Putin signals total disregard for the West as rebels take down two more Ukrainian planes

posted at 10:01 am on July 23, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Vladimir Putin just showed the world exactly what he thinks of the President of the United State and NATO allies calls for him to rein in the pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine.

Less than a week after rebels took down a Malaysian passenger plane carrying nearly 300 civilians, the militants loyal to Moscow are not laying low. “Two Ukrainian fighter jets were shot down Wednesday in the eastern regions of the country that are controlled by Russian-backed separatists, according to Ukraine’s defense ministry,” USA Today reported on Wednesday.

It was the first reported shoot down of a plane over eastern Ukraine since a Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 298 people went down last Thursday, killing everyone aboard. U.S. officials say the Flight MH 17 was apparently brought down by a surface-to-air missile.

A similar SU-25 jet was shot down on July 17, the might before the MH 17 crash, by an air-to-air missile along the country’s border with Russia, according to the Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for Ukraine’s national defense and security council.

The planes were reportedly taken down in the rebel-held eastern part of Ukraine, but far removed from the area in which MH17 was allegedly hit by a sophisticated surface-to-air missile.

It sure is.

As is Vladimir Putin’s response to the escalating violence in Ukraine and the calls for his government to withdraw their support for the pro-Russian partisans who have actively destabilized that European nation since March. The downing of two more Ukrainian jets comes as a U.S. intelligence assessment indicates that Russian heavy weaponry and trained fighters have continued to flow into Ukraine even after the attack on MH17.

In a meeting with Russia’s Security Council, Putin framed the conflict in Eastern Ukraine as one with nearly existential stakes for the Russian Federation.

“We are asked to influence the militia in the southeast. As I have said, we will do everything in our power, but this is absolutely insufficient,” Putin said, according to the Kremlin’s English translation of the meeting. “We should finally call on the Kiev authorities to comply with elementary norms of human decency and introduce a cease-fire for at least some short period of time to make the investigation possible.”

This is exactly why Russia supported the [UN] Security Council Resolution proposed by Australia. We will continue working together with all our partners to ensure a complete and comprehensive investigation. However, if we get back to such scenarios in general, as I have said, they are absolutely unacceptable and counterproductive. They destabilize the existing world order.

This last reference to the “existing world order” is not insignificant. The motivation for Russia’s intervention in Ukraine in the first place was the desire to preserve what they believed was the imminent threat posed by revolutionary forces in Kiev which planned to move that country closer to Europe and the West. The ouster of former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych was also a threat to the existing world order in the Kremlin’s eyes, and Russia committed to a low-intensity war in Ukraine in order to defend the present order and their place in it.

Because the stakes in Ukraine are so much higher for Moscow than they are for Brussels or Washington, there will be no de-escalation anytime soon. Without a stronger commitment from the West, there will be no meaningful imposition of costs on Russia that they are not willing to pay.


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No one will be madder than Obama…

right2bright on July 23, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Wait a minute, wasn’t there a headline article last night that said Obama had Putin on the ropes?

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Pres doesn’t know yet… needs to watch the news.

PermanentWaves on July 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Oooh, just wait till Obama reads about this in the paper tomorrow. He’s going to have John Kerry issue his most strongly worded memo EVER!!!!! Then we’ll see how tough Putin is?

SoRight on July 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Gee, a rag-tag rebel militia gets a hold of a sophisticated air defense system and seems to be very adapt at using it. Yeah, I’m not buying it.

rbj on July 23, 2014 at 10:09 AM

Putin only cares what his own people think, and he’s wildly popular at home right now. The U.S. looks ridiculous with its empty posturing about an event that has nothing to do with our own national security interests.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Pres doesn’t know yet… needs to watch the news.

PermanentWaves on July 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Preezy PenNPhone is only just now waking up.

Though he may be sleeping in after the arduous and, heck, downright HEROIC fundraising he did yesterday on the Left Coast.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Josh Kraushaar @HotlineJosh

The fact that Russian “separatists” feel no constrains on going back to firing missiles in the air… telling

Huh? It’s a war. The Ukrainian army isn’t feeling any constraints on bombing them (and in continuing to shell and kill civilians).

Jon0815 on July 23, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Do we know the circumstances of the shoot down? AAMS mean Russian fighter planes did the shooting.A large development. If it was SAM’S it was probably MANPADs firing at ground attack planes and not an SA 11 firing at altitude and so not a danger to commercials at 30K feet.

xkaydet65 on July 23, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Why are people surprised when a bear acts like a bear?

myiq2xu on July 23, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Putin only cares what his own people think, and he’s wildly popular at home right now. The U.S. looks ridiculous with its empty posturing about an event that has nothing to do with our own national security interests.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Hitler’s military adventurism was very popular with his people too until they started suffering the consequences of it.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Pootin and The One, two peas in a pod. They both continue to double down on bad decisions.

vnvet on July 23, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Why are people surprised when a bear acts like a bear?

myiq2xu on July 23, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Compared to Putin Obama isn’t even a chipmunk.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Force trumps words…

Until NATO is ready to kill you must deal with this.

mjbrooks3 on July 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Comrade Obama is so ticked off he will go for another round of golf!

Obamatrix on July 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM

They “might increase their isolation”.
Oh, they don’t give a damn.

V7_Sport on July 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM

So these are “violent Separatists”??

ToddPA on July 23, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Putin views “leading from behind” as NOT leading at all. Putin would be correct.

Every person who voted for Obama, either time, is responsible for this. They voted for him because he was half black, and didn’t care about anything else.

THIS is the result.

Meople on July 23, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Hitler’s military adventurism was very popular with his people too until they started suffering the consequences of it.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Crimea voted to join Russia. This was not like rolling into Poland with tanks.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Crimea voted to join Russia. This was not like rolling into Poland with tanks.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 10:19 AM

I don’t take the results of rigged elections seriously.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Compared to Putin Obama isn’t even a chipmunk.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:15 AM

The Chipmunk Mafia wants a word with you.

katy the mean old lady on July 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Beware the Ides of late October.Putin might go all in.

docflash on July 23, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Obama is so mad, he’s only going to golf 9 holes today.

kirkill on July 23, 2014 at 10:23 AM

I don’t take the results of rigged elections seriously.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:21 AM

I don’t put any more store in Soros-funded populism in the Ukraine than here.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM

I don’t put any more store in Soros-funded populism in the Ukraine than here.

ezspirit on July 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Trust me, I don’t think the 2012 elections here were legitimate either.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:27 AM

I honestly expect Putin to use the downing of the airliner as an excuse to create a “No fly Zone” in east Ukraine.

rob verdi on July 23, 2014 at 10:27 AM

Why aren’t LIBERALS/RINOS willing to take in these Illegal Aliens into their own private homes and support them on their dime?????

LIBERAL HYPOCRITES……Don’t help these vermin, show compassion for American taxpayers and American children

Realdemocrat1 on July 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM

The Chipmunk Mafia wants a word with you.

katy the mean old lady on July 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM

If a kitten hissed and spat at Obama he’d wet his little girl panties.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Obama is so mad, he’s only going to golf 9 an extra 18 holes today.

kirkill on July 23, 2014 at 10:23 AM

FFY

gh on July 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM

What difference, at this point, does it make?

Obama cannot be bothered with this, he has fundraisers to attend……

redguy on July 23, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Maybe Obama needs to go to Alaska…

’cause you can see Putin from there….

I am told..

Electrongod on July 23, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Force trumps words…

Until NATO is ready to kill you must deal with this.

mjbrooks3 on July 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM

ROTFLMAO…..

NATO, really?? really??

redguy on July 23, 2014 at 10:30 AM

You have to admire a man like Putin, standing up to a leader like Obama…Like Rommel against Patton, Grant and Lee, Napoleon and Wellington…Churchill and Hitler…wait a minute, isn’t it a little early to be hitting the bottle?

Obama is the Wile E. Coyote of international politics.

right2bright on July 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Putin’s predecessors were also fascists as they were allies with Hitler for several years. A piece of history that Putin’s media chooses to erase from the history books. Barry Sotero is the reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain and John Kerry is running around like a chicken with his head cut off, fretting about global warming. Putin is the new fascist who is trampling over the West. If France still has a conscience, it will block the transfer of the two Mistral Class carriers it built for the fascists in Moscow.

Krupnikas on July 23, 2014 at 10:33 AM

You knew this was coming when all the squishy lefty pundits are saying Putin is going down.

Putin has Europe by the short hairs and they are already eating each other.

Obama’s hope is bad PR at home for Putin???? It can’t get more pathetic than that.

We need a mercy rule for international diplomacy.

Lonetown on July 23, 2014 at 10:35 AM

If France still has a conscience, it will block the transfer of the two Mistral Class carriers it built for the fascists in Moscow.

Krupnikas on July 23, 2014 at 10:33 AM

If only…

Published time: July 22, 2014 16:56

France will go ahead with the delivery of the first of two Mistral warships to Russia – despite protests by the US and UK, prompted by Moscow’s stance in the Ukrainian crisis. The ship is nearly completed and will be presented in October.

French President Francois Hollande said the plan to deliver the two Mistral helicopter carriers was made in Paris and will go forward despite calls from the US and UK.

“The Russians have paid. Should we repay 1.1 billion euros if the boat was not delivered to the purchaser?” he asked while speaking to reporters late on Monday – the night before EU foreign ministers are to meet in Brussels to discuss tougher sanctions on Russia over the Ukrainian crisis.

right2bright on July 23, 2014 at 10:38 AM

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:14 AM

This time will be different. Very different.

OldEnglish on July 23, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Putin signals total disregard for the West as rebels take down two more Ukrainian planes

…JugEars has more pressing problems…he’s probably in a sand trap…on the first hole!

JugEarsButtHurt on July 23, 2014 at 10:43 AM

https://twitter.com/EdMorrissey

Retweeted by Ed Morrissey
Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman · 1m

“It is pathetic what the United States and Europe is doing in response to this naked aggression.” – Lindsey Graham.

canopfor on July 23, 2014 at 10:45 AM

The Illegal Alien invasion is clearly showing just how corrupt our Administration, religious groups, and Congress are……No moral clarity whatsoever.

Realdemocrat1 on July 23, 2014 at 10:46 AM

You knew this was coming when all the squishy lefty pundits are saying Putin is going down.

Lonetown on July 23, 2014 at 10:35 AM

And most of us knew this when we pulled the missiles out of Eastern Europe, unilaterally. We got nothing in return, except for this invasion.

right2bright on July 23, 2014 at 10:47 AM

The Illegal Alien invasion is clearly showing just how corrupt our Administration, religious groups, and Congress are……No moral clarity whatsoever.

Realdemocrat1 on July 23, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Good point, the administration could care less that we are invaded, so why should they care if the Ukraine is invaded?

right2bright on July 23, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Ukraine Asked U.S. for Tech to Counter Russia’s Jet-Killers:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/23/exclusive-ukraine-asked-u-s-for-tech-to-counter-russia-s-jet-killers.html

albill on July 23, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Remember way back in those days (I think on or about the day before yesterday, give or take a day) when we all thought Putin was in a panic over this shoot-down? Those were good days, my friends. Good, good times.

rogaineguy on July 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Germany can’t act…their former chancellor who was also the head of one of largest political parties (SPD) in Germany is working for Putin via Gazprom.

albill on July 23, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Well this better not escalate any more than this. If Obama has to postpone getting his ice cream on the Vineyard he’s not going to be happy.

bsinc1962 on July 23, 2014 at 10:51 AM

No one will be madder than Obama…

right2bright on July 23, 2014 at 10:03 AM

At least as long as the NYT and WaPo publish this bit of news.

Steve Eggleston on July 23, 2014 at 10:52 AM

If France still has a conscience, it will block the transfer of the two Mistral Class carriers it built for the fascists in Moscow.

You mean the France that rounded up even more Jews than were requested by the Germans during WWII? Besides, given how Charles de Gaulle turned out, handing over the carriers to the Russkies might be the worst thing we could do to them.

“Press reports are sketchy here, so it is difficult to tell what was more alarming to the French establishment: that their carrier was an expensive dude or that that they were using American equipment.”

–William Palafox, The Frog Surrenders, referring to the French carrier Charles de Gaulle

dreadnought62 on July 23, 2014 at 10:56 AM

The downing of two more Ukrainian jets comes as a U.S. intelligence assessment indicates that Russian heavy weaponry and trained fighters have continued to flow into Ukraine even after the attack on MH17.

Minor, but very real point: While it is likely that the “flow” continues, there is little-to-zilch to connect it with more aircraft shootings, and morons will jump on this as an irrelevant connection to divert from the real issues.

Really. Were there ONLY 1 or 2 such missile[s?] in their hands, and these were fired at MH17, which “suddenly” ramped up the “flow” so they could shoot down two more military jets? From even the thinnest existing news reporting, they probably have had hundred[s] or thousand[s] of these things for a good while, and there is no relevance in connecting several more downed fighter jets as evidence for “continued supply”. The “flow” didn’t need such things to start, doesn’t need such things to continue.

RL on July 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM

I guess Ukrainian SU-25s fly without much anti-aircraft missile defenses on board, or without too much pilot training in techniques of avoiding missiles – of course, assuming that US fighters would do a lot better.

Regardless, Ukraine seems to be poorly responding to Russian separatist takeover of Ukraine territory when it comes to air power. I hope it is doing better on the ground where such technical sophistication is less important.

Obama is doing what he does best. IGNORING Ukraine requests for more technically superior weaponry from the US…almost like he meant what he said to the Russian dude when he said he would have more discretion after the election. Obviously, that was to assist the Russians in whatever they were going to attempt when it came to putting the band back together – that is, reestablishing the old Russian Empire (USSR).

Comrade Obama is good for Russia, and to Russia.

dockywocky on July 23, 2014 at 11:00 AM

And how about another round of HISTORIC fundraising…….

Realdemocrat1 on July 23, 2014 at 11:03 AM

And Japan laughed when FDR accepted their “apology” for sinking the Panay.

President of the United State

Apparently, the United is the 58th State.

Whoda thunk?

formwiz on July 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Ramp up natural gas production, then ramp up exports to Europe. Renew missile defense deal for Poland and Czech Republic. Offer Poland independent nuclear arsenal under the auspices of domestic energy production. See how Russia likes the shoe on the other foot.

frost_ on July 23, 2014 at 11:11 AM

I guess Ukrainian SU-25s fly without much anti-aircraft missile defenses on board, or without too much pilot training in techniques of avoiding missiles – of course, assuming that US fighters would do a lot better.

dockywocky on July 23, 2014 at 11:00 AM

It actually goes much deeper than that. Not just the individual aircraft, its pilot and armaments carried, but also the sort of doctrine applied and the planning that goes into missions. On our side, it’s referred to as SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defense). So if we send out a strike mission, and SAM sites are suspected, other aircraft will escort with the AGM-88 HARM loaded out, daring the SAM site to radiate, drawing the missile to it. The Russians have the AS-11, but I’ve never read anything about its effectiveness. Also, I don’t know if the Ukraine Air Force has any ARMs in its inventory, but given its small inventory of operational SU-25s, these losses are very troubling, especially because the only source of replacements is the very folks causing them trouble.

dreadnought62 on July 23, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Ramp up natural gas production, then ramp up exports to Europe. Renew missile defense deal for Poland and Czech Republic. Offer Poland independent nuclear arsenal under the auspices of domestic energy production. See how Russia likes the shoe on the other foot.

frost_ on July 23, 2014 at 11:11 AM

If Russia saw this coming, they wouldn’t wait for the shoe to be put on the other foot. They would act right away. They keep their boots on, not off like Obama and Pajama Boy.

Walter L. Newton on July 23, 2014 at 11:23 AM

It’s quite interesting and sad to see the reactions of the selfish social media generation to actual important events that affect people’s lives in ways they can’t comprehend.

This shoot-down by the Pro-Russian separatists is SOUND military action and doctrine whether you agree with them or not. They are at war!

UnstChem on July 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Obama:

“Stop that, Vladimir”
I’m really getting angry.
You’re crossing the red line.
Really getting pissed
I mean it.
Last Chance.
Don’t think I’m not serious.
This is gonna’ cost you.
Final warning.
If you do it aqain, you’ve had it.
One last warning.
Talking consequences here.
Don’t make me repeat this warning.
Don’t underestimate me.
WHAT ARE YOU LAUGHING AT?”

MaiDee on July 23, 2014 at 11:26 AM

It’s quite interesting and sad to see the reactions of the selfish social media generation to actual important events that affect people’s lives in ways they can’t comprehend.

This shoot-down by the Pro-Russian separatists is SOUND military action and doctrine whether you agree with them or not. They are at war!

UnstChem on July 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM

When was a declaration of war made? What recognized governments declared war? This is nothing more than thugs trying to fight an established and legally elected government.

Thugs with help from Russia.

Walter L. Newton on July 23, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Can Putin Survive?
-liberal columnist

L.O.L.

abobo on July 23, 2014 at 11:37 AM

It’s gonna be a hoot when next these two guys meet in person. I got big bucks that Putin pantses the Dog Eater, and laughs in his face.

And no one will be madder and more useless than our Barack.

bimmcorp on July 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM

When was a declaration of war made? What recognized governments declared war? This is nothing more than thugs trying to fight an established and legally elected government.

Thugs with help from Russia.

Walter L. Newton on July 23, 2014 at 11:36 AM

So a declaration of war makes artillery, tank, and SAM attacks between two parties more real? Are they using plastic soldiers until such time as it’s “official”?

Your comment, while literally true, is meaningless. War is war, whether it’s declared or not. War is also hell as evidenced by last week’s attack of MH17.

UnstChem on July 23, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Ukraine Asked U.S. for Tech to Counter Russia’s Jet-Killers:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/23/exclusive-ukraine-asked-u-s-for-tech-to-counter-russia-s-jet-killers.html

albill on July 23, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Barry will never give Ukraine any significant assistance. They should ask Israel for help against the Russian thugs.

slickwillie2001 on July 23, 2014 at 12:15 PM

LilliPutin is the luckiest bastid alive.

He rules in the age of obama.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Anyone else see parallels between the Russian thugs and Nazi brownshirts?

Drunk, lower class, irregular army, astroturfed by a larger power (Russia), disregard for human life, lie like a rug, pretend to be grassroots. Eastern Europeans and Western Russians were often the brutal WWII concentration camp guards, so now they’re just wearing different uniforms.

LashRambo on July 23, 2014 at 12:34 PM

With Obama playing the part of Chamberlain, and Putin as the nationalistic Hitler, with dreams of a glorious greater Russia.

LashRambo on July 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Lash, could you stop it with the Nazi references? It’s silly and the analogies you’re drawing are tenuous at best.

The Grinch on July 23, 2014 at 12:43 PM

With Obama playing the part of Chamberlain, and Putin as the nationalistic Hitler, with dreams of a glorious greater Russia.

LashRambo on July 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM

I think these Obama = Chamberlain comparisons are unfair to poor ol’ Neville. Chamberlain was highly engaged in trying to prevent war, naively believing that everyone shared his desire to avoid another ruinous European conflict, not recognizing that you can’t bargain in good faith with a bad faith person. Obama isn’t even trying. Hey, whadya know? Sometimes this affirmative action hires don’t work out.

dreadnought62 on July 23, 2014 at 12:45 PM

History does repeat itself. Obama will be in the trash heap and his memoirs will be Barnes and Noble fire starter that you will be able to pick up for 99c along with Hillary’s rag. Putin will eventually self-destruct.

Krupnikas on July 23, 2014 at 12:49 PM

I strongly recommend that the Ukrainians pull a Grozny on Donetsk and Luhansk.

Esaus Message on July 23, 2014 at 12:57 PM

I would suggest you listen to Cohen last night on the John Batchelor Show. Yeah, he’s a bigtime “apologist for Russia” but he is also a sort of proxy conduit for the Russian position and view on things. It is pretty important to get an idea of things from their perspective, too, in order to get a more complete appreciation of things. He presents a pretty scary specter of what might be going on and why Obama’s disengagement on the situation could spell disaster for everyone. The LAST thing we need is a war between Russia and NATO.

Hit the “play” button.

http://batchelorshow.libsyn.com/tues-72214-hr-2-prof-stephen-f-cohen

crosspatch on July 23, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Anyone else see parallels between the Russian thugs and Nazi brownshirts?

Drunk, lower class, irregular army, astroturfed by a larger power (Russia), disregard for human life, lie like a rug, pretend to be grassroots. Eastern Europeans and Western Russians were often the brutal WWII concentration camp guards, so now they’re just wearing different uniforms.

LashRambo on July 23, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Worse. Germany has fixed itself, Russia hasn’t.

slickwillie2001 on July 23, 2014 at 1:25 PM

A similar SU-25 jet was shot down on July 17, the might before the MH 17 crash, by an air-to-air missile along the country’s border with Russia, according to the Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for Ukraine’s national defense and security council.

that says air-to-air…did not know the rebels had air power to do this…or is Vlad rebadging his pilots…

jafo on July 23, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Russia could not back down as their side is losing. The entire purpose of ramping up military support was to stop the reconquest of the the eastern part of Ukraine by the Ukrainian army. Shooting down low-flying military aircraft will cost Putin nothing and letting them continue their mission could cost him his puppets–easy decision for him to make.

The answer is to provide sufficient replacement arms to Kiev to overcome the losses to the Russian proxies.

KW64 on July 23, 2014 at 1:51 PM

With Obama playing the part of Chamberlain, and Putin as the nationalistic Hitler, with dreams of a glorious greater Russia. LashRambo on July 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM

And who should play the part of Maj. Wm. Martin of the Royal Marines?

Akzed on July 23, 2014 at 2:00 PM

So who is going to answer this issue? Will it be Preznit Putt-putt or Preznit Drone-strike? Does he have any playing cards to shuffle and deal? In either case, he can’t do his own heavy lifting and he can’t make a forceful decision on his own. Isn’t destroying his country’s credibility in the world an impeachable offense? I sure hope so.

ExpressoBold on July 23, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Putin signals total disregard for the West as rebels take down two more Ukrainian planes

Slava!

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 23, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Gee, he didn’t ask Obama’s or the UN’s permission?

claudius on July 23, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Intelligence information shows us that Russia sent a BUK system to Ukraine and it was sent back a short time after the Malaysian passenger jet was shot down.

But, so what?

What indication do we have that Putin admits, or even cares, that it is true?

Even if he were to admit it was true what makes anyone think that it would change anything?

We’re falling into the “mirroring” trap. The fallacy that our adversaries are “just like us” and react the same way as we would in identical circumstances.

That’s the kind of thinking that has us standing in the midst of a field littered with debris and dead bodies, with a “reset” button in our hands.

schmuck281 on July 23, 2014 at 11:57 PM