Ways and Means Committee: We’ve learned that Lois Lerner’s hard drive was scratched — but data was recoverable

posted at 6:01 pm on July 22, 2014 by Allahpundit

We’re getting closer to the inevitable comic finale of this charade, when video emerges of Lerner beating her hard drive with a hammer and House Democrats still end up arguing that Republicans are jumping to conclusions.

There’s literally nothing, short of a videotaped confession of wrongdoing, that’ll make suspicions about this bipartisan. And since we’re three and a half months out from an election, I’m not sure a confession would do it either.

Despite early refusals to make available IT professionals who worked on Lois Lerner’s computer, Ways and Means Committee investigators have now learned from interviews that the hard drive of former IRS Exempt Organizations Director Lois Lerner was “scratched,” but data was recoverable. In fact, in-house professionals at the IRS recommended the Agency seek outside assistance in recovering the data. That information conflicts with a July 18, 2014 court filing by the Agency, which stated the data on the hard drive was unrecoverable – including multiple years’ worth of missing emails…

It is also unknown whether the scratch was accidental or deliberate, but former federal law enforcement and Department of Defense forensic experts consulted by the Committee say that most of the data on a scratched drive, such as Lerner’s, should have been recoverable. However, in a declaration filed last Friday by the IRS, the agency said it tried but failed to recover the data, but is not sure what happened to the hard drive afterwards other than saying they believe it was recycled, which, according to the court filing means “shredded.”

Further complicating the situation, the Committee’s investigation has revealed evidence that this declaration may not be accurate. A review of internal IRS IT tracking system documents revealed that Lerner’s computer was actually once described as “recovered.” In a transcribed interview on July 18, IRS IT employees were unable to confirm the accuracy of the documents or the meaning of the entry “recovered.”

So, to sum up, (1) the hard drive was physically damaged somehow; (2) the computer is mysteriously missing now, despite possibly having been recovered at one point; and (3) the IRS apparently ignored the advice of its own tech people in declining to bring in outside help to get the data back. I have the same question Ace does: How does a modern hard drive end up being scratched, and not just scratched to the point that some of the data is unavailable but basically all of it is? Is there any innocent explanation for that, like accidentally dropping a computer off a desk? I asked Hot Air’s webmaster and resident tech expert, Mark Jaquith, and he told me it’s possible to physically scratch the drive by dropping a laptop: Although the drive’s R/W heads have some give, a modern laptop’s accelerometer could quickly “park” those heads in place, producing a metal-on-metal effect. That could wipe out some data or the FAT table (the drive’s glossary) or a “platter,” which would render the drive inaccessible for physical reasons. Mark says, though, that a metal-on-metal scratch would make a terrible noise. I don’t recall Lerner claiming that she dropped her computer or heard any such noise like that before her hard drive failed, but am happy to be corrected if I missed something.

Also, what about the “less than 20″ other IRS employees who lost data after their computers crashed? More scratches? The taxman’s hands sure are slippery when he’s toting his laptop around.


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You’ll have better luck finding out the cause of the MH17 Crash, than the Lois Lerner hard drive crash.

portlandon on July 22, 2014 at 6:06 PM

I’d always assumed these were desk top computers. Was I wrong in that assumption? And this happened to 20 computers? This even strains the probability meter I would think.

UnderstandingisPower on July 22, 2014 at 6:06 PM

There’s literally nothing, short of a videotaped confession of wrongdoing, that’ll make suspicions about this bipartisan.

ReWrite™ engaged for currency. It matters not whether there is an election coming up in 3 1/2 months – the Rats are true believers in the “By Any Means Necessry Every Means Possible” principle. The only thing a taped confession along with a video of Lerner taking the claw hammer to the drive might (and I stress MIGHT) do is cause Bo(eh)ner to open up Congressional Jail for her.

On second thought, since she was targeting a common enemy, and Bo(eh)ner already survived his primary, probably not.

Steve Eggleston on July 22, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Why is the IRS still being funded…?

Seven Percent Solution on July 22, 2014 at 6:07 PM

And Lerner isn’t already in shackles, why…?

Aizen on July 22, 2014 at 6:09 PM

The comic part of this hasn’t even started yet. Right now, we are approaching farce. Comic is when Lois starts negotiating with the same committees she has stonewalled for a year, thinking that if she can turn Plouffe over to them they’ll cut her some slack.

Silly Lois.

MTF on July 22, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Just for a minute … imagine this was the Bush administration.

Democrats and liberal drones would be apoplectic.

darwin on July 22, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Also, what about the “less than 20″ other IRS employees who lost data after their computers crashed? More scratches? The taxman’s hands sure are slippery when he’s toting his laptop around.

The simplest explanation has always been around a conspiracy / concerted effort by those involved in the abuses of power around the deliberate targeting of conservative organizations to spoil or destroy evidence of their conspiracy and any links of that conspiracy (and its creation) to outside departments, agencies, or the White House.

The timing of these events of damaged hard drives and lost data around the notifications of litigation and Congressional investigations cannot be explained by any other manner – particularly just being a coincidence.

I still believe that the private litigation, from True the Vote, Judicial Watch, and some of the other targeted organizations, will do more to get to the bottom of this conspiracy and abuses of power than any Congressional investigation short of a Select Committee or a Special Prosecutor.

In fact, what should happen in the House based on this new information is a call from the Speaker for a Select Committee to be formed.

Athos on July 22, 2014 at 6:12 PM

And Lerner isn’t already in shackles, why…?

Aizen on July 22, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Because she’s a democrat. Unless she squeals she’s protected. If she squeals her body may never be found.

darwin on July 22, 2014 at 6:13 PM

We are watching a criminal conspiracy playing out right before our eyes, and all the Democrats in Congress can do is a “see no evil” act. Given the fact that so many have the intelligence of monkeys on crack, that’s not really surprising.

Athanasius on July 22, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Were the servers damaged, too?

8 weight on July 22, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Just for a minute … imagine this was the Bush administration.

Democrats and liberal drones would be apoplectic.

darwin on July 22, 2014 at 6:11 PM

The administration would not have survived 2007, and with no Carl Albert refusing to take the office by nefarious means, we would have had President Pelosi.

Steve Eggleston on July 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Just for a minute … imagine this was the Bush administration.

Democrats and liberal drones would be apoplectic.

darwin on July 22, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Exactly. I will repeat: if this was the previous administration I would be just as mad. The corruption here is just disheartening.

WitchDoctor on July 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Because she’s a democrat. Unless she squeals she’s protected. If she squeals her body may never be found.

darwin on July 22, 2014 at 6:13 PM

I think she would have done that already if she was planning on squealing. Whatever is preventing her from doing so (aside from her own ego and narcissism) must be pretty big. As in, Obama’s goons high up in the executive branch having dirt on her, or threatening to cut her loose if she talks. Which wouldn’t be very surprising, actually.

Aizen on July 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM

How big is a smidgen ?

burrata on July 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Every new piece of news that comes out about this tells me that the emails directly implicated Obama and/or his closest aides and therefore had to be destroyed.

supernova on July 22, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Just for a minute … imagine this was the Bush administration.

darwin on July 22, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Sadly, we have no movement, and no activists.

The bear is urinating on our picnic.

faraway on July 22, 2014 at 6:18 PM

1) So any details yet on why the drive’s case was removed to expose the platters, and
 
2) if not, why not, and
 
3) is that standard protocol by what are obviously not even Geek Squad level techs at the IRS?
 
Or did they just take nail clippers to the external circuit board and leave the actual drive intact?

rogerb on July 22, 2014 at 6:20 PM

How refreshing would it be if just one Democrat in congress had enough of this nonsense and called for full disclosure by this administration? Just one.

I guess I’ll just go back to grooming my unicorn.

dirtseller on July 22, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Every new piece of news that comes out about this tells me that the emails directly implicated Obama and/or his closest aides and therefore had to be destroyed.

supernova on July 22, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Exactly. It’s Deja Vu all over again, and only a couple of weeks away from the 40th anniversary of Nixon’s resignation for a far less serious “offense”.

Del Dolemonte on July 22, 2014 at 6:22 PM

The bear is urinating on our picnic.

faraway on July 22, 2014 at 6:18 PM

lol…what?

kcewa on July 22, 2014 at 6:22 PM

“Scratched” has another meaning. It is an old IBM mainframe term meaning delete/erase. When you “scratch” a dataset, you delete/erase it. Saying “scratched” might just mean the harddrive was (deliberately) erased.

suburbanite on July 22, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Have noticed the Obama and Putin administrations are starting to sound and act the same. ………”I knowwwww nooothiing”.

Tater Salad on July 22, 2014 at 6:23 PM

How refreshing would it be if just one Democrat in congress had enough of this nonsense and called for full disclosure by this administration? Just one.

I guess I’ll just go back to grooming my unicorn.

dirtseller on July 22, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Joe Lieberman retired earlier this year.

Del Dolemonte on July 22, 2014 at 6:23 PM

I think she would have done that already if she was planning on squealing. Whatever is preventing her from doing so (aside from her own ego and narcissism) must be pretty big.

Aizen on July 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Just think of the democrat party as the Mafia … or worse, Stalin’s government.

darwin on July 22, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Here is the facts on a modern hard drive platter…
Yes, they can be damaged by malfunctioning bearings/heads or being dropped hard enough.
No, the information cannot be totally wiped from the hard drive from these problems. The physical disk surface can sustain damage and still be readable. A competent recovery service will disassemble the hard drive and remove the platters and put them in a make shift hard drive to be read. Almost all the information if not all of it can then be copied onto a new hard drive.
This costs a fortune for people like me, but if you got about $2000 for a 250 GB hard drive, you can recover your wedding photos and videos you took on your honeymoon. This price has probably dropped in the last few years as it is likely the make shift hard drives have been improved for both wide usability and speed of recovery not to mention that they probably get more people needing their data recovered.

astonerii on July 22, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Isn’t there an article in a back issue of the Honolulu Advertiser verifying that Obama is telling the truth about the hard drives?

kcewa on July 22, 2014 at 6:25 PM

I think she would have done that already if she was planning on squealing. Whatever is preventing her from doing so (aside from her own ego and narcissism) must be pretty big. As in, Obama’s goons high up in the executive branch having dirt on her, or threatening to cut her loose if she talks. Which wouldn’t be very surprising, actually.

Aizen on July 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Multiple-choice answer time:

A) “If you talk, this unsigned pardon disappears and you serve hard time.”

B) “If you talk, you’ll get the full Foster treatment, and our handwriting experts will confirm that “you” wrote a full denial of whatever you said just before “you” put 11 bullets into your body.”

Steve Eggleston on July 22, 2014 at 6:25 PM

How refreshing would it be if just one Democrat in congress had enough of this nonsense and called for full disclosure by this administration? Just one.

I guess I’ll just go back to grooming my unicorn.

dirtseller on July 22, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Some pressure needs to build on some of these D Senators up for reelection. If they see this may effect them then they will all be asking for full disclosure. Somehow force them to get involved.

Tater Salad on July 22, 2014 at 6:26 PM

I would suspect they kept it out of the WH, however I think Axelrod and Plouffe knew all about it and were probably getting info for OFA.

Tater Salad on July 22, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Yep, the entire hard drive was “scratched”.

Bishop on July 22, 2014 at 6:29 PM

As they go through every email, the emails will be available after they have been “scrubbed” or found not to have any damaging evidence…however, several days of emails will be “missing”.

The problem with that is eventually the emails will surface, since all emails are sent by someone, or received by someone…

right2bright on July 22, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Bravo for the opening of this article…

mjbrooks3 on July 22, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Just think of the democrat party as the Mafia … or worse, Stalin’s government.

darwin on July 22, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Stalin’s government doesn’t seem too far off from this.

Multiple-choice answer time:

A) “If you talk, this unsigned pardon disappears and you serve hard time.”

B) “If you talk, you’ll get the full Foster treatment, and our handwriting experts will confirm that “you” wrote a full denial of whatever you said just before “you” put 11 bullets into your body.”

Steve Eggleston on July 22, 2014 at 6:25 PM

The first is more likely, as I’ve said in the past that what the Lerner side is trying to do is drag this out as long as possible so she can simply be pardoned by Obama. Of course, she has to last until after the midterms, not to mention up until the end of the Obama government (if there even is an end to it).

Aizen on July 22, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Scratched Hard Drive, my azz.

The IRS is loaded with criminals who all need OJ jumpsuits.

dogsoldier on July 22, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Some pressure needs to build on some of these D Senators up for reelection. If they see this may effect them then they will all be asking for full disclosure. Somehow force them to get involved.

Tater Salad on July 22, 2014 at 6:26 PM

Yep, Land in MI should be asking Greasy Peters that very question. Unfortunately her commercials show 2 kids running around a backyard swingset. She won’t get tough, so she’s gonna lose.

8 weight on July 22, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Is it time to subpoena the contents of Obama’s Blackberry yet?

Steve Eggleston on July 22, 2014 at 6:32 PM

The hard drive is going to show up in a couple of months. Right now it’s being artfully recreated, with email communications proving that Ms. Lerner and the Obama Administration have nothing but the highest regard for Constitutional procedures. It will show definitively that there was not a smidgen of corruption at the venerable institution that is our IRS.

It may even have an authentic copy of Ogabe’s Hawaiian birth certificate on board.

NOMOBO on July 22, 2014 at 6:32 PM

“Scratched” has another meaning. It is an old IBM mainframe term meaning delete/erase. When you “scratch” a dataset, you delete/erase it. Saying “scratched” might just mean the harddrive was (deliberately) erased.

suburbanite on July 22, 2014 at 6:22 PM

This point notwithstanding, you always have to wonder with this D.C. crowd.

Given the low level of technical comprehension by all involved (to include reporters as well as politicians), what exactly does it mean when the “hard drive” is said to be scratched? Which component of the hard drive? some internal component? or maybe an exterior scratch?

Lolo on July 22, 2014 at 6:32 PM

If Justice and the FBI will not seriously look into this, the House needs to give Gowdy some additional investigative duties and turn him loose on this too.

Tater Salad on July 22, 2014 at 6:33 PM

This is descending into soap opera.

Akzed on July 22, 2014 at 6:35 PM

The republicans are only good at one thing—theatrical shows that are performed only to fool the base. The fact that not a single person has ever been prosecuted, jailed or fired as a result of any of these snake oil sales pitches by repubs. is all you need to know. It’s instrumental to note that when the Pubs. are in the minority they find all kinds of corruption or Democrat wrong doing to investigate and hold hearings. Why do they focus on it when they are in the minority? Is it the only time corruption runs rampant in DC? Or is it all for show to get the base out to vote?

they lie on July 22, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Isn’t there an article in a back issue of the Honolulu Advertiser verifying that Obama is telling the truth about the hard drives?

kcewa on July 22, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Heh. I think Candy Crowley has the transcript proving BO’s credibility at her fingertips.

Syzygy on July 22, 2014 at 6:36 PM

I lost an external hard drive once. Dropped it off a table onto a tile floor. Recovery was possible, but it was expensive ~$500 and far more than the data than I had on there.

ted c on July 22, 2014 at 6:36 PM

…send in the National Guard!

JugEarsButtHurt on July 22, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Steve Eggleston on July 22, 2014 at 6:25 PM

You left out the part to answer (A) that she also will lose her full pension and all retirement benefits.

Lerner is, as evidence from her tenure at the FEC demonstrates, a full on ideologue / true-believer progressive-fascist.

She, and the others implicated, knows that they have a pardon waiting, if they are ever really prosecuted (and Eric Holder will do he can to protect her and the others implicated).

There remains no real reason for any of them to talk even with the evidence pointing more and more to a massive criminal conspiracy in the name of political expediency.

Athos on July 22, 2014 at 6:39 PM

not to mention up until the end of the Obama government (if there even is an end to it).

Aizen on July 22, 2014 at 6:31 PM

There won’t be. The October 2016 Surprise is going to be nothing short of a calamatous national disaster, forcing an unwilling Ogabe to declare martial law and postpone the elections until the effects of the national disaster are gone(which may be sometime in 2084).

NOMOBO on July 22, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Nothing to see here……phony scandal
-lsm

cmsinaz on July 22, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Is it time to subpoena the contents of Obama’s Blackberry yet?

Steve Eggleston on July 22, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Admin: Sorry, executive privilege.

Athos on July 22, 2014 at 6:40 PM

NOMOBO on July 22, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Sorry, but I will personally ensure he is removed.

8 weight on July 22, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Is it time to subpoena the contents of Obama’s Blackberry yet?

Steve Eggleston on July 22, 2014 at 6:32 PM

It’s gone. Moochie ate it.

NOMOBO on July 22, 2014 at 6:42 PM

who gives a damn about her drive?
its not where mail is stored.
the whole improper and illegal (as in not following their own rules) server setup is a huge issue nobody seems to want to look at.

dmacleo on July 22, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Her emails had to go through a server. Even if she “archived” her emails on her computer and they were lost, server logs should still be able to show who all her email went to and who sent her email. Go to those computers with that info and track down the emails. Why is that so hard for Issa to do?

Aplombed on July 22, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Here is the facts on a modern hard drive platter…
Yes, they can be damaged by malfunctioning bearings/heads or being dropped hard enough.
No, the information cannot be totally wiped from the hard drive from these problems. The physical disk surface can sustain damage and still be readable. A competent recovery service will disassemble the hard drive and remove the platters and put them in a make shift hard drive to be read. Almost all the information if not all of it can then be copied onto a new hard drive.
This costs a fortune for people like me, but if you got about $2000 for a 250 GB hard drive, you can recover your wedding photos and videos you took on your honeymoon. This price has probably dropped in the last few years as it is likely the make shift hard drives have been improved for both wide usability and speed of recovery not to mention that they probably get more people needing their data recovered.

astonerii on July 22, 2014 at 6:24 PM

You can buy a 2TB (terabyte) desktop drive for $85-$150, depending on the brand and quality Laptops with hard drives nowadays usually have a 320Gb or 500Gb drive, and they’re giving way to SSDs (solid state drives), usually 128 or 256Gb.

You can’t “scratch” a drive anyway, but you can bounce the heads off of the platters by dropping it (on a laptop, that is) or bouncing it off of a desk while the drive is spinning, and the heads aren’t parked. This usually puts divots or dings in the platters, and causes hard errors. Doing a defrag on the drive will just mark the sectors as bad, so data won’t be written data to them.

And yeah, even if the drive crashes, you can send it off to someone like OnTrack that can recover the data, by doing things like swapping the platters into another drive of the same make and model.

Ward Cleaver on July 22, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Why is nobody bringing up the fundamental fact about email – namely that emails are not stored on a hard drive, they are stored on a server, making them accessible from anywhere? Who cares if her hard drive “crashed”. Just pull the emails from the server. Also, find out who she sent emails to and subpoena their hard drives.

charlestperry on July 22, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Her emails had to go through a server. Even if she “archived” her emails on her computer and they were lost, server logs should still be able to show who all her email went to and who sent her email. Go to those computers with that info and track down the emails. Why is that so hard for Issa to do?

Aplombed on July 22, 2014 at 6:42 PM

True. If they’re using Outlook it resides on a Exchange server, and if they’re on Google Apps, it’s hosted at Google. Office 365 mail can be hosted internally (internal servers), or at Microsoft.

Ward Cleaver on July 22, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Sorry, but I will personally ensure he is removed.

8 weight on July 22, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Damn, you must be good. Don’t forget that DHS, the Post Office, and every XYZ federal agency now has a fully armed employee roll, including tanks, rocket launchers, fully automatic weapons, and full riot gear. And a penchant for protecting their King.

NOMOBO on July 22, 2014 at 6:47 PM

I hope someone has a camera on Lois Lerner when she learns that the files are recoverable.

Tater Salad on July 22, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Republicans went to Richard Nixon and told him they would vote to impeach, he resigned. That was a really serious step to take, yet they did it, because it was the right thing to do. Are there no honest Democrats?

bflat879 on July 22, 2014 at 6:50 PM

That could wipe out some data or the FAT table (the drive’s glossary) or a “platter,” which would render the drive inaccessible for physical reasons.

Minor nit from this IT geek, but the FAT file system hasn’t been in mainstream use for quite some time. If the IRS was using any modern operating system — Windows XP, Windows 7, etc. — then their file system is likely going to be NTFS. NTFS has a bit more redunancy for its file information than FAT does, meaning that depending on the size of the damage to the drive of course, its more likely recoverable than under FAT.

Still, this is the IRS we’re talking about. If they were using a 20 year old file system, that wouldn’t surprise me.

Shump on July 22, 2014 at 6:50 PM

There won’t be. The October 2016 Surprise is going to be nothing short of a calamatous national disaster, forcing an unwilling Ogabe to declare martial law and postpone the elections until the effects of the national disaster are gone(which may be sometime in 2084).

NOMOBO on July 22, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Sounds about right.

Honestly? Let him try that. He’d only be helping conservatism even more, and with Republicans like Jeb Bush and that moron Boehner, Obamaism is probably the strongest argument for conservatism.

Aizen on July 22, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Are there no honest Democrats?

bflat879 on July 22, 2014 at 6:50 PM

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Silent reflection…

haahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha

faraway on July 22, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Dead giveaway–the scratch reads “L.L. + B.O.” with a heart around the letters.

PattyJ on July 22, 2014 at 6:52 PM

It’s time for a SPECIAL PROSECUTOR NOW.

The IRS will NEVER be credible again without getting to the bottom of this.

Armyspouse on July 22, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Republicans went to Richard Nixon and told him they would vote to impeach, he resigned. That was a really serious step to take, yet they did it, because it was the right thing to do. Are there no honest Democrats?

bflat879 on July 22, 2014 at 6:50 PM

The last one was probably Carl Albert, who refused to hold up Gerald Ford’s nomination as VP so that once Nixon was removed, he would be President.

Steve Eggleston on July 22, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Why is nobody bringing up the fundamental fact about email – namely that emails are not stored on a hard drive, they are stored on a server, making them accessible from anywhere? Who cares if her hard drive “crashed”. Just pull the emails from the server. Also, find out who she sent emails to and subpoena their hard drives.

charlestperry on July 22, 2014 at 6:44 PM

I doubt that the IRS provided much user storage on their e-mail servers (I would venture a guess of less than 50MB). A user could blow through 50MB in no time with all of those .PDFs of Tea Party tax returns and such. I would bet that they instituted a policy requiring users to archive their own e-mail messages locally (i.e., on their desktop computers) to minimize the servers’ storage requirements. In MS Lookout (er, Outlook), this is done with .PST files.

suburbanite on July 22, 2014 at 6:54 PM

I guess now our congress is just as much of a laughing stock as our courts and laws.

Lonetown on July 22, 2014 at 6:55 PM

20 hard drives go down in flames in relatively the same period?

No hay manera, Joseph.

Having worked in an IRS programming unit for 4+ years, I don’t think we had 1 go thud in a unit of about 30 people running about 50 PCs, including servers.

formwiz on July 22, 2014 at 6:55 PM

NOMOBO on July 22, 2014 at 6:47 PM

you scared bro?

8 weight on July 22, 2014 at 6:56 PM

destroying evidence is against the law; somebody needs to be prosecuted

burserker on July 22, 2014 at 6:58 PM

This is a tangled web of lies.

It may yet come undone.

The hard drive may not even have been destroyed it sounds like.

But now 20 other computers?

Where are the whistle blowers? Come forth, speak.

petunia on July 22, 2014 at 6:59 PM

I think she would have done that already if she was planning on squealing. Whatever is preventing her from doing so (aside from her own ego and narcissism) must be pretty big. As in, Obama’s goons high up in the executive branch having dirt on her, or threatening to cut her loose if she talks. Which wouldn’t be very surprising, actually.

Aizen on July 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM

What keeps her from squealing? How about a pension package worth well over a million dollars?

slickwillie2001 on July 22, 2014 at 7:00 PM

…blah blah blah…it’s Lois Lerner time.
coolretarded

JugEarsButtHurt on July 22, 2014 at 7:03 PM

More BS IT wording. Floppy disks or CDROMs got scratched. Hard drives develop bad sectors, have mechanical problems, or just fail. You’d have to open one to tell if it was scratched which is nothing anyone but a lab would do.

You can tell you are still not at someone who knows anything yet.

aniptofar on July 22, 2014 at 7:03 PM

You’ll have better luck finding out the cause of the MH17 Crash, than the Lois Lerner hard drive crash.

portlandon on July 22, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Ok that was very good. Very good.

Parmenides on July 22, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Where are the whistle blowers? Come forth, speak.

petunia on July 22, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Well they have to blow first. Then we can find them by echolocation.

Parmenides on July 22, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Just to explain a “scratch”.

If the hard drive’s read/write arm gets jolted hard enough while the drive is spinning, it can scratch one or more of the magnetic platters of the drive. A simple “drop” will generally not do it. It takes a major fall, throwing it, or someone slamming it/hitting it while it is spinning. If you want real damage to occur and have any likelihood of corrupting a lot of data, you have to mean it (like with a hammer).

When normally running and you have a hard drive fail, you get the blue screen of death almost always before or just as the point of physically scratching begins. Regardless, the damaged areas are very tiny no matter what, as the drive stops before anything major happens. You know, to let you recover data. Its designed that way. Go figure.

In either event, much of (if not the great majority of) the data can still be recovered. No question about it.

This stinks on ice.

Irritable Pundit on July 22, 2014 at 7:19 PM

None of this, is an accident.

mmcnamer1 on July 22, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Incredible corruption.

Jaibones on July 22, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Deliberate.

vnvet on July 22, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Someone said it earlier, the lid will get blown off of this through the civil lawsuits out there.

In both cases, the judges have ordered a written explanation, under oath. Congress might be reluctant to jail someone for contempt, but a federal judge damn sure won’t. And perjury will get your a$$ locked up for a long time.

The first time some IRS clown gets their a$$ thrown in the pokey by one of the judges for being evasive, all bets are off. Lois Lerner may be a dyed in the wool Obamabot, but you can rest assured some 3rd tier lifelong bureaucrat won’t throw it all away for the cause.

BacaDog on July 22, 2014 at 7:39 PM

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mankai on July 22, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Absolutely nothing to see here people. Move along….Keep moving….watch your back…..keep moving…..

Johnnyreb on July 22, 2014 at 7:49 PM

In both cases, the judges have ordered a written explanation, under oath. Congress might be reluctant to jail someone for contempt, but a federal judge damn sure won’t. And perjury will get your a$$ locked up for a long time.

I used to believe that. Now I’ll have to see it in this banana republic.

Lonetown on July 22, 2014 at 7:51 PM

When an IT person says that magnetic media has been ‘scratched’ they normally mean that it was reformatted. It has nothing to do with physical damage. A scratch tape, for instance, is a tape that was previously used and then recycled. This term applies to virtually any field that uses magnetic tape (video, audio production etc.). Think ‘scratch’ paper.

Long Legged MacDaddy on July 22, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Ive said since the beginning of this, all these so called “lost” emails will connect the triangle between the IRS-Dems in congress- white house. They conspired to rig the 2012 election after the 2010 election results and the Tea Party influence. They did not like conservative grass roots organizing and feared the citizens gaining power so they just started to use their positions illegally to suppress them.

jaywemm on July 22, 2014 at 7:56 PM

A semantic note on what “restored” can mean:.

If LL’s hard drive failed for some reason (such as being “scratched” by a sub-atomic rodent invading computer enclosures at IRS offices throughout the land) and IT techs made a notation of “restored” it would not mean that the scratched hard drive had been restored. It would mean that her computer had been restored… which would involve installing a new hard drive and restoring her data and programs to that new drive from back up sources.

This is why – I repeat again, and again – the focus on what might have happened to back-up tape media six months later is largely missing a critical point. The question is, did the back-ups exist at the time of the crash? And, if so, was her system not restored at the time, using the admittedly existent back-up media?

This “restored” notation would suggest that this is exactly what happened. Which is exactly what was supposed to happen. It’s sort of — duh — the reason for the back-up in the first place.

All this talk about restoring the data from the original disk is fine, but it’s not the whole story, not even close.

IndieDogg on July 22, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Those e-mails will NEVER see the light of day.

The “scratch” on the hard drive probably means that it somehow got “bumped” while it was spinning around at something like 7500 rpm. Think rubber mallet, or just drop the laptop to the floor while booting up. The result is an instantly damaged sector or two, and blue-screen-of-death whenever you try to boot up (especially if the drive is encrypted).

An agency like the IRS, and especially for executives of the agency probably had a policy of doing full partition encryption (a pretty standard Windows option) on hard drives. If the person whose hard drive crashed somehow managed to lose the “recovery keys” (the passwords that allow decryption of a damaged drive), it would take years for supercomputers to get the lost files from the drive. Sure, you can read the undamaged sectors, but what you can read is gibberish without the keys. Unless you are trying to prevent the utter destruction of the world, there isn’t much point in trying to recover data from an encrypted drive without the recovery keys.

This has been carefully planned by clever people. If we’re lucky, they may have been too-clever-by-half (as the Brits would say) and we’ll see some folks get token jail sentences. More likely is that the perpetrators of this felonious conspiracy will simply smile their way on into a comfortable retirement.

DaveK on July 22, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Can anyone tell me if a Presidential pardon protects you in the case of a civil suite? I can see criminal, since that is its general use, but civil???

seymour01 on July 22, 2014 at 8:50 PM

How about if you “dropped” it off a 20 storey building? Would THAT scratch the hard drive?

Blaise on July 22, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Why is nobody bringing up the fundamental fact about email – namely that emails are not stored on a hard drive, they are stored on a server, making them accessible from anywhere? Who cares if her hard drive “crashed”. Just pull the emails from the server. Also, find out who she sent emails to and subpoena their hard drives.

Ummm, that’s not a universal, “fundamental” fact about e-mail. They’re stored on a server until they’re read. After that (if the user does not wish to keep the message as “unread”), it all depends on the particular mail program and configuration. On one of my e-mail accounts, there’s an upper limit to the number of archived e-mails it keeps on the server, but I set it up so that they’re automatically stored on my hard drive. On another account that uses a private mail system contained within my employer’s computers, the e-mails aren’t accessible from “anywhere”, only on a small number of computers. Not all e-mail is Gmail or Outlook.

ajb3 on July 22, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Obama says there is not one iota of evidence of wrong-doing.

But that’s what happens when you walk around with your head up your ass.

GarandFan on July 22, 2014 at 9:02 PM

I’ve been doing computer repair for many years, and I can’t remember the last time I saw a hard drive head crash. It’s almost always a bad controller board, when it isn’t a straight forward corrupted directory.

claudius on July 22, 2014 at 10:13 PM

The IRS trash the hard drive operation was code named, “No Blue Dress.

barnone on July 22, 2014 at 10:35 PM

I’ve been doing computer repair for many years, and I can’t remember the last time I saw a hard drive head crash. It’s almost always a bad controller board, when it isn’t a straight forward corrupted directory.

claudius on July 22, 2014 at 10:13 PM

Claudius – I agree.

When you erase a file on a computer, you do not erase the file, you merely change the first character of the file name on a table (FAT) that lists the location on the hard drive where the data is stored. In most cases, pieces of a large file are stored at dozens if not hundreds of different locations on a drive. Even if a drive has been optimized, a large file like your Outlook email PST file is several GB in size. Even if it were erased (letter changed) it would take weeks to add enough new information on a hard drive to force the overwriting of the data stored there.

There is NO FREAKIN WAY that the whole Outlook PST file was lost.

barnone on July 22, 2014 at 10:42 PM

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mankai on July 22, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Smidgen droppings.

partsnlabor on July 22, 2014 at 11:19 PM

I would not mind if they threw the book at some low level employees so they would run for cover the next time they are told to do things that are illegal or corrupt by political appointees. Oh well, if Lois gets off scott free, that would be an even better lesson to the lackeys that listen to her. Someone might know something and squeal.

Fleuries on July 22, 2014 at 11:20 PM

The vagaries, arguments and discussions relevant to computers, hard drives, etc., is lost in the reality that honesty, virtue and truth are non-existent in this administration. Totally absent!! Vapid!! Gone! It reminds me of any lab experiment with laboratory rats, where deprived of something they have gotten used to, they start to eat each other. We’re coming to that over the IRS scandal.

No wonder that our First and Second Amendment rights are under siege: they are “inconvenient” to the ruling party, and are viewed as limits to their progressive goals.

The legitimate and proper regime change is looming on the horizon, with partial relief this Fall (but without results until 2015) and then the 2016 election. But only if the Right can maintain a coherent and likeable platform versus “every candidate for his/herself” like we usually see!! Party unity is key – but the platform must be sound!!

crankybutt on July 23, 2014 at 12:16 AM

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