Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on July 17, 2014 by Allahpundit

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 with 295 people aboard was likely shot down by an antiaircraft missile before it crashed and burned on Thursday in an eastern Ukraine wheat field near the Russian border, in an area roiled by fighting between pro-Russian separatists and Ukrainian forces…

Reporters arriving at the scene near the town of Grabovo described dozens of lifeless bodies strewn about, mostly intact, in a field dotted with purple flowers, with remnants of the plane scattered across a road lined with fire engines and emergency vehicles. “It fell down in pieces,” said one rescue worker as tents were set up to gather the dead.

One passenger in a black sweater lay on her back, with blood streaming down her face and her left arm raised. The carcass of the plane was still smoldering, and rescue workers moved through the dark field with flashlights. Dogs barked in the distance, and the air was filled with a bitter smell.

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Arizona Republican Senator John McCain claimed there would be “hell to pay” if Russia or its separatist allies shot down a Malaysian civilian airliner in eastern Ukraine on Thursday — though he cautioned it remains unclear who exactly is responsible…

“I think the repercussions are incalculably huge,” McCain told Mitchell. “But remember that the Russians have already — or separatists, either Russian or separatist, and they’re really one and the same — have already shot down several aircraft of the Ukrainians . . . So this is part of a pattern.”

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The Ukrainian government and pro-Russian separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine immediately blamed each other for the crash, which occurred as the Boeing 777 was flying its regular route from Amsterdam to the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur…

Hours later, a U.S. official said American intelligence agencies had confirmed that the plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. The official, who was not authorized to speak on the record about an early intelligence assessment, said government analysts were scrambling to determine who fired the missile.

“This is a contested area,” the official said. “It’s going to take time to get some information on the intentions of whoever was involved.”

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A Kremlin statement early Friday said Putin opened a meeting with his economic advisers by calling for a moment of silence over the crash.

Then, he said, “This tragedy would not have happened if there were peace on this land, if the military actions had not been renewed in southeast Ukraine. And, certainly, the state over whose territory this occurred bears responsibility for this awful tragedy.”

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Ukraine has already accused Russia of shooting down the Malaysia Airlines flight that crashed near the Russian border, raising questions about whether it can conduct an objective investigation into the disaster.

“The plane was shot down, because the Russian air defense systems was affording protection to Russian mercenaries and terrorists in this area,” the Ukranian Foreign Ministry said in a statement, according to ABC News. “Ukraine will present the evidence of Russian military involvement into the Boeing crash.”

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Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was allegedly shot down by a group of Russian-backed Cossack militants near the village of Chornukhine, Luhansk Oblast, some 80 kilometers north-west of Donetsk, according to recordings of intercepted phone calls between Russian military intelligence officers and members of terrorist groups, released by the country’s security agency (SBU)…

“It’s 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft,” Major is recorded as saying, as he admitted to seeing no weapons on site. “Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.”

In the third part of conversation Cossack commander Nikolay Kozitsin talking to an unidentified militant cynically suggests that the Malaysia Airlines airplane could’ve been carrying spies, as, otherwise, it would have no business flying in that area.

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There is one important reason Ukrainian authorities are so sure that pro-Russian rebels shot down a Malaysia Airlines jet: An account on the Russian social network Vkontakte, which relays official dispatches from insurgent military leader Igor Girkin, aka Strelkov, boasted about the rebels shooting down a plane at about the time of the crash

The Vkontakte account reported at 5:37 p.m. Moscow time (4:37 in Donetsk) that a large plane — identified as an Antonov An-26 transport plane, “has just been shot down near Snizhne,” a town close to where the Malaysia Airlines plane went down. This appears to be an edited version of a gloating post that is available only in screen shots now (I have one). In that initial version, the post went on: “We warned them not to fly in our skies. And here’s a video of another bird going down. The bird fell behind a coal heap, residential areas were not hit, peaceful people did not suffer.”

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Armed with Man-Portable Air Defense Systems (MANPADS), the separatists have been taking down Ukrainian military aircraft since the beginning of June. On June 13, separatists shot down a Ukrainian transport plane that had been carrying 40 paratroopers and nine crew members.

At least 10 other Ukrainian aircraft — all of them significantly lower-flying than a Boeing 777 — have been shot down since the rebels started using MANPADS according to a count kept by military aviation expert David Cenciotti, including five Mi-24 Hinds, two Mi-8 helicopters, one An-2, one An-30, and the Ukrainian transport plane.

Pro-Russian rebels claimed responsibility for shooting down two additional Ukrainian Su-25 fighters on Wednesday. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry reported that one of the jets was hit by a portable surface-to-air missile.

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Putin cannot be happy about this turn of events. After all, things were going more or less according to plan up to now. Yesterday’s reasonably robust round of U.S. sanctions was accompanied by a set of comparatively meek European ones consisting mostly of a moratorium on development aid. Putin was doing his best to portray himself as a responsible statesman, in contrast to the reckless Western interests that goaded Kiev into civil war. He even went so far as to say that his door was always open for further negotiations. With the fog of war descending over eastern Ukraine, it was starting to look like he would be able to keep the region on a low simmer while the world was distracted by hotter conflicts elsewhere.

As of right now, that looks less likely. While it’s always dangerous to underestimate the divisions in Europe, if any kind of definitive intelligence linking Russia to this tragedy emerges, it will be much harder for skeptical Europeans to remain straddling the fence.

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“The Ukrainian government reports that 23 Americans were aboard the plane, and that more than 300 people were killed in the crash.”

The Americans on the plane had no connection to Russia or Ukraine, and took no risks other than booking a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. Now they’re dead. It’s quite possible pro-Russian separatists killed our fellow citizens. What will the consequence be?

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This also seems to prove that Russia has lost control of the rebels, who have been complaining for some time of being abandoned by President Vladimir Putin. There is no way that, a day after criticizing the recklessness of American foreign policy, his military shoots down a passenger plane. Rather, it seems that the rebels made a mistake that paints Putin into a corner. Putin hates corners, and when he’s backed into one, he tends to lash out. He especially hates to do or say what is expected of him, and to give in to outside pressure. So though he has already expressed his condolences to the Malaysian government, don’t expect him to do anything swift or decisive. He will likely do something to punish the rebels after the spotlight moves on to the next global crisis.

My first reaction to this was that this is a game-changer, and it’s a game-changer in that it drags in the outside world, but it’s hard to see what the consequences of this could be. Even if and when the evidence is marshalled to point to the rebels, what can the West do to punish them? What can it do to punish Russia for giving them these capabilities? What can it do to end the conflict? More sanctions? Putin’s been blowing them off and they haven’t altered his calculus all that much. A peacekeeping mission? There is still no appetite for boots on the ground and Russia still has that U.N. veto. Even if the U.S. gives Ukraine lethal military aid, it in no way guarantees that Kiev’s military will be able to crush the separatists, especially not without some bloody, horrific urban warfare. The plane went down, raised the stakes, but what can the West—or Moscow—really do about it?

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Yup. Woodchucks are very much a nuisance…

OmahaConservative on July 17, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Have a lot of them?

wifarmboy on July 17, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Uhm. Axe, please wipe the peanut butter off the submit button. Some people are allergic.

Parmenides on July 17, 2014 at 11:51 PM

done.

my bad.

Axe on July 17, 2014 at 11:53 PM

WH’s @PressSec says Obama was held on Air Force One at Andrews “due to a suspicious package” at the White House

That’s no way to refer to the First Lady.

trigon on July 17, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Oy. If nothing else you have to admire the tenacity of the Russian supporters on the internets. Those poor chickens!

slickwillie2001 on July 17, 2014 at 11:43 PM

Many of them are paid on per-comment basis. I have a friend operating a computer center in St. Petersburg’s suburb loosely referred to as “troll nest”. English comments are paid better, by the way.

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 11:53 PM

With Obama, I could see your first premise being true and your second premise being false. He has narcissistic tendencies, and they absolutely hate being wrong about anything. They’ll go to great extremes to avoid having to own to being wrong, and shift it off to other people in every way they can find.

OTOH, they are totally self-absorbed. The world revolved around them. They have an incredibly limited worldview.

But I still think the fact that his goals and objectives are totally alien to what our Presidents of the past have been prone to pursue that this makes it seem like a lack of leadership from our perspective when leadership of a different kind exists.

lineholder on July 17, 2014 at 11:48 PM

To me, it’s obvious that he’s a mixed bag when it comes to leadership. =) He’s partly a coward, and partly an Alinskyistic anti-American who knows that full openness about his goals would damage his efforts.

non-nonpartisan on July 17, 2014 at 11:54 PM

I’ll keep it a secret. Just don’t kill any Texas chipmunks or Jewish sea otters. They might be part of Twerps extended family.

Parmenides on July 17, 2014 at 11:42 PM


What’s her position on the slaughtering of atheist frogs in the pool?

A mess of little ones had gotten in our pool two nights ago. I fished ‘em out and dropped them for my dog who freaking HATES frogs.

And before anyone faints at my heartless cruelty …

.. the dog is a quick death. The biggest one was in a skimmer and ducked under the skimmer basket to avoid capture … and instead ended up in the filtration basket just before the pump.

BIG mistake … HUGE.

PolAgnostic on July 17, 2014 at 11:54 PM

That’s no way to refer to the First Lady.

trigon on July 17, 2014 at 11:53 PM

LOL

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 11:54 PM

All five of them cared about nothing but increase of their personal power, and that of the government. Whether either of them truly loved this country, we will likely never know.

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 11:50 PM

……yeah – THAT’S why Clinton Let The Terrorists IN to This Country and PREVENTED the FBI and CIA from Talking To Each other about it (see “Gorelick“)

…..and Dubya KILLED The Terrorists…..

……you can Stop injecting Novocaine, now…….I think it’s taken effect…..

williamg on July 17, 2014 at 11:55 PM

Retweeted by Noah Rothman
Peter Baker ‏@peterbakernyt 35m

WH’s @PressSec says Obama was held on Air Force One at Andrews “due to a suspicious package” at the White House.

Bmore on July 17, 2014 at 11:51 PM

What, Reggie Love showed up again?

TXUS on July 17, 2014 at 11:55 PM

they want to torment us all a lot more before they start that part.

VorDaj on July 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Plus, note that slowly they eliminate the death penalty, even by judges run wild, so that by the time we find them guilty they get to live.

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2014 at 11:55 PM

Hey he wiped it off in a jiff. He is Axe.

Parmenides on July 17, 2014 at 11:55 PM

ALT once ran over a Chupacabra with her bicycle, and as she rode off, she said, “Welcome to Walmart, mother f******!”

Doc Holliday on July 17, 2014 at 11:55 PM

All five of them cared about nothing but increase of their personal power, and that of the government. Whether either of them truly loved this country, we will likely never know.
Rix on July 17, 2014 at 11:50 PM

And you’re anti-Abe Lincoln why again?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 17, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Have a lot of them?

wifarmboy on July 17, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Yep. Thank God the mulberries are done…

OmahaConservative on July 17, 2014 at 11:57 PM

Sometimes I’m Right – Sumlin

:)

Good evening, Paladin. :) Wonderful to see you, as always.

On this occasion, the Malaysian liner, wish I wasn’t, but I do agree with you, there’ll likely be a third.

thatsafactjack on July 17, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Evening J. – at least on this one no one will sue Boeing…well, I’m not even sure about that, but sanity dictates that they shouldn’t.

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2014 at 11:57 PM

PolAgnostic on July 17, 2014 at 11:54 PM

Hilarious.

Parmenides on July 17, 2014 at 11:57 PM

Many of them are paid on per-comment basis. I have a friend operating a computer center in St. Petersburg’s suburb loosely referred to as “troll nest”. English comments are paid better, by the way.

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Some people are very naive about how much of this is going on.

non-nonpartisan on July 17, 2014 at 11:57 PM

ALT once ran over a Chupacabra with her bicycle, and as she rode off, she said, “Welcome to Walmart, mother f******!”

Doc Holliday on July 17, 2014 at 11:55 PM

Heading off to bed laughing my a$$ off at that image.

Too funny, Doc.

hawkdriver on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

My dog tried to eat a toad once. She was foaming at the mouth.

crankyoldlady on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Soooooooooooo,….AIDS Experts were aboard eh:

Ukraine
39m
Colleagues: Team of AIDS experts, including former president of International AIDS Society, among victims of Ukrainian plane crash – @NBCNews
Read more on nbcnews.com

https://twitter.com/NBCNews

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Alinskyistic anti-American who knows that full openness about his goals would damage his efforts.

non-nonpartisan on July 17, 2014 at 11:54 PM

Oh, Yeah, definitely agree with that. It’s so ironic watching the left, because they won’t present what they are attempting to pursue honestly and openly…it’s always done behind the guise of some moral high road that they claim they are taking.

I’ve often thought that they were deceitful about it because the American people would reject it outright if the left was genuinely honest about what they wanted to achieve. Here lately, I’ve really doubted whether we have enough people who would know the difference.

lineholder on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Doc Holliday on July 17, 2014 at 11:55 PM

You people are killing me. Bwaaahh.

Parmenides on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Many of them are paid on per-comment basis. I have a friend operating a computer center in St. Petersburg’s suburb loosely referred to as “troll nest”. English comments are paid better, by the way.

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 11:53 PM

……so – what kind of fees do you collect for trolling?

williamg on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

And you’re anti-Abe Lincoln why again?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 17, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Have I lived then, I’d be marching with General Lee.

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

……so – what kind of fees do you collect for trolling?

williamg on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

I’m an amateur. :)

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 11:59 PM

bimmcorp on July 17, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Even though I don’t know what happened, nor is this an inquiry, I’d just like to add my regrets to you, bimmcorp, on your loss.

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2014 at 12:00 AM

I was just thinking about the first time I went to a matinee, as a date, with a boy. We sat there, holding hands, with a coke on our laps and a small tub of popcorn each. He’s bought it, but we couldn’t eat it, holding hands, yet we were reluctant to break that tenuous contact, that recognition of being there… together. So we sat there in the near darkness and flickering light of the projectors, almost breathless, looking at the screen, motionless, just feeling each others pulse through our finger tips, barely conscious of our shoes being stuck to the floor. It was… magical.

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:01 AM

hawkdriver on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Niters and sleep well, Hawk! Our best to Dear Mrs Hawk (NHRN)!

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 12:01 AM

It was cool to observe how the trolls had nothing to defend their featherlight oaf today.

How must it feel to be you.

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2014 at 12:02 AM

G’night Hawkdriver.

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Have I lived then, I’d be marching with General Lee.
Rix on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

So…you wouldn’t have been a draft dodger…OK.

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 12:02 AM

So…you wouldn’t have been a draft dodger…OK.

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 12:02 AM

I actually served in the IDF.

Rix on July 18, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2014 at 11:57 PM

No, they shouldn’t sue Boeing. This had nothing to do with the airliner’s functioning in anyway.

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Have I lived then, I’d be marching with General Lee.
Rix on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

What would be your line of reason for that choice?

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 12:04 AM

I actually served in the IDF.
Rix on July 18, 2014 at 12:03 AM

That’s nice.

Still not sure about the animosity toward Honest Abe, though.

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 12:04 AM

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing,…………………777

For you Numerology Peeps and PeepEttes:
—————————————

Occult Message in Speech by Christine Lagarde of IMF

Published on May 24, 2014
*************************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw

“7″ references:
1:22 – “Now I’m going to test your numerology skills by asking you to think about the magic seven”
1:34 – “Most of you will know that seven is quite a number
2:24 – “2014, you drop the zero, fourteen, two times, seven”
4:08 – “It will mark the 70th anniversary, 70th anniversary, drop the zero, seven, of the Bretton Woods Conference that actually gave birth to the IMF” (7 + 0 = 7)
4:22 – “And it will be the 25th anniversary of the fall of the berlin wall, 25th..” (2 + 5 = 7)
4:38 – “It will also mark the 7th anniversary of the financial market jietters”
5:08 – “After those seven miserable years, weak and fragile”
5:14 – “We have seven strong years”
5:43 – “Now I don’t know if the G7 will have anything to do with it” (G is also the 7th letter of the alphabet)

“2014″ references:
1:18 – “The global economy and what we should expect for 2014″
2:19 – “So if we think about 2014″
2:24 – “2014, you drop the zero, fourteen, two times, seven”
3:54 – “So 2014 will be a milestone and hopefully a magic year in may respects”
5:05 – “So my hope and my wish for 2014″
========================================

To watch the full video go to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUXTz

canopfor on July 18, 2014 at 12:05 AM

Oh, Yeah, definitely agree with that. It’s so ironic watching the left, because they won’t present what they are attempting to pursue honestly and openly…it’s always done behind the guise of some moral high road that they claim they are taking.

I’ve often thought that they were deceitful about it because the American people would reject it outright if the left was genuinely honest about what they wanted to achieve. Here lately, I’ve really doubted whether we have enough people who would know the difference.

lineholder on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Obama doesn’t tell us the full truth of what’s on his mind, but he tells enough to give a good idea without having to dig. In 2008 he said he wanted the price of energy to skyrocket. It didn’t seem to hurt him much politically. We are surrounded by idiots, moreso each year.

non-nonpartisan on July 18, 2014 at 12:05 AM

Yup. Woodchucks are very much a nuisance…

OmahaConservative on July 17, 2014 at 11:52 PM

I have heard that if you know where their burrows are and a square of a well known chocolate laxative just happens to fall into each burrow they will get the hell out of Dodge as quickly as possible.

No woodchucks or laxatives here, thankfully, so YMMV.

viking01 on July 18, 2014 at 12:05 AM

Some people are very naive about how much of this is going on.

non-nonpartisan on July 17, 2014 at 11:57 PM

.
Another site I participate on which is very different from here had an infestation of Chinese trolls who worked for one of their intelligence organizations.

The sport fishing approach was to spend time working their comments back around to put them at risk of looking as if they had said something against the State.

Eventually, they got to be enough of a nuisance some folks did some digging, sniffing and hacking … and then posted the street address of the building they worked in.

They pretty much gave up after that …

PolAgnostic on July 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Not that they won’t try anyway.

wifarmboy on July 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM

How Long Blues – Pinetop Perkins

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Thanks for cuing up the tune for me last night. I owe ya. ; )

Well, the ones of you getting out this weekend to show your support, be good and enjoy the good folks you will undoubtedly be surrounded by. Tomorrow, the first leg. The journey begins. ; )

Good Night All.

Bmore on July 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM

I was just thinking about the first time I went to a matinee, as a date, with a boy. We sat there, holding hands, with a coke on our laps and a small tub of popcorn each. He’s bought it, but we couldn’t eat it, holding hands, yet we were reluctant to break that tenuous contact, that recognition of being there… together. So we sat there in the near darkness and flickering light of the projectors, almost breathless, looking at the screen, motionless, just feeling each others pulse through our finger tips, barely conscious of our shoes being stuck to the floor. It was… magical.

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Well, now I’ve gone from lonely to pissed.

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Oh, also the ones heading out tomorrow. I’ll be sure to beep. ; )

Bmore on July 18, 2014 at 12:07 AM

wifarmboy on July 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Perhaps, but it’s difficult to try to blame a missile hitting the aircraft with structural or mechanical failure.

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Good Night All.
Bmore on July 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Niters and sleep well, Bmore!

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 12:08 AM

Still not sure about the animosity toward Honest Abe, though.

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 12:04 AM

Judging by Lincoln’s many comments, he was less about equality of black slaves and more about suppressing the independence of the Southern states and supplying cheap labor to the factories of the North. What’s there to like, exactly?

Rix on July 18, 2014 at 12:08 AM

magical.

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2014 at 12:08 AM

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Good evening, Axefellow. :)

Why? ‘Cause our feet were stuck to the floor?

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:08 AM

non-nonpartisan on July 18, 2014 at 12:05 AM

I’d have to agree with that evaluation. And the way the moral character of the individual across our society as a whole has decreased isn’t helping us much either. This is a time when moral fortitude to would be required…determination borne of conviction, solid as steel.

Not much of that character trait left across our society. It’s been replaced…with complacency, perhaps?

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Obama doesn’t tell us the full truth of what’s on his mind, but he tells enough to give a good idea without having to dig. In 2008 he said he wanted the price of energy to skyrocket. It didn’t seem to hurt him much politically. We are surrounded by idiots, moreso each year.

non-nonpartisan on July 18, 2014 at 12:05 AM

BUT…BuT…but…he’s BLACK! And therefor darn near perfect!

–typical LIV thinking,

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 12:11 AM

Good evening, Axefellow. :)

Why? ‘Cause our feet were stuck to the floor?

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:08 AM

‘Cause the story was beautiful :)

–and LOVE SUCKS

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 12:11 AM

Judging by Lincoln’s many comments, he was less about equality of black slaves and more about suppressing the independence of the Southern states and supplying cheap labor to the factories of the North. What’s there to like, exactly?
Rix on July 18, 2014 at 12:08 AM

So lemme get this straight–Abe Lincoln had many of the views of his day, but that’s not applicable in today’s age and *ahem!* enlightenment.

SC fires on Ft Sumter and that’s not supposed to be dealt with.

After committing aggression on Federal property, the aggressors were supposed to just break free and secede from the country.

Employers don’t like high overhead.

That’s it? That’s all you got?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 12:12 AM

Bmore on July 18, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Good night, Bmore. Safe travels!

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 12:12 AM

Another site I participate on which is very different from here had an infestation of Chinese trolls who worked for one of their intelligence organizations.

The sport fishing approach was to spend time working their comments back around to put them at risk of looking as if they had said something against the State.

Eventually, they got to be enough of a nuisance some folks did some digging, sniffing and hacking … and then posted the street address of the building they worked in.

They pretty much gave up after that …

PolAgnostic on July 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Interesting.

And I’ve seen some squealing here at HA when I’ve mentioned that the mods might want to look at the IP patterns of some known trolls. =)

non-nonpartisan on July 18, 2014 at 12:12 AM

No, they shouldn’t sue Boeing. This had nothing to do with the airliner’s functioning in anyway.

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:03 AM

.
A 777 going 600 mph is not even going to know what hit it when it’s an anti-aircraft missile traveling north of 2,600 mph.

The only mercy in this is those folks were dead almost instantaneously once the fuselage opened up.

PolAgnostic on July 18, 2014 at 12:12 AM

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:07 AM

True but considering some of the stupid crap that comes out of the courts anymore might as well try.

wifarmboy on July 18, 2014 at 12:12 AM

Yummy Yummy Yummy

Just kidding, this family is SAFE on my property. Thou shalt not trespass and shoot at my deer family else I shoot yew.

Twice if you’re an illegal.

Diluculo on July 18, 2014 at 12:13 AM

I was just thinking about the first time I went to a matinee, as a date, with a boy. We sat there, holding hands, with a coke on our laps and a small tub of popcorn each. He’s bought it, but we couldn’t eat it, holding hands, yet we were reluctant to break that tenuous contact, that recognition of being there… together. So we sat there in the near darkness and flickering light of the projectors, almost breathless, looking at the screen, motionless, just feeling each others pulse through our finger tips, barely conscious of our shoes being stuck to the floor. It was… magical.

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:01 AM

That’s called these days “sexual tension”, which I solved back then by carving a hole in the bottom of the popcorn tub and asking if we could share … ;-)

Seriously, your description of that date and all, brought back warm memories. How did everything since become so complicated?

TXUS on July 18, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Be safe Bmore and Miss Lamar.

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2014 at 12:13 AM

[sends out another round of Whatchudrinkin's...usual caveats apply...enters under "Thoughtful Discussion and Fellowship"...]

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 12:14 AM

and LOVE SUCKS

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 12:11 AM

You’re actually very blessed, you know, Axe. You have plenty of philia love from your friends here.

It may not fill the void of romance, but it’s just as precious in its own way ;-)

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 12:14 AM

We need to get Susan Rice on all of the Sunday shows so she can blame the crash on the pilot being distracted by an in-flight video.

PackerBronco on July 18, 2014 at 12:16 AM

TXUS on July 18, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Sexual Revolution of the 60s and 70s, and the 2nd wave feminist movement zealots.

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 12:16 AM

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 12:11 AM

Oh, thank you. :) It was just a reverie. :)

I’m sorry :(…

But love has a way of sneaking up on you when you least expect it. And you’re too wonderful to have wait for long. :)

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:16 AM

I’d have to agree with that evaluation. And the way the moral character of the individual across our society as a whole has decreased isn’t helping us much either. This is a time when moral fortitude to would be required…determination borne of conviction, solid as steel.

Not much of that character trait left across our society. It’s been replaced…with complacency, perhaps?

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Look at what’s happened to our public education system since Kennedy allowed for the unionization of teachers.

We aren’t educating people to think, we teach them to value their feelings above all else, facts be damned. No one should be surprised to see what’s become of us as a whole.

non-nonpartisan on July 18, 2014 at 12:17 AM

And I’ve seen some squealing here at HA when I’ve mentioned that the mods might want to look at the IP patterns of some known trolls. =)

non-nonpartisan on July 18, 2014 at 12:12 AM

I’d like to see a weekly or monthly contest where we get to vote our favorite troll ‘off the island’.

trigon on July 18, 2014 at 12:18 AM

But love has a way of sneaking up on you when you least expect it. And you’re too wonderful to have wait for long. :)

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:16 AM

I will never fall for that again. Ever.

Well, maybe in fantasy, but not in the real world.

Diluculo on July 18, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Have I lived then, I’d be marching with General Lee.
Rix on July 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Hmmmmm…interesting, and hard to decide…
The family of:
My maternal grandfather hailed from Long Island….
My maternal grandmother from deeply rural unincorporated Alabama…
My paternal grandfather, again, deep south Alabama
My paternal grandmother, also deep south Alabama

And on my maternal grandmothers side, we owned an enormous plantation complete with Gone with the Wind style house and cotton and slaves…an entire county is named for that family (not Holliday, which is not my real name)

Yeah, I would have probably worn Gray by default. I don’t think there was much “choice” involved.

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Red Rover Red Rover please send MG on over. She’s got popcorn

Parmenides on July 18, 2014 at 12:19 AM

–and LOVE SUCKS

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 12:11 AM

No, it doesn’t.

Schadenfreude on July 18, 2014 at 12:19 AM

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 12:16 AM

Truer words never spoken.

TXUS on July 18, 2014 at 12:19 AM

A 777 going 600 mph is not even going to know what hit it when it’s an anti-aircraft missile traveling north of 2,600 mph.

The only mercy in this is those folks were dead almost instantaneously once the fuselage opened up.

PolAgnostic on July 18, 2014 at 12:12 AM

With a 150-lb warhead.

Steve Eggleston on July 18, 2014 at 12:20 AM

And I’ve seen some squealing here at HA when I’ve mentioned that the mods might want to look at the IP patterns of some known trolls. =)

non-nonpartisan on July 18, 2014 at 12:12 AM

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I think it’s a safe bet they know who the paid trolls are … but under the Terms of Use there is nothing to prevent being paid to comment on here.

My view is most of what we perceive as a “double standard” is just a business decision to avoid bad PR from “commenters” who would have paid sponsorship for any trouble they could create in the media.

PolAgnostic on July 18, 2014 at 12:20 AM

That’s it? That’s all you got?

Newtie and the Beauty on July 18, 2014 at 12:12 AM

That’s enough, by my book. I believe that the federal government acted as an oppressor, not a liberator, during the period preceding the Civil War. Abolitionism might have been a good idea but the way it was rammed down people’s throat opened the door for future abuses of federal power. And glorification and canonization of Lincoln’s image by today’s public schools makes me doubly wary of him.

Rix on July 18, 2014 at 12:20 AM

TXUS on July 18, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Because too many people decided that innocence and being young weren’t ‘hip’ enough for them, and that young people should be rushed to adult behavior and adult information and adult attitudes…trying to teach sex education to kindergarteners, but, in the height of irony, maintaining they should be considered legally ‘children’ when it comes to taking up the mantle of adult responsibility to pay for their own heath care until their 26.

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:22 AM

non-nonpartisan on July 18, 2014 at 12:17 AM

Our education system has played a huge part in why we are where we are, as a nation. At the same time, I’d beat my personal bandwagon loud and clear proclaiming that the Sexual Revolution of the 60s and 70s has done far more harm than good.

I think about it a lot of times, particularly when it comes to the lives of females, and how much more my own gender could be contributing to this nation of ours if they hadn’t gotten sucked down into the lies of the left about sexual “freedoms and liberties” and focused on developing other character traits instead.

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Parmenides on July 18, 2014 at 12:19 AM

lol! Good evening, my friend. :)

I’d make fresh buttered popcorn just for you with extra butter, too. :)

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:23 AM

But love has a way of sneaking up on you when you least expect it.

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:16 AM

*pauses sorting email*

*looks around suspiciously, quietly places Beretta on kitchen table*

*goes back to sorting email*

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 12:25 AM

Diluculo on July 18, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Good evening, Dil. :)

I’m sure you mentioned being married. How is Mrs. Dil’s recovery coming along this evening?

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:25 AM

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 12:25 AM

I laugh, and so does Love. :)

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:26 AM

Rix on July 18, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Just curious, but what is your native country?

I’ve read a few books written by British authors, dated just after the time of the Civil War, making statements similar to what you’ve just stated.

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 12:26 AM

Given the HA servers seem to be dying (I have to go back to the front page and then back here to get things displayed right with new comments), it’s time to call it a night and save at least one of the hamsters.

Steve Eggleston on July 18, 2014 at 12:27 AM

A 777 going 600 mph is not even going to know what hit it when it’s an anti-aircraft missile traveling north of 2,600 mph.

The only mercy in this is those folks were dead almost instantaneously once the fuselage opened up.

PolAgnostic on July 18, 2014 at 12:12 AM

….right – Sooooo 600 mph…..you gotta ASK yourself HOW did this guy get this phone video – unless he KNEW What was about to happen and WHERE?

williamg on July 18, 2014 at 12:27 AM

Something is happening to the website–anyone else having problems?

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 12:27 AM

I’ve read a few books written by British authors, dated just after the time of the Civil War, making statements similar to what you’ve just stated.

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 12:26 AM

Would those be the same British that backed the South?

Steve Eggleston on July 18, 2014 at 12:27 AM

I was just thinking about the first time I went to a matinee, as a date, with a boy. We sat there, holding hands, with a coke on our laps and a small tub of popcorn each. He’s bought it, but we couldn’t eat it, holding hands, yet we were reluctant to break that tenuous contact, that recognition of being there… together. So we sat there in the near darkness and flickering light of the projectors, almost breathless, looking at the screen, motionless, just feeling each others pulse through our finger tips, barely conscious of our shoes being stuck to the floor. It was… magical.

thatsafactjack on July 18, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Nice story ma’am. I would have shown you a “popcorn surprise.” But I also would have known you were a keeper.

arnold ziffel on July 18, 2014 at 12:29 AM

–and LOVE SUCKS

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 12:11 AM

…….okay – but is the SEX any good?….

williamg on July 18, 2014 at 12:29 AM

What could go wrong? –San Francisco Presses Feds to End Ban on Gay Male Blood Donations

slickwillie2001 on July 18, 2014 at 12:30 AM

….right – Sooooo 600 mph…..you gotta ASK yourself HOW did this guy get this phone video– unless he KNEW What was about to happen and WHERE?

williamg on July 18, 2014 at 12:27 AM

It takes a bit longer for the falling airplane to hit the ground from 33,000 feet than it does for the sound of the explosion to reach the ground. Long enough to whip out the cell phone and figure out where to point it.

Steve Eggleston on July 18, 2014 at 12:31 AM

Something is happening to the website–anyone else having problems?

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 12:27 AM

Hamsters went on a temporary strike.

Steve Eggleston on July 18, 2014 at 12:32 AM

Just curious, but what is your native country?

I’ve read a few books written by British authors, dated just after the time of the Civil War, making statements similar to what you’ve just stated.

lineholder on July 18, 2014 at 12:26 AM

I have three citizenship – Russian, Israeli, and American (in chronological order of acquisition).

Now, as to Lincoln, many libertarians share my opinion: of all the Presidents, none caused as much damage to the principle of federalism as Abe Lincoln.

Rix on July 18, 2014 at 12:35 AM

Steve Eggleston on July 17, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Your panties sure are tight over someone merely suggesting it could be Ukraine, Russia, or Russian allied rebels who could be responsible for downing that plane.

We know nothing. Stop being a dick.

Spliff Menendez on July 18, 2014 at 12:36 AM

Something is happening to the website–anyone else having problems?

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 12:27 AM

Hamsters went on a temporary strike.

Steve Eggleston on July 18, 2014 at 12:32 AM

Well, we need to feed them some of COL’s cheese and tell them to get back to work!

Doc Holliday on July 18, 2014 at 12:37 AM

What could go wrong? –San Francisco Presses Feds to End Ban on Gay Male Blood Donations

slickwillie2001 on July 18, 2014 at 12:30 AM

Given that AIDS level, which were too high among young gay males ten-fifteen years ago to make blood collection economically viable, is almost par with the rest of society now, the original reason for the ban ceased to exist. If they want to contribute, why not?

Rix on July 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM

If you are viewing the site without the style-sheets in place — go to the bottom of the page, hit “mobile site” — and get your comment box back.

Not that it matters.

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 12:43 AM

Your panties sure are tight over someone merely suggesting it could be Ukraine, Russia, or Russian allied rebels who could be responsible for downing that plane.

We know nothing. Stop being a dick.

Spliff Menendez on July 18, 2014 at 12:36 AM

Three hours ago I would be in your camp but on their own web forums, rebels were patting each other on the shoulder and lifting virtual champagne for downing what they mistook for Ukrainian AN-26. Being blessed with ability to read Russian, I made up my mind regarding who the responsible party is.

Rix on July 18, 2014 at 12:43 AM

Nothing does. I’m going to die alone no matter what you people do.

Axe on July 18, 2014 at 12:44 AM

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