Ukraine rebel leader: Yeah, we had a BUK system — and sent it back to Russia

posted at 2:01 pm on July 23, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Well, well, well. Reuters’ exclusive interview with the commander of the Vostok Battalion of Ukrainian rebels sticks a dagger through the heart of Russian denials of responsibility for the Malaysia Air Flight 17 shootdown, and creates all sorts of headaches for Vladimir Putin. Contradicting nearly a week of denials, Alexander Khodakovsky admits that rebel forces had possession of a BUK missile system that would have been used to attack the commercial flight — and that it may have gone back to Russia afterward to cover up their involvement:

“I knew that a BUK came from Luhansk. At the time I was told that a BUK from Luhansk was coming under the flag of the LNR,” he said, referring to the Luhansk People’s Republic, the main rebel group operating in Luhansk, one of two rebel provinces along with Donetsk, the province where the crash took place.

“That BUK I know about. I heard about it. I think they sent it back. Because I found out about it at exactly the moment that I found out that this tragedy had taken place. They probably sent it back in order to remove proof of its presence,” Khodakovsky told Reuters on Tuesday.

Not surprisingly, Khodakovsky still blames the Kyiv government for provoking the attack on MH17 anyway:

“The question is this: Ukraine received timely evidence that the volunteers have this technology, through the fault of Russia. It not only did nothing to protect security, but provoked the use of this type of weapon against a plane that was flying with peaceful civilians,” he said.

“They knew that this BUK existed; that the BUK was heading  for Snezhnoye,” he said, referring to a village 10 km (six miles) west of the crash site. “They knew that it would be deployed there, and provoked the use of this BUK by starting an air strike on a target they didn’t need, that their planes hadn’t touched for a week.”

“And that day, they were intensively flying, and exactly at the moment of the shooting, at the moment the civilian plane flew overhead, they launched air strikes. Even if there was a BUK, and even if the BUK was used, Ukraine did everything to ensure that a civilian aircraft was shot down.”

In other words, the rebel leader reached the same conclusion as everyone else — that the rebel forces fired on the plane thinking it was a military transport. Khodakovsky wants to push the responsibility for that onto Kyiv, but that’s nonsense for at least two reasons. First, the airspace above Ukraine — especially commercial airspace — belongs to Ukraine, not the LNR or any other rebel group. Even if Khodakovsky wants to dispute that, it’s still incumbent on forces in war to check on aircraft transiting a disputed zone before firing on it. The US took responsibility for the 1988 Iran Air shootdown by the USS Vincennes for that reason, paying significant damages for killing 290 passengers on board.

Up to now, Putin has insisted that Russia didn’t supply the rebels with any system that could have shot down MH17, and denied that the rebels even had that capability at all. Khodakovsky’s admission that rebels not only had the system but that it was located in Snezhnoye — where US intel pegged the launch site — destroys Putin’s claims. And the fact that the rebels sent it back to Russia to hide their culpability means that Russia collaborated in the cover-up, becoming an accessory after the fact to mass murder while claiming to be entirely innocent in the matter.

This should prompt a significant escalation in sanctions, especially from the EU, but also from the US. Will it?


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Ukraine rebel leader: Yeah, we had a BUK system — and sent it back to Russia… empty.

viking01 on July 23, 2014 at 2:04 PM

“They knew that this BUK existed; that the BUK was heading for Snezhnoye,” he said, referring to a village 10 km (six miles) west of the crash site. “They knew that it would be deployed there, and provoked the use of this BUK by starting an air strike on a target they didn’t need, that their planes hadn’t touched for a week.”

“And that day, they were intensively flying, and exactly at the moment of the shooting, at the moment the civilian plane flew overhead, they launched air strikes. Even if there was a BUK, and even if the BUK was used, Ukraine did everything to ensure that a civilian aircraft was shot down.”

Let’s blame the victim.

Ukraine HAS BEEN INVADED by Russia. There is only one man to blame here, Putin.

It’s too bad the CIA doesn’t do assassinations anymore, get Putin and the place will probably devolve into civil war.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Obama knew about this before we read it.

faraway on July 23, 2014 at 2:07 PM

“… and creates all sorts of headaches for Vladimir Putin.” is a narrative that is utterly pointless.

—I might be mistaken but separatists captured Ukrainian BUK systems weeks ago and proudly displayed by them as booty.

Please stop with the “Uh oh, now Putin is in big trouble” talk because until he is stopped he is not…

mjbrooks3 on July 23, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Somehow, “Oops” just doesn’t quite cut it…

JohnGalt23 on July 23, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Obama knew about this before we read it.

faraway on July 23, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Yeah, but he didn’t become mad as hell till he saw it in the newspaper.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Yeah but…CIA.

Bishop on July 23, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Just passing the BUK.

Flange on July 23, 2014 at 2:12 PM

This should prompt a significant escalation in sanctions, especially from the EU, but also from the US. Will it?

No. Putin rules. And Europe knows it and Obama is cool with it.

Walter L. Newton on July 23, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Interesting

NATO Exercise in Ukraine Coincided with MH-17 Shoot-down

Ukrainian Fighter Jets Hid Behind Passenger Plane, Pulled Away and Dropped Bombs, and Then Hid Behind Plane Once Again

SirGawain on July 23, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Yeah, but he didn’t become mad as hell till he saw it in the newspaper.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 2:09 PM

He wanted to make sure first that it was a tragedy.

redzap on July 23, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Yeah, but he didn’t become mad as hell till he saw it in the newspaper.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Yeah, it’s weird how that works.

faraway on July 23, 2014 at 2:14 PM

The BUK stops here.

faraway on July 23, 2014 at 2:15 PM

This should prompt a significant escalation in sanctions, especially from the EU, but also from the US. Will it?

No. Putin rules. And Europe knows it and Obama is cool with it.

Walter L. Newton on July 23, 2014 at 2:12 PM

King Putt will sign an EO that says Americans can no longer buy whatever brand of vodka Putin likes.
THAT’LL teach’em…..

dentarthurdent on July 23, 2014 at 2:18 PM

LilliPutin is the luckiest bastard.

He rules in the age of obama.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 2:19 PM

BUKed up beyond all recognition.

viking01 on July 23, 2014 at 2:19 PM

This should prompt a significant escalation in sanctions, especially from the EU, but also from the US. Will it?

Yes, right after khammaaass vows to stop killing Jews
;-)

burrata on July 23, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Lavrov to Kerry “If you don’t shut up, Iran and us will get rid of the US dollar for oil, get it?”

“Da, da, my friend, da”.

The West is dead broke.

End of story

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Yeah, but he didn’t become mad as hell till he saw it in the newspaper.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 2:09 PM

No reason to get mad – he gots him all kinds o’ flexibility now….

dentarthurdent on July 23, 2014 at 2:20 PM

The West is dead broke.
Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Yup.
And what happens if Putin gets China to foreclose on the US?

dentarthurdent on July 23, 2014 at 2:23 PM

The Russian defense ministry has already released satellite images of Ukrainian forces’ positions in SE Ukraine including a BUK missile site 8km from Luhansk. There is no proof a rocket was fired from rebel-held areas, however Russia says a U.S. satellite was flying over MH17 when it was downed. Then we heard the “leak” about Ukrainian rebels with a BUK. That was our own intelligence from the same satellite the Russians just mentioned. So, now we’re supposed to believe some Ukrainians who were just bragging that they took down a Russian supply plane while the U.S. continues blaming Russia?

“Oh, the sad family members and the caskets in the Netherlands.”

Why did MH17 divert 14km from its flight path near Donetsk?

Why does the media still talk like they know it was Russia when nobody has any proof?

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 2:24 PM

In other words, the rebel leader reached the same conclusion as everyone else — that the rebel forces fired on the plane thinking it was a military transport.

I’m surprised that we are not openly discussing another possibility, -that the Russian ‘soldiers’ manning the AA battery were drunk as skunks.

The Russians and their nominally-Ukrainian rebel allies are rampaging across Eastern Ukraine like mad wolves, living off the land they are conquering. They were drunk on stolen vodka. The least drunk among them saw a blip on a radar screen and staggered over to a control panel and pushed the big red button.

slickwillie2001 on July 23, 2014 at 2:25 PM

“The US took responsibility for the 1988 Iran Air shootdown by the USS Vincennes for that reason, paying significant damages for killing 290 passengers on board.”

We neither admitted our responsibility nor did we ever apologize to either Iran or victims’ relatives. We did pay reparations, about 8 years later as I recall. That was very slow payment as these things go. When Ukraine shot down the Israeli flight to Novosiborsk over 10 years ago, they initially denied it but admitted it and paid reparations after about 2 years. That is far more typical than what America did with Iran Air Flight 655.

Toocon on July 23, 2014 at 2:29 PM

And what happens if Putin gets China to foreclose on the US?

dentarthurdent on July 23, 2014 at 2:23 PM

The days of U.S. hegemony are well behind it, and it’s only a time until the USD is no longer the world’s reserve currency. Your leaders sold you out.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 2:30 PM

And what happens if Putin gets China to foreclose on the US?

dentarthurdent on July 23, 2014 at 2:23 PM

obama goes fundraising.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 2:30 PM

No reason to get mad – he gots him all kinds o’ flexibility now….

dentarthurdent on July 23, 2014 at 2:20 PM

One of the examples of that flexibility comes from the mild / weak White House complaint directed towards France for that country’s continued construction, training, and delivery of 2 helicopter assault carriers to Putin’s navy.

It’s going to get interesting in the EU as Britain and Netherlands seeth over both France and Germany being entirely uninterested in enacting substantial sanctions against Putin for his military’s role in the destruction of MH17 – not to mention more allies rethinking their position vis a vis Obama over his milquetoast sanctions directed at the Russian thug.

When Obama campaigned on changing how the world viewed the US, it was one of the rare times he was telling the truth. He just didn’t detail how he would change it.

Athos on July 23, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Probably not the best time for Khodakovsky to turn into Jack Nicholson on the witness stand in “A Few Good Men”. But given Obama and the EU leaders’ timidity, still not fatal for Putin. It may put a little more pressure on him to force an arrest and show trial for Khodakovsky or some other Ukrainian separatists, but really, that’s all Obama wants from Vlad anyway — just someone to blame, so he won’t face a direct confrontation with Putin if public pressure grows, and can simply say the problem’s been dealt with and the downed airliner’s now old news.

jon1979 on July 23, 2014 at 2:32 PM

And what happens if Putin gets China to foreclose on the US?

dentarthurdent on July 23, 2014 at 2:23 PM

It will be celebrated by Obama and so many of his advisers as they already admire the PRC – and that it will reflect a ‘fundamental change’. So it’s another campaign promise kept.

Athos on July 23, 2014 at 2:33 PM

And what happens if Putin gets China to foreclose on the US?

dentarthurdent on July 23, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Hussein community organizes millions to come out with signs and shout outside their local Chinese restaurants ?

burrata on July 23, 2014 at 2:34 PM

And what happens if Putin gets China to foreclose on the US?

dentarthurdent on July 23, 2014 at 2:23 PM

obama goes fundraising.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Then Golf, then some more fundraising, then he’ll get to the dithering phase of the crisis.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM

And what happens if Putin gets China to foreclose on the US?

dentarthurdent on July 23, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Obama’s lucky here in that China still hasn’t found a big enough alternative market for their doo-dads and nick-nacks than America. It would really have to take something for the Chinese to call in their obligations and sell their bonds, because if they crash the U.S. economy, they crash their own economy as well.

No point in shooting yourself in the foot when you can count on Brave Sir Robin in the White House never having the nerve to back up any of his threats, unless he convinces himself the Chinese are allied with Fox News or the Tea Party and could sic the NSA or the IRS on them.

jon1979 on July 23, 2014 at 2:37 PM

That rebels had BUK is not news to anyone who paid attention.

Ukrainians knew that and Russian knew (and lied about) that. As did Obama who bleated that Russia gave a BUK to Rebels. Ukranians at the time claimed that it was not operational, but obviously it has been fixed.

As much as it is tempting though to say that it concludes the matter, it is not settled.

BUK was sent to Russia on June 17 (the day Malaysian airline was downed). It looked like it was missing one missile. Closed case right?

Problem – a SU-25 was shot earlier that day. (Ukranians said it was likely done by a Russian fighter, but two more got shot down today in the same area, and they are not making that claim anymore)

Doesn’t mean that they didn’t do it (it is still likely they did), but then it doesn’t prove that they did.

Nevsky on July 23, 2014 at 2:37 PM

That BUK I know about. I heard about it. I think they sent it back. Because I found out about it at exactly the moment that I found out that this tragedy had taken place. They probably sent it back in order to remove proof of its presence,” K

” I heard about it… I think…” isn’t an admission. It’s just hearsay and speculation.

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 2:39 PM

The days of U.S. hegemony are well behind it, and it’s only a time until the USD is no longer the world’s reserve currency. Your leaders sold you out.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 2:30 PM

So what country do you represent?

slickwillie2001 on July 23, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Putin supports a bunch of BUKaneers.

KW64 on July 23, 2014 at 2:42 PM

We neither admitted our responsibility nor did we ever apologize to either Iran or victims’ relatives. We did pay reparations, about 8 years later as I recall. That was very slow payment as these things go. When Ukraine shot down the Israeli flight to Novosiborsk over 10 years ago, they initially denied it but admitted it and paid reparations after about 2 years. That is far more typical than what America did with Iran Air Flight 655.

Toocon on July 23, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Again with the lies and propaganda, we did admit we shot down the plan and said the reason was an error we made acting in self-defense of the ship. As posted in an earlier thread the ship was attacked several times creating a very tense situation and the plane in question did not identify itself and for some odd reason went into an unusual decent towards the ship.

You can believe or disbelieve the account but to say we did not admit culpability is a flat out lie.

Having some experience in such situations even the best trained will make mistakes given a failure to act quickly could result in the loss of everyone onboard. I am sure though you have no capacity to understand such stress and challenging circumstances and instead just pronounce judgment from your recliner.

Skwor on July 23, 2014 at 2:43 PM

First, the airspace above Ukraine — especially commercial airspace — belongs to Ukraine, not the LNR or any other rebel group.

And why didn’t Ukraine close the airspace above the war zone to commercial flights? Why were Ukrainian military craft flying near commercial flights? Were they basically using them as human shields?

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 2:48 PM

The days of U.S. hegemony are well behind it, and it’s only a time until the USD is no longer the world’s reserve currency. Your leaders sold you out.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Perhaps and if true you may regret being so enthused about it. Review your history and see what happens when the global power is absent in world affairs. You will find it not so appealing unless you seek mayhem, chaos and death that is.

Skwor on July 23, 2014 at 2:48 PM

No. Putin rules. And Europe knows it and Obama is cool with it.

Walter L. Newton on July 23, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Obama is just waiting for it to blow over, so he doesn’t actually have to do anything. It helped that it wasn’t an American-flag carrier, and that there was only one American (dual citizen) onboard. If this had been an American or United flight, with lots of Americans onboard, he’d have to stop golfing for awhile and look busy.

Ward Cleaver on July 23, 2014 at 2:50 PM

If this had been an American or United flight, with lots of Americans onboard, he’d have to stop golfing for awhile and look busy.

Ward Cleaver on July 23, 2014 at 2:50 PM

“Look busy” as in posing for a photo with a phone to his ear , and releasing it on twitter ?

burrata on July 23, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Toocon on July 23, 2014 at 2:29 PM

liar

jaime on July 23, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Meanwhile, more than 500 civilians have been killed by Ukrainian military shelling of cities, and over 500,000 refugees have fled across the border to Russia.

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-struggles-half-million-refugees-ukraine-conflict-015111404.html;_ylt=AwrTWf2ZBdBTkhEAlTXQtDMD

Basically, Ukraine is engaged in ethnic cleansing of its Russian population.

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Obumbler should invite Putin and Razak in for a friendly beer. That always works to calm the savage beasts.

Deano1952 on July 23, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 2:58 PM

You funny man!!

Deano1952 on July 23, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 2:58 PM

We have a lot of retards on here today.

jaime on July 23, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Strangely enough you post those same statistics day after day after day and the number is always 500.

Who knew that invading and starting a war to annex an entire region causes societal upheaval.

You should send a tweet to Pootie, apparently he’s unaware of this.

Bishop on July 23, 2014 at 3:08 PM

If this had been an American or United flight, with lots of Americans onboard, he’d have to stop golfing for awhile and look busy.

Ward Cleaver on July 23, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Hmm, probably looking busy with fundraising.

Athos on July 23, 2014 at 3:09 PM

And why didn’t Ukraine close the airspace above the war zone to commercial flights? Why were Ukrainian military craft flying near commercial flights? Were they basically using them as human shields?

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Why did Russia invade, why are they arming UKR rebels, why are you a spokesperson for the Pootie Poot Regime?

Bishop on July 23, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Perhaps and if true you may regret being so enthused about it. Review your history and see what happens when the global power is absent in world affairs. You will find it not so appealing unless you seek mayhem, chaos and death that is.

Skwor on July 23, 2014 at 2:48 PM

What saves a weak economy? War, and that seems to be what we’re agitating for.

Russia and Ukraine’s fight has nothing to do with our national security. I don’t think we need to “lead” on this or throw around accusations. We can’t even handle our own problems.

The only thing giving us any semblance of competence is the stock market, driven by the Fed policy of QE infinity and China gobbling up our assets. Chinese acquisitions have been driving a market rally.

As someone else pointed out, they have no reason to nuke the dollar while they own so many of our bonds. But they also don’t owe us any favors. That is because we already gave them everything.

We have no manufacturing. We can’t stop overspending. We’re out of ideas, because our kids are stupid. I’m not happy about any of this, but I’m not blaming Russia for our problems.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Ukraine rebel leader: Yeah, we had a BUK system — and sent it back to Russia

…it crashed…and has to be recycled?

JugEarsButtHurt on July 23, 2014 at 3:18 PM

f this had been an American or United flight, with lots of Americans onboard, he’d have to stop golfing for awhile and look busy.

Ward Cleaver on July 23, 2014 at 2:50 PM

It would look really bad if it turned out to be a false flag.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 3:19 PM

It would look really bad if it turned out to be a false flag.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Are you retarded or did your tin foil hat hall off?

jaime on July 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Isn’t it Liberal/EU tripe to hold the manufacturer of the weapon responsible for any killing it is used for??

So let’s start the court case so the victim’s next-of-kin can get their $10million each settlement before they too die.

KenInIL on July 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM

When did we let Alex Jones have an account?

Ward Cleaver on July 23, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Why did Russia invade, why are they arming UKR rebels, why are you a spokesperson for the Pootie Poot Regime?

Bishop on July 23, 2014 at 3:10 PM

All valid questions, but I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for an answer, let alone a cogent one.

Athos on July 23, 2014 at 3:27 PM

It’s too bad the CIA doesn’t do assassinations anymore, get Putin and the place will probably devolve into civil war.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 2:04 PM

One of the dumbest laws of the last 50 years is the Frank Church law that prohibits our military spy agencies from assassinating leaders of foreign countries… Imagine how much blood, treasure, suffering, and destruction we will save if we are allowed to decapitate the heads of enemies regimes..

mnjg on July 23, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 2:58 PM

We have a lot of retards on here today.

jaime on July 23, 2014 at 3:03 PM

No, not retards!

Kremlin/GRU Trolls who are most likely paid to spread the totally accurate truth misinformation supporting Putin and Russia!

You’ll find them crawling wherever Russia related articles are found on the web (especially those regarding Ukraine).

This is also the case with basically every broadcast of the Kremlin backed (aka controlled) RT news channel, which shamelessly conducts misinformation campaigns and concern trolling operations which even MSNBC can look to for inspiration.

Like Democrat political operatives, the GRU believes that LIVs will believe anything they say if its said often and loud enough.

JacobyB on July 23, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Strangely enough you post those same statistics day after day after day and the number is always 500.

Bishop on July 23, 2014 at 3:08 PM

You’re confused. Actually I’ve only posted that statistic a couple times, and both were in the past few days.

The Ukrainians themselves admitted that almost 500 civilians have been killed, and that was two weeks ago.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/10/Almost-500-Civilians-Killed-in-East-Ukraine-Since-Mid-April

I already linked the article about how 500,000 refugees have fled to Russia, but here it is again

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-struggles-half-million-refugees-ukraine-conflict-015111404.html;_ylt=AwrTWf2ZBdBTkhEAlTXQtDMD

If this is a Russian “invasion,” why are the people fleeing to Russia?

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 3:39 PM

If this is a Russian “invasion,” why are the people fleeing to Russia?

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Were people fleeing to Russia before they invaded Ukraine, why or why not; show your work.

As for the articles you linked, you missed this part:

Poroshenko has ruled out air strikes and artillery bombardment because of the large civilian population in Donetsk.

Seems as if artillery and air strikes would do wonders to ethnically cleanse a region.

Bishop on July 23, 2014 at 3:48 PM

I miss Reagan.

Pork-Chop on July 23, 2014 at 3:49 PM

In this way Obama and Putin are the same: They’re both liars.

sadatoni on July 23, 2014 at 3:49 PM

In this way Obama and Putin are the same: They’re both liars.

sadatoni on July 23, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Not only that, but both embrace fascism as well as ‘the ends justifies the means’.

Athos on July 23, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Poroshenko has ruled out air strikes and artillery bombardment because of the large civilian population in Donetsk.

Bishop on July 23, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Poroshenko is a liar. It’s beyond dispute that Donetsk is being shelled and bombed right now. .

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 4:01 PM

I miss Reagan.

Pork-Chop on July 23, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Reagan was no neocon. He would have thought that expanding NATO up to Russia’s border, and sponsoring a coup against an elected pro-Russian government in Ukraine (the event which precipitated this Ukrainian civil war) was insane.

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 4:06 PM

JacobyB on July 23, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Where is your proof that Russia shot down MH17? Until you can produce it, STFU.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 4:18 PM

One of the dumbest laws of the last 50 years is the Frank Church law that prohibits our military spy agencies from assassinating leaders of foreign countries… Imagine how much blood, treasure, suffering, and destruction we will save if we are allowed to decapitate the heads of enemies regimes..

mnjg on July 23, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Yeah, killing Saddam really accomplished a lot, didn’t it?

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 4:20 PM

They sent it back to Russia, but still downed another Ukrainian fighter jet yesterday. Something’s missing.

Esaus Message on July 23, 2014 at 4:25 PM

This should prompt a significant escalation in sanctions, especially from the EU, but also from the US. Will it?

He just shot down two more planes, I don’t think Putin’s sweating this much despite the apparent “gotchas”

E9RET on July 23, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Where is your proof that Russia shot down MH17? Until you can produce it, STFU.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 4:18 PM

I never said that Russia shot down the airliner. I personally don’t think that Russia itself would be stupid enough to purposefully fire on a civilian airliner filled with NATO citizens.

However, there is plenty of evidence that the Russian Separatist (who have been receiving large quantities of advanced military hardware, political volunteers (some of whom may or may not be active duty military) from Russia, and supposedly Chechnyan mercenaries as well) were the ones directly responsible.

IF IT WASN’T FOR RUSSIA SENDING ADVANCED WEAPONRY AND PROVIDING TRAINING TO USE THAT WEAPONRY THE AIRLINER WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SHOT DOWN BY A BUK AA SYSTEM (WHICH IS THE ONLY THING IN THAT AREA CAPABLE OF TAKING OUT A JET TRAVELING OVER 30,000 FEET IN THE AIR).

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Here are three recent news articles that appear to further the case that the Russian backed Separatists, with the aid of Russian, are responsible:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/23/us-ukraine-crisis-commander-exclusive-idUSKBN0FS1V920140723?irpc=932

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10984530/MH17-the-clues-which-may-lead-to-missile-launch-site.html

http://news.yahoo.com/nato-sees-signs-weapons-still-moving-russia-ukraine-194137814.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

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The days of U.S. hegemony are well behind it, and it’s only a time until the USD is no longer the world’s reserve currency. Your leaders sold you out.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 2:30 PM

So what country do you represent?

slickwillie2001 on July 23, 2014 at 2:40 PM

f this had been an American or United flight, with lots of Americans onboard, he’d have to stop golfing for awhile and look busy.

Ward Cleaver on July 23, 2014 at 2:50 PM

It would look really bad if it turned out to be a false flag.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 3:19 PM

These quotes, as well as others you have made on this thread (including your response to my message which said nothing about the recent tragedy, but instead was only pointing out the Kremlin/GRU’s efforts to spread misinformation/Russian propaganda) lead me to believe that you are nothing more than a Russian troll.

I could be wrong about that, but somehow I get the feeling that I’m not.

JacobyB on July 23, 2014 at 5:12 PM

It appears Putin has many useful idiots in the west just as Lenin and Stalin had.

Cecil Corn on July 23, 2014 at 5:54 PM

This is great anylist on a angle i did not figure. hattip olespook InFromTheCold

http://formerspook.blogspot.com/2014/07/linked.html

Long story short it explains why that Buk launcher was sent over the border in such a rush. Very simply it had the smokin gun inside showing direct Russian involvement in the shoot down. The Buk is the launcher of a system with limited ability on its own to find targets to fix. That leans to some Russian systems lending targeting data to the rebel Buk the smokin gun was the fact that the Buk would be recording all that solution for review later. Even if deleted it would have still been available on the hard drive. As we all have learned recently is the only way to lose data is destroy the hardrive a good sweep just doesn’t cut it.

C-Low on July 23, 2014 at 6:24 PM

This should prompt a significant escalation in sanctions, especially from the EU, but also from the US. Will it?

No.

jbspry on July 23, 2014 at 8:18 PM