 24, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Judge_Dredd on July 24, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Yeah, it’s very sad isn’t it?

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Also after 2012 do not misunderestimate the stupidity of the electorate.

Judge_Dredd on July 24, 2014 at 1:47 PM

To be fair, as Investors Business Daily notes, we have opened up vast new vistas for fraud.

I got an email from Nigeria yesterday telling me I could get Obamacare approved health insurance from the former king’s state exchange. I just had to approve a bank draft for $21,000 for 1 year of coverage.

It’s obviously a fraud since that would be $2,500 less than what I paid last year for my family of four.

s1im on July 24, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Patience, everyone! Someday, we can count on Øbamacare running as efficiently and effectively as the VA.

DimsdalePiranha on July 24, 2014 at 1:48 PM

You can’t develop robust secure software while you’re busy dramatically changing the rules. The problem is that Obamacare rules and even basic procedures, still now, are moving targets.

RBMN on July 24, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Got notice today that my premiums are going up 40%. From $67 to $121.

Yay. I’m about to be uninsured this year. Geaux me.

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coolrepublica on June 26, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2014 at 1:51 PM

So far as ‘restricted access’ goes, here’s a thought: You get what you pay for!

GarandFan on July 24, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Okaaayyy.
By now!

Judge_Dredd on July 24, 2014 at 1:53 PM

DimsdalePiranha on July 24, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Yeah that will be something. Read three new horror stories on that.

Marine gets locked in.

Another guy with cancer gets rejected for help and told to get a job

And still more whistleblowers are getting retaliation by their superiors.

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Nope, the backend still isn’t working. The backend will never work, either. When you have a bunch of bureaucrats dictating the ever-moving goalposts of what third-string programmers should be creating – this is what you get.

But I repeat myself.

Turtle317 on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

A new study shows that the Affordable Care Act has enabled ten million previously uninsured Americans to get health insurance. Ten million people.

Using Gallup polling and HHS data, Harvard researchers estimate that the uninsured rate declined by 5.2 percentage points in the second quarter of this year, corresponding to 10.3 million adults gaining coverage — although that could range from 7.3 to 17.2 million depending on how the data are interpreted. [...]
There was a major difference between the states that expanded Medicaid under the health law — where it caused the uninsured rate to dip by an estimated 5.1 percent — and those that didn’t, where there wasn’t any statistical change associated with Medicaid enrollment.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/new-england-journal-of-medicine-report-obamacare-109304.html#ixzz38PBACUB3

An astonishing 72 percent of Republicans, and 64 percent of conservatives, say the law hasn’t helped anyone.

I marvel at the continuing ability of conservatives to simply construct their own version of reality where they’re right and the events of the actual world simply don’t happen. And note that with that success in lowering uninsured rates from expanding Medicaid, the denial of expanded Medicaid coverage in conservative states should be considered very nearly a crime. And note that if Obama had somehow blocked those states’ expanded coverage, they’d be impeaching him right now.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

finally a topic verbaluce wants to discuss!

gwelf on July 24, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Turtle317 on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Third string foreign guest workers. the current vendor is a famous H1 shop. Does everyone know what an H1 shop is?

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 1:56 PM

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 24, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Good thing no one complains about wasting bandwidth anymore. Whatever that is or was!

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Not knowing who raised the surrender flags on the NY bridge, and this, are more signs at how low the US has sunk.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2014 at 1:58 PM

I marvel at the continuing ability of conservatives to simply construct their own version of reality where they’re right and the events of the actual world simply don’t happen. And note that with that success in lowering uninsured rates from expanding Medicaid, the denial of expanded Medicaid coverage in conservative states should be considered very nearly a crime. And note that if Obama had somehow blocked those states’ expanded coverage, they’d be impeaching him right now.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Ha ha ha.

Got that everyone?

Rates are going down!
Medicaid works!
10 million now insured that weren’t previously!

And I’m sure they got to keep their doctor, aren’t stuck in worthless provider networks, and aren’t paying for care they don’t need so they can subsidize other people.

It working just fine.

You wing nuts need to learn the facts!

gwelf on July 24, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Using Gallup polling and HHS data, Harvard researchers estimate that the uninsured rate declined by 5.2 percentage points in the second quarter of this year, corresponding to 10.3 million adults gaining coverage

Ned Pepper – Koolaid Drinker

Using HHS data – Harvard researchers ESTIMATE………..

Still NO HARD DATA.

Take another drink Ned!

GarandFan on July 24, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Third string foreign guest workers. the current vendor is a famous H1 shop. Does everyone know what an H1 shop is?

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 1:56 PM

I assume you mean the H-1B shop. Yes. And to help quell others who would say there are smart enough people to build that monstrosity, I can only counter with: The smart ones won’t touch it.

Turtle317 on July 24, 2014 at 1:59 PM

A new study shows that the Affordable Care Act has enabled ten million previously uninsured Americans to get health insurance. Ten million people.

Of which 2/3rds are illegals. Fluke yourself, until you hurt. We’ll pour lime juice on you.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

If you believe that ten million figure you are quite ignorant possibly even deliberately militantly so. No one has any real idea how many have signed up and how many actually have coverage or how many have actually paid a monthly premium.

Tell me do you believe the unemployment numbers too? They are also false.

Let me guess do you believe the GDP numbers also? They are faked TOO.

Every piece of information the government puts out is a lie. WAKE UP.

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Ned is a plagiarist, like Zacharia, Kearns and the D dummy of Montana.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Wow Neddie! 10 million people? And Politico no less?

Huh…

Judge_Dredd on July 24, 2014 at 2:00 PM

I wonder if you can buy Obamacare on the black market, yet? Future headline: 150 million Chinese nationals are now covered by Obamacare!!

Deano1952 on July 24, 2014 at 2:01 PM

I marvel at the continuing ability of conservatives to simply construct their own version of reality where they’re right and the events of the actual world simply don’t happen. And note that with that success in lowering uninsured rates from expanding Medicaid, the denial of expanded Medicaid coverage in conservative states should be considered very nearly a crime. And note that if Obama had somehow blocked those states’ expanded coverage, they’d be impeaching him right now.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Studies are great. Like that well-respected Oregon study that showed Medicaid was completely worthless except for slightly boosting people’s sense of health security.

So, please keep telling is how awesome it is that millions of people have been shifted on to Medicaid.

Any word yet on if ObamaCare is going to live up to it’s promise to grow the economy and reduce the debt?

gwelf on July 24, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Shhhhh…..we don’t talk about obamacare around here anymore.

everdiso on July 22, 2014 at 1:27 PM

The Schaef on July 24, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Turtle317 on July 24, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Yes, they did.

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 2:02 PM

I marvel at the continuing ability of conservatives to simply construct their own version of reality where they’re right and the events of the actual world simply don’t happen.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

This from the guy who deems Obamacare a raging success immediately after citing an article which effectively said that the only part of Obamacare that actually impacted the uninsured rate was the expansion of Medicaid.

Makes one feel pretty good about all that other market disruption to the tune of two trillion dollars.

The Schaef on July 24, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Turtle317 on July 24, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Yeah around here we drop the B and just call them H1 shops, buy yes, that’s what I meant.

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Wow Neddie! 10 million people? And Politico no less?

Huh…

Judge_Dredd on July 24, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Nobody tell Ned that this totally contradicts other HHS estimates – when HHS was willing to actually divulge information.

For that 10 million uninsured number to be correct HHS would have to revise UP it’s estimate of how many people enrolled on the exchanges, drastically revise DOWN it’s estimate of how many of those people previously had health insurance but lost it DUE to ObamaCare.

gwelf on July 24, 2014 at 2:06 PM

A new study shows that the Affordable Care Act has enabled ten million previously uninsured Americans to get health insurance. Ten million people…
 
Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

 
That’s the problem with not being able to do math.
 
Only 5.6 million of them (best case scenario) were previously uninsured and/or previously ineligible for Medicaid.
 
Per Kaiser:
 
http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/survey-of-non-group-health-insurance-enrollees-findings-final1.pdf
 
And Politifact
 
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/feb/25/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-medicaid-expansion-has-brought-h/

rogerb on July 24, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Finally. An actual scandal.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Girl, bye.

slickwillie2001 on July 24, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Makes one feel pretty good about all that other market disruption to the tune of two trillion dollars.

The Schaef on July 24, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Imagine if that $2 trillion were allowed to stay in the pockets of the taxpayers.

Sacrilege in the modern progressive dystopia, I know, but… what if?

Turtle317 on July 24, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Turtle317 on July 24, 2014 at 2:07 PM

That’s an amazing amount of cash for an enterprise web app with no back end that doesn’t actually work, reveals your identity data and infects your PC with malware.

I am certain we could have done that for a lot less.

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 2:09 PM

I guess we may as well quote the politifact Medicaid enrollment article
 

The administration’s 6.3 million figure includes a lot of the “churn” in Medicaid that has nothing to do with the new law’s Medicaid expansion, as well as new sign-ups of people who were previously eligible for Medicaid — and thus were not granted “access to health care for the first time because of Medicaid expansion,” in Obama’s words.

The actual number is estimated to be between one-seventh and two-fifths of what Obama said it was. We rate the claim False.
 
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/feb/25/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-medicaid-expansion-has-brought-h/

rogerb on July 24, 2014 at 2:09 PM

And note that with that success in lowering uninsured rates from expanding Medicaid, the denial of expanded Medicaid coverage in conservative states should be considered very nearly a crime. And note that if Obama had somehow blocked those states’ expanded coverage, they’d be impeaching him right now.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Did you know that the states didn’t want to expand Medicaid because it would lead to runaway spending? All for a program that has been shown to be a complete failure?

gwelf on July 24, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Girl literally no one cares. Alternate: You have such cute names for your imaginary scandals.

Judge_Dredd on July 24, 2014 at 2:11 PM

I am certain we could have done that for a lot less.

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Hey, if I were mean and malicious, I could do it over a weekend and charge ONLY a cool $1 million.

…and I probably wouldn’t even have to write code.

…and I shouldn’t say IF, I guess I really am malicious and mean.

Turtle317 on July 24, 2014 at 2:11 PM

…the denial of expanded Medicaid coverage in conservative states should be considered very nearly a crime.
 
Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

 
Sorry that people are obeying your law, btw.

rogerb on July 24, 2014 at 2:12 PM

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 24, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Good thing no one complains about wasting bandwidth anymore. Whatever that is or was!

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Barely 10KB total. Shouldn’t hurt the bandwidth too much.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 24, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Righting softwares is hard.

Tsar of Earth on July 24, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Did you know that the states didn’t want to expand Medicaid because it would lead to runaway spending? All for a program that has been shown to be a complete failure?

gwelf on July 24, 2014 at 2:10 PM

And how quickly they forget that to get their 60th vote, they promised Ben Nelson that the feds would pick up all the cost incurred by his state.

That’s $100 million extra he would have had to budget for Nebraska, a state with a smaller population than the greater metropolitan area (MSA) of Columbus, Ohio.

The Schaef on July 24, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Turtle317 on July 24, 2014 at 2:11 PM

A bargain!

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM

A new study shows that the Affordable Care Act has enabled ten million previously uninsured Americans to get health insurance. Ten million people. I marvel at the continuing ability of conservatives to simply construct their own version of reality where they’re right and the events of the actual world simply don’t happen. And note that with that success in lowering uninsured rates from expanding Medicaid, the denial of expanded Medicaid coverage in conservative states should be considered very nearly a crime. And note that if Obama had somehow blocked those states’ expanded coverage, they’d be impeaching him right now.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

CNN poll says Americans were hurt by ObamaCare by a 2 to 1 margin over helped.

Underwater by over 15 points on RCP.

America clearly sides with us, jackass.

Chuck Schick on July 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM

And how quickly they forget that to get their 60th vote, they promised Ben Nelson that the feds would pick up all the cost incurred by his state.

That’s $100 million extra he would have had to budget for Nebraska, a state with a smaller population than the greater metropolitan area (MSA) of Columbus, Ohio.

The Schaef on July 24, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Oh, yeah. The Cornhusker Kickback!

gwelf on July 24, 2014 at 2:22 PM

A new study shows that the Affordable Care Act has enabled ten million previously uninsured Americans to get health insurance. Ten million people.
Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Half of that number is medicaid sign-ups.

Patriot Vet on July 24, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Ned Pecker on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Haven’t you got a Traveler scam to run on some poor homeowners today?

slickwillie2001 on July 24, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Ned sure does get touchy when we don’t all cheer for his precious savior’s big gubmint.

CurtZHP on July 24, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Half of that number is medicaid sign-ups.

Patriot Vet on July 24, 2014 at 2:27 PM

So?

Medicaid expansion is one of the pillars of Obamacare!!

King Barry wanted poor people to get healthcare and not use emergency rooms.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM

This RAND study has the exchange number at 1.4 million and the medicaid at 3.6 million.

Of those who were previously uninsured but are now insured, 7.2 million gained ESI, 3.6 million are now covered by Medicaid, 1.4 million signed up through the marketplaces, and the remainder gained coverage through other sources.

Granted, this sample size is small, but that doesn’t mean they are wrong.

Patriot Vet on July 24, 2014 at 2:32 PM

OT:

Did you all see the IRS now claims they found the “Backup Tapes?”

ROFL!

Mysteriously showed up from the third party Rose Mary Woods Gaps-R-Us™ backup company they contracted and then terminated just after the investigation started.

dogsoldier on July 24, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Tsar of Earth on July 24, 2014 at 2:33 PM

MisterElephant on July 24, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Timing is a beautiful thing.

Closet Optimist on July 24, 2014 at 2:33 PM

Last data I see on the uninsured is 13.4% on May 5. Funny how I don’t see anything on what the current uninsured rate is.

I keep hearing Pravda… er, the MSM saying that “more people are signing up every day,” but I don’t see anything tangible.

Maybe it’s the mean ol’ IT geek in me….

Turtle317 on July 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Remember, Ned, that the majority of those enrolling in Medicaid were already eligible. See the polifact link above.
 
Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion had nothing to do with their coverage.
 
Regardless,
 

A new study shows that the Affordable Care Act has enabled ten million previously uninsured Americans to get health insurance. Ten million people.
 

There was a major difference between the states that expanded Medicaid…

 
Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

 
Come to think of it, I’m fine with this 10 million number.
 
July 2014:
 

New enrollments in Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion and other healthcare programs for the poor have reached 6.7 million people since the launch of President Barack Obama’s healthcare reforms last year, the administration said on Friday
 
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/daily-reports/2014/july/14/medicaid-expansion.aspx

 
So your current ten million minus 6.7 million is 3.3 million previously uninsured who actually bought insurance, which corresponds almost exactly to Tlaloc’s numbers here:
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/26/obama-on-climate-change-how-about-these-anti-science-conspiracy-theorists-in-congress-amirite/comment-page-2/#comment-8241950
 
Thanks for the link, Ned.

rogerb on July 24, 2014 at 2:36 PM

So?

Medicaid expansion is one of the pillars of Obamacare!!

King Barry wanted poor people to get healthcare and not use emergency rooms.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM

from what I’ve read it hasn’t worked out that way.

wifarmboy on July 24, 2014 at 2:37 PM

And he’s king now?

wifarmboy on July 24, 2014 at 2:38 PM

King Barry wanted poor people to get “insurance” that no doctor will accept.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Edited for accuracy.

22044 on July 24, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Boehner: GOP ‘Not There Yet’ On A Plan To Replace Obamacare

House Speaker John Boehner said Thursday that Republicans are still working on a plan to replace Obamacare that they can coalesce around.

“You know, the discussions about Obamacare and what the replacement bill would look like continue. We’re trying to build consensus around one plan,” the Ohio Republican told reporters. “Not there yet.”

The Affordable Care Act was enacted in March of 2010. In the more than four years since, Republicans have promised to “repeal and replace” the law but party leaders have not offered a health care reform plan of their own.

Not there yet?
LOL!!! They’ve only had five years to come up with an alternative.
They’ll NEVER get there.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 2:40 PM

We had an alternative $1.76 trillion and millions (billions?) in increased premiums ago.

rogerb on July 24, 2014 at 2:42 PM

… and Special nEd shows up with some much needed comic relief.

Take a bow nEd.

Closet Optimist on July 24, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Not there yet?
LOL!!! They’ve only had five years to come up with an alternative.
They’ll NEVER get there.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 2:40 PM

It’s not federal business in the first place. State level at most.

wifarmboy on July 24, 2014 at 2:43 PM

So?

Medicaid expansion is one of the pillars of Obamacare!!

King Barry wanted poor people to get healthcare and not use emergency rooms.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Since there is no sarc tag at the end of that, I will venture to guess that you are serious with that remark.

If medicaid is so great, why not let everyone onto that amazing program for healthcare? Well, because they don’t pay enough to DR’s under it. DR’s actually have to help pay for services that medicaid patients use. That means they lose money. Hence, they are not accepting anymore medicaid patients.

If King Barry wanted people to not use emergency rooms and have ‘good’ healthcare, he wouldn’t be putting so many people on medicaid. It is forcing them into the emergency rooms.

Medicaid: Hinders Access to Care, Fails to Meet Patients’ Needs

A number of academic studies over the years have illustrated that Medicaid patients have consistently had poor access to care and that Medicaid fails to meet important needs:

A 1992 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association examined hospitalizations in Massachusetts and Maryland.[13] The study found that Medicaid and uninsured patients were statistically more likely than privately insured patients to be hospitalized for avoidable conditions such as pneumonia and diabetes.

A 2007 study in Health Affairs examined access to specialty services for patients who receive primary care from community health centers.[14] The study found that Medicaid recipients have significantly more difficulty accessing specialty care than privately insured patients.

A 2012 study in Health Affairs examined physicians’ willingness to accept new patients. Using survey data from a nationally representative sample, the study found that nearly one-third of physicians nationwide will not accept new Medicaid patients. Doctors in smaller practices, as well as doctors in metropolitan areas, are among the least inclined to accept new Medicaid patients.[15] The authors’ results suggest that this reluctance may largely be a consequence of Medicaid’s poor payment rates to doctors.

Given these findings in the peer-reviewed literature, it is not surprising that Medicaid patients often arrive at emergency rooms in poor, and in many cases, untreatable condition. In fact, research has shown that Medicaid and CHIP patients end up in emergency rooms even more frequently than uninsured patients.[16]

Expanding Medicaid Reduces Access to Health Care

The main reason is that Medicaid underpays doctors and hospitals to care for Medicaid beneficiaries. Medicaid’s reimbursement rates are around half of those paid by private insurers. In many cases, Medicaid pays doctors less than it costs to care for Medicaid patients, meaning that doctors face the choice of caring for the poor, and going broke, or shutting their doors to Medicaid patients.

Yeah, medicaid is great.

Patriot Vet on July 24, 2014 at 2:45 PM

BTW, $1.76 trillion divided by 10 million people?
 
$176,000 per person, and it only lasts ten years.
 
$17,600 per person per year for ten years.

rogerb on July 24, 2014 at 2:46 PM

They’ve only had five years to come up with an alternative.
They’ll NEVER get there.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 2:40 PM

The admin has had almost the same amount of time to build a working website … NOT THERE YET. When do you reckon they’ll get around to building the backend?

Keep it coming, nEd.

Closet Optimist on July 24, 2014 at 2:46 PM

It’s not federal business in the first place. State level at most.

wifarmboy on July 24, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Tell that to Boehner.. LOL! He is trying to build consensus in the Crazy Caucus!!

Good Luck with convincing Louie Goehmert (R-Benghaziiii!!!) and Michelle Bachmann (R – Crazy Eyes)

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 2:47 PM

FWIW, if each of the 10 million lived 79 years the $1.76T of federal (taxpayer) money would’ve paid $2K+ in premiums for each of them from birth to death.
 
And that $1.76T doesn’t count the amount the trillions the rest of us will pay privately in increased premiums.

rogerb on July 24, 2014 at 2:48 PM

$2K in annual premiums, that is.

rogerb on July 24, 2014 at 2:49 PM

King Barry wanted poor people to get healthcare and not use emergency rooms.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM

USA Today:

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — It wasn’t supposed to work this way, but since the Affordable Care Act took effect in January, Norton Hospital has seen its packed emergency room become even more crowded, with about 100 more patients a month.

Oops. Another King Barry unintended consequence. Or outright lie.
Also, what are the stats on how many of the “newly insured” are actually able to afford the deductibles on a King Barry bronze health care plan? Or even a silver plan?

bobthm3 on July 24, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM Man what are smoking?? Seriously your lucky if Obamacare has a million legit signups but given the law changes every day in O’s head no knows hoe many actual signups there are and that 10 million number is more bullshitty then O’s fake numbers…

sorrowen on July 24, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Ned, you are hilarious. I never knew stupid had a first name.

itsspideyman on July 24, 2014 at 2:55 PM

So?

Medicaid expansion is one of the pillars of Obamacare!!

King Barry wanted poor people to get healthcare and not use emergency rooms.

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM

ER usage has risen under ObamaCare and Medicaid money is temporary. It’s still a horrible bankrupt program that will soon go back to cuts and downsizing.

Chuck Schick on July 24, 2014 at 2:56 PM

You get what you vote for.

formwiz on July 24, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Also the IRS enforcement branch got defunded by the house so Obamacare literally has no teeth at all. Plus the recent rulings and confusion about its legality as a whole are combing into play.

sorrowen on July 24, 2014 at 3:00 PM

National Journal reported this week that doomsayer predictions about the 2015 escalations would prove incorrect, and that price hikes would be “less than 10 percent – nominal hikes in line with standard increases that have happened every year with or without Obamacare.”

Ok, lets look at the data we have so far.

Florida?
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2014/July/21/Florida-Blue-insurance-rates-exchange-marketplace.aspx

Two reporting, 14.1% increase and 11.6% increase.

Tennesse?
http://www.tennessean.com/story/money/industries/health-care/2014/07/16/bluecross-requests-rate-increase-percent/12730893/

19% increase.

New York?
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/health-insurers-big-rate-increases-2015-state-regulators-blog-entry-1.1853654

Average 13% increase.

Denver Colorado?

http://www.healthnewscolorado.org/2014/07/02/sicker-denver-patients-prompt-rate-hikes-while-rates-stay-flat-in-western-colorado/

17.5% increase.

So don’t worry, they’ll be under 10% easily… and range from 11-19% for the top hits on google for the search criteria of:
health care rate increase 2015

Do I laugh or cry now?

gekkobear on July 24, 2014 at 3:07 PM

NEJM joins in: 5 major surveys confirm U.S. uninsured down 11-13 Million due to ACA

The New England Journal of Medicine just published a new report which concludes (shocker) that there’s been a net reduction in the number of uninsured U.S. adults by around 10.3 million since the ACA exchanges went into effect:

As compared with the baseline trend, the uninsured rate declined by 5.2 percentage points by the second quarter of 2014, a 26% relative decline from the 2012–2013 period. Combined with 2014 Census estimates of 198 million adults 18 to 64 years of age,19 this corresponds to 10.3 million adults gaining coverage, although depending on the model and confidence intervals, our sensitivity analyses imply a wide range from 7.3 to 17.2 million adults.

They go on to note that this is right in line with numerous other national surveys/studies by the RAND Corp, Gallup, the Urban Institute and the Commonwealth Fund.

In addition, like those other surveys, the NEJM study does not include children under 18, who make up around 23% of the population. That’s around 72 million children; even accounting for the fact that kids are more likely to already be covered, you can almost certainly add another 2 million or so to the 10.3 million adults (2M out of 72M is just 2.7%, vs. the 5% or so drop in uncovered adults which the various surveys have found). Heck, even if you assume just 700,000 children nationally (less than 1% of them), that would still bring the total net reduction in uninsured to at least 11 million. The other 4 studies range from 8 – 10 million adults, so somewhere between 11-13 million total seems certain at this point.

http://acasignups.net/14/07/24/nejm-joins-5-major-surveys-confirm-us-uninsured-down-11-13-million-due-aca

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Yes, Ned, we know. We’ve already covered it.
 
7 million medicaid, 3 million semi-paying enrollees.

rogerb on July 24, 2014 at 3:10 PM

They go on to note that this is right in line with numerous other national surveys/studies by the RAND Corp
Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM

I linked to that paper, genius. Here is how they got to that number:

Employer-based

Of those who were previously uninsured but are now insured, 7.2 million gained ESI,

Ned Supreme Medicaid/Emergency Room Special

3.6 million are now covered by Medicaid,

Still Buggy Federal Back-end Deficient Marketplace

1.4 million signed up through the marketplaces,

Smart People Forgoing and getting the same as the Ned Supreme

and the remainder gained coverage through other sources.

Numbers aren’t your strong suit, are they?

Patriot Vet on July 24, 2014 at 3:19 PM

nEd is a “Can’t see the forest for the trees” kinda guy.

He has his one point and ignores any countervailing argument. He doesn’t want to confuse himself with details.

Closet Optimist on July 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Ned Pepper on July 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Ned,when they come to collect you all of us will let them.

docflash on July 24, 2014 at 3:26 PM

New York?
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/health-insurers-big-rate-increases-2015-state-regulators-blog-entry-1.1853654

Average 13% increase.

Interesting side note here: The New York state government controlled insurance care was abysmal, and O-Care was supposed to be cheaper!

13% increase? Over the crappy state-run New York Care plan?

Turtle317 on July 24, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Ned sure is nervous about anyone messing with his Sugar Daddy Gubmint handouts.

Perpetually dependent is no way to go through life.

CurtZHP on July 24, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Who’s the blonde lady? She’s cute.

ConstantineXI on July 24, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Who’s the blonde lady? She’s cute.

ConstantineXI on July 24, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Have some coffee.

CurtZHP on July 24, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Have some coffee.

CurtZHP on July 24, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Hey, I’m 42, unmarried, and haven’t dated in forever. My standards are low. She appears to be female, doesn’t have a Sally Kohn/Rachel Madcow dykecut and reasonably attractive in the face.

ConstantineXI on July 24, 2014 at 3:53 PM

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