Quotes of the day

posted at 8:21 pm on July 18, 2014 by Allahpundit

The downing of a Malaysian commercial airliner flying at 33,000 feet over Ukraine could dramatically broaden the Ukrainian crisis, even before it is determined who bears responsibility…

“This is a new element that nobody expected,” James F. Collins, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia who now works at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said of the plane’s downing. “It’s one of those events . . . that can have unpredicted negative or positive consequences.”

On the negative side, it marks a clear escalation of both firepower and the willingness to use it that could draw the patrons of both sides into more overt participation on the ground and more direct confrontation with each other…

But Collins and others suggested that the shocking nature of the incident could also be a wake-up call to all involved. “It may bring certain people to decide that some different approach is needed because this is really getting out of hand,” Collins said. “All of a sudden, it could mean a lot more people talking about [the Ukraine situation] and saying enough is enough.”

***

A short video posted to YouTube by the Ukrainian government reportedly shows a “Buk,” or SA-11 “Gadfly,” surface-to-air missile system en route from eastern Ukraine to the Russian border on Friday.

While the video cannot be independently verified, the footage appears to show the system with at least one of its missiles missing. It also appears to be mounted on a tracked chassis, although it has been loaded onto a flatbed trailer. Tracked vehicles are decidedly slower than their wheeled counterparts. The use of the truck could indicate the system’s own propulsion system is disabled, or that speed is a priority for whomever is moving it.

U.S. officials asserted Friday that the Malaysian airliner that crashed in Ukraine was likely downed by an SA-11 operated from a separatist-held location.

***

The United States has gathered a significant body of evidence that Ukrainian separatists have been trained on Russian territory in recent weeks to fire antiaircraft missiles, according to American military and intelligence officials who have raised alarms over the reports.

Among other weapons, U.S. officials said, the separatists have been trained in using mobile antiaircraft batteries — missile systems that could be moved around on vehicles and are thought to have been used in the downing of a Malaysia Airlines jet Thursday…

Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary, said defense officials could not point to specific evidence that an SA-11 surface-to-air missile system had been transported from Russia into eastern Ukraine. But he said it was clear the rebels had wanted to add such a weapon to their arsenal.

***

McCain said he sees “no separation” between Putin and the Ukrainian rebels, calling that movement “clearly orchestrated” by Moscow…

Sen. Mark Kirk of Illinois said he believes operating the missile system “would need backup from a nation-state like Russia.”

“That would mean that Russian armed forces are directly involved in this wrongful death of roughly 300 people,” Kirk asserted…

“If you’re a world power and you give this type of sophisticated weaponry to insurrectionists, you’re responsible for what happens after that,” King said. “This violates to me all norms of international behavior by a world power.”

***

Europe and even America never cared that much about Crimea. It is difficult to dislodge an annexation when a majority of the population likely really did support it. And the Europeans, as long as the big red lines weren’t being crossed, are too tied to Russian fuels and their myriad other concerns to care that much about mischief on Ukraine’s eastern border. But having a passenger plane, filled with EU citizens, shot out of the sky above what is presumed to be the bubble of first world safety that is “Europe” is a game changing event not only in the Ukraine crisis but much more broadly about Putin’s role in Europe generally.

In a paradoxical way, I think the future ramifications of this are almost greater because it is about Russia’s recklessness and bumbling than it would be if it were more clearly a matter of intent. This is a f’-up on Putin’s part of almost mind-boggling proportions. Yes, a tragedy. Yes, perhaps an atrocity. But almost more threatening, a screw up. Malign intent is one thing. So is aggression. But goofs of this magnitude by someone who controls a massive military arsenal and nuclear weapons are in a way more threatening.

***

Pavlovsky was especially concerned about one of the pro-Russian military leaders in eastern Ukraine, a former (and possibly current) Russian intelligence officer known to most by his nom de guerre, Igor Strelkov. (Strelkov’s real name is Igor Girkin.)

A wildly messianic nationalist who cultivates an air of lumpy intrigue, Strelkov has found his way to the battlefields of Chechnya, Serbia, and Transnistria. He is now helping to run the separatist operation in Donetsk. Like the radical nationalists and neo-imperialists in Moscow, who have easy access to the airwaves these days, Strelkov has a singular point of disagreement with Putin: the Russian President hasn’t gone nearly far enough; he has failed to invade and annex “Novorossiya,” the separatist term for eastern Ukraine. Pavlovsky said that people like Strelkov and his Moscow allies are as delusional as they are dangerous, somehow believing that they are taking part in grand historical dramas, like the Battle of Borodino, in 1812, or “the novels of Tolkien.”…

If it turns out that men like Strelkov and his fellow soldier-fantasists were responsible for the destruction of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 and all the people on board, the fever in Russia and Ukraine may intensify beyond anything that Vladimir Putin could have predicted or desired. It is long past time that Putin ended both the inflammatory information war in Russia and the military proxy war in eastern Ukraine that he has done so much to conceive, fund, organize, and fuel. There are hundreds of corpses strewn across a field today in eastern Ukraine. What is Vladimir Putin’s next move?

***

Ukraine’s very future may be riding on the results of whatever credible inquiry emerges, as its economic and territorial survival depends on the international support. Ukraine is not winning this war on its own, and Kyiv’s political class knows it. They need to plug that hole on Russia-Ukraine border, which Moscow is reportedly using to support the rebels. Without Western financial, logistical and military assistance, Ukraine’s hapless and battered government can’t do it. And the West is reluctant to deliver…

Andriy Shevchenko, a prominent pro-European member of the parliament, partially blames the international community for the airplane disaster. “The rebels turned Eastern Ukraine into a tribal land with no rules, no laws or dignity,” he told me. “This is just a huge, dark hole right in the center of Europe. We need to shut it down.”

On Friday, Putin called again for peace talks—but nobody in Kyiv is listening at the moment. The Ukrainian public and its leaders insist they will go all the way to defeat the rebels. “It is time to put an end to this aggression, and the world should join us in the eliminating of terrorists. It doesn’t matter where they are,” Oleksandr Tyrchynov, the speaker of parliament said in a public statement, most likely hinting at a possible military campaign along the Russian border.

***

Suddenly, NATO’s role in Europe has regained relevance. Unfortunately, NATO lacks the credibility to match. The United States no longer maintains even a single tank in Europe. The European countries have allowed their defense capabilities to wither altogether. If the budget sequester remains in force, the U.S. Army’s combat capabilities will be cut in half by decade’s end. Even if NATO decided that Russia’s latest actions release the West from the 1990s ban on permanent deployments in eastern Europe, what troops could it send?

We shouldn’t give up the hope that Putin will prove only an ugly detour on Russia’s route to a future as a normal, peaceful European democracy. But we shouldn’t any longer rely on that hope to guide our policy. Russia has become dangerous again. It’s not as dangerous as it was, but it’s more than dangerous enough. Nearly 300 bereaved families in the Netherlands, Britain, Canada, and elsewhere have suffered what hundreds of Ukrainians have suffered since Russian sharpshooters opened fire on peacefully protesting crowds in Kyiv last winter.

And we are all more vulnerable to that danger because we have let atrophy the institutions necessary to meet and contain that danger. It’s time—past time—to build those institutions back. That’s been the meaning of the Ukraine crisis from the start. The terrible heartbreak of MH17 might have been averted if we had absorbed that meaning early. But better to absorb it now than to leave it any longer.

***

{T]hus far, the West has been reluctant to strike the cancer at its source. France is on schedule to deliver two Mistral amphibious assault ships to Russia, having signed a contract for the vessels after Moscow invaded and occupied another neighbor, Georgia, in 2008. This week, it was reported that Italy, which currently occupies the EU presidency, was attempting to water down a further round of sanctions. And on Sunday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel— considered one of the continent’s toughest leaders when it comes to dealing with Russia—could be seen chatting next to Putin at the World Cup in Rio de Janeiro…

It is long past time that the United States and its NATO allies supply the Ukrainian military with the lethal aid it has long requested, so that it can at least defend itself and its airspace from Russia. NATO should deploy more troops to Poland and the Baltic states, which are understandably nervous about Russian designs on their territory and quietly doubt the Alliance’s Article 5 commitment stipulating that an attack on one is an attack on all. Sectoral sanctions that could cripple the Russian economy are also long overdue. And, if Russian involvement in this attack is conclusively demonstrated, Russia should be added to the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism.

***

Putin will almost certainly have to back away from the insurgency. And mere rhetoric will not be enough. He will actually need to take concrete steps to close the borders and stop the supply of weapons if he is to convince the West that he is serious about distancing himself from the men who brought down MH17. In these circumstances, re-energized government forces will probably be able to win the war militarily, and sooner than would otherwise be the case.

If the war ends sooner, however, it may also be bloodier. The rebels will have their backs to the wall, especially because most of them will probably have no option to retreat into Russia or receive asylum. Kiev may also feel more able to resort to the kind of artillery and airstrikes that won the battle for Slavyansk, regardless of the inevitable civilian casualties, when they move against the remaining strongholds of Luhansk and Donetsk.

Either way, it doesn’t look good for Moscow. Putin has increasingly framed himself as the guardian of Russians around the world and the master of post-Soviet Eurasia. No matter how the state-controlled media spin it, a reversal in eastern Ukraine will undermine him both at home and in Russia’s neighbors. The tragedy of Flight MH17 has reshaped the political context of the Ukrainian conflict. It also represents an unexpected and unwelcome challenge to Putin himself.

***

Until now, the desire of some members of the Obama administration for more aggressive multilateral action against Putin has been stymied by the reluctance of European governments, particularly Germany, to antagonize Russia. Business interests in the U.S. have also claimed that American companies could be hurt if they lose access to the Russian market. In the aftermath of the Malaysia Airlines disaster, which almost certainly claimed dozens of American and European lives, such voices will be drowned out by demands from the public that Russia be punished for supplying the weapons that may have brought the airliner down.
Story: Russian Media Goes Far Out to Explain Malaysia Airlines Disaster

To the vast majority of Americans, Russia’s meddling in Ukraine has largely seemed of peripheral importance to U.S. interests. That calculus has changed. As we have argued before, Putin has far more to lose from a prolonged confrontation than does the West. His finance ministry has already warned that additional sanctions would crush economic growth. And as more Russian businesses get squeezed and living standards deteriorate, Putin’s base of political support will crumble.

It may take months, even years, but Putin’s recklessness is bound to catch up to him. When it does, the downing of MH 17 may be seen as the beginning of his undoing.

***

Andropov didn’t have to live with opprobrium for long: he passed away less than six months after the KAL 007 disaster. Putin, however, is a relatively young, healthy man, and he will continue to occupy the world stage as Russia’s supreme ruler. But he will never again be able to portray himself as a savvy, cool broker in international affairs, nor Russia as just another great power. Now, he’s just another Soviet-era thug, a perception that was already growing before the Malaysian airliner plunged out of the sky. No matter how the current crisis ends, Putin’s name will forever be tied to this outrage, and his personal bid to create a more respected Russia through violence and intimidation is permanently defunct.

In the short term, the international community may not manage to muster sanctions against Russia that are any more effective than those imposed on the old USSR. But over the longer term, Putin has done far worse to his own country than any punishment we can levy. He has returned Russia to its cursed role as an international pariah, a country incapable of conducting itself without brutality and conquest. Putin’s Kremlin will likely pay only a modest price for now, but Russia and its people will have to bear the brunt of an increasing and corrosive isolation thrust upon them by their leader and his outdated Soviet fears and insecurities. If the Russian people one day find that NATO has renewed its purpose and that the globalized world community has moved on without them, they will have only Vladimir Putin to blame.


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Light rain here.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Ratso!

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Calling all Wenches, Rude Buffoons, loons and trolls…

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Reuters Poll: Obama’s Approval Rating Drops To 37%…

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014 at 8:25 PM

I wonder who the idiot 37% are.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Light rain here.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Man you are getting lot’s of rain this year…

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014

That’s the lowest I’ve seen it. Seen others any lower, RWM?

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Man you are getting lot’s of rain this year…

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 8:27 PM

It’s very light and we’re on the very northern edge. The rain this year has put on hold plans to re-landscape the park and build a gazebo. Maybe next year saner heads will prevail.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Enough with MH17. What’s up with MH370?

cozmo on July 18, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Regarding the Palestinian crisis which would probably be the qotd if this airline hadn’t been shot down (and don’t forget the border crisis). Anyway, do you remember what the Palestinians were doing on Sept 11th 2001? Dancing in the streets. Just jubilant that America had been hit. There didn’t seem to be any exceptions. Well, until hours later when the PLO authority told people to put a clamp on it because it didn’t look good. The question is why do we go out of our way and bend over backwards to try to help a group that clearly thinks that we are their enemy?

anotherJoe on July 18, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Should be 10%, but at least it’s under 40 now.

cat_owner on July 18, 2014 at 8:30 PM

I wonder who the idiot 37% are.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 8:26 PM

The one’s that don’t want to do better than the 47%.

cozmo on July 18, 2014 at 8:31 PM

It is truly incredible that we are achieving these hundreds of protests across the nation large and small without any major television coverage prior to our launch! No major TV network, not even Fox News, would report beforehand despite our best attempts!

Pictures of protests from around the country here:

http://www.alipac.us/july-18-evening-update-weekend-national-protests-against-illegal-immigration-3208/

Should be much larger turn outs tomorrow. And all this with a media black out.

cat_owner on July 18, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Sen. Mark Kirk of Illinois said he believes operating the missile system “would need backup from a nation-state like Russia.”

Wasn’t RWM linking a possible home movie of this truck giggling and toe-stepping back to Russia?

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Alternate Headline: “Growing number of Americans self-identify as racist …”

ShainS on July 18, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Going to the Beach Festival (not at the beach) tomorrow. Been listening to beach music and watching shag dance contest vides for last 3/4 hour or so.

This couple is so good!!!

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 8:33 PM

I wonder who the idiot 37% are.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Blacks, show biz, academia, public unions, single birth canals, lizard people.

Rix on July 18, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Ratzmo!

Judge_Dredd on July 18, 2014 at 8:36 PM

I wonder who the idiot 37% are.
crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 8:26 PM

The ones that have videos on loop of oceans rising and the planet healing on their Obamaphones.

anuts on July 18, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Judge_Dredd on July 18, 2014 at 8:36 PM

How’s your weather?

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Well, we had a “bear on the loose” in a burger joint. He was interviewing a single mother who was married and divorced by the age of 16. (?!?!!) (Apparently this chick is not able to sue for child support; she has to seek help from Daddy Warbucks.) Can you guess her race? Holder can fill you in since he wants to have such a conversation.

onlineanalyst on July 18, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Online dating pickup line of the night….

“You must have lasers in your eyes because you’ve stunned me”

gophergirl on July 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM

“You must have lasers in your eyes because you’ve stunned me”

gophergirl on July 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Running out of ideas aren’t they.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 8:40 PM

How’s your weather?

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Abt 80. Some rain.

Judge_Dredd on July 18, 2014 at 8:40 PM

“You must have lasers in your eyes because you’ve stunned me”

gophergirl on July 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Lasers don’t work on stun. Phasers do.

Rix on July 18, 2014 at 8:40 PM

gophergirl on July 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Have you actually met any of these freaks yet? Be careful…

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Abt 80. Some rain.

Judge_Dredd on July 18, 2014 at 8:40 PM

In’t that typical for you?

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 8:41 PM

In’t that typical for you?

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Rainy-er this year than in recent years.

Judge_Dredd on July 18, 2014 at 8:43 PM

“If you’re a world power and you give this type of sophisticated weaponry to insurrectionists, you’re responsible for what happens after that,” King said. “This violates to me all norms of international behavior by a world power.”

Here is your lawsuit against Hussein, Holder and Killery all you families of Benghazi 4 .

burrata on July 18, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Running out of ideas aren’t they.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 8:40 PM

If you saw the pictures that came with those pick up lines – you would laugh even more.

Have you actually met any of these freaks yet? Be careful…

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Nope. Thanks for the concern you’re too sweet :)

gophergirl on July 18, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Are there any bikers on QOTD? Anybody who has been on one of the 9/11 Honor Rides? Or maybe is going this year?

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Reuters Poll: Obama’s Approval Rating Drops To 37%…

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Going down faster than panties on prom night…

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Online dating pickup line of the night….

“You must have lasers in your eyes because you’ve stunned me”

gophergirl on July 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM

“Sorry I damaged your face.”

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Strelkov is the same freak who said he’s heard reports that many of the people on the plane were already dead before the plane went down, like days dead.

We aren’t dealing with sane people here and our guys seem just as crazy.

I think I’ll just travel in my local area for a while, drive my truck and skip mass transit of any sort.

Bishop on July 18, 2014 at 8:47 PM

blah blah blah! it’s QOTD time!

coolrepublica on July 18, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Wasn’t RWM linking a possible home movie of this truck giggling and toe-stepping back to Russia?

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 8:32 PM


Tucked in the corner of a leafy square, is this the Russian missile launcher that blasted flight MH17 out of the sky?

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014 at 8:49 PM

37% is the lowest that I’ve ever seen.

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Someone’s got the wrong game of teacher again…

Judge_Dredd on July 18, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014 at 8:49 PM

I can be stone-hearted when I need to, and my sympathy level for most humans is already pretty low, but does your link actually show the dead infant? Not clicking until I know.

Bishop on July 18, 2014 at 8:51 PM

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Bishop.

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Online dating pickup line of the night….

“You must have lasers in your eyes because you’ve stunned me”

gophergirl on July 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Best (awful) pickup line ever–

“Hey baby–I got color TV!”

Courtesy of one of my intoxicated friends in college.

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM

anotherJoe on July 18, 2014 at 8:30 PM

I saw one of those women in Gaza bawling her eyes out over some dead Mooselims, and God forgive me, but I couldn’t help but feel a twinge of satisfaction after the manner in which those vermin maggots celebrated the events of 9/11/01.

As far as I’m concerned, we have been at war with Islam since that day, and I hope Israel exterminates them like roaches sprayed with RAID.

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Going down faster than panties on prom night…

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Now there’s a line.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Hey GG,, June never concerned herself with voting.
She just cooked dinner. ;)

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 8:53 PM

but does your link actually show the dead infant? Not clicking until I know.

Bishop on July 18, 2014 at 8:51 PM

No.

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Okay that one made me giggle.

It’s these ones that try to be all “hey baby” that are creepy.

gophergirl on July 18, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Bishop on July 18, 2014 at 8:51 PM

You’re a biker, Bishop? Have you been to any of the 9/11 Honor Rides? I’m thinking about going this year. How is it organized? Who should I get into contact with? Any advice?

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 8:54 PM

blah blah blah! it’s QOTD time!

coolrepublica on July 18, 2014 at 8:48 PM

You’re sooooo original.

Your mum must be so proud.

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Want the QOTD? >

The investigation will take 9 years and end up with a maybe. Nova and Frontline to air findings July 8th, 2023.

Limerick on July 18, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Okay that one made me giggle.

It’s these ones that try to be all “hey baby” that are creepy.

gophergirl on July 18, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Yeah the girls laughed too. But that was the point! And he followed it up with the possibly even better (worse) “Hey baby, I got call waiting.”

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 8:56 PM

blah blah blah! it’s QOTD time!

coolrepublica on July 18, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Bawk Bawk Bawk! Eat yer chickin’!

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Anyone have a link to Hagfishes twitter? Was wondering if she has attracted a following…

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 8:56 PM

And, if Russian involvement in this attack is conclusively demonstrated, Russia should be added to the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism.

Yeah right, as if Mr Flexible will ever do that !

burrata on July 18, 2014 at 8:57 PM

blah blah blah! it’s QOTD time!

coolrepublica on July 18, 2014 at 8:48 PM

You’re sooooo original.

Your mum must be so proud.

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014 at 8:55 PM

She calls that her ‘calling card’.

I told her better calling cards for her would be a couple turds in her back pocket..She no likey…

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 8:58 PM

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 8:46 PM

bimm, how are you doing tonight? hopefully better. Jim

8 weight on July 18, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Weird thing is, a Russian media joint reported the plane having gone down a few minutes before it actually happened, WTF is that?

Bishop on July 18, 2014 at 8:58 PM

“Hey baby, I got call waiting.”

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 8:56 PM

One of the reasons I like men. They are so entertaining.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Rebel commander blamed for downing MH17 makes unlikely claim that ‘bodies aren’t fresh’ as he says corpses had been ‘dead for days’

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014 at 8:49 PM

^ Collateral damage of living in a disinformation climate, like the one we’re constructing for ourselves, is that where you expect to find educated, intelligent people, you find people willing to believe that. Not everyone, but too many. –It might as well be blood libel.

. . . and the Progs already shovel stupid that thick to their LIVs, so it’s not like we’re still at the top of the hill . . .

Tucked in the corner of a leafy square, is this the Russian missile launcher that blasted flight MH17 out of the sky?

Resist We Much on July 18, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Yes ma’am. :) TYVM.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696847/They-shouldnt-f-g-flying-There-war-going-Ukraine-intelligence-officials-release-phone-calls-claim-PROVES-Russia-shot-Flight-MH17.html

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 8:59 PM

But but but, livefreeordie said the Cold War is Over!
I guess nobody told Vladimir Putin, Lt Col, KGB.

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 8:59 PM

They are going to do everything they can to deflect blame from themselves.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 8:59 PM

When that libiot makes a pronouncement, you can bank on it being wrong.

cozmo on July 18, 2014 at 9:01 PM

<—–AFK

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 9:02 PM

When that libiot makes a pronouncement, you can bank on it being wrong.

cozmo on July 18, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Yup.

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 9:02 PM

blah blah blah! it’s QOTD time!

coolrepublica on July 18, 2014 at 8:48 PM

You’re brain-damaged.

CW on July 18, 2014 at 9:03 PM

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Oh just go get an iPhone like the hagfish.

cozmo on July 18, 2014 at 9:03 PM

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Don’t know if it’s the same thing but I rode with some people out of an American Legion Honor Ride club in South Dakota, it was part of a larger gathering of all sorts of biker groups.

All I did was motor along looking pretty damn good and getting propositioned by most of the women, I can’t give you much feedback on the actual organizing.

Ok I lied, my wife was the one getting propositioned by all the men, the women sort of steered clear of me since I’m kind of scary looking.

Try BING and see what sort of hits you get.

Bishop on July 18, 2014 at 9:03 PM

But but but, livefreeordie said the Cold War is Over!
Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 8:59 PM

He’s still upset his side lost.

anuts on July 18, 2014 at 9:05 PM

And, if Russian involvement in this attack is conclusively demonstrated, Russia should be added to the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism.

The Big Bear is untouchable. A major dollar dump coordinated between China and Russia will be a rare case of something being bad for both Obama and America.

Rix on July 18, 2014 at 9:07 PM

He’s still upset his side lost.

anuts on July 18, 2014 at 9:05 PM

That was exactly the feeling I had…

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Online dating pickup line of the night….

“You must have lasers in your eyes because you’ve stunned me”

gophergirl on July 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM

You blinded him with science.

onlineanalyst on July 18, 2014 at 9:09 PM

bimm, how are you doing tonight? hopefully better. Jim

8 weight on July 18, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Better, Jim…thanks.. To most folks, losing a steer is not too big a deal, I suspect. For me, though, T-Bone was my first go at cattle ranchin’, and I had high hopes for him.

That plus the fact that I live on a very tight little income, it hurts as I was counting on him providing the Mrs. and I some good beef for about two years.

But life goes on, and we roll with the flow.. I’m also a pretty sentimental sort of guy, and I get really attached to my critters. My animals are my purpose during these retirement years…

I appreciate your being as interested in my time with T-Bone… I consider you a friend, Jim…

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Try BING and see what sort of hits you get.

Bishop on July 18, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Already did. I know that there is a state chapter for 2 Million Bikers to DC in NC. I’ll try to contact them and see if they can give me any information.

I’ve never been one of the rides before. I was just wondering what it’s like. Would be riding a Harley Trike, I think.

The scary looking bikers are usually the big softies, Bishop.

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 9:12 PM

I dream of commenting from bed.

Judge_Dredd on July 18, 2014 at 9:12 PM

I appreciate your being as interested in my time with T-Bone… I consider you a friend, Jim…

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Chickens. You can eat the eggs…or the chickens. Pigs. You can feed them garbage.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 9:13 PM

There’s a protest in Tucson where they are housing the illegals. I’m there fer’sure.

Maybe they’ll have mariachi music like the one in Oracle AZ.

I love being called a racist.

They fly them in to Tuscon airport in the middle of the night.

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Oh just go get an iPhone like the hagfish.

cozmo on July 18, 2014 at 9:03 PM

:p pffffttttt :p

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 9:14 PM

I dream of commenting from bed.

Judge_Dredd on July 18, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Well, I’m off. No, really I am…

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 9:14 PM

I appreciate your being as interested in my time with T-Bone… I consider you a friend, Jim…

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 9:10 PM

If you do this again keep in touch with the county agriculture extension and get a vet.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Well, I’m off. No, really I am…

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Off you go!

Judge_Dredd on July 18, 2014 at 9:15 PM

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 9:10 PM

I know that cattle ain’t pets by a long shot, but when I had to put down my dog a few years ago, I had to take 2 days off work. The Veterinarian day and the one after. It was tough to see through all those tears.

Yeah, I like your posts Bimm, especially that one last night about things happening for a reason. It’s so important to understand that God’s plan is the important one, and to trust Him. I consider you a friend as well…..what part of TX do you live in?

8 weight on July 18, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Parm Making for Rally

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 9:16 PM

IOWA

Council Bluffs, River’s Edge Park located at: Bob Kerry Pedestrian Bridge, Council Bluffs, Iowa,. 51501. Saturday, July 19, 12:00pm – 4:00pm. This is a rally that will take place at River’s Edge Park and it is being held by the Louise Sollowin Memorial Scholarship Foundation in memory of Louise Sollowin – A 93 year old victim of illegal immigration Brutally beaten and raped by an illegal alien who surcame to her injuries and died four days later. Confirmed speakers are: Ia. Congressman Steve King; Council Bluffs Mayor Matt Walsh; Ia. State Treasurer candidate and former Senate candidate Sam Clovis; Ia. candidate for Governor Dr. Leigh Hieb; Founder and Natl. Director for The Remembrance Project Maria Espinoza; KFAB Talk Show host Chris Baker; Host of the radio show The Ruthie Report and Pres. of Minnesotans Seeking Immigration Reform (MINNSIR) Ruthie Hendrycks.

We are going to this tomorrow…

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 9:16 PM

They fly them in to Tuscon airport in the middle of the night.

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Maybe the protest should be at the airport.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 9:17 PM

The scary looking bikers are usually the big softies, Bishop.

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 9:12 PM

When you meet a bunch of bikers you definitely find out that you cannot judge a book by its cover.

CW on July 18, 2014 at 9:18 PM

“This is a new element that nobody expected,” James F. Collins, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia who now works at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said of the plane’s downing. “It’s one of those events . . . that can have unpredicted negative or positive consequences.”

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Chickens. You can eat the eggs…or the chickens. Pigs. You can feed them garbage.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 9:13 PM

A friend from work raises egg layers and he & I are considering raising cattle when we retire a few years from now. I moved out to a terrific farmland area and it sounds like something fun to do.

Don’t pigs root under the fence & get out?

8 weight on July 18, 2014 at 9:19 PM

We are going to this tomorrow…

OmahaConservative on July 18, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Well done, OC! Poor woman. Hope the turnout is good and the weather is fine.

I’ll be hitting the amnesty protest in Charlotte for a while tomorrow afternoon.

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Difference between a Russian Bear and a Brown Bear? Russian Bear sh*ts in the woods. Brown Bear sh*ts himself in the woods…

Skip2014 on July 18, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Chickens. You can eat the eggs…or the chickens. Pigs. You can feed them garbage.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 9:13 PM

We have about 200 chickens, 110 ducks, 16 geese, 50 guinea fowl, 8 turkeys, 6 Texas A&M quail, 5 Ring Necked Pheasants, 3 sheep, a donkey, 12 dogs, 2 pea fowl, a parrot, a cockatiel and a partridge in a pear tree. Our piggy now resides in the freezer, and we’re fixin’ to get a little porker soon.

I’ll take your advice on the vet next time we get a cow!!!

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 9:21 PM

When you meet a bunch of bikers you definitely find out that you cannot judge a book by its cover.

CW on July 18, 2014 at 9:18 PM

That is so true! I used to live in Conway, SC. That’s about 15 miles from Myrtle Beach. For two weeks every summer, the place would be swarming with bikers. One week it would be Harley rides. The other week it would be Honda riders.

I like the Harley groups better. They were just more polite and courteous, and they cleaned up after themselves.

That’s when I realized that some of the really big, burly looking manly-men with the tats and long beards could be some of the most tender-hearted and kind human beings you’d ever want to meet. Gentlemanly, too.!

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 9:23 PM

8 weight on July 18, 2014 at 9:16 PM

We are in North Central Texas, 12 miles west of Breckenridge, which is between Dallas and Abilene.

And as for your question about pigs, yes they DO root around under fences. The one that’s in my freezer got there a little early for that very reason. Damned thing kept getting out and raising hell where he wasn’t supposed to. I gave up on herding him back to the pen and repairing his escape hatches…

When you retire, this is the only way to go IMHO…

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 9:25 PM

I’ll take your advice on the vet next time we get a cow!!!

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Biy you are really set up. A vet is a good idea if you aren’t familiar with something. I know they can be expensive but they can look at the cow and inoculate it and take care of the neutering or whatever they call it with cattle. I watched my vet cousin do a horse once. Once you have a vet you can call him in if anything doesn’t seem right.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Parm Making for Rally

Axe on July 18, 2014

ROFL. The Greek man is going to get you for tarnishing his image!

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 9:25 PM

maybe the protest should be at the airport. crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 9:17 PM

I doubt many can protest at 1am way down there during the week.

We missed it anyways. The kids are already in place. By the time we discovered it, it was done.

It was Southwest Key, and Congressman Grigalva. City council, behind our backs.

Next post I’ll link southwest key, again.

wolly4321 on July 18, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Learned something new today.

A daily-mail article claiming that the anatomy for the Alien monster comes from the Moray Eel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharyngeal_jaw

Although the structure exists in 30,000 species it is only fully mobile in the Moray Eel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moray_eel#Anatomy

It also exists in Tilapia (which we eat):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilapia#Characteristics

gh on July 18, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Pigs are very smart and creative. Milk cows too. They spend their time trying to figure out ways to get out.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Biy you are really set up. A vet is a good idea if you aren’t familiar with something. I know they can be expensive but they can look at the cow and inoculate it and take care of the neutering or whatever they call it with cattle. I watched my vet cousin do a horse once. Once you have a vet you can call him in if anything doesn’t seem right.

crankyoldlady on July 18, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Lesson learned. Kinda like closing the barn door after the cow gets out??

bimmcorp on July 18, 2014 at 9:29 PM

…Putin looks like he has to fart!

JugEarsButtHurt on July 18, 2014 at 9:30 PM

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