The coming progressive schism

posted at 7:01 pm on July 19, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

There’s big trouble in little Progressivetown, folks. That’s trouble with a capital T, which rhymes with We, as in We (meaning Daily KOS) won’t be going to Netroots Nation next year because it’s being held in Arizona.

Netroots Nation announced two days ago that Phoenix, Arizona would host its 2015 conference. I wish the conference the best, but it will unfortunately take place without Daily Kos’ attendance or assistance.

I made very clear in the wake of Arizona’s passage of SB 1070 that I would not be setting foot in the state, nor spending a dime in it until the law was revoked. The law, however gutted by the courts, remains on the books, as does systemic harassment of Latinos, so my pledge still stands.

This seems to be yet another example of a trend noted in the media this week, in which liberals were fighting an internecine battle over immigration policy and the President’s response to the situation at the border. Clearly Markos came down on the nay side of the question, or perhaps “neigh” (sorry…) leading to the opt out. This shocking announcement comes on the heels of the current Netroots Nation, which actually seemed to be picking up some steam this year with the addition of Elizabeth Warren as a featured speaker.

Warren defined the conservatives’ “internal motto” as “I got mine, the rest of you are on your own.” By contrast, she said progressives are guided by the “principle” that “we all do better when we work together and invest in building a future… not just for some of our kids, but for all of our kids.” …

“Oh, and we believe that corporations are not people, that women to have a right to their bodies,” she said to escalating cheers. “We will overturn Hobby Lobby and we will fight for it!”

This is more unusual than it sounds at first blush. I’ve written repeatedly over the years on the subject of liberal cohesion and how it often outshines conservatives in that area. The progressive movement is actually made up of a far more splintered, eclectic groups of single issue voters than you typically find in the three legs of the conservative stool. Various strains of feminists, abortion rights groups, multiple racial equality columns, environmental activists, societal safety net socialists, outright communists and others all have traditionally seemed to put aside their various differences or jockeying for top billing and work together to elect the most left leaning Democrat they can enlist.

But this is something different. The hard boiled, further left activists are close to outright rebelling against Hillary, starting the Ready for Warren movement, and the cornerstones of progressivism like Markos are boycotting their own keystone events. There’s something in the air, and all you can really do is get out the popcorn.


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The hard boiled, further left activists are close to outright rebelling against Hillary, starting the Ready for Warren movement, and the cornerstones of progressivism like Markos are boycotting their own keystone events. There’s something in the air, and all you can really do is get out the popcorn.

Now is the time to start baiting them at all levels. Rumors, out of context claims, subtle outright lies and hate..and of course, the most damaging, the truth about them. Let them attack and eat each other.

Mimzey on July 19, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Never underestimate the Democrats’ capacity for party discipline. It’s their greatest asset. At the same time, while the GOP is currently seeing its grassroots fighting its establishment backed by the Chamber of Commerce, the Chamber may find its options limited in a general election as the Warren-coalition on the left is not exactly favorably disposed towards the business community. I’d have a good, hearty laugh though if both parties ended up nominating populists leaving the Chamber out in the cold in 2016.

Stoic Patriot on July 19, 2014 at 7:09 PM

The progs are getting a peek behind the curtain, and they aren’t digging the little pip squeak at the megaphone…

bimmcorp on July 19, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Nothing to this. They will all be marching in lockstep come 2016.

Mark1971 on July 19, 2014 at 7:13 PM

What this thread needs is more trolls.

There’s something in the air, and all you can really do is get out the popcorn.

When you mix your oil popped with some air popped you get twice the popcorn and half the guilt.

cozmo on July 19, 2014 at 7:13 PM

The anti-American Chamber of Crony Fascism thirst for serf labor seems to be insatiable.

They have no country. The mere spot on which they stand does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. – Thomas Jefferson

BTW, let’s not call it the Orwellian “Immigration Reform” when it’s Amnesty/Rewards for tens of millions of Third World Invaders because the greedy Chamber of Commerce members want to use them as serf laborers.

VorDaj on July 19, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Let the Left go full Left. Nothing could be better for us,

Mord on July 19, 2014 at 7:19 PM

The hard boiled, further left activists are close to outright rebelling against Hillary

Hillary was NEVER going to be the Democratic nominee. She isn’t a good politician, nor is she very likable.

There’s something in the air, and all you can really do is get out the popcorn.

Their abiding hate for what remains of western civilization will unite them until they see it destroyed. They bicker constantly, but they will all be there for the final bonfire.

sharrukin on July 19, 2014 at 7:19 PM

President Cruz will send them over the edge.

cozmo on July 19, 2014 at 7:20 PM

President Cruz will send them over the edge.

cozmo on July 19, 2014 at 7:20 PM

I`d dance in the streets if that happened. :)

ThePrez on July 19, 2014 at 7:22 PM

The law, however gutted by the courts, remains on the books, as does systemic harassment of Latinos, so my pledge still stands.

Had I his media power and wealth, or were Andrew Breitbart still alive, a pledge of $1 million to this moron’s favorite charity would be offered and publicized for a SINGLE EXAMPLE that proves “systemic harassment of Latinos.”

These scum pull this shiite out of their arses and feed it to their masses of useless (aside from reliably voting D) idiots who blindly and happily consume it without thought or objection.

Worse yet, most R’s allow these Big Lies to be perpetrated without even bothering to counter them and call out these scum for their shameless demagoguery …

ShainS on July 19, 2014 at 7:23 PM

The coming progressive schism

Oh, I thought this would be about the pro-homosexuality groups vs. the pro-Islam groups within the Democrat party.

itsnotaboutme on July 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Until you understand that American liberalism/progressivism/Democrat Party is itself a religion to these people and most of its adherents treat it as such, you will never understand them. Once you view them through that lens, everything they do makes sense. They always circle the wagons, and win or lose, 2016 will be no different.

Remember, they are liberals first. Their pet issue takes a backseat – Tammy Bruce’s experience with NOW and OJ Simpson is probably the most colorful example of this truth.

King B on July 19, 2014 at 7:26 PM

“Oh, and we believe that corporations are not people, that women to have a right to their bodies,” [Elizabeth Warren] said to escalating cheers. “We will overturn Hobby Lobby and we will fight for it!”

Corporations are people…judicially recognized since c1819 (Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward)…to coin a phrase, Lizzie: It’s. The. Law.

Newtie and the Beauty on July 19, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Methinks the Democrat Party is rapidly approaching that time when some serious navel gazing will be in order…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 19, 2014 at 7:38 PM

as the Warren-coalition on the left is not exactly favorably disposed towards the business community.

Don’t believe the hype…she is supporting the Ex-Im bank. She’s a crony just like the rest…just has thicker make-up on.

ChrisL on July 19, 2014 at 7:40 PM

D’ya’ think any of them will turn to God ?

I mean for real … as opposed to using God as a “fashion accessory”, to impress others.

listens2glenn on July 19, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Warren defined the conservatives’ “internal motto” as “I got mine, the rest of you are on your own.” By contrast, she said progressives are guided by the “principle” that “we all do better when we work together and invest in building a future… not just for some of our kids, but for all of our kids.”

Uh, no. The progressives “internal motto” is “I’ve got mine, and I’m pulling up the latter after me. But I’ll make other people pay you to not even try.” By contrast, conservatives are guided by the principle that we work best when we are competing each other, that investment by individuals is better at building the future than investment by politicians, and that all parents should be able to choose what schools their kids go to, not just the wealthy and politically connected.

Count to 10 on July 19, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Maybe Big Sis’ Nutpolitano bought the billion rounds of ammo to use in case any of her fellow brownshirts got uppity?

viking01 on July 19, 2014 at 7:46 PM

D’ya’ think any of them will turn to God ?

I mean for real … as opposed to using God as a “fashion accessory”, to impress others.

listens2glenn on July 19, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Only if they can lift from the collection plate…

viking01 on July 19, 2014 at 7:47 PM

viking01 on July 19, 2014 at 7:46 PM

If by that you mean to arm them, then yes.

cozmo on July 19, 2014 at 7:48 PM

The law, however gutted by the courts, remains on the books, as does systemic harassment of Latinos, so my pledge still stands.

This stuff makes me reach for the duct tape to keep my head from exploding.

Apparently the Left sees all Hispanic-surnamed individuals as recent arrivals to our frijoled plains, and all us bad whities in the border states are out to harass their wee brown butts because Rayciss!

What is not fathomable to them is that HUGE numbers of Texans, New Mexicans and Arizonans are and were and have always been legal and long-established citizens of our states. We’e ALWAYS shared our land with people named Lopez and Ramos as well as Schnieders and Culpeppers.

The idea that border authorities now suddenly and randomly harass anyone with a suntan and black hair is just insane.

There are signs, if you will, that indicate that someone is a recent border crosser, and law enforcement will pull over cars or individuals who exhibit those telltales. Hell, I’ve been pulled over several times by the Border Patrol, and as a blond-haired blue-eyed grandma, I chose not to assume the Hispanic BP agent was exhibiting racism.

As is clearly evident, these Nut Root types don’t live in border states and don’t have to actually deal with reality that doesn’t match their bigotry.

Dolce Far Niente on July 19, 2014 at 7:48 PM

There’s only so much pie – even less so in a bad economy – and the Lefties are beginning to turn and rend.

Goody.

formwiz on July 19, 2014 at 7:50 PM

They have no principles in any real sense. Feminists were fine with Bill Clinton and hated Sarah Palin. Black liberals call conservative blacks oreo and Uncle Tom and are perfectly happy in the party of Robert Byrd (Exalted Cyclops of the KKK).

They are anti-(opposed to a particular practice, party, policy, action, etc.). They will drop their pretense of being against racism if that is convenient. The feminists will embrace Islam because they both have the same goal. They don’t actually believe in whatever cause they are currently riding.

Expecting a clash between leftists based on principles is to fundamentally misunderstand the left. They may clash over power and tactics, but not principles.

sharrukin on July 19, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Oh, I thought this would be about the pro-homosexuality groups vs. the pro-Islam groups within the Democrat party.

itsnotaboutme on July 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM

They have a while to go before that particular cognitive dissonance starts making waves.

Count to 10 on July 19, 2014 at 7:52 PM

The hippies are finally retiring. The average age of Woodstock attendees was 22 in 1969. The average age of these same attendees in 2016 will be 67. The people with the big bucks just prior to retirement will be people whose first Presidential vote was for Carter—and whose second was for Reagan.

Sekhmet on July 19, 2014 at 7:52 PM

There is no “coming” schism. There already is one. However, it is effectively meaningless because Democrats will vote “D” no matter what, so even if the really far left-wingers are unhappy they still fall in line on election day.

Warner Todd Huston on July 19, 2014 at 7:55 PM

liberalism perverts everything even its own……

crosshugger on July 19, 2014 at 7:55 PM

“Warren defined the conservatives’ “internal motto” as “I got mine, the rest of you are on your own.”

“Mine” didn’t move here for the welfare, but to escape religious persecution. There was not much of anything, and the notion that it would even be a sovereign nation was a radical idea. We fought her scalping forebears and fought the mightiest empire in the world, too, and we wanted to preserve this wonderful nation that came to be the freest on this earth. Legal immigrants are and always have been welcome. It’s exploitative scofflaws we don’t want. The ones already here are problematic enough.

ezspirit on July 19, 2014 at 7:56 PM

The hippies are finally retiring.

Jesus, can they just die already? The boomers think we still have the economy they grew up in, and they don’t understand that every other in the world is pegged to ours.

ezspirit on July 19, 2014 at 7:57 PM

And the progressives are all lockstep. Don’t kid yourself. There’s no schism.

ezspirit on July 19, 2014 at 7:58 PM

…where is that braying ass… bayam?

JugEarsButtHurt on July 19, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Expecting a clash between leftists based on principles is to fundamentally misunderstand the left. They may clash over power and tactics, but not principles.

sharrukin on July 19, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Clashes over power and tactics can be the bloodiest. Just ask Zombie Leon Trotsky.

Steve Eggleston on July 19, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Warren defined the conservatives’ “internal motto” as “I got mine, the rest of you are on your own.”

But Warren and all her liberal supporters repeat the phrase,“I got mine, the rest of you are on your own.”

You don’t see Warren and her liberal supporters giving any of their loot to me or anyone else.

Hhhhyppppoooocrites!!!

Did you expect them to share THEIR wealth?

You are a fool if you did.

slp on July 19, 2014 at 8:01 PM

D’ya’ think any of them will turn to God ?

I mean for real … as opposed to using God as a “fashion accessory”, to impress others.

listens2glenn on July 19, 2014 at 7:44 PM

So, I just want all of you to pray that I can be an instrument of God in the same way that Pastor Ron and all of you are instruments of God.

God bless you. I thank you for this time to visit and worship with you, and I guarantee you that this is not good-bye, this is just hello. Because I’m gone come back, and we’re going to keep on worshiping together, and we’re going to keep on building together, and we’re going to keep on praising together.

I’m confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on earth.

October 8, 2007
Redemption World Outreach Center
Greenville, South Carolina
(Axe, from video)

^ They believe Man can build Heaven on earth. They believe people working to build Heaven on earth are “instruments of God.”

I worked as a community organizer in Chicago. I was very active in low income neighborhoods, working on issues of crime, education and employment, and seeing that in some ways, certain portions of the African-American community are doing as bad if not worse [as they were doing 30 years ago], and recognizing that my fate remained tied up with their fate, that my individual salvation is not gonna come about without a collective salvation for the country. Unfortunately, I think that recognition requires that we make sacrifices, and this country has not always been willing to make the sacrifices necessary to bring about a new day and a new age.

August 9, 1995
Dreams From My Father

^ Salvation is something that happens on earth, to material Man. A new age can be created on earth by Man. Salvation comes through Man’s sacrifice, and through his sacrifice, he can usher in a New Age.

It is said that faith is a belief in things not seen, and miracles, by their nature, are inexplicable gifts from God.

But sometimes, if we look hard enough at the moments we triumph against the greatest of odds, we can see His will at work in the people He loves.

Commencement and Katrina & Gulf Recovery
August 11, 2006
Xavier University Commencement Address
New Orleans, Louisiana

^ Miracles are things that Man does. When they correspond to the “will of God,” they can be called miracles, evidence of his “hand will at work.”

. . . ten thousand more of these . . .

I think they have a god, L2G.

/just talking.

Axe on July 19, 2014 at 8:03 PM

*”hand/will”, or pick one :) — sorry, bad edit.

Axe on July 19, 2014 at 8:04 PM

So are we going to see ten articles a day about the Democrat Civil War?

Cindy Munford on July 19, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Cindy Munford on July 19, 2014 at 8:05 PM

I hope not. Too much jumping around.

Collate them and make them QOTD. If the trolls show up, they will be entertaining.

cozmo on July 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Clashes over power and tactics can be the bloodiest. Just ask Zombie Leon Trotsky.

Steve Eggleston on July 19, 2014 at 7:59 PM

They can, but Trotsky and friends are as dangerous an enemy as the Stalinists were. Just ask those who fell victim to his Red Terror.

Trotsky was used until he was not needed any further and then disposed of, but he always remained a Marxist.

sharrukin on July 19, 2014 at 8:10 PM

The hard boiled, further left activists are close to outright rebelling against Hillary, starting the Ready for Warren movement, and the cornerstones of progressivism like Markos are boycotting their own keystone events.

This is nothing more than noise. Regardless of whether What Difference Does It Make? or Lieawatha is the nominee, the left will back them 99.9999% in 2016. So enjoy it now, but don’t expect it to mean much in an election year.

Physics Geek on July 19, 2014 at 8:11 PM

there is no democrat progressive schism. the right wing has become so repugnant it is the democrats greatest unifier.

brushingmyhair on July 19, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Expecting a clash between leftists based on principles is to fundamentally misunderstand the left. They may clash over power and tactics, but not principles.

sharrukin on July 19, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Clashes over power and tactics can be the bloodiest. Just ask Zombie Leon Trotsky.

Steve Eggleston on July 19, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Right now the only “clash” seems to be between those who want to exterminate all of humanity other than their own perfect selves (the deep-ecos) and the ones who want to have at least ten slaves per philosopher-king (the rest).

So far, the “kill ‘em all” crowd seems to be winning all the debates.

clear ether

eon

eon on July 19, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Warren defined the conservatives’ “internal motto” as “I got mine, the rest of you are on your own.”

WTF? This is the motto of the Clintons, the Obamas, Gore, Steyer, Zuckerberg, every Hollywood lib-prog, and every other wealthy lib-prog I can think of.

BuckeyeSam on July 19, 2014 at 8:19 PM

The coming circular firing squad of bat-scat crazy lefties vying for power is going to be fun to watch!!

rmkdbq on July 19, 2014 at 8:21 PM

By contrast, she said progressives are guided by the “principle” that “we all do better when we work together and invest in building a future… not just for some of our kids, but for all of our kids.” …

This is some of the creepiest nonsense I’ve ever heard. That “principle” was valuable during World War II, but it’s not the American Way in peacetime. America provides the opportunity to you to pursue your version of happiness–not some collective version of happiness. She’ll be the “everybody gets a trophy” candidate. I hope she runs, and I hope that she loses as badly as McGovern.

BuckeyeSam on July 19, 2014 at 8:23 PM

The leftist scum will line up to goosestep to whatever piece of leftist trash gets nominated and they are told by the MSM to goosestep to, so all this talk about splintering is nonsense.

Smegley on July 19, 2014 at 8:25 PM

cozmo on July 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Well that would be fun but I don’t foresee the MSM writing anything about a rift in their universe.

Cindy Munford on July 19, 2014 at 8:26 PM

I hope she runs, and I hope that she loses as badly as McGovern.

Who will be the new Nixon?

Bertram Cabot Jr. on July 19, 2014 at 8:27 PM

The progressive movement is actually made up of a far more splintered, eclectic groups of single issue voters than you typically find in the three legs of the conservative stool.

Progressives are more unified precisely BECAUSE they have a lot more single-issue voters.

yaedon on July 19, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Here’s the long version:

The progressive movement is actually made up of a far more splintered, eclectic groups of single issue voters than you typically find in the three legs of the conservative stool.

The fact that the progressive movement is “made up of a far more splintered, eclectic groups of single issue voters than you typically find in the three legs of” conservativsm is a non-issue. Social Liberals (pro-aborts, pro-amnesty, pro-ssm, for example) who aren’t also fiscally progressive suicidal (pro-bailout, pro-deficit, pro-lowered-revenue-through-higher-taxes)? That’s a rare bird. A few progressives are also pro-defense (the third of the three legs), but that is also an increasingly rare bird.

Further, the single-issue voters of progressivism are less mutually exclusive than the single-issue voters of conservatism, so it doesn’t matter that the progressives have a lot of single-issue voters. That is actually a strength of progressivism. The single-issue abortion voter doesn’t care that government spending is out of control. Neither does the single-issue union voter. Therefore, the eclectic nature of progressive single-issue voters helps the Democrat progressive party because they can be the “big tent” party without offending a significant portion of their constituents.

However, the single-issue voters of conservatism are more often mutually-exclusives. Take, for instance, the fiscal conservative and the defense conservative. They are almost intrinsically at odds. On the other hand, the Keynesian and the progressive war-hawk both want to spend more money. So do the environmental wacko and the labor union executive. There are competing interests in progressivism, but (by nature because progressivism seeks to eliminate all constraining forces but government) they are fewer than in conservatism. Almost everything in progressivism costs the taxpayers more. Conservatism is more balanced because it includes the idea that the government and government spending should be limited.

The only real schism among progressives is between the labor unions (who only want to hurt business as much as they can as long as it doesn’t hurt them) and every other progressive (who wants to hurt business as much as they can, period). Several deep schisms exist among conservatives. Fiscal v. Defense , Social v. Fiscal, and Defense v. Social. All three legs of conservatism have significantly opposing views on issues that are important to them. Progressives generally have significantly opposing views on issues that are NOT important to them precisely because they have a LOT of single-issue voters.

Conservatives broadly take a more comprehensive view of the country, its direction, and its leadership. As a result, conservatives are generally more firm on what is and is not acceptable in the policy claims of a particular candidate. Therefore, conservatives are more splintered than progressives BECAUSE they are NOT single-issue. Having a lot of single-issue voters is a political strength if you can string enough of them together.

yaedon on July 19, 2014 at 8:49 PM

there is no democrat progressive schism. the right wing has become so repugnant it is the democrats greatest unifier.

there is no democrat progressive schism. the right wing has become so repugnant it is the democrats greatest unifier.

brushingmyhair on July 19, 2014 at 8:11 PM

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Damn ! . . . . . he/she figured us out … : (

listens2glenn on July 19, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Typo…netroots nation

Shouldn’t that be NutRoots Nation?

txdoc on July 19, 2014 at 9:15 PM

By contrast, she said progressives are guided by the “principle” that “we all do better when we work together and invest in building a future… not just for some of our kids, but for all of our kids.”

By “invest” she means what Backstab Oblather means: picking everyone’s pocket to buy what she and her cronies are selling. If a thug in the street did that to you, it would be called “extortion” but when a caring progressive blowhard does it, it’s “investing”.

Marxism is for dummies on July 19, 2014 at 9:27 PM

systemic harassment of Latinos,

Yes and Americans overstaying their visas in Britain and France are sought out by those nations’ respective Home Offices.

It’s systemic harassment of Caucasians!

jangle12 on July 19, 2014 at 9:33 PM

It is clear that you don’t really understand the left. For the left, it’s all about power. If they have to become pro-life, anti-gay, and pro-coal to get and retain power, so be it.

AtTheRubicon on July 19, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Ned will have a fit.

Schadenfreude on July 19, 2014 at 9:52 PM

If the country had a somewhat intelligent opposition party, which we do not have, they would understand where to drive the wedges.

Mr. Arrogant on July 19, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Oh, I thought this would be about the pro-homosexuality groups vs. the pro-Islam groups within the Democrat party.

itsnotaboutme on July 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Haven’t you heard about the anal Jihad strain of Islamic radicalism. Those guys would fit right in with the Progressive Left in America except that they abuse all women not just conservative ones.

KW64 on July 19, 2014 at 11:37 PM

yaedon on July 19, 2014 at 8:49 PM
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Well said. Very good.

scookam on July 19, 2014 at 11:40 PM

If a Saul Alinsky follower like Clinton who was the originator of Hillarycare is too conserative for you, then we are down to differentiating between the foam at the mouth mad dog progressives from the merely mad dog progressives.

KW64 on July 19, 2014 at 11:46 PM

They are trying to drum up the tried and true things that bring them together however. I’ve seen several uses of Palin’s quip that it is time to impeach Obama… as the whole GOP is now trying to impeach Obama. They are making quite the haystack out of a run of the mill statement that someone on the right has said in a knee jerk fashion nearly weekly since 2008.

That worked with the Clinton Impeachment, and they are counting on it working again. They start a rally around the President when the “enemy” attacks.

And who would have thought that contraception thing would actually fool girls into thinking someone was taking away contraception? But it did work. They are playing that tune again with Hobby Lobby, and it worked once before with far less evidence to support it. (Not that Hobby Lobby is doing that, but truth never matters to Demcorats)

petunia on July 20, 2014 at 2:42 AM

Markos does NOT “neigh.”

He’s the opposite end of the horse.

Adjoran on July 20, 2014 at 3:58 AM

Markos does NOT “neigh.”

He’s the opposite end of the horse. But his output doesn’t even help grass grow.

Adjoran on July 20, 2014 at 4:16 AM

Sorry for double post – I left the computer for a few minutes and it was still in the box, so I hit “submit” without checking.

When I’ve done that before, the system gave me a message to the effect of “Oops, it looks like you already said that.” But not this time.

Adjoran on July 20, 2014 at 4:18 AM

I’ll gladly accept 10 Nixon’s over this POS we have now

datrashman on July 20, 2014 at 6:41 AM

It is clear that you don’t really understand the left. For the left, it’s all about power. If they have to become pro-life, anti-gay, and pro-coal to get and retain power, so be it.

AtTheRubicon on July 19, 2014 at 9:47 PM

No, they’ll just pretend to, the same way they pretend to support the 2nd Amendment in “red’ states at election time.

Back in the Eighties in the UK, Margaret Thatcher thought she had the support of the greens in promoting nuclear power, which support she used to campaign against coal and the TUC.

But after the unions had gone down, and she actually tried to build nuclear plants, the Greens attacked her with a vengeance, demanding only Holy Wind and Holy Sun. (Sun? In the British Isles?)

Don’t ever forget, the primary strength of the left is that they really believe in their Utopian delusions. And that they see no contradiction between their dreams of perfection and the nihilism of their “Death To (Your Name Here)” philosophy.

They will lie, cheat, steal, and kill to get what they want. (Gee. Didn’t somebody say that about another Evil Empire a few decades ago? And it was run by leftists, too.)

When they pretend to be on your side, they are lying. And when they slap you on the back, there’s a knife in their hand.

This all probably explains their infatuation with Islamism. They’re not as adept at taqqiya as the Islamists are, but then they haven’t had 14 centuries of practice, either.

clear ether

eon

eon on July 20, 2014 at 7:40 AM

I never thought the Nutroots would actually improve, but without the Daily Kos crowd . . .

WannabeAnglican on July 20, 2014 at 7:46 AM

Now if could only get them to boycott the U. S.

WannabeAnglican on July 20, 2014 at 7:55 AM

I made very clear in the wake of Arizona’s passage of SB 1070 that I would not be setting foot in the state,

LOL. That law is benefiting us in ways we never anticipated!

On behalf of all Arizonans, we appreciate your not inflicting your odious presence on our beautiful state, Markos.

Please help keep Arizona a nice place to live by staying away, permanently.

AZCoyote on July 20, 2014 at 8:18 AM

The progs are the biggest hypocrites ever invented. They talk about taking in those illegal kids and ‘bring them to my state or my city’, but they never take them in themselves. The KOS kid is just as bad. He’s probably never set foot ever in AZ or anywhere near the border, but he’s an expert on hispanics and how wonderful they all are. Just cuz the whiner in chief got away with the birther stuff doesn’t mean the fake Indian can do the same. There are too many people out here who secretly hold the belief that the birth certificate was photo shopped. All she has is family lore to back up her lies.

Kissmygrits on July 20, 2014 at 8:23 AM

there is no democrat progressive schism. the right wing has become so repugnant it is the democrats greatest unifier.
brushingmyhair on July 19, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Don’t you have a police car you need to go crap on?

Closet Optimist on July 20, 2014 at 9:36 AM

What’s a Daily KOS?

vnvet on July 20, 2014 at 10:12 AM

President Cruz will send them over the edge.
cozmo on July 19, 2014 at 7:20 PM
I`d dance in the streets if that happened. :)
ThePrez on July 19, 2014 at 7:22 PM

The race card wielding GOPe will never let it happen

Brock Robamney on July 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM

President Cruz will send them over the edge.
cozmo on July 19, 2014 at 7:20 PM

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/ted-cruz-favorable-rating

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

Given all the structural disadvantages the right currently “enjoys” why would you make winning the oval office so much harder by nominating someone like cruz who is widely disliked by everyone except conservatives?

Look you think Obama’s favoability is bad right now, correct? Cruz’s is almost twice as bad (-3.7 for Obama vs -6.4 for Cruz). What state do you imagine Cruz will win that Romney lost?

Tlaloc on July 20, 2014 at 2:25 PM

I guess Daily KOS would logically have to conclude that the Obama Administration hates those Central American kids that his ICE is shipping to AZ.

But I won’t be holding my breath in anticipation. Logic is probably considered racist for the folks at Daily KOS.

s1im on July 20, 2014 at 3:05 PM

The only reason Abraham Lincoln won the presidency is that that there was a revolt within the Democratic party and three Democrats were running for president thus splitting the vote. We can only hope the Dems do another self-destruct in 2016.

bartbeast on July 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM

there is no democrat progressive schism. the right wing has become so repugnant it is the democrats greatest unifier.
brushingmyhair on July 19, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Don’t you have a police car you need to go crap on?

Closet Optimist on July 20, 2014 at 9:36 AM

dont you have to arm yourself to defend a racist wingnut rancher?

brushingmyhair on July 20, 2014 at 6:02 PM