Perdue grabs surprise runoff victory over Kingston in Georgia

posted at 10:41 am on July 23, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

First-time political candidate David Perdue won a surprise victory over favored Rep. Jack Kingston in the Republican runoff for the US Senate nomination in Georgia. Kingston, who had the backing of the US Chamber of Commerce as well as conservatives such as my Salem colleague Erick Erickson, had been leading in almost every poll as the runoff approached. In the end, Perdue’s outsider message may have won the day:

Businessman David Perdue stunned Georgia’s Republican political establishment Tuesday by capturing the party’s U.S. Senate nomination in his first run for office.

The former CEO of Reebok and Dollar General toppled 11-term Rep. Jack Kingston by a narrow margin, setting up a battle of political newcomers with famous kin in the fall. Perdue’s cousin, Sonny, was a two-term governor and Nunn’s father, Sam, was a four-term U.S. Senator.

In addition to his famous last name and lingering political network from his cousin, Perdue deployed $3 million of his own money to back his bid. Still, he was outspent by Kingston and allied Super PACs – including the deep pocketed U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

That leaves the Senate race in Georgia to two political neophytes — Perdue and Michelle Nunn, who has also never run for office until now. Both come from political families, however.  Nunn’s father Sam spent four terms in the Senate before retiring in 1996 as a blue-dog Democrat who voted in favor of tort reform and in support of the death penalty and balanced budgets. Nunn’s challenge will be to convince Georgia voters that she’s a chip off the old block while still representing the outsider, anti-establishment perspective.

Perdue’s win makes that a little more difficult, Politico’s James Hohmann points out:

The general election is likely to be a costly battle between two candidates running as “outsiders,” despite their politically powerful families. Democratic nominee Michelle Nunn’s father, Sam Nunn, represented Georgia in the Senate for 24 years. Perdue’s first cousin, Sonny Perdue, was the state’s first Republican governor elected since Reconstruction, serving two terms from 2003 to 2011.

With Kingston’s defeat, Nunn has lost her chance to run against Washington and the national debt. She is expected, instead, to contrast her background as a nonprofit executive against Perdue’s tenure as a CEO at companies like Reebok and Dollar General.

Georgia is the Democrats’ best chance to pick up a Republican-held seat this fall, which ensures it will be one of the most closely watched races on the map.

Democrats might have hoped for a GOP split such as that seen in Mississippi after a close primary and runoff. If so, they’re doubly disappointed as Kingston wasted no time in endorsing his former opponent:

Kingston immediately pledged his support in a concession call to Perdue and told him “once we combine our two camps we will absolutely be unstoppable.”

Erick blames the Chamber of Commerce endorsement for the narrow loss:

In the last two weeks, David Perdue made hay out of walking out of his meeting with the Chamber. He claimed the Chamber wanted him to vote with them 100% of the time. He would not.

That message resonated. Kingston was the career politician in the pocket of the Chamber and would pass amnesty.

Not now. He lost. And he did so largely because David Perdue made Kingston own his Chamber of Commerce endorsement.

Erick’s a lot closer to the race than I am, and the narrowness of the runoff makes this a very plausible analysis. It might be simpler than this, though. Kingston’s been in Washington for 22 years, and with or without the Chamber of Commerce endorsement, that’s baggage in the last few cycles. Georgia voters may just have wanted a reasonable alternative to a career politician, and Perdue managed to make that case for himself in the course of the primary and runoff. Don’t discount the power of populism in this cycle — and it might be fortunate for the national GOP that they defused that argument in Georgia, assuming Perdue doesn’t blow the general election.


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Michelle Nunn may be a tough beat – but I am always glad to see an 11 term legacy candidate defeated.

I think?

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM

I hope that Lugar goes directly to Hell.

He is a bitter loser and should be shunned out of Indiana.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Hmmm. Maybe Perdue is the better candidate (I had the impression that Kingston was).

22044 on July 23, 2014 at 10:47 AM

I think?

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Typical RINO on display. Go for it, just once.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Michelle Nunn may be a tough beat – but I am always glad to see an 11 term legacy candidate defeated.

I think?

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Anyone who has spent more than a decade inside the beltway isn’t to be trusted.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:47 AM

I’m with jake-the-goose on this one. I’m tired of the same old boys in DC. The time for term limits is long past due!!

Deano1952 on July 23, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Two political families at each other now. At least Perdue is not from DC’s creche.

GA, make up your mind at what kind of state you want to be, finally.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Now if the GOPe doesn’t siphon off Perdue’s funds to support the National Party…

…oh wait.

Turtle317 on July 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Funny thing is, this is one example where the career politician would have been a greater force for conservatism than the outsider. Oh well. Perdue will still be better than Nunn.

Donald Draper on July 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM

For Mississippi the GOP should burn. They don’t deserve to win.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Dollar General and Georgia…can’t get more Southern than that…without the Dollar General, where would Georgia shop?

right2bright on July 23, 2014 at 10:51 AM

after yesterdays whining WSJ op-ed, I’m glad to see the Chamber get a finger in the eye.

MTF on July 23, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Now if the GOPe doesn’t siphon off Perdue’s funds to support the National Party…

…oh wait.

Turtle317 on July 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM

The Establishment All-Star team was backing Kingston.

So you can bet that Perdue will get lukewarm support at best.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:52 AM

The good news is that the “establishment” lost, and wasted money…and the Chamber lost and wasted it’s money.

right2bright on July 23, 2014 at 10:52 AM

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce Amnesty-Pushing Endorsement Kiss of Death.

This is as it should be.

M240H on July 23, 2014 at 10:52 AM

There have been pro Joni Ernst ads paid for by the Chamber in Iowa. That kind of thing certainly gives me pause when it comes to pulling the lever for candidates. I wonder how the Iowa GOP primary for Harkin’s seat would have played out now given the crisis at the border and Branstad’s refusal to accept illegal minors.

Vatican Watcher on July 23, 2014 at 10:53 AM

I hope that Lugar goes directly to Hell.

He is a bitter loser and should be shunned out of Indiana.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Amen. And I live in Indiana.

esr1951 on July 23, 2014 at 10:53 AM

An investigation proves that 11 out of 12 were able to sign up to obama’care’ without proof of a social sec. number, or proof of income. The 11 fake identities got on, with subsidies et all.

Work harder fools…and keep keeping the old farts in DC. They take real good care of you.

Yes, a VA soul got trapped in a clinic too, had to call 911…the highnesses had gone home.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Yeah, I’m certain the good people of Georgia are
going to vote for a intellectual giant of a woman
who dresses like she’s in the 1940′s, and talks
more stilted than Caroline Kennedy…

Purdue should win this seat going away…

ToddPA on July 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM

For Mississippi the GOP should burn. They don’t deserve to win.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Mississippi made me decide to vote for the Hyphenated-DASH-Name lady instead of McConnell. Better to throw up in the voting booth than hold my nose and risk suffocation.

Yes, it may cost the GOPe control of the Senate, but what they did in Mississippi what difference does it make?

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Perdue wasn’t my first choice in the May primary, but he was always my choice over GOPe Kingston.

Will be interesting fight between Perdue and Nunn, as will the race between Deal and Carter for governor. Carter, another political family! I feel like we’re in the 70s with Nunn and Carter running! That is what Perdue and Deal need to capitalize on.

Anyway, the local media here will drive bias toward the Dems. I trust the voters to keep the Senate seat and governors mansion Republican.

Brat on July 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM

GA, make up your mind at what kind of state you want to be, finally.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 10:49 AM

In defense of Georgia, the republicans and long memories can be blamed for the snails pace the state took in turning red.

Its a really nice place, once you get out of Atlanta.

cozmo on July 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Here is the ad that sank Kingston in the final days. It’s devastating and will make many in the open borders/amnesty camp even more nervous.

Wigglesworth on July 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Good! The pro-corporatist,pro-amnesty Chamber of Commerce must be put out of business!

redware on July 23, 2014 at 10:56 AM

The general election is likely to be a costly battle between two candidates running as “outsiders,”

Oh Good Lord! Georgia demanding outsiders in DC is where Jimmy Carter’s rise to Washington began.

That being said and without any knowledge of the candidates or their positions, I would have voted for Perdue because Kingston got the USCOC endorsement which (these days) means pro-amnesty more than it means pro-business.

Happy Nomad on July 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Yeah, I’m certain the good people of Georgia are
going to vote for a intellectual giant of a woman
who dresses like she’s in the 1940′s, and talks
more stilted than Caroline Kennedy…

Purdue should win this seat going away…

ToddPA on July 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Never underestimate the ability of the Establishment to sabotage a conservative.

Compared to the beastly women that make up the Democrat Party, Michelle Nunn is a supermodel.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Help your local businesses. Tell them why you will not patronize them if they are a member of the US Chamber of Amnesty.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Expect the Cronies to abandon this race.

Steve Eggleston on July 23, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Expect the Cronies to abandon this race.

Steve Eggleston on July 23, 2014 at 10:58 AM

If everyone here would send $10 Perdue’s way he wouldn’t need any support from the Cronies.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Funny thing is, this is one example where the career politician would have been a greater force for conservatism than the outsider. Oh well. Perdue will still be better than Nunn.

Donald Draper on July 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM

I don’t know enough about Perdue to say if I think this is good news or not.

cat_owner on July 22, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Got endorsed by both the GA estab AND the tea parties, strong conservative, he seems.

TXUS on July 22, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 10:59 AM

My hat’s off to Congressmen Kingston. He’s shown a dignity that Thad Cochran lacks.

For anyone who doesn’t know, Dollar General stores are micro versions of Walmart with about 85% of the type of items that Walmart has, but without the variety. They put themselves in places where Wally World doesn’t want to go, in communities as small as a couple thousand. They started really making hay when they located their breakfast items in the front, instead of the back like Walmart. So compelling is their success Walmart has started copying the idea.

My best to Mr. Purdue, and high-five for not taking the Chamber bait.

itsspideyman on July 23, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Glad Perdue won for the message to the COC. And the way Kingston conceded showed he was a mensch. Kudos to him.

Cliff by the Ford on July 23, 2014 at 11:00 AM

The Chamber of Commerce needs to stay out of politics–they are getting their amnesty–totally FREE OF CHARGE via the Obama administration’s negligence at the border.

Armyspouse on July 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Perdue is an elite CEO through and through. If you don’t think he’ll be real comfortable backroom dealing with immigration you have another thing coming.

Donald Draper on July 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM

itsspideyman on July 23, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Great comment!

Brat on July 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM

The Chamber of Commerce needs to stay out of politics–they are getting their amnesty–totally FREE OF CHARGE via the Obama administration’s negligence at the border.

Armyspouse on July 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM

The CoC has a lot of nerve expecting me to patronize their businesses with my wages that are being artificially depressed by illegal aliens when they support allowing even more illegal aliens in.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:03 AM

National GOPe to announce they won’t be able to spend very much national general election money in Georgia in 3…2..1…

Midas on July 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM

That smell is the Chamber of Commerce burning.

faraway on July 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM

My hat’s off to Congressmen Kingston. He’s shown a dignity that Thad Cochran lacks.

itsspideyman on July 23, 2014 at 11:00 AM

In fairness to Thad Cochran I don’t think he knows what room he’s in and probably hasn’t for nearly a decade. He’s a vegetable in the hands of his establishment handlers.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Georgia voters may just have wanted a reasonable alternative to a career politician, and Perdue managed to make that case for himself in the course of the primary and runoff.

Yes, 22 years in Congress is quite enough. Glad Kingston was so gracious in defeat anyway.

cat_owner on July 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM

National GOPe to announce they won’t be able to spend very much national general election money in Georgia in 3…2..1…

Midas on July 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Three fundraising calls from them in the last week. I gave the same answer each time, “Mississippi”.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:05 AM

That smell is the Chamber of Commerce burning.

faraway on July 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Separating the GOP from the Amnesty and corporate welfare loving CoC is a good thing.

We are pro capitalism. We are pro business. We are NOT pro Crony Capitalism.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:07 AM

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller

Retweeted by Zeke Miller
Philip Rucker @PhilipRucker · 16s

a @FredNDavis special MT @TheFix: This is the ad that won David Perdue the Georgia Senate nom http://wapo.st/1sRof3t

https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/491959322767675394/photo/1

canopfor on July 23, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Mississippi made me decide to vote for the Hyphenated-DASH-Name lady instead of McConnell. Better to throw up in the voting booth than hold my nose and risk suffocation.

Yes, it may cost the GOPe control of the Senate, but what they did in Mississippi what difference does it make?

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Well, we’re going to see what difference it makes when Halbig is appealed to the full DC Circuit and the judges Harry Reid put on that court get to rule on it.

changer1701 on July 23, 2014 at 11:09 AM

I smell blood in the water with the RINO’s willing to support the Dem candidate just out of spite against anyone but who they choose to run.

Thus the ongoing lackluster of stupidity of those that call Washington home.

Nat George on July 23, 2014 at 11:09 AM

The contrast of dignity of both the winner and loser in this race makes the MS outcome glaringly childish.

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM

That smell is the Chamber of Commerce burning.

faraway on July 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM

…how come it smells like shit?

JugEarsButtHurt on July 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Please don’t vote, just we all don’t have to throw up.

cozmo, yes, I know.

Donald Draper on July 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Anyone in the pocket of the Chamber of Commers/open borders and amnesty, is my enemy. It’s sheer war.

You may also not vote now, of course.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller

Retweeted by Zeke Miller
Philip Rucker @PhilipRucker · 16s

a @FredNDavis special MT @TheFix: This is the ad that won David Perdue the Georgia Senate nom http://wapo.st/1sRof3t

https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/491959322767675394/photo/1

canopfor on July 23, 2014 at 11:08 AM

The Establishment is still in denial that amnesty and the illegal surge on the border was what cost Cantor his seat. But it is reality.

I predict that in November, the “wave” isn’t going to be much more than a ripple, and it’s going to be because of amnesty. Candidates openly backed by the US Chamber of Crony Capitalism are going to do particularly bad.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Tom Donahue must be ousted from the CEO role at the US Chamber.

faraway on July 23, 2014 at 11:11 AM

This constant slamming on the Chamber of Commerce is juvenile – at best.

We should no more make blanket statements about the “Chamber of Commerce” than the left should make about “Members of the NRA”

My local Chamber of Commerce is an active member of our business community and an asset to every business looking to expand.

For me (alone) it is frustrating to constantly see what naysayers so many in the GOP have become.

Where has the positive nature our party members gone. Time to show the public that we lead – we carry a positive vision – we are the way forward.

Quit pissing and moaning about everything – we should like bitter Grandparents.

Just a thought dump – IMO

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:12 AM

CoC is a toxic association for Repub candidates, and it isn’t just about immigration either.

The loudest voices coming from the CoC have been the crony-capitalists. Conservatives traditionally support free-market capitalism, not crony-capitalism.

Those same loud voices over at the CoC also support Common Core. This alienates a lot of (potential) voters who support School Choice.

And then there are the connotations between McConnell’s “Crust the TEA Party” battle cry and the CoC’s deep pockets.

Not sure why Repubs are expecting voters to be gung-ho about voting for these candidates when they basically represent positions antithetical to the Republican platform.

lineholder on July 23, 2014 at 11:12 AM

I smell blood in the water with the RINO’s willing to support the Dem candidate just out of spite against anyone but who they choose to run.

Thus the ongoing lackluster of stupidity of those that call Washington home.

Nat George on July 23, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Nat, have you been reading the posts here lately? The only people who are threatening to vote Democrat seem to be supporters of insurgent candidates who feel cheated (ex. ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM).

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Anyone in the pocket of the Chamber of Commers/open borders and amnesty, is my enemy. It’s sheer war.

You may also not vote now, of course.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM

I’ll be happy to vote. My point is, it was common knowledge in Georgia that Perdue and Kingston were the two most establismenty, even if that seemed odd considering Perdue is a political novice.

The CoC backed Kingston thinking he was the strong horse. I could be wrong and have no inside knowledge, but I’m sure Perdue will welcome them with open arms when they come calling.

That issue aside, I firmly hold that Kingston would have been better on taxes, spending, and Obamacare. Like I said originally, oh well.

Donald Draper on July 23, 2014 at 11:13 AM

You may also not vote now, of course.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM

I am considering that too, and, indeed voting but leaving the Senate line with a no vote was my original intention (I voted for Matt Bevin in the primary) but Mississippi has made me so angry I am considering every option from not voting at all to voting STRAIGHT DEMOCRAT even.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:13 AM

And then there are the connotations between McConnell’s “Crush the TEA Party” battle cry and the CoC’s deep pockets.

FIFM

lineholder on July 23, 2014 at 11:14 AM

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Well said.

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:15 AM

The former CEO of Reebok and Dollar General toppled 11-term Rep. Jack Kingston

There’s your reason.

11 terms.

portlandon on July 23, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Please don’t vote, just (so) we all don’t have to throw up.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:15 AM

My hat’s off to Congressmen Kingston. He’s shown a dignity that Thad Cochran lacks.

itsspideyman on July 23, 2014 at 11:00 AM

In fairness to Thad Cochran I don’t think he knows what room he’s in and probably hasn’t for nearly a decade. He’s a vegetable in the hands of his establishment handlers.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Constantine, I’m inclined to believe you. He was my senator for many years and could have been the majority leader if Trent Lott wouldn’t have applied the muscle, more’s the pity. IMHO, at that time in his career he’d have made a much better leader than lobbyist Lott.

There’s a special place in hell for campaign managers who will win at any cost, and it’s regrettable when a politician puts themselves in their hands. They’re no longer real people who talk to their constituents, they become robots barking talking points.

Sad to see what I thought was a good man at this point in his career. He’s become a symbol of all that’s wrong in the Republican party.

itsspideyman on July 23, 2014 at 11:15 AM

but Mississippi has made me so angry I am considering every option from not voting at all to voting STRAIGHT DEMOCRAT even.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Don’t vote for the senate – you have to live with yourself after. Voting for those swine would make it impossible.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Nat, have you been reading the posts here lately? The only people who are threatening to vote Democrat seem to be supporters of insurgent candidates who feel cheated (ex. ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM).

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:13 AM

I am tired of the double standard.

The Establishment expects conservatives to support the party even when they’ve knifed us (Mississippi) but when the Establishment loses to a conservative they go Scorched Earth.

I am just going to give back what they’ve given to me.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Where has the positive nature our party members gone. Time to show the public that we lead – we carry a positive vision – we are the way forward.

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:12 AM

What vision, Jake? What does the Republican party stand for these days? Do you know? Because it looks like they’re basically abandoning their traditional positions and replacing it with….something, but not a platform that has been plainly spoken or represented to the public.

So, what vision do we carry????

lineholder on July 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Remember 2 big points with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

1) They are BIG on Amnesty!

2) They DON’T want Obamacare repealed!

The USCoC needs to be Tarred and Feathered and run out of the country.

Nat George on July 23, 2014 at 11:20 AM

So, what vision do we carry????

lineholder on July 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM

I speak only with and for my own voice – not the GOP’s voice.

When I say “we” – I mean the public “we” – us voters – the people who turn the gears.

I do understand and I fully appreciate your point – the “party” is frustrating.

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:20 AM

itsspideyman on July 23, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Great comment!

Brat on July 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Thanks!

Dollar General and Georgia…can’t get more Southern than that…without the Dollar General, where would Georgia shop?

right2bright on July 23, 2014 at 10:51

And thank God for it, they bring jobs and decent prices. I wouldn’t have made it through school without them being in walking distance when I lived in Ruston (Louisiana). :)

Interestingly, they have 10,000 stores (Starbucks has 7,000) in 40 states.

itsspideyman on July 23, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Noticeably absent is whether this was a “tea party victory” or “tea party loss.” Didn’t really keep up with that aspect, but from what I can tell, different factions endorsed either Perdue or Kingston. Media is stymied that they can’t use Tea in headline. Also Nunn won’t be able to use that label on Perdue although I don’t think it has a negative connotation here in Georgia anyway.

Like him or not (I like him), Herman Cain had significant influence endorsing Perdue. Poor Erick Erick stood by his friend Kingston. Too bad.

Brat on July 23, 2014 at 11:21 AM

I smell blood in the water with the RINO’s willing to support the Dem candidate just out of spite against anyone but who they choose to run.

Thus the ongoing lackluster of stupidity of those that call Washington home.

Nat George on July 23, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Lugar support Nunn, the pig.

The contrast of dignity of both the winner and loser in this race makes the MS outcome glaringly childish.

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM

You brilliantly say this.

Then you say this

Well said.

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:15 AM

and this

Nat, have you been reading the posts here lately? The only people who are threatening to vote Democrat seem to be supporters of insurgent candidates who feel cheated (ex. ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM).

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Please note that the DIABLOs in DC are the ones who fight against you.

jake, the high level Chamber of Commerce, along with the WSJ/Fox are openly declared for open borders and amnesty.

What the local chambers of commerce do then becomes peanuts.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:22 AM

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:20 AM

We may provide the impetus that turns the gears, but they (the party) have control of the direction we go in. And they aren’t going to alter that direction to become something that we can support unless they know that they have to regard the force we provide with respect.

As long as they are under the impression that we can be taken for granted, they will take us for granted, Jake.

lineholder on July 23, 2014 at 11:23 AM

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM

I don’t live in MS, KY, or Cantor’s district in VA, however in the end I would vote for the GOP candidate if given a choice. Anyone with a D besides their name only empowers the real enemy of America ….Obama, Reid and Pelosi.

We’re not going to make wholesale changes overnight, so at the very least I want the elected GOP candidates to feel somewhat beholden to a large and growing portion of their voting block (us). I promise you any Democrat will not feel that obligation.

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM

“Money doesn’t vote but people do” — Dave Brat

GA, the people, will do the right thing and will have to live with it. This time it’s beyond GA; it’s about the entire land.

Zell Miller, my favorite Georgian, along with Bmore :)

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Erick blames the Chamber of Commerce endorsement for the narrow loss:

Correct. They are spending big bucks to render my citizenship meaningless and to perpetuate corrupt government/business cronyism. The Chamber of Commerce is an enemy.

forest on July 23, 2014 at 11:26 AM

This is good but too late. The GOP is hell bent on passing amnesty in the lame duck. Before Christmas. Felice Navidad.

Mr. Arrogant on July 23, 2014 at 11:26 AM

It seems strange that the Chamber of Commerce would back an 11-term Congressman Kingston over a “businessman” Perdue.

Hopefully, Perdue can end the long string of election losses by “businessman” Republican Senate candidates–Pete Coors, Dino Rossi, Carly Fiorina, Linda McMahon (twice), etc. Republican primary voters have a habit of supporting wealthy businessmen (and women) who can “self-fund” their campaigns, but independent voters seem allergic to their wealth, and vote for the Democrats.

Steve Z on July 23, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Constantine will vote his conscience, which is free and strong, something the rats in DC don’t even resemble any more.

Correct. They are spending big bucks to render my citizenship meaningless and to perpetuate corrupt government/business cronyism. The Chamber of Commerce is an enemy.

forest on July 23, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Show them who votes.

“Money doesn’t vote, but people do” — Dave Brat

The Chamber should suffocate on the 20% children and 80% slave labor invaders of the USA.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:29 AM

so at the very least I want the elected GOP candidates to feel somewhat beholden to a large and growing portion of their voting block (us).

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM

How do you propose to bring this about? Because, at the present time, that sense of being beholden to voters does not exist. The only sense of indebtedness they have is to their donors, not us.

lineholder on July 23, 2014 at 11:29 AM

What the local chambers of commerce do then becomes peanuts.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Peanuts? – not to the local businesses they work with and support.

Local CoC operations are actually more relevant to businesses than the national HQ – by far.

It’s like the NRA in fact – my local NRA operation helps establish businesses – trains members – arranges shooting contests – and drives our rights here locally. May not be the best example – but there it is.

Again – we simply have to stop painting with a broad brush.

Not every issue is as simple as Yes or No – in fact, very few issues are simple.

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Schad, it’s not that I am for the so-called establishment, it’s just that I’m still a romantic for Reagan’s big tent philosophy, Besides I want to attract people to our cause not turn them away because they are not yet 100% on board.

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:30 AM

As long as they are under the impression that we can be taken for granted, they will take us for granted, Jake.

lineholder on July 23, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Well said – no argument there.

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:30 AM

jake, when the US Chamber joins the enemy it’s time to call them out.

The local Chambers are mostly small businesses, and they haven’t been corrupted like the US Chamber has.

The US Chamber has lots of union, and leftwing influence. It’s rotten.

faraway on July 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM

When the Chamber of Commerce publicly states their goal of funding candidates to defeat conservatives, they no longer deserve my support even at the local level. They are no longer innocent bystanders they are the enemy. I will treat them as such at all levels. If the local COC’s feel the pressure they can change their leadership.

d1carter on July 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Peanuts? – not to the local businesses they work with and support.

Local CoC operations are actually more relevant to businesses than the national HQ – by far.

It’s like the NRA in fact – my local NRA operation helps establish businesses – trains members – arranges shooting contests – and drives our rights here locally. May not be the best example – but there it is.

Again – we simply have to stop painting with a broad brush.

Not every issue is as simple as Yes or No – in fact, very few issues are simple.

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Why do you have to be so insulting, unintentionally, as I know you to be a good sort?

I know all about the local and other chambers…

If the umbrella destroys the Land of Laws, which the open borders/invasion of slave labor and related illegalities do, then all other are peanuts.

Surely, you grasp this. I have no intentions of sorting out the local/micro hay.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM

I don’t live in MS, KY, or Cantor’s district in VA, however in the end I would vote for the GOP candidate if given a choice. Anyone with a D besides their name only empowers the real enemy of America ….Obama, Reid and Pelosi.

We’re not going to make wholesale changes overnight, so at the very least I want the elected GOP candidates to feel somewhat beholden to a large and growing portion of their voting block (us). I promise you any Democrat will not feel that obligation.

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM

The most intelligent post on this thread. I blame the right wingers more than the left wing loons who refuse to vote and have the nerve to bitch. Shut up if you don’t vote, you don’t have a say.

Redford on July 23, 2014 at 11:32 AM

How do you propose to bring this about? Because, at the present time, that sense of being beholden to voters does not exist. The only sense of indebtedness they have is to their donors, not us.

lineholder on July 23, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Ask Eric Cantor about the voters.

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:30 AM

And you see the causes being supported by the CoC as a means of succeeding in that?

What about the people who have been the reliable portion of the Party for years who become disassociated because the Republican party no longer stands for positions they can support? How many of those reliable trustworthy voters do you think we can afford to lose?

lineholder on July 23, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Schad, it’s not that I am for the so-called establishment, it’s just that I’m still a romantic for Reagan’s big tent philosophy, Besides I want to attract people to our cause not turn them away because they are not yet 100% on board.

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:30 AM

My good friend
Let people vent.

RR, the good ol’ chap is dead.

If the DIABLOs don’t wake up, so is the land.

Nov. will be telling. Don’t put too much hope into the DC rats, from both sides.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:34 AM

I don’t live in MS, KY, or Cantor’s district in VA, however in the end I would vote for the GOP candidate if given a choice. Anyone with a D besides their name only empowers the real enemy of America ….Obama, Reid and Pelosi.

We’re not going to make wholesale changes overnight, so at the very least I want the elected GOP candidates to feel somewhat beholden to a large and growing portion of their voting block (us). I promise you any Democrat will not feel that obligation.

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Most intelligent post on this thread. If you don’t vote right winger, I blame you more than left wing loons. They do vote. And you have no right to bitch and moan.

Redford on July 23, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Nunn is already characterizing Perdue as Romney. Hmmm, GA went to Romney in 2012.
But expect ‘war on women’ and ’1%’ from Nunn. Hell, maybe even binders of women. She’ll put out all the old Dem/0bama bag of tricks.

Brat on July 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Why do you have to be so insulting, unintentionally, as I know you to be a good sort?

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM

My apologies – I did go off on a rant.

I simply tire of the negativism I see, I hear, and I read each and every day.

I know the pendulum will swing back – it always has and it always will.

We in the GOP need to be the most impressive citizens we can be -

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Tater Salad on July 23, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Thank you for making my point. The course of action chosen by the voters wasn’t even close to conforming to the expectations of the Republican Party GOPe. They voted based on their conscience!!

In doing so, they proved that they can not be taken for granted.

lineholder on July 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Voters in MS don’t turn the cogs, Haley Barbour does. And he did whatever it took. And the GOPe contributed large amounts of cash to make it happen. They no longer represent me.

d1carter on July 23, 2014 at 11:38 AM

This post at AceHQ shows how the Chamber of Commerce and their lobbyists are in open war with conservatives.

WSJ Op-Ed: Hey, Conservatives, Stop Beating Up on Crony Capitalism

tetriskid on July 23, 2014 at 11:40 AM

We in the GOP need to be the most impressive citizens we can be -

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM

No need to apologize. It was just a general observation. The big rat is infested/decaying and we need not focus on the little ones.

Heh, on the “impressive”. “We” voted for all the rats in DC.

Utopian is fun, observing it on both sides :)

Reality is that both parties are corrupt, possibly beyond hope.

No one here needs convincing of anything. Only the trolls are targets and I don’t care to have them in any club.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:41 AM

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Jake, a lot of the negativity you hear is because the Republican party is abandoning it’s traditional platform, leaving voters in a state of disassociation and unable to determine if they still support the things that the Republican party stands for (whatever that may be).

The GOPe is trying to straddle the fence without making commitments either way. That doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

lineholder on July 23, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Thank you for making my point. The course of action chosen by the voters wasn’t even close to conforming to the expectations of the Republican Party GOPe. They voted based on their conscience!!

In doing so, they proved that they can not be taken for granted.

lineholder on July 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM

The best case scenario for this election would be if the House were held and the Senate taken over, but McConnell and Boehner were sent home, er, to DC lobbying firms.

It would not make me shed one tear if McConnell lost. I’ve already voted against him once this cycle. Why not do it again?

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:43 AM

canopfor on July 23, 2014 at 11:08 AM

The Establishment is still in denial that amnesty and the illegal surge on the border was what cost Cantor his seat. But it is reality.

I predict that in November, the “wave” isn’t going to be much more than a ripple, and it’s going to be because of amnesty. Candidates openly backed by the US Chamber of Crony Capitalism are going to do particularly bad.

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:11 AM

ConstantineXI: With four months to go, anything can happen,
and the GOP, seem to boink it up, I hope not:)

canopfor on July 23, 2014 at 11:44 AM

I simply tire of the negativism I see, I hear, and I read each and every day.

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Confucius say, in war, kill enemy first, then give great speech

faraway on July 23, 2014 at 11:45 AM

I’ve already voted against him once this cycle. Why not do it again?

ConstantineXI on July 23, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Because you have to live with yourself. Better to skip the sen. item.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:45 AM

I simply tire of the negativism I see, I hear, and I read each and every day.

jake-the-goose on July 23, 2014 at 11:35 AM

It’s not “negativism”; it’s ammo/food.

Schadenfreude on July 23, 2014 at 11:46 AM

The Chamber of Commerce is now threatening to support democrats…..
I guess the cronies at the government feed trough are still hungry.

redguy on July 23, 2014 at 11:47 AM

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