Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on July 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

One of the corpses fell through the rickety roof of Irina Tipunova’s house in this sleepy village, just after Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 exploded high over eastern Ukraine, where pro-Russian separatists are fighting government forces.

“There was a howling noise and everything started to rattle. Then objects started falling out of the sky,” the 65-year-old pensioner said in front of her grey-brick home.

“And then I heard a roar and she landed in the kitchen, the roof was broken,” she said, showing the gaping hole made by the body when it came through the ceiling of the kitchen in an extension to the house.

The dead woman’s naked body was still lying inside the house, next to a bed.

***

Recent history offers two examples in which inadvertent attacks on civilian airliners demonstrated the risks of military confrontation but also led, over time, to a process of sober reflection and eventual de-escalation.

The first such incident was the Sept. 1, 1983 attack that downed Korean Air Lines Flight 007 near Sakahlin Island, a missile testing zone on the far eastern coast of what was then the Soviet Union. The plane was brought down by a Soviet fighter jets, but Moscow initially denied responsibility and then claimed the passenger jet had been on a spy mission. In truth, it was a hideous accident in the fog of the Cold War that illustrated how Moscow and Washington were operating on a hair trigger. The vituperative reaction in Washington led some Soviets to fear that all-out war might be ahead — and this, in turn, contributed to a period of reflection that eventually led both sides to consider new arms control agreements and other measures of détente. Indeed, viewed through history’s lens, you can discern a connection between the KAL shootdown and the eventual end of the Cold War and collapse of the Soviet Union…

Nobody knows if the tragic events over eastern Ukraine will lead to wise reflection in Moscow and a move toward de-escalation, or whether tensions will exacerbate even further. Sometimes, disaster makes people stop and think; other times, it just leads to worse disaster. But certainly the loss of the Malaysia Airlines jet should encourage European nations, such as Germany, that sanctions against Russia that push it toward peace are preferable to letting the haphazard process of tit-for-tat continue.

***

America’s Ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power, could not have been clearer in apportioning blame in her speech at the Security Council Friday: “Russian can end this war. Russia must end this war.” The result is likely to be a Western ultimatum to Russia to comply with its previous commitments to rein in the separatists and deliver them to the negotiating table. If Putin refuses, the consequences could be twofold.
Why did MH17 fly over a war zone?

The first is that the Ukrainian government would be given a much freer hand to continue and complete its “anti-terror” operations against pro-Russian forces. The second would be a further tightening of Western sanctions. If these included a shift to the long threatened “sector sanctions” covering whole industries, the impact could be severe at a time when the Russian economy is already looking extremely vulnerable.

Having maintained the tactical initiative for most of the last four months, Putin suddenly faces an uncomfortable dilemma. Failure to co-operate in de-escalating the crisis invites the risk of deeper international isolation and real economic pain.

But abandoning the separatists mean a loss of political leverage over Ukraine and an even bigger loss of face at home.

***

If it has done nothing else, the crash of Flight MH17 has just put an end to the “it’s not a real war” fairy tale, both for the Russians and for the West. Tragically, this unconventional nonwar war has just killed 298 people, mostly Europeans. We can’t pretend it isn’t happening any longer, or that it doesn’t affect anyone outside of Donetsk. The Russians can’t pretend either.

Without the fairy-tale pretense, some things are about to become clear. For one, we are about to learn whether the West in 2014 is as united, and as determined to stop terrorism as it was 26 years ago. When the Libyan government brought down Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, the West closed ranks and isolated the Libyan regime. Can we do the same now—or will too many be tempted to describe this as a “tragic accident,” and to dismiss what will inevitably be a controversial investigation as “inconclusive?” It is insufficient to state, as President Obama has now done, that there must be a “cease-fire” in Ukraine. What is needed is a withdrawal of Russian mercenaries, weapons, and support. The West—and the world—must push for Ukrainian state sovereignty to be reestablished in eastern Ukraine, not for the perpetuation of another frozen conflict.

We will also learn something interesting about the Russian president. So far there is no sign of shock or shame in Russia. But in truth, this tragedy offers Vladimir Putin an opportunity to get out of the messy disaster he has created in eastern Ukraine. He now has the perfect excuse to denounce the separatist movement and to cut its supplies. If he refuses, then we know that he remains profoundly dedicated to the chaos and nihilism he created in Donetsk. We can assume he intends to perpetuate it elsewhere. And if we are not prepared to fight it, we should be braced for it to spread.

***

The firing of GRAD rockets and the shooting down of a civilian airplane are part of a pattern, a last-ditch desperate attempt to salvage a win in eastern Ukraine at any cost. In the last several weeks, Russia has pumped dozens of tanks, self-powered howitzers, armored vehicles and militants across the border to the Russian-backed insurgents…

But in recent weeks Moscow’s thinkers and pundits have written that they believe Putin’s support could collapse. A failure to achieve further victory in Ukraine has led analysts to predict that Putin’s support could drop significantly, and Russia’s leading pollsters already see evidence that these predictions could be right…

The Russian media landscape is now a nearly unified voice of disinformation and hate, spreading the narrative that the world is locked in a great battle between East and West, a battle which will be lost unless Putin is allowed to win it. With every passing week Putin becomes more like the totalitarian dictators who helped divide the world along these lines just a few generations ago, and he is now a victim of his own mechanisms…

The cycle will continue. Putin’s recklessness in eastern Ukraine will only grow. Many more lives, often of civilians stuck in the crossfire, will be lost. In the warped cycle of disinformation and power that Putin has created, this senseless violence makes perfect sense, and hundreds or even thousands of civilian casualties are just collateral damage.

***

Once upon a time, there was the Brezhnev Doctrine, which justified as “fraternal help” such actions as the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968. Mikhail S. Gorbachev replaced it with the Sinatra Doctrine —You do it your way, as Gennadi I. Gerasimov, the Foreign Ministry spokesman, put it — toward Eastern Europe. Now we have the Putin Doctrine.

It is impossible to overstate the degree to which this is a threat not just to Russia’s Eastern European and Eurasian neighbors but to the whole post-1945 international order. Across the world, countries see men and women living in other countries whom they regard as in some sense “their people.” What if, as has happened in the past, Chinese minorities in Southeast Asian countries were to be the targets of discrimination and popular anger, and China (where, on a visit this spring, I heard admiration expressed for Mr. Putin’s actions) decided to take up the mother country’s burden, exercising its völkisch responsibility to protect?…

It seems plausible already to suggest that a regular army (whether Ukrainian or Russian) would usually have identified the radar image of a civilian airliner flying at 33,000 feet, while a group made up solely of local militants (even ones with military experience) would not ordinarily have had the technology and skill to launch such an attack without outside help. It is precisely the ambiguous mixtures created by Mr. Putin’s völkisch version of the “responsibility to protect” that produce such disastrous possibilities. He subverts and calls into question the authority of the government of a sovereign territory, and then blames it for the result.

***

Western leaders need to adopt a different attitude toward the Russian leader. Putin runs an enormously corrupt, authoritarian regime that has as its main goal staying in power at any cost. He has caused the deaths of thousands of people, destabilized his neighbors, supported murderous like-minded tyrants elsewhere around the globe, and repeatedly violated the human rights of his own people. He may be popular among Russians these days, but that should not deter the West from pursuing a principled policy.

Placing Putin himself on the visa ban and asset freeze list would be a huge step, equivalent to a declaration of political war. But if the downing of MH17 doesn’t get people to start thinking along such lines, how many more innocent victims will it take?

Those of us who have been calling for tough sanctions for months have been warning that things could spin out of control and that, undeterred, Putin might threaten other countries in the region and beyond. The tragedy of MH17 should be a wake-up call to Western leaders to stop dragging their feet and to take decisive action now. They should stop treating Putin as a normal leader and instead treat him as the international pariah that he is.

***

In fact, it’s quite possible the incident won’t change the underlying dynamics in Ukraine that much at all.

As Mark Leon Goldberg smartly points out, “One of the key distinguishing features of the conflict in Ukraine is that the USA and Russia have not been able to agree to a simple set of facts about the crisis.”…

Any smoking-gun evidence tying separatist rebels to the crash or the separatists to Russia will be spun and denied. The rebels will deny they shot down the planem and the Russian government—as it has continually—will deny that it is supporting the rebels…

The incident may result in a temporary lull in violence—separatists are apparently open to a three-day cease-fire—but my guess is that before long the Ukrainian military will restart its offensive against the rebels and, once Ukraine dips out of the headlines a bit, separatist activity including the supplying of fighters with arms from Russia will continue.

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GrenadeJihadys:

IDF @IDFSpokesperson · 5h

Hamas: We will arm our youth with 250,000 hand grenades. http://youtu.be/XAPyeBEwwPI

Hamas: We Will Give Hand Grenades to Our Youth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAPyeBEwwPI&feature=youtu.be

canopfor on July 20, 2014 at 7:05 AM

Obama aides were warned of brewing border crisis

WaPo goes off the reservation…

The administration did too little to heed those warnings, according to interviews with former government officials, outside experts and immigrant advocates, leading to an inadequate response that contributed to this summer’s escalating crisis.

kcewa on July 20, 2014 at 7:14 AM

Hamas: We Will Give Hand Grenades to Our Youth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAPyeBEwwPI&feature=youtu.be

canopfor on July 20, 2014 at 7:05 AM

If the kids are smart they’ll “give” the grenades right back to Hamas.

kcewa on July 20, 2014 at 7:16 AM

The former official said the agencies primarily in charge of border security, Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, were “ringing alarm bells” within the administration.

Meanwhile, top officials focused much of their attention on political battles, such as Obama’s 2012 reelection campaign and the push to win congressional support for a broad immigration overhaul, that would have been made more difficult with the addition of a high-profile border crisis.

kcewa on July 20, 2014 at 7:17 AM

Geez, in reviewing the thread, CL is quite the hardcore leftist, is she not?

lol

Coolrepublica’s basic premise when she started commenting here, if you even believe what it said about it’s gender, was that she used to be Conservative. She stated she voted for McCain. The hilarious part is that she also made the excuse that your “intolerant comments”, your “racist” attitude towards the president, made her feel sympathy for him. Supposedly, that is precisely what she claims converted her. Of course, the volume of her comments here proves that to be quite the bare faced lie. The whole premise of her character is a lie. She needed this myth that you made her what she is. All over her characterizations of why you have differences with the obama.

In looking at her extreme views so firmly ensconced in basic liberal theology, there is no way she converted. Every time she comments she needs to be asked why she felt she needed to lie to interact here.

Ask her why.

hawkdriver on July 20, 2014 at 7:18 AM

This just jogged my memory,….Behind Enemy Lines Movie,..where a SAM System was deployed
against a F-18 Hornet, and some perspective of trying to outrun them,……image the airliner:)
===============================

Behind the enemy lines
F-18 vs SAM
***********

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKsreHMX3xE

canopfor on July 20, 2014 at 7:19 AM

WaPo goes off the reservation…

The administration did too little to heed those warnings, according to interviews with former government officials, outside experts and immigrant advocates, leading to an inadequate response that contributed to this summer’s escalating crisis.

kcewa on July 20, 2014 at 7:14 AM

They are being too nice to him. It sounds like it was a surprise when we know the regime engineered the whole thing.

crankyoldlady on July 20, 2014 at 7:20 AM

Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-Calif.) said Democrats recognized the urgency but feared that if they raised too much of a public outcry, it would create political blowback for the Obama administration’s push to pass a comprehensive immigration overhaul.

A person involved in the planning said that inside the White House, national security staffers were concerned about the growing influx of children but that the influential team of domestic policy advisers was far more focused on the legislative push.

“Was the White House told there were huge flows of Central Americans coming? Of course they were told. A lot of times,’’ said the person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. “Was there a general lack of interest and a focus on the legislation? Yes, that’s where the focus was.’’

kcewa on July 20, 2014 at 7:23 AM

https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson

IDF @IDFSpokesperson · 7s

Though we agreed to the Red Cross’ request for a cease fire in Shuja’iya until 15:30, Hamas has not stopped shooting from Shuja’iya.

canopfor on July 20, 2014 at 7:25 AM

https://twitter.com/NATOSource

Retweeted by NATOSource
NBC News @NBCNews · Jul 18

Pro-Russian militants picking through #MH17 jet debris http://nbcnews.to/1rnqtal

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/490209308185878530/photo/1

canopfor on July 20, 2014 at 7:28 AM

They are being too nice to him. It sounds like it was a surprise when we know the regime engineered the whole thing.

crankyoldlady on July 20, 2014 at 7:20

He’s not smart enough to engineer anything. I think his policies caused it but not on purpose.

kcewa on July 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/israeli-palestinian-conflict/

Israeli-Palestinian conflict
11m
IDF says 140 rockets have been fired at Israel from Gaza neighborhood since start of Israel’s operation – @haaretzcom
End of alert

canopfor on July 20, 2014 at 7:30 AM

He’s not smart enough to engineer anything. I think his policies caused it but not on purpose.

kcewa on July 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM

I didn’t say Obungle did it. There’s plenty of evidence the White House gang had it’s grubby fingers in the planning.

crankyoldlady on July 20, 2014 at 7:36 AM

Sunday talk show tip sheet

Kerry will appear on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and Fox.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/john-kerry-sunday-talk-show-tip-sheet-109129.html#ixzz380XJjc32

Susan Rice must be on vacay.

kcewa on July 20, 2014 at 7:36 AM

These Clowns need to see the end of a AC-130
Ordnance Dispenser Part Deux:
*****************************

Malaysia Airlines plane crash in Ukraine, July 17, 2014
1m

Ukrainian separatist leader says found parts of what are ‘presumably’ black boxes, are under rebel control in Donetsk – @Reuters
End of alert

canopfor on July 20, 2014 at 7:48 AM

canopfor on July 20, 2014 at 7:05 AM

If the kids are smart they’ll “give” the grenades right back to Hamas.

kcewa on July 20, 2014 at 7:16 AM

kcewa:Hopefully with pin(s) removed. With Hamas at the helm of Gaza
Stan,….this Palistinian Hatred for Israel will be never/end
ing, brainwashing of da Children!:)

canopfor on July 20, 2014 at 7:56 AM

https://twitter.com/CIGeography

Pinned Tweet
CIGeography @CIGeography · 3h

#MAP #INFOGRAPHIC Downing of #MH17 over #Ukraine. Our latest article ->http://bit.ly/WrbsaU <- v2.0 #Russia #Buk

https://twitter.com/CIGeography/status/490787217724678144/photo/1

canopfor on July 20, 2014 at 8:03 AM

Ya Think:

Pentagon: F-15 pullout from Europe may be on hold
By Jennifer H. Svan
Stars and Stripes
Published: July 17, 2014
*************************

The Pentagon may delay the planned withdrawal of U.S. Air Force F-15C fighter jets from Europe, and possibly increase aircraft rotations to the continent, as part of an effort to reassure allies and boost assistance to the region in the wake of Russia’s recent aggression in Ukraine, officials told members of Congress Wednesday.

In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee, Pentagon leaders were pressed to provide more details about the White House’s “Europe Reassurance Initiative,” a $1 billion funding plan announced by the White House in June. The subject of Wednesday’s hearing was the Pentagon’s fiscal 2015 overseas contingency operations budget request for $58.6 billion. Money for the new European mission is part of that request.

Indications that the Defense Department may reconsider removing some of its F-15C aircraft from Europe come less than a month after Gen. Philip Breedlove, commander of U.S. European Command and North Atlantic Treaty Organization Supreme Allied Command, told reporters at the Pentagon that he expected to see reductions to the F-15 force in Europe.

Breedlove’s statement followed an Air Force announcement in March that it wants to retire 51 F-15C Eagles, including 21 based overseas, starting in fiscal 2015. In Europe, there are 21 F-15Cs assigned to RAF Lakenheath, England, serving with the 493rd Fighter Squadron.
(More….)
===========

http://www.stripes.com/news/pentagon-f-15-pullout-from-europe-may-be-on-hold-1.293924

canopfor on July 20, 2014 at 8:08 AM

Morning COL, well my body thinks it is 0220 Monday, and hope you have been well. It’s 72F and light rain. Been gone for over two months and the household is getting used to me being home. I do my best to take a back seat and rejoin the daily flow slowly. Good thing is that the family is used to me being gone for much longer periods, thus they know how to carry on. Each family/home has its own vibe.

Taking the girls to a movie then catching up on the news and guitar playing. Man, it is a wacky world…I can tell you that much.

HonestLib on July 20, 2014 at 8:27 AM

Coolrepublica’s basic premise when she started commenting here, if you even believe what it said about it’s gender, was that she used to be Conservative. She stated she voted for McCain. The hilarious part is that she also made the excuse that your “intolerant comments”, your “racist” attitude towards the president, made her feel sympathy for him. Supposedly, that is precisely what she claims converted her. Of course, the volume of her comments here proves that to be quite the bare faced lie. The whole premise of her character is a lie. She needed this myth that you made her what she is. All over her characterizations of why you have differences with the obama.

In looking at her extreme views so firmly ensconced in basic liberal theology, there is no way she converted. Every time she comments she needs to be asked why she felt she needed to lie to interact here.

Ask her why.

hawkdriver on July 20, 2014 at 7:18 AM

I’d ask, if I didn’t already know “she”‘d lie when responding. She can’t help herself-it’s her nature to be dishonest. =)

non-nonpartisan on July 20, 2014 at 8:30 AM

Blessed Sabbath, y’all!

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem! “May they be secure who love you!”

- Psalm 122:6

My take: Israel Defends Itself Against Hamas. American Liberals Whine. European Muslims Riot.

kingsjester on July 20, 2014 at 8:31 AM

This just jogged my memory,….Behind Enemy Lines Movie,..where a SAM System was deployed
against a F-18 Hornet, and some perspective of trying to outrun them,……image the airliner:)
===============================

Behind the enemy lines
F-18 vs SAM
***********

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKsreHMX3xE

canopfor on July 20, 2014 at 7:19 AM

.
Excellent analogy.

listens2glenn on July 20, 2014 at 10:00 AM

The Western nations will declare this episode to be ‘unacceptable’, harrumph a few times in Brussels and the UN, stamp their little high heels once or twice…and then move on.

Because no longer do leaders hold the reins of power. They are held by faceless, talentless bureaucrats.
The equivalent of replacing every fighter pilot, downhill skier and professional soccer player with paunchy, middle aged actuaries and CPAs. With predictable results.
Putin is a nasty, amoral man. But he is an excellent though sometimes overconfident chess player. Playing against people trying to ‘not lose’, and to avoid any possible move that might be thought ‘original’, or ‘bold’. He does what he does, because he can. And he knows it.
Europe lost all of its innovators, leaders and bravery in two World Wars. We retained ours, but then allowed ourselves to be led by a bunch of 4F’s. We deserve what we get.

orangemtl on July 20, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Europe lost all of its innovators, leaders and bravery in two World Wars. We retained ours, but then allowed ourselves to be led by a bunch of 4F’s. We deserve what we get.

orangemtl on July 20, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Socialism does that. It kills innovation, creativity and competitiveness. This is what you get when nobody is allowed to win and everybody gets a trophy. You don’t get leadership under that kind of system.

crankyoldlady on July 20, 2014 at 11:53 AM

goodafternoon ms COL..
how are things in western Ohio today??

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

how are things in western Ohio today??

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Sunny and breezy.

crankyoldlady on July 20, 2014 at 12:08 PM

we are breezy ..only partly sunny ….cool
much quieter Sunday than Saturday was.. thankfully..

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Participated in Arlington TX (4pm-8pm) Friday nite & Ft. Worth TX (12noon-5pm) Saturday. Pretty peaceful in Arlington. Police were there, but very friendly.

In FTW, had a couple of pick up trucks that kept coming by for intimidation. They were crossing the solid white line that’s a foot away from the sidewalk where we were. One time, the mirror on one of the trucks hit one of our guys. Hurt his hand as he jumped back. A couple of ladies stopped–had been passing by & honking in support! Had actually captured video of BOTH trucks w/license plates & drivers!!! Come to find out there were under-cover Homeland Security(!) there to watch protests. We called 911 & more police arrived. Last I heard, they had determined owners of truck & were on their way to their homes!

Had a lot of one-fingered salutes, but way more honks in support. It was invigorating to see people out to have their voices heard. Hopefully, We The People are waking up and I pray it’s not too late!

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 12:39 PM

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 12:39 PM

good on ya for going…cheers
I went to Lansing’s protest here..
“We The People are waking up and I pray it’s not too late!”
I was surprised the crowd was so small..100ish at the high number..
I was wondering what the UAW told its members..
the management at the UAW loves the invasion… I would think..
but the workers .. do they not realize
cheap labor replacements a pouring in the country..
you don’t have to speak English to hang a bumper..
so I was wondering what the rank n file were told by UAW management..

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 12:48 PM

The “others” were about 1/2 mile away on both days. Weren’t there but maybe a couple of hours both days. Someone said, “must not have paid them enough to stay longer”…

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:03 PM

if there was 375 protest locations yesterday..
with maybe and average of a 100 ppl each.
that’s only 37,500 protesters..
we needed ten times that amount….at least..
37,500 will not change one mind in DC…
at 375,000 they might hear us.. just maybe..
double that and the may actually listen..
we need more concerned citizens on the streets and
not sitting home b!tching about the invasion..
Barry is so successful because no one tries to stop him..imo

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Yeah, I thought there would be more people. We had about 75-76 in arlington. Maybe a few more than that in ft worth. I’m just glad that many showed up.

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:08 PM

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:03 PM

I posted many of the BAMN youtube links upthread..
(check your volume..as they are screamers)
we were face to face up here…
less than a foot away most of the day
a thin line of cops…
and then the screaming paid shills..

anyone know who funds BAMN??… soros?? valJ??..the DNC?? unions??

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 1:09 PM

AGREE, g2m. My husband was one of those LIVs. He tho’t he was so informed-tho’t I was right-wing radical. We haven’t been able to talk politics ’cause I decided I didn’t want another divorce. I’ve been asking him what he thinks about Benghazi, F&F, etc. He didn’t hear of them. He’s definitely paying attention now! He WANTED to go to both protests & is definitely engaged now!!!

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:18 PM

In looking at her extreme views so firmly ensconced in basic liberal theology, there is no way she converted. Every time she comments she needs to be asked why she felt she needed to lie to interact here.

Ask her why.

hawkdriver on July 20, 2014 at 7:18 AM

They also looked at her funny in Alabama and it wounded her deeply.

arnold ziffel on July 20, 2014 at 1:21 PM

I saw a couple of your links. Glad we didn’t have the screamers close. I have very little patience with stupid, rude people. Ignorance you can fix, stupid has no bounds…

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:22 PM

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:18 PM

I tried to ask the BAMN crowd about F&F…
BHO arming drug cartels with 2500 weapons..
they never heard about it and
they said it never happened…

I blame the criminally liable press for not reporting it..

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Hubs asked me how I knew all that stuff, said you never watch the news. I said, exactly. He’s dyslectic & doesn’t like to read. So, I’ve started reading stuff to him. Introduced him to Judge Jeannine Pirro! I figure if he can be converted, so can others…

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:37 PM

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:18 PM
I tried to ask the BAMN crowd about F&F…
BHO arming drug cartels with 2500 weapons..
they never heard about it and
they said it never happened…
I blame the criminally liable press for not reporting it..
going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 1:28 PM
AMEN!!! Plus the elite Repubs who don’t oppose this crap.

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Judge Jeannine Pirro!

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:37 PM

one of my favorites in all television now a days…
love her show..

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 1:42 PM

I have LIVs in the family too…
I have found converting them …a waste-o-time.. (WOT)
they are only concerned about themselves…
and sadly, not about this once great nation

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 1:45 PM

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Me,too. But I live with him, so I’m glad he woke up. It makes my life WAY more pleasant. I’m SO frustrated w/direction he who shall not be named is “leading” our great country…

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:53 PM

AMEN!!! Plus the elite Repubs who don’t oppose this crap.

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:39 PM

reason number 47 I am for term limits…
politicians have turned “serving the public”
into a cottage industry…
a lifetime sitting on their little thrones,,
living and acquiring wealth off the lemming masses..
I would love to see all 100 senators…get shown the door…
even though I am sure California
has an endless supply of Boxer/Feinstein loons in the bullpen..

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Me,too. But I live with him, so I’m glad he woke up. It makes my life WAY more pleasant. I’m SO frustrated w/direction he who shall not be named is “leading” our great country…

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:53 PM

I am glad you tried, and applaud your success. =)

There are a lot more potential conservatives out there than some of us realize. We shouldn’t write anyone off too quickly.

non-nonpartisan on July 20, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Thx, nonp.

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM

I’m SO frustrated w/direction he who shall not be named is “leading” our great country…

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 1:53 PM

worst leader/potus of the United States ever… without question.
for dozens of reasons… just a pathetic man..for America..

and another reason I was surprised not to see many more
protesters yesterday..
the public better stand up soon
or there will be nothing left to stand for..

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM

g2m, funny I’m talking to you…I’ve given some of you space links to hubs. He’s a space “freak” (I mean that in a good way). Fraid I have enough to be concerned about in my own little world to be as interested as he is in that.

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Thx, nonnonp, rather…

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 2:10 PM

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 2:09 PM

glad I could help bring him some joy..
here’s one for tonight a live web cast at 8pm est

Moon Webcasts Celebrate Apollo 11 Lunar Landing: Watch Live Tonight

http://www.space.com/26583-apollo-11-moon-landing-webcasts.html

if he is a planet freak.. I recommend the JPL “eyes on” series
found half way down this page..

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/

if he’s more a missions an satellites freak…he might like this..

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 2:20 PM

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Thanks! I will give him those when he wakes up from his nap (yesterday wore us out). He grew up in Huntsville, AL & remembers when they tested rockets and it shook his house! Went to school w/Werner Von Braun’s (sp?)kid/s. He likes any and all to do with space!

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 2:34 PM

perhaps you can get a hook in him with the space posts..
and some politics and facts to hall him back in your boat…

here is the most powerful rocket in the world…currently..

http://www.spacex.com/falcon-heavy

and a must see video of the new reusable rocket systems..

http://www.spacex.com/news/2013/03/31/reusability-key-making-human-life-multi-planetary

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM

non-nonpartisan on July 20, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Yep, but they better start paying attention AND getting involved or it will be too late!

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Homeland Security. That’s scary. Might have been documenting who was there so they could be arrested later. Or targeted by the IRS.

crankyoldlady on July 20, 2014 at 2:52 PM

perhaps you can get a hook in him with the space posts..
and some politics and facts to hall him back in your boat…
going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Ha! I think we were in the same boat, were just paddling in different directions…

His best friend has been here from Germany for 20 years and is trying to tell him this immigration crap is America’s fault. I said “BS!!!” Just cause we make this the BEST country in the world does NOT give them permission to break our laws!!!

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM

crankyoldlady on July 20, 2014 at 2:52 PM

I would not put it past them…
with Barrys IRS NSA DOJ you can almost bet on it..
and if true..
I would bet they are here also…
so we’ll all be in the gulag together….
wont that be nice??

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Now it’s getting hot an humid here.

crankyoldlady on July 20, 2014 at 2:58 PM

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM

it is Americas fault to the extent the politicians refuse to close the borders of the nation..
and the public refuses to hold them accountable..
gently remind him, Germany has never had an open border policy..
and that is what the BAMN bunch is for…
complete open border lawlessness…no laws.. no rules.. no restrictions..

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Now it’s getting hot an humid here.

crankyoldlady on July 20, 2014 at 2:58 PM

its 76 now here…40% humidity..
after you confessed to being a mouse killer,
I would bet Holder put that in your file….smiles

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 3:09 PM

crankyoldlady on July 20, 2014 at 2:52 PM

They were really unobtrusive and were VERY helpful when the guy was hurt with the truck.

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Now it’s getting hot an humid here.

crankyoldlady on July 20, 2014 at 2:58 PM

I take it you don’t like H&H? Since our family spends summers on the water, well not me this year, we like 96F/90+H. Hot and humid is the norm for us.

Spent a year in Mumbai with no a/c. Now that was H&H!!!!!

HonestLib on July 20, 2014 at 3:15 PM

I’m sure I’m already on the IRS list. They came to my house when my ex-husband had a “little” problem. They don’t scare me

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 3:18 PM

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Exactly. I love him, too, but sorry, you weren’t born an American. Don’t come over here and tell me what is wrong. If you don’t like it…GO HOME!

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM

HonestLib on July 20, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Grew up in Houston. Waaaaay hot and humid there.

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 3:24 PM

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Germany has tried twice in the last 100 years to expand its borders..
WWI and WWII..
ask him how that worked out for his countrymen..

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 3:26 PM

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Houston has changed, but it is H&H.

Speaking of Texas, ain’t been back to Brownsville/Matamoros since the early ’80s. Fun kind of trouble I always found!

HonestLib on July 20, 2014 at 3:53 PM

I am off to draw for a bit
and get some files ready to ship
to the left coast for Monday…
thanks for the pleasant afternoon…
be safe COL & carpeliberty.. cheers..

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM

I’ll remember the Germany question…thx, g2m. Enjoyed the conversations.

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 3:56 PM

HonestLib on July 20, 2014 at 3:53 PM

All of Texas is a fun kind of trouble…it’s who we are…

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Texas is fun and worked World Cup 1994 and lived in Dallas for quite a while. IBC was at the old fair grounds by the Cotton Bowl. Being an old RedNeck, it was funny to have the locals joke about my twang.

I still remember the food joint where the chick would swing from one side to the other over our heads when we were eating and finally ring a bell.

Still got a shirt that says…”If you ain’t Texan, you ain’t Sheet”. Also have a shirt from a long passed zip4 driver that says….”If you ain’t a pilot, you ain’t Sheet”. Ain’t a Texan, but am a pilot. One out of two ain’t so bad I guess.

HonestLib on July 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM

after you confessed to being a mouse killer,
I would bet Holder put that in your file….smiles

going2mars on July 20, 2014 at 3:09 PM

I got another one last night.

crankyoldlady on July 20, 2014 at 4:17 PM

…”If you ain’t Texan, you ain’t Sheet”.

Well…the truth hurts sometimes…lol.

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Honest Lib: Sorry, just couldn’t resist…

carpeliberty on July 20, 2014 at 4:36 PM

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