Quotes of the day

posted at 8:21 pm on July 18, 2014 by Allahpundit

The downing of a Malaysian commercial airliner flying at 33,000 feet over Ukraine could dramatically broaden the Ukrainian crisis, even before it is determined who bears responsibility…

“This is a new element that nobody expected,” James F. Collins, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia who now works at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said of the plane’s downing. “It’s one of those events . . . that can have unpredicted negative or positive consequences.”

On the negative side, it marks a clear escalation of both firepower and the willingness to use it that could draw the patrons of both sides into more overt participation on the ground and more direct confrontation with each other…

But Collins and others suggested that the shocking nature of the incident could also be a wake-up call to all involved. “It may bring certain people to decide that some different approach is needed because this is really getting out of hand,” Collins said. “All of a sudden, it could mean a lot more people talking about [the Ukraine situation] and saying enough is enough.”

***

A short video posted to YouTube by the Ukrainian government reportedly shows a “Buk,” or SA-11 “Gadfly,” surface-to-air missile system en route from eastern Ukraine to the Russian border on Friday.

While the video cannot be independently verified, the footage appears to show the system with at least one of its missiles missing. It also appears to be mounted on a tracked chassis, although it has been loaded onto a flatbed trailer. Tracked vehicles are decidedly slower than their wheeled counterparts. The use of the truck could indicate the system’s own propulsion system is disabled, or that speed is a priority for whomever is moving it.

U.S. officials asserted Friday that the Malaysian airliner that crashed in Ukraine was likely downed by an SA-11 operated from a separatist-held location.

***

The United States has gathered a significant body of evidence that Ukrainian separatists have been trained on Russian territory in recent weeks to fire antiaircraft missiles, according to American military and intelligence officials who have raised alarms over the reports.

Among other weapons, U.S. officials said, the separatists have been trained in using mobile antiaircraft batteries — missile systems that could be moved around on vehicles and are thought to have been used in the downing of a Malaysia Airlines jet Thursday…

Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said defense officials could not point to specific evidence that an SA-11 surface-to-air missile system had been transported from Russia into eastern Ukraine. But he said it was clear the rebels had wanted to add such a weapon to their arsenal.

***

McCain said he sees “no separation” between Putin and the Ukrainian rebels, calling that movement “clearly orchestrated” by Moscow…

Sen. Mark Kirk of Illinois said he believes operating the missile system “would need backup from a nation-state like Russia.”

“That would mean that Russian armed forces are directly involved in this wrongful death of roughly 300 people,” Kirk asserted…

“If you’re a world power and you give this type of sophisticated weaponry to insurrectionists, you’re responsible for what happens after that,” King said. “This violates to me all norms of international behavior by a world power.”

***

Europe and even America never cared that much about Crimea. It is difficult to dislodge an annexation when a majority of the population likely really did support it. And the Europeans, as long as the big red lines weren’t being crossed, are too tied to Russian fuels and their myriad other concerns to care that much about mischief on Ukraine’s eastern border. But having a passenger plane, filled with EU citizens, shot out of the sky above what is presumed to be the bubble of first world safety that is “Europe” is a game changing event not only in the Ukraine crisis but much more broadly about Putin’s role in Europe generally.

In a paradoxical way, I think the future ramifications of this are almost greater because it is about Russia’s recklessness and bumbling than it would be if it were more clearly a matter of intent. This is a f’-up on Putin’s part of almost mind-boggling proportions. Yes, a tragedy. Yes, perhaps an atrocity. But almost more threatening, a screw up. Malign intent is one thing. So is aggression. But goofs of this magnitude by someone who controls a massive military arsenal and nuclear weapons are in a way more threatening.

***

Pavlovsky was especially concerned about one of the pro-Russian military leaders in eastern Ukraine, a former (and possibly current) Russian intelligence officer known to most by his nom de guerre, Igor Strelkov. (Strelkov’s real name is Igor Girkin.)

A wildly messianic nationalist who cultivates an air of lumpy intrigue, Strelkov has found his way to the battlefields of Chechnya, Serbia, and Transnistria. He is now helping to run the separatist operation in Donetsk. Like the radical nationalists and neo-imperialists in Moscow, who have easy access to the airwaves these days, Strelkov has a singular point of disagreement with Putin: the Russian President hasn’t gone nearly far enough; he has failed to invade and annex “Novorossiya,” the separatist term for eastern Ukraine. Pavlovsky said that people like Strelkov and his Moscow allies are as delusional as they are dangerous, somehow believing that they are taking part in grand historical dramas, like the Battle of Borodino, in 1812, or “the novels of Tolkien.”…

If it turns out that men like Strelkov and his fellow soldier-fantasists were responsible for the destruction of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 and all the people on board, the fever in Russia and Ukraine may intensify beyond anything that Vladimir Putin could have predicted or desired. It is long past time that Putin ended both the inflammatory information war in Russia and the military proxy war in eastern Ukraine that he has done so much to conceive, fund, organize, and fuel. There are hundreds of corpses strewn across a field today in eastern Ukraine. What is Vladimir Putin’s next move?

***

Ukraine’s very future may be riding on the results of whatever credible inquiry emerges, as its economic and territorial survival depends on the international support. Ukraine is not winning this war on its own, and Kyiv’s political class knows it. They need to plug that hole on Russia-Ukraine border, which Moscow is reportedly using to support the rebels. Without Western financial, logistical and military assistance, Ukraine’s hapless and battered government can’t do it. And the West is reluctant to deliver…

Andriy Shevchenko, a prominent pro-European member of the parliament, partially blames the international community for the airplane disaster. “The rebels turned Eastern Ukraine into a tribal land with no rules, no laws or dignity,” he told me. “This is just a huge, dark hole right in the center of Europe. We need to shut it down.”

On Friday, Putin called again for peace talks—but nobody in Kyiv is listening at the moment. The Ukrainian public and its leaders insist they will go all the way to defeat the rebels. “It is time to put an end to this aggression, and the world should join us in the eliminating of terrorists. It doesn’t matter where they are,” Oleksandr Tyrchynov, the speaker of parliament said in a public statement, most likely hinting at a possible military campaign along the Russian border.

***

Suddenly, NATO’s role in Europe has regained relevance. Unfortunately, NATO lacks the credibility to match. The United States no longer maintains even a single tank in Europe. The European countries have allowed their defense capabilities to wither altogether. If the budget sequester remains in force, the U.S. Army’s combat capabilities will be cut in half by decade’s end. Even if NATO decided that Russia’s latest actions release the West from the 1990s ban on permanent deployments in eastern Europe, what troops could it send?

We shouldn’t give up the hope that Putin will prove only an ugly detour on Russia’s route to a future as a normal, peaceful European democracy. But we shouldn’t any longer rely on that hope to guide our policy. Russia has become dangerous again. It’s not as dangerous as it was, but it’s more than dangerous enough. Nearly 300 bereaved families in the Netherlands, Britain, Canada, and elsewhere have suffered what hundreds of Ukrainians have suffered since Russian sharpshooters opened fire on peacefully protesting crowds in Kyiv last winter.

And we are all more vulnerable to that danger because we have let atrophy the institutions necessary to meet and contain that danger. It’s time—past time—to build those institutions back. That’s been the meaning of the Ukraine crisis from the start. The terrible heartbreak of MH17 might have been averted if we had absorbed that meaning early. But better to absorb it now than to leave it any longer.

***

{T]hus far, the West has been reluctant to strike the cancer at its source. France is on schedule to deliver two Mistral amphibious assault ships to Russia, having signed a contract for the vessels after Moscow invaded and occupied another neighbor, Georgia, in 2008. This week, it was reported that Italy, which currently occupies the EU presidency, was attempting to water down a further round of sanctions. And on Sunday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel— considered one of the continent’s toughest leaders when it comes to dealing with Russia—could be seen chatting next to Putin at the World Cup in Rio de Janeiro…

It is long past time that the United States and its NATO allies supply the Ukrainian military with the lethal aid it has long requested, so that it can at least defend itself and its airspace from Russia. NATO should deploy more troops to Poland and the Baltic states, which are understandably nervous about Russian designs on their territory and quietly doubt the Alliance’s Article 5 commitment stipulating that an attack on one is an attack on all. Sectoral sanctions that could cripple the Russian economy are also long overdue. And, if Russian involvement in this attack is conclusively demonstrated, Russia should be added to the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism.

***

Putin will almost certainly have to back away from the insurgency. And mere rhetoric will not be enough. He will actually need to take concrete steps to close the borders and stop the supply of weapons if he is to convince the West that he is serious about distancing himself from the men who brought down MH17. In these circumstances, re-energized government forces will probably be able to win the war militarily, and sooner than would otherwise be the case.

If the war ends sooner, however, it may also be bloodier. The rebels will have their backs to the wall, especially because most of them will probably have no option to retreat into Russia or receive asylum. Kiev may also feel more able to resort to the kind of artillery and airstrikes that won the battle for Slavyansk, regardless of the inevitable civilian casualties, when they move against the remaining strongholds of Luhansk and Donetsk.

Either way, it doesn’t look good for Moscow. Putin has increasingly framed himself as the guardian of Russians around the world and the master of post-Soviet Eurasia. No matter how the state-controlled media spin it, a reversal in eastern Ukraine will undermine him both at home and in Russia’s neighbors. The tragedy of Flight MH17 has reshaped the political context of the Ukrainian conflict. It also represents an unexpected and unwelcome challenge to Putin himself.

***

Until now, the desire of some members of the Obama administration for more aggressive multilateral action against Putin has been stymied by the reluctance of European governments, particularly Germany, to antagonize Russia. Business interests in the U.S. have also claimed that American companies could be hurt if they lose access to the Russian market. In the aftermath of the Malaysia Airlines disaster, which almost certainly claimed dozens of American and European lives, such voices will be drowned out by demands from the public that Russia be punished for supplying the weapons that may have brought the airliner down.
Story: Russian Media Goes Far Out to Explain Malaysia Airlines Disaster

To the vast majority of Americans, Russia’s meddling in Ukraine has largely seemed of peripheral importance to U.S. interests. That calculus has changed. As we have argued before, Putin has far more to lose from a prolonged confrontation than does the West. His finance ministry has already warned that additional sanctions would crush economic growth. And as more Russian businesses get squeezed and living standards deteriorate, Putin’s base of political support will crumble.

It may take months, even years, but Putin’s recklessness is bound to catch up to him. When it does, the downing of MH 17 may be seen as the beginning of his undoing.

***

Andropov didn’t have to live with opprobrium for long: he passed away less than six months after the KAL 007 disaster. Putin, however, is a relatively young, healthy man, and he will continue to occupy the world stage as Russia’s supreme ruler. But he will never again be able to portray himself as a savvy, cool broker in international affairs, nor Russia as just another great power. Now, he’s just another Soviet-era thug, a perception that was already growing before the Malaysian airliner plunged out of the sky. No matter how the current crisis ends, Putin’s name will forever be tied to this outrage, and his personal bid to create a more respected Russia through violence and intimidation is permanently defunct.

In the short term, the international community may not manage to muster sanctions against Russia that are any more effective than those imposed on the old USSR. But over the longer term, Putin has done far worse to his own country than any punishment we can levy. He has returned Russia to its cursed role as an international pariah, a country incapable of conducting itself without brutality and conquest. Putin’s Kremlin will likely pay only a modest price for now, but Russia and its people will have to bear the brunt of an increasing and corrosive isolation thrust upon them by their leader and his outdated Soviet fears and insecurities. If the Russian people one day find that NATO has renewed its purpose and that the globalized world community has moved on without them, they will have only Vladimir Putin to blame.


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bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Niters and sleep well, Bimm!

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:09 PM

I live faraway

faraway on July 18, 2014 at 11:00 PM

So faraway?…..

williamg on July 18, 2014 at 11:10 PM

garydt on July 18, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Dear Leader thinks secure borders are for other countries I guess.

cat_owner on July 18, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Screwy name. Beautiful place. Great Dismal Swamp

KCB on July 18, 2014 at 11:12 PM

I remember watching it.
On a 13″ black and white Sears Roebuck TV with rabbit ears.
Galtian on July 18, 2014 at 11:03 PM

I missed it, but heard about it later… :-(

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Twerp watched the moon landing with rabbit ears.

Parmenides on July 18, 2014 at 11:12 PM

ok..no more silly space posts…

I would like suggestions for my protest sign for tomorrows gig??

one side will have RATSO on it…and maybe a HA or HotAir..
but I am looking for something for the other side..
what say you clever writer types??

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Twerp watched the moon landing with rabbit ears.

Parmenides on July 18, 2014 at 11:12 PM

The TV had them too.

KCB on July 18, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Saw ELP in Montreal in 1977 … but this is from 1970
gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:06 PM

MUCH better than “Lucky Man”! :-D

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:13 PM

ok..no more silly space posts…

I would like suggestions for my protest sign for tomorrows gig??

one side will have RATSO on it…and maybe a HA or HotAir..
but I am looking for something for the other side..
what say you clever writer types??

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:13 PM

blah! blah! blah! It’s close the border time!

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:15 PM

We watched the moon landing on the radio since we had zero channels. You pikers are complaining about only having 1 channel. We had to gain one channel just to get back to having zero channels.

Parmenides on July 18, 2014 at 11:15 PM

blah! blah! blah! It’s close the border time!

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Looks like we have a wiener.

But no more Blah! Blah! Blah!

-Captain Kirk

Judge_Dredd on July 18, 2014 at 11:16 PM

what say you clever writer types??
going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:13 PM

No se puede?

Inmigrantes ilegales van casa?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:16 PM

The way I understand it it’s the shortest route from one place to another. The airlines know they should avoid it but they decide to take a chance to save fuel and money.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Excellent coverage of the story from UK DailyMail. Includes map showing how plane diverted from the path taken by the prior ten MH17 flights

Allegedly the pilot had radio’d not that he wanted to save fuel, but that he ‘felt bad’

Information from malysian airlines is as bad as the last missing plane. Transcripts not being made available, but at this point, the story is not fuel savings that caused the pilot to change from the normal course, but that he had a feeling

entagor on July 18, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:13 PM

I like this one too.

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:17 PM

The local news mentioned the protests but probably so they could have the mayor on to talk about how “friendly” Dayton is toward “immigrants”. It’s a sanctuary city. It doesn’t seem to bother them that they are doing something illegal.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:20 PM

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Ratso!

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Good Hank is from King of the Hill. He’s Cotton’s (Hank Hill’s dad) second son. Regular Hank is a big disappointment to him what with his narrow urethra and all.

Judge_Dredd on July 18, 2014 at 10:53 PM

errr…uhmm…never seen it…shrugs..

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Did anyone run over any critters today?

Parmenides on July 18, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Did you deliver the teddy bears to the border yet, daddy?

Galtian on July 18, 2014 at 11:22 PM

how bout this for the protest

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:23 PM

blah! blah! blah! It’s close the border time!

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:15 PM

I believe you suggested the RATSO side… h/t
and I am not quoting a HA tool/troll

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:24 PM

Landing on the moon to hitching a ride to the space station.

One of the things I like about the high desert is the sky. Sometimes you can see the space station in the morning, passing over.
I used to have a 6″ newtonian reflector, but I gave it away to a friends kid who showed interest.

I wanted to build a homemade 12″ out of a concrete form tube, anyyways. Back to the roots of it. Figure I’ll understand it better that way.

Eyepieices and a mirror. Wing the rest.

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Illegal aliens cost more than they contribute to the economy. They bankrupt hospitals because they go to the ER if their illegal offspring gets a cold. And they have about 5 children.

Parmenides on July 18, 2014 at 11:25 PM

No se puede?

Inmigrantes ilegales van casa?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:16 PM

what???

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:25 PM

I like this one too.
gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:17 PM

INFINITELY better than “Lucky Man”!

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:26 PM

Anyone want to see my patients for me tomorrow? I’m tired.
Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 10:45 PM

It must take a lot of patients to be a god doctor.

anuts on July 18, 2014 at 11:26 PM

No se puede?
Inmigrantes ilegales van casa?
Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:16 PM

what???
going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:25 PM

In order:

No you can’t

Illegals Go Home ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:27 PM

*good

anuts on July 18, 2014 at 11:27 PM

It must take a lot of patients to be a god doctor.

anuts on July 18, 2014 at 11:26 PM

o__0? Whassa god doctor?

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Probably better than this.

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:27 PM

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 11:25 PM

I know someone who lives in the high desert. Apple Valley. I think it would be nice.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:28 PM

how bout this for the protest
Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Maybe “YOU! SHALL NOT! STAY!”

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:29 PM

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 11:25 PM

NASA has a phone app to alert you when to look up..here

http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/

or you could track it here

http://www.n2yo.com/

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Bechet Creole Blues – Bechet

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:30 PM

o__0? Whassa god doctor?
Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:27 PM

What you thought you were before you became an intern… :P

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:23 PM

I am in Michigan doc…
by the time they get here…they have passed already…way past..

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:31 PM

o__0? Whassa god doctor?
Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:27 PM

What you thought you were before you became an intern… :P
Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Haha! Oh man…

*good*

anuts on July 18, 2014 at 11:32 PM

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Nice.

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:23 PM

I am in Michigan doc…
by the time they get here…they have passed already…way past..

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Ok, then this is yours…send them back

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Obama Forces Religious Groups To Pick Faith Or Funding
VorDaj on July 18, 2014 at 11:28 PM

Didn’t zero already lose that fight when SCOTUS ruled the Medicaid expansion as written in 404care was unconstitutional?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Ratso!

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 11:21 PM

laffs…a two sided RATSO sign??..hmm
I will be explaining that all day to ppl..

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:33 PM

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Good evening, gh. :) Thanks.

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:34 PM

What you thought you were before you became an intern… :P
Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Trust me, I never suffered from that particular delusion….:)

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Really The Blues – Bechet

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:34 PM

laffs…a two sided RATSO sign??..hmm
I will be explaining that all day to ppl..

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:33 PM

I’ll watch for coverage.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:34 PM

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Weirdly reminiscent of Louis Armstrong’s voice.

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:35 PM

I know someone who lives in the high desert. Apple Valley. I think it would be nice. crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:28 PM

The sky is so clear. I’m not kidding when I say I see the space station go over. They report where and when to look with the weather report here, along with meteor showers.

There are telescopes on a lot of mountain tops.

Like Kitt peak.

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 11:35 PM

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Same era and they played a lot of the same clubs. Pretty sure they worked some of those clubs together, too, but I’d have to look it up to be sure.

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:36 PM

a two sided RATSO sign??..hmm
I will be explaining that all day to ppl..
going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Imagine how much ‘splainin’ you’d have to do if’n y’all had a two-sided “HA” sign… o_O

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Like Kitt peak.

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Can’t see much here with trees and lights.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:37 PM

No you can’t

Illegals Go Home ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:27 PM

normally I trust the bar owner…
I have to they are in charge of the booze..
are you sure it says that??..
or will I get pummeled all day for saying something bad??
are you sure it doesn’t mean..
“your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberry”

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Trust me, I never suffered from that particular delusion….:)
Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Now, there you go again…injecting reality into a wee bit of teasing… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Go away or I shall taunt you a second time

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:40 PM

La Route du Bonheur 1952( Exerpt) – Bechet, Armstrong, Reinhardt

There’s one for you, gh.:)

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:40 PM

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Preservation Hall Jazz Band came to our town (in Ontario) in the 1970s. Only the manager (who played with them) was under 60. Really cool.

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Now, there you go again…injecting reality into a wee bit of teasing… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Unfortunately, I’m stuck here in reality….:P

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:41 PM

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Check it out, G2M… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:41 PM

Unfortunately, I’m stuck here in reality….:P
Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:41 PM

At least you kept your sense of humour, Doc ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:42 PM

Ok, then this is yours…send them back

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:33 PM

“Send these foul beasts into the abyss”

yet another movie I didn’t see…
did it end well??…

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:42 PM

At least you kept your sense of humour, Doc ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:42 PM

Necessary survival equipment to keep one’s sanity….

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:43 PM

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:40 PM

No Stephane :-(

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:44 PM

I’ll watch for coverage.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:34 PM

should be easy to spot..
I will be the one getting my head bashed in
if I pick some of these suggestions I think..

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:44 PM

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Thanks. It’s striking at predawn. The sun hits it just right and it’s moving fast.

Never fails to amaze me. I caught it one time through the scope, briefly.

But moving objects are difficult.

I saw it for a split second at high magnitude.

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 11:45 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Can’t keep up …

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:46 PM

Necessary survival equipment to keep one’s sanity….
Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:43 PM

Lord knows it’s kept me out of many a rubber room… :P

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:47 PM

I think it would be best not to use Spanish. It’s like pandering to the illegals. And you shouldn’t attack them. Attack the policy and Obama.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:47 PM

Check it out, G2M… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:41 PM

No se puede
Inmigrantes ilegales van casa

translated to

You can not
Illegal immigrants are going home

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:48 PM

“Send these foul beasts into the abyss”
yet another movie I didn’t see…
did it end well??…
going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:42 PM

It took two sequels, but yes, it ended well… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:48 PM

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:44 PM

lol! Sorry, I guess Grappelli didn’t make the train. :)

That video you posted is great, though. Lucky. :)

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:48 PM

No se puede
Inmigrantes ilegales van casa

translated to

You can not
Illegal immigrants are going home

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:48 PM

Close enough for gubmint werk, G2M ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:49 PM

Minor Swing

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:49 PM

Evening HA

CNN dummy competes with MSNBC dummy.

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2014 at 11:49 PM

Egyptian Fantasy – Bechet

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:50 PM

I think it would be best not to use Spanish.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:47 PM

They’d understand the signage… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:50 PM

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:13 PM

We welcome LEGAL immigrants only.

Not to harsh….

Barred on July 18, 2014 at 11:50 PM

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 11:45 PM

difficult at best.. lucky you..
I have better luck with the 10×15 binoculars..
than my telescope..

and the tracking web page helps..some

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Necessary survival equipment to keep one’s sanity….
Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:43 PM

Lord knows it’s kept me out of many a rubber room… :P

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:47 PM

Too true…I know a cardiologist here in town who is the most miserable guy I think I have ever met…he obviously hates his job and is about as friendly as a angry alligator…he needs to quit.

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:54 PM

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:47 PM

bless you…tyvm
at least one of you doesn’t want me to be bloodied tomorrow..

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:54 PM

J’attendrai Swing (1939) – Reinhardt

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:54 PM

We welcome LEGAL immigrants only.

I like that.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:54 PM

The rest just disappear, or are adults, many pregnant.

The vicious circle, on the backs of the US taxpayers.

Revolt and cantorize all, from the left to the right.

Cruz is joining Beck tomorrow, at the border.

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2014 at 11:55 PM

Is MH-17 the Lusitania of 2014?

VorDaj on July 18, 2014 at 11:55 PM

can’’t see much here with trees and lights. crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:37 PM

It’s different out here. The cities are like islands. With oceans of nothing in between.

There’s a whole lot of nothing.

It’s not like back east, where small towns are scattered about.

In Tucson we have “dark skies” laws. They limit lights.

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 11:56 PM

CNN dummy competes with MSNBC dummy.
Schadenfreude on July 18, 2014 at 11:49 PM

So…feckin’ diptwit meets diptwit…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:56 PM

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:50 PM

Never heard Bechtel before tonight. All good.

Here’s a last one from me.

Summertime: Tommy Emmanual and Nigel Kennedy … younger version of Reinhardt and Grapelli

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:57 PM

Cruz is joining Beck tomorrow, at the border.

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2014 at 11:55 PM

Will Pastor Beck be preaching to Cruz that he must display Christian values to the poor immigrant ninos?

VorDaj on July 18, 2014 at 11:57 PM

Too true…I know a cardiologist here in town who is the most miserable guy I think I have ever met…he obviously hates his job and is about as friendly as a angry alligator…he needs to quit.
Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 11:54 PM

That poor man needs more patients like me–slightly ditzy, intellectually curious, asks intelligent questions, and cracks offbeat but on-topic jokes… :P

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:58 PM

In Tucson we have “dark skies” laws. They limit lights.

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Sometimes liberals do useful things. The landlord informed me we have to have the light right in front of my trailer. If I had a BB gun I’d shoot it out.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:58 PM

We welcome LEGAL immigrants only.

Not to harsh….

Barred on July 18, 2014 at 11:50 PM

oddly enough our protest is in Lansing…(ty schad)
the Grand River flows right by…(not the Rio Grande)

so your sign has some river crossing warm welcoming to it…ty

going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:58 PM

gh on July 18, 2014 at 11:57 PM

I hope you enjoyed him. :)

Thanks for that Emmanual and Kennedy. Excellent. :)

Goodnight, gh. Good seeing you. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Time for bed.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:59 PM

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 11:47 PM
bless you…tyvm
at least one of you doesn’t want me to be bloodied tomorrow..
going2mars on July 18, 2014 at 11:54 PM

I would NEVER want you bloodied, G2M–but I DID know that you would choose to go with whatever suggestion(s) you felt comfortable with ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 19, 2014 at 12:00 AM

La Mer – Reinhardt

thatsafactjack on July 19, 2014 at 12:00 AM

Good night COL. Our prayers for your brother and you.
and good night HA, time for me to go, too–see you in the am…

Doc Holliday on July 19, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Will Pastor Messiah Beck be preaching to Cruz that he must display Christian values to the poor immigrant ninos?

VorDaj on July 18, 2014 at 11:57 PM

No idea, but I hope they do what they do with their own funds, and not with any taxpayers’ dough.

Schadenfreude on July 19, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Didn’t zero already lose that fight when SCOTUS ruled the Medicaid expansion as written in 404care was unconstitutional?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Like a thief in the night, when Zero finds the front door locked, he just goes through a back window.

VorDaj on July 19, 2014 at 12:02 AM

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