Univision anchor: No government should be in the business of deporting children

posted at 8:01 pm on July 22, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via RCP, it’s Jorge Ramos, a guy so deep in the tank for illegal immigration that even other members of America’s pro-amnesty media are known to grumble about it. The most revealing thing about this clip is how little his argument depends on the particular hardships being suffered by kids in Central America. They face gangs, drugs, and violence if they’re sent back, he allows, but there’s no sense that this is some unique crisis requiring a more forgiving policy than might otherwise be advisable. He’s making a straight-up argument, essentially, that if a kid makes it across the border, a compassionate country should take him in, period. Quote: “First, we treat children like children, as if they were our own.” In fact, this bit makes me wonder what he has in mind by way of comprehensive immigration reform:

Deporting kids won’t solve anything.

The only long term plan that will work is immigration reform.

With immigration reform these children would arrive in a safe and orderly way.

They would? Visas on demand for the children of Central America, many of whom are years away from “doing the jobs Americans won’t do” and contributing to the economy, as amnesty fans so often emphasize vis-a-vis adult illegals? I’d be curious to hear Marco Rubio’s, John McCain’s, or even Chuck Schumer’s take on that. Ramos may well be right on how the Gang of Eight bill would operate in practice but the main beneficiaries of more liberal admission policies are supposed to be highly skilled immigrants, not young state dependents. I’m sure Schumer, at least privately, would be happy to see the bill metastasize into de facto open borders for vast populations in Mexico and Central America — hence Ramos’s confusion — but I’m not so sure Rubio and the Republicans do. You don’t suppose they misjudged the left’s intentions on this issue, do you?

Say this for the guy, though. At least he’s honest, calling for amnesty for the kids outright instead of jerking around with phony “due process” arguments designed to wreck the system so that they have amnesty in practice but informally. Exit question: If governments shouldn’t be in the business of deporting children, Mexico should go ahead and amnestize all the Central American kids currently waiting near its northern border to cross into Texas, right?


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I’ve worked with African immigrants,, that came here legally. They were wonderful, hard working. Good people.

Doesn’t mean I want 12 million more.

Untul 1965,, we always limited inflow.

wolly4321 on July 22, 2014 at 9:33 PM

When the dust settles, I bet we find out this jorge Ramos guy is in neck-deep collusion with Obama cronies, and all this is coordinated and planned out in advance.

Harbingeing on July 22, 2014 at 9:33 PM

I’m tired of politicians and ‘activists’ using kids – they’ve enticed kids to come here illegally to exploit the better nature of Americans for their own political advantage. Its just sick.

Deporting kids won’t solve anything.

Actually, it will. It will discourage others from making the journey to come here by taking away the incentive.

LilyBart on July 22, 2014 at 9:41 PM

Deporting kids won’t solve anything.

If you harden your laws, yes it will.

Laws aren’t built on feelings.

nobar on July 22, 2014 at 9:44 PM

This man makes me physically ill. I saw him on O;Reilly saying that every child currently here should be aloud to stay with full benefits, period, end of story. O’Reilly’s refutation was incredibly weak and lame.

I wanted O’Reilly to ask him “What about the kids that come a week, month, or year from now? Can we deport them?” Of course Ramos’ answer would be no, but he might take a dodge. So, really, if you follow his logic, we have to pay to feed, clothe, house, and educate every single child on planet earth who manages to make it into our country illegally.

Paperclips on July 22, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Paperclips; you may end up feeding, clothing, etc. all the chilluns, but what if I find a way to avoid doing so?

DemetriusPhalerum on July 22, 2014 at 9:52 PM

Shut up george….we dont need your input……

crosshugger on July 22, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Hahas, Crosshugger. I had a maintenance feller where I used to work who was ‘hispanic’ (whatever that mesns). I called him George. All the liberalistas bitched at me that I should call him ‘horhey’. Until they asked him. ‘My name is George’.

DemetriusPhalerum on July 22, 2014 at 9:57 PM

Deporting kids won’t solve anything.

Well, since 80% of recent border jumpers prefer to break U.S. law as a
“family unit”… Jorge may have a point.

The “UAC’s” are only 20% of the problem.

lynncgb on July 22, 2014 at 9:58 PM

Not to mention every poor hispanic chick I see around here has 5 kids in tow. As they are taking the bus to DES.

wolly4321 on July 22, 2014 at 9:58 PM

Crosshugger: I worked with an Hispanic (whatever that means) feller who I always called ‘george’. The liberalistas I worked with browbeat me to call him ‘horhey’ until one of them asked him what his name was. ‘My name is george’.

DemetriusPhalerum on July 22, 2014 at 10:01 PM

“No government should be in the business of deporting children”

Fair point Jorge. Now can you please explain to us why exactly it is so permissible for the Governments of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador to do so? Why are they deporting their children to us? Why are they sending their kids into exile? How can this be moral or just or legal?

patches on July 22, 2014 at 11:18 PM

We’re not deporting them, we’re just sending them home… to THEIR home…

Khun Joe on July 22, 2014 at 11:25 PM

A c’mon….
They’re “migrants.”
That means traveling, wandering, drifting, nomadic, roving, roaming, itinerant, vagrant, transient….so they won’t be staying.
This is just a rest stop on the way to Canada.
/s
III

Sgt Stryker on July 22, 2014 at 11:41 PM

Actually, it will. It will discourage others from making the journey to come here by taking away the incentive.

LilyBart

What he means is it won’t solve what he sees as the problem….a lack of open borders.

xblade on July 22, 2014 at 11:48 PM

So you want other countries to educate people just so they can ship them to you and they can stay poor and backward forever. Yeah that is a great plan.

coolrepublica

Then they can stay the f%&k where they are. Contrary to popular belief, our immigration system exists to benefit us, not everyone else in the freakin’ world.

xblade on July 23, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Jorge is a Mexican citizen. Does anybody else get the irony of his arguing that “a compassionate government” takes in children? What about your country, Jorge? Mexico has been facilitating Central American migrants passing through their country as long as they aren’t sticking around.

MargaretMN on July 23, 2014 at 1:32 AM

Deporting kids won’t solve anything.

Jorge Ramos @realclearpolitics.com on July 22, 2014

.
If you harden your laws, yes it will.

Laws aren’t built on feelings.

nobar on July 22, 2014 at 9:44 PM

.
‘Soft immigration laws’ aren’t the biggest problem … ‘soft enforcement’ is.

listens2glenn on July 23, 2014 at 1:43 AM

Latin Americans bring Left Wing Values from their home country with them. The idea that they are somehow pro-family, pro-religion conservatives is not going to translate into our system as conservative voters, just the opposite. It might mean that the whole country goes the way of California as far as voting. If Texas falls, it is over and Texas very well could fall.

timoric on July 23, 2014 at 6:40 AM

“No government should be in the business of deporting children …”
STOP EXPORTING CHILDREN FROM THEIR NATIVE LAND AGAINST THEIR WILL.

kregg on July 23, 2014 at 6:51 AM

Hey, Jorge Ramos, parents should not be sending their kids to the USA. Particularly by coyote.

sadatoni on July 23, 2014 at 7:48 AM

America needs to streamline the process of getting people here legally. And we should just most of our new comers from one corner of the world. we need to diversify. Why can’t we get more people from Africa or the Caribbean to come here. Why is Latin America the only area they seem to want the president to open the border for?
Some kids in Gaza right now would love to come here too. But I get the distinct impression that the people pushing for immigration have their favorite countries they primarily want people to come from.
Latin America
Ireland
Korea
India
No one is lobbying for people in other parts of the world. Even our immigration policy is hostage to special interest. It’s tiring.

coolrepublica on July 22, 2014 at 8:35 PM

That’s a great idea. What could possibly go wrong?

RINO in Name Only on July 23, 2014 at 8:08 AM

Let Univision build a palace for them in their home countries. Ramos needs skin in the game rather than volunteering the US to take care of these “kids”.

DimsdalePiranha on July 23, 2014 at 8:09 AM

This is a complete failure of any moral perspective whatsoever.

First, children must look first to their parents and their more extended families for their care. Not to the governments of these United States and not to the American people generally. We are not a collective – yet.

Second, these same children will move to neighborhoods in America’s cities where they will still face guns, gangs, drugs, violence, poverty and poor schools. And they’ll get dependency on government to boot. Have we made them better off?

Third, there is no limiting principle to this approach. There are millions of kids in Africa, South Asia, the rest of Latin America who suffer the same trials and tribulations as these kids from Central America. Are we to take all them in as well?

Fourth, he gives no regard to the idea that a nation-state, any nation-state, must have a common culture and must protect that common culture through well-defined borders enforced by government, regulated immigration and assimilation. The US is the most diverse and tolerant country on Earth. But there are some minimal requirements to hold this country together. Jorge wishes to toss all of those aside.

Finally, I don’t give him credit for being straightforward. His reason seems to have failed him and his knowledge seems sparse. He’s either ignorant and stupid, or he’s hiding his true motivation.

Esaus Message on July 23, 2014 at 8:10 AM

NO government should allow illegals to cross over the boarder!! America needs to take care of their own first. Ship them all back now! They are illegal!! CLOSE THE BOARDER

karlinsync on July 23, 2014 at 8:54 AM

Maybe he should read Mexico’s constitution.

RdLake on July 23, 2014 at 8:58 AM

I would be interested to know just exactly how many of these lice infested, diseased, abused young travelers Jorge has taken into his home and the bosom of his family — Although I think I know the answer!!!!

Pecozbill on July 23, 2014 at 9:06 AM

What part of ILLEGAL doesn’t Ramos understand? Yet, Marine SGT Tahmooreesi–who mistakenly took a wrong turn into Mexico–sits rotting in a Mexican jail for the fourth month straight. This prompts me to respond:

No government should be in the business of JAILING WAR HEROES!

Armyspouse on July 23, 2014 at 9:15 AM

Hey, Jorge! F.U.

As an aside, “No civilized government uses children to invade another country or to foist off their problems onto someone else.”

GWB on July 23, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Here’s an interesting article on Rep. Issa’s recent fact-finding trip to Central America.

Unsurprisingly, he finds that most of the illegal aliens coming here from the region are coming for economic reasons, and not because of violence. (And hey, why shouldn’t they, when we have so many unfilled jobs here going begging, right?)

Also, note the photo of the lovely processing center set up to receive deported children who’ve been returned home (doesn’t really look like “certain death” to me — what do you think?). It’s sitting empty. No surprise there. We’ve known all along, just like the coyotes and the illegals know, that Obama has no intention of deporting any significant number of the recent arrivals, regardless of what the law requires.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/07/22/Rep-Issa-s-Offers-Observations-on-the-Border-Crisis-Following-His-Trip-to-Central-America

AZCoyote on July 23, 2014 at 9:33 AM

We’re not deporting them, we’re just sending them home… to THEIR home…

Khun Joe on July 22, 2014 at 11:25 PM

A great line…I am going to steal that…

right2bright on July 23, 2014 at 9:34 AM

What kind of filthy, degenerate culture allows for gang infested societies where you then “save” your children by sending them off alone or with other criminals in order to get free sh1t from someone else.

ClassicCon on July 23, 2014 at 9:38 AM

It sounds like Mexico is in the business of deporting OTHER countries children, into the United States.

Fleuries on July 23, 2014 at 9:42 AM

The United States is a sovereign country. We are a nation of laws and bounded by a Constitution.

The process of legal immigration has been established over the years to ensure an orderly process. It is a reasonable system that contributes to our safety, well-being and ultimately the survival of our society.

Illegal immigration is nothing of the sort. It has no respect for law or an ordered society. It does nothing to ensure our safety. health, welfare and fiscal security. In fact, it endangers all those positive qualities, deteriorates our exceptional American culture, creates a dependent class and destroys our communities. This is all evidenced in the current degradation which is underwritten by Democrats and the President.

People, no matter who they are, what their personal situation is or where they come from do not have a “right” to come here in violation of our law. Their country of origin and birth has a responsibility to care for them. A failure of those home countries to do so does not give their citizens license to illegally enter our country.

These are perhaps the most empty, contra-intellectual, fallacious pathos based arguments I have ever heard. Their defenders use ad hominems and pejoratives as a means of defending what is otherwise intellectually indefensible.

They should be ashamed of the anarchy and destruction being wrought on our society. That is, if they had any.

Marcus Traianus on July 23, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Bull- – -t.

rplat on July 23, 2014 at 10:21 AM

No government should be in the business of deporting children

Ramos should trying saying that in Espanolish. In central and south American countries. And Mexico.

Then STFU…

Willys on July 23, 2014 at 10:25 AM

My first thought is, how many of these illegals has Jorge Ramos opened the doors of his home to as he wants our country to open it’s doors. He’s another of the advocates that believe we need immigration reform because our immigration system is broken. What is really broken is that our government has not secured our borders and enforce the laws for sixty years. Lets do that first and find out if the system is really broken. It’s amazing that every country in the world has a right to secure it’s borders except us

savage24 on July 23, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Why does this sound something like, “they can keep having kids till their hearts are content, then you ALL should take care of them“?

-west

mr_west on July 23, 2014 at 10:38 AM

It is not about deporting children who have entered this country illegally and been assisted by the regime to do so with the hope of creating a new voter base of dependent aliens, who will further drain the country’s ability to create an economy to care for them.

The current invasion is a reenactment of the “Muriel Boatlift”, on a larger scale.

MSGTAS on July 23, 2014 at 10:45 AM

And why is Jorge Ramos here? Did his family have to escape from their country or origin?

If so, why don’t activists study the “root causes” as they say of all this immigration and solve it where it begins.

PattyJ on July 23, 2014 at 11:28 AM

They face gangs, drugs, and violence if they’re sent back

Won’t be long before Americans have to immigrate to another country to escape the gangs, drugs and violence brought by the people who immigrated here to escape gangs, drugs and violence.

clearbluesky on July 23, 2014 at 11:29 AM

No government should be in the business of dumping their children in the United States. Well, along with the other varied detritus of their societies.

allstonian on July 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Univision anchor: No government should be in the business of deporting children

Too bad we missed our opportunity with this guy!

cajunpatriot on July 23, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Elian Gonzales says “Hi”.

Axeman on July 23, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Deporting kids won’t solve anything.

Jorge Ramos @realclearpolitics.com on July 22, 2014

It seems to me that Jorge’s anger is entirely misplaced as he should be directing this at El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras – not to mention Mexico for their role in facilitating those countries deporting their kids and encouraging them to break US law by illegally entering the US.

I would think that if those nations are the s***holes that we’re being told that they are, because of corruption, criminal gangs / cartels, and a ‘lack of opportunities’, the moral responsibility would be to take efforts in those countries to fix them….a responsibility that people like Jorge Ramos should be leading.

Athos on July 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM

They face gangs, drugs, and violence if they’re sent back

Don’t we then also have a responsibility to all the children living in those places? why don’t we then invade and take over?

Or, in the alternative, should every child under 12 in the world be sent to America now? After all, most places in the world children face gangs, drugs, and violence.

Facts and logic are never used by amnesty-shills and the left (but I repeat myself).

If we have an obligation to accept every child who comes from a lousy part of the world, then our obligation and entitlement is to invade those countries to make the better for the children living there.

either we are responsible for all children in the world or we are not. Which is it?

It is of course a dishonest argument, because the leftists/”conservative” amnesty shills who use this argument do not support invading and colonizing all of South/Central America. therefore, they are dishonest in asserting this as an argument.

I actually believe the world would be much better off if we invaded all of central/south America and colonized it. the rampant leftism that has destroyed those countries needs to be destroyed with violence, just as the same rampant leftism seeking to destroy America needs to be destroyed with violence.

the only way to defeat leftism is through violence. That is all they understand.

Monkeytoe on July 23, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Go ahead, keep flipping U.S. Citizens the middle finger and spitting on us and see where that gets you. These low life TURDS don’t seem to understand that no other country in the world allows this sort of behavior, for many valid reasons.

dogsoldier on July 23, 2014 at 12:56 PM

So Ramos must agree that Mexico and the other sources of invaders must stop deporting kids to the U.S. Dude is pure F—wit!

Ay Uaxe on July 23, 2014 at 1:16 PM

In my studied opinion, Jorge needs a plate of reality chased with a nice large cup of STFU.

PJ Emeritus on July 23, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Someone should explain to this clueless leftist that hospitality to strangers does NOT apply to those who kick in your front door.

Citizen Jerry on July 23, 2014 at 3:29 PM

And no government should be in the business of smuggling them into another country where they have to be deported.

yesiamapirate on July 23, 2014 at 3:32 PM

OK, so why are Central American countries deporting their children?

Why are people from Central American countries allowed to cut in line in front of people from the rest of the world?

Meremortal on July 23, 2014 at 3:52 PM

All these citizens of Mexico and Central America think they should be able to tell us what our immigration policy should be. These people are just pushy. They are your stinking children. You should take care of your own stinking children. Who do they think they are?

magicbeans on July 23, 2014 at 3:57 PM

It’s only “America” for these racist mutts when it’s only Latinos….it’s only America for the Muslims when it’s muslims….it’s only America for blacks when it concerns only blacks. It’s disgusting that those Latinos that are here have no concern for US immigration laws whatsoever. As long as they’re of the same ethnicity then they’re all “good’ and we must accept them…then being illegal to them matters not. We’ve lost this country…we’ve been balkanized, segregated… selfish and unconcerned with border, culture, laws or this country. Look no further than Europe to see what uncontrolled immigration has done to France, Denmark, Germany or England.

FlaVet on July 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM

El_Terrible says: “Ramos position is that they should be brought here in a safe and orderly way. In other words, eventually he’ll demand that the US send planes and buses for them.”

If anyone decides to take my advice on the first page of comments about engaging the “compassionate” crew and gets stuck, tweet me and I’ll provide an answer. In this case, the answer is to point out that we aren’t going to let every child in CentAm come here, meaning that some would be rejected. And, some of those rejected would try to come here anyway, leading to more border deaths. The answer is to also point out that the U.S. being CentAm’s nursery is extremely unhealthy and the impact that will have on CentAm.

coolrepublica says: “Why can’t we have more people from Africa? African immigrants are the top 2 most well educated groups in America.”

That will have a negative impact on Africa, depriving of the people they need to improve. And, that leads to issues for the U.S.: more foreign aid, more regional instability, more famines, more wars, more terrorism.

24AheadDotCom on July 23, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Then, why don’t you tell all those South and Central American countries to stop deporting their children to The US?

Old Country Boy on July 24, 2014 at 8:50 AM

No country should be exporting its children.

rennyangel2 on July 24, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Then, why don’t you tell all those South and Central American countries to stop deporting their children to The US?

Old Country Boy on July 24, 2014 at 8:50 AM

Exactly.

Kevin71 on July 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

I would have given a grand to see someone chuck cement blocks at that idiot as he was swimming the Rio Grand, or release a school of piranha upstream.

archer52 on July 24, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Yep,this is America.Now the get them the hell out!

redware on July 24, 2014 at 4:11 PM

So much for the 4th Estate presenting balanced news. I’m tired of the media being the mouthpiece of liberalism if not the current administration.

geezerintraining on July 24, 2014 at 6:44 PM

“No government should be in the business of deporting children……..” No government should be in the BUSINESS OF IMPORTING children. Especially just to use them for political purposes.

TheNakedEye on July 24, 2014 at 11:09 PM

tell that to
Guatamala
Honduras
El Salvador
Mexico

sniffles1999 on July 25, 2014 at 2:59 PM

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