Luis Gutierrez: Obama told us he’ll be as bold as he can be on amnesty for adults, but these children will be deported

posted at 8:01 pm on July 17, 2014 by Allahpundit

He was part of O’s meeting yesterday with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. He’s also been known to say that his only loyalty is to the immigrant community. You trust a guy like that to take a firm line against admitting an especially sympathetic class of illegals, don’t you?

Actually, I guess the line isn’t so firm.

President Obama reassured members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Wednesday that he will flex his executive muscle later this year to be “as great and big and bold as he can be” to reduce deportations of undocumented immigrant families who have lived and worked in the United States for years, one Democratic lawmaker said at the conclusion of the meeting.

Meanwhile, members of the caucus are willing to give the administration expedited authority to deport a surge of unaccompanied children seeking asylum in the United States, as long as any statutory changes preserve judicial due process on a case-by-case basis, Gutierrez told RCP…

“We will not vote for a supplemental [spending bill] that undercuts existing law that protects the children,” he said of proposed changes to a statute aimed at curbing sex trafficking and adopted in 2008. The law offered asylum-seekers from countries not contiguous with the United States judicial reviews that can last longer than the scrutiny afforded border-crossers from Mexico and Canada. Last week, senior White House officials said Obama wanted discretion to expedite the review process and eliminate the different treatment pegged to countries of origin.

We do want the children to get expedited, and we gave [Obama] many suggestions within the confines of the law so that those children can get inside a courtroom,” Gutierrez said. “They’re going to be deported. The vast majority do not have an asylum case. We know that. Let’s just be clear,” he added.

He’s playing a game here, and you should know by now what that game is. The trick, aimed at low-information voters, is to confuse expedited deportation with expedited judicial process. In the first case, HHS puts an illegal immigrant child on a plane back home; in the second case, HHS brings an illegal immigrant child before an immigration judge, who sets a deportation hearing for him in a week or two and then lets him go. The kid then disappears into the U.S., never to be seen by federal authorities again. Later, at the hearing, the judge issues an order of deportation in absentia, but so what? The order is pointless if it can’t be executed. Gutierrez is happy to “expedite” the process by letting deportation orders issue more quickly so long as no one does anything to carry them out. That’s what he means by “they’re going to be deported.” Deportation orders will issue, but actual deportations happening? Nope. “Due process” in this case is simply code for no process.

But it’s a great talking point, no? Here’s Luis Gutierrez, famous amnesty shill, trumpeting to reporters that he’s all for sending the kids home so long as a million or two — or five — adults gets to stay, and knowing all the while that most of the kids won’t end up going home either. Obama’s pushing the same line, and they’re both counting on the public having a short attention span: As long as promises to send the kids home happen now, when voters are paying attention, whether the kids are actually sent home later when voters have lost interest won’t much matter. That’s a lesson Democrats (and lots of pro-amnesty Republicans) learned nearly 30 years ago from the 1986 amnesty. Promise a lot on security at a rare moment when the public cares and then you can forget about actually having to deliver later. Smart bet.


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Why does anyone believe anything this Putz says.

LeftCoastRight on July 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Yeah, I don’t believe him either but maybe it’s because adults can vote. Illegally of course.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2014 at 8:07 PM

That’s a lesson Democrats (and lots of pro-amnesty Republicans) learned nearly 30 years ago from the 1986 amnesty. Promise a lot on security at a rare moment when the public cares and then you can forget about actually having to deliver later. Smart bet.


Almost as smart as counting cards in Vegas!

Until they wise up to you …

… and they break you up a bit to teach you a lesson.

The African-American community is NOT happy with their lot or being told to “Sit down and shut up.”

what happens in November if those who do vote, split their vote and even more stay home than did in 2012?

Does the Democratic Party recover from getting “busted up a bit”?

PolAgnostic on July 17, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Long-Time Foes Rahm Emanuel, Luis Gutierrez Join Forces To Try To Capture Chicago’s Latino Vote

…Gutierrez, a vocal critic of the mayor, has said Emanuel played a key role in the Obama administration’s failure to move ahead on immigration reform.

Now, Gutierrez says Emanuel has, in effect, evolved on immigration and been beneficial to the city’s Latinos.

I wonder how Gutierrez would behave if all “immigrants” as he calls them were from Sweden, Canada and New Zealand.

Lourdes on July 17, 2014 at 8:09 PM

How ’bout you militarize and CLOSE the border WHILE you’re deporting the little tykes, hmmmm? $18 Trillion in debt, obviously you can handle doing two things at once or your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandkids wouldn’t be neck deep in debt right now.

Meople on July 17, 2014 at 8:10 PM

That’s a lesson Democrats (and lots of pro-amnesty Republicans) learned nearly 30 years ago from the 1986 amnesty. Promise a lot on security at a rare moment when the public cares and then you can forget about actually having to deliver later. Smart bet.

And Gutierrez, the Hispanic Caucus crowd, and Obama-Left will never, never agree to or implement security. Their objective isn’t to secure the USA but to continue to assist it’s downfall.

Lourdes on July 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Luis Gutierrez, (D) Mexico.

Too bad we can’t deport King Barack.

As for ‘militarizing’ the border, why not? HOW MANY army divisions do we have in the US right now, sitting on their asses “training”?

Or don’t you think we’re currently PAYING THEM?

GarandFan on July 17, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Take a look at each and every single country that produces most of those who are illegal aliens later in the USA: look at their conditions.

IF there was ever any desire, plan or goal to secure their own nations, they would not be in such bad shape as many/most of them are. The conditions these populations continue to claim they’re “escaping” are the conditions they have made and which have produced who they are.

If they can’t solve the problems in their own countries, it’s madness to bring them to the US with various false declarations of “improving conditions” and otherwise good-things. Central America, for example, is in bad condition because the people there have made it so. Same with Haiti, same with the Middle East, same with Mexico, same with…

Lourdes on July 17, 2014 at 8:16 PM

i guess the children get booted back because even a lib can’t cheat and make them vote illegally. the president is . . . how should I put it?. . .a disgusting and vile human being.

warmairfan on July 17, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Promise a lot on security at a rare moment when the public cares and then you can forget about actually having to deliver later. Smart bet.

Get real. The public cares zip about this.

kcewa on July 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Luis Gutierrez, (D) Mexico.

Too bad we can’t deport King Barack.

As for ‘militarizing’ the border, why not? HOW MANY army divisions do we have in the US right now, sitting on their asses “training”?

Or don’t you think we’re currently PAYING THEM?

GarandFan on July 17, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Yes, exactly what more clear, more important mission for the NATIONAL GUARD, than protecting our BORDER and our national sovereignty?

Meople on July 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM

In ’86, it was supposed to be a one-off, but the Demos played Reagan the way they did with spending cuts.

This time, with 30 years’ experience and a black public waking up, things may well be different.

formwiz on July 17, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Luis Gutierrez, (D) Mexico.

Too bad we can’t deport King Barack.

As for ‘militarizing’ the border, why not? HOW MANY army divisions do we have in the US right now, sitting on their asses “training”?

Or don’t you think we’re currently PAYING THEM?

GarandFan on July 17, 2014 at 8:13 PM

I agree.

I also wonder why those making illegal entry across our borders are not turned away before they run through our land. It’s not as if anyone’s paying attention…

I mean by that, why aren’t they being blocked from entering? It’s not like Obama/Left/people such as Gutierrez are down there lending a hand to “helping”. Why not just block foreign nationals from entering.

Lourdes on July 17, 2014 at 8:19 PM

He’s playing a game here

Yes, Boehner’s group doesn’t have a problem with it.

Kay Granger(R-TX): “So we’ve got to change that. Which means, changing not the process so much but adding the people that help with that process – more judges to hear those cases, there’s some – not adding permanent, but often time retired judges. There are different categories that can do that to make sure that that goes faster.”

Wigglesworth on July 17, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Rasmussen polls a majority of Americans supporting “sending them back” as to the illegals here — including minors.

And Rasmussen tends toward the more-Left attitude than conservative or moderate. Those polled by Rasmussen aren’t known to be on the Right.

Most Voters Want to Send Latest Illegal Immigrants Home ASAP

…The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 59% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the primary focus of any new immigration legislation passed by Congress should be to send the young illegal immigrants back home as quickly as possible. Just 27% say it should focus instead on making it easier for these illegal immigrants to remain in the United States. Fourteen percent (14%) are undecided…

Lourdes on July 17, 2014 at 8:22 PM

President Obama reassured members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Wednesday that he will flex his executive muscle later this year to be “as great and big and bold as he can be”

Watch out! He’s puttin on his Superman Panties.

/I’m afraid.

Key West Reader on July 17, 2014 at 8:23 PM

1. no one is allowed to view the border incursions, visit the ‘kids’ or verify the numbers

2. internal polling says they have to change their talking points before the election

3. no one will be able to verify who if any are returned

4. Neither the DEMs nor RINOs want anyone returned

LeftCoastRight is correct:

Why does anyone believe anything this Putz says.
LeftCoastRight on July 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Gutierrez is talking out his read end, and it is aimed at us

entagor on July 17, 2014 at 8:23 PM

As for ‘militarizing’ the border, why not? HOW MANY army divisions do we have in the US right now, sitting on their asses “training”?

Or don’t you think we’re currently PAYING THEM?

GarandFan on July 17, 2014 at 8:13 PM

The Posse Comitatus Act prevents using the military for law enforcement in the US. Except for the Coast Guard.

The National Guard could be used – but they are not trained for this.

kcewa on July 17, 2014 at 8:24 PM

He’s playing a game here

Yes, Boehner’s group doesn’t have a problem with it.

Kay Granger(R-TX): “So we’ve got to change that. Which means, changing not the process so much but adding the people that help with that process – more judges to hear those cases, there’s some – not adding permanent, but often time retired judges. There are different categories that can do that to make sure that that goes faster.”

Wigglesworth on July 17, 2014 at 8:19 PM

The Dems and RINO’s are enriching the plaintiff’s bar nationwide.

Why are these illegals being dropped into the Northeast and into Michigan?

Obama’s payin it forward to his buddies. Makes me sick.

Key West Reader on July 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM

We need a law drafted and passed immediately in congress to detain, process and deport within two weeks regardless of age or nation of origin.

With the mood shifting in this country, in this economy with American jobs going overseas and to cheap foreign labor here at home, the open borders/pro amnesty crowd might want to consider that they may just push hard enough to get American citizens to decide that not only must the law be enforced, it must be enforced equitably and consistently, and NOW.

They may actually see the DREAMER’s and their families deported, too, along with the Central Americans, whereas, had the open borders/pro amnesty crowd dealt in good faith, from the beginning, the DREAMER’s would likely have gotten a pass to remain.

After all, why is it, America, that Mexicans get preferential treatment after coming to this nation illegally, over Central Americans? Or the Chinese? Or the Indians? Or Africans? Why should Mexicans be a preferred class? Why are elected public servants, members of congress, suggesting that any class of illegal alien be granted preferred status by the federal government, and by extension, the nation? Aren’t these the same people who routinely and regularly decry discrimination in all it’s many forms?

If they are here illegally, treat them equally under the law. Send them all home. Do it now.

thatsafactjack on July 17, 2014 at 8:27 PM

In ’86, it was supposed to be a one-off, but the Demos played Reagan the way they did with spending cuts.

This time, with 30 years’ experience and a black public waking up, things may well be different.

formwiz on July 17, 2014 at 8:19 PM

One thing that we have to remember – the population that suffered the most from the 1986 amnesty was the Hispanic population THAT WAS ALREADY HERE LEGALLY. Hispanic unemployment went up substantially after that.

The people who will get hit the hardest from another mass amnesty are the legal Hispanics, the blacks, and pretty much anyone who is working class. Amnesty is the ultimate “plutocracy versus main street” issue.

SubmarineDoc on July 17, 2014 at 8:29 PM

How about we actually enforce the law and deport them all.
No, King Putt, that wasn’t a request.

HornetSting on July 17, 2014 at 8:31 PM

There is no fixing any of this at the Federal level. The States will have to tell the Feds to FO, and take care of the border themselves. When several States re-establish their authority, then the Feds will have to go along.

captnjoe on July 17, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Build the moat.

Fill it with “coyote” blood.

S. D. on July 17, 2014 at 8:36 PM

All lies all the time.

November!!!

Vote

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 17, 2014 at 8:40 PM

an especially sympathetic class of illegals

I have no sympathy for any of these illegals. And they deserve none.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 17, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Agreed. But can someone please tell me why the great Rick Perry hasn’t done this already?

CTSherman on July 17, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Rick “The Waffle” Perry changes by when the vote day nears and when the vote day is gone he is back in the back pocket of the U S Chamber of Commerce.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on July 17, 2014 at 8:47 PM

If he in fact does not deport the 10s(100s) of thousands of people currently taking advantage of the 2008 law and DACA and instead allows(helps) them fold into the general population … if Obama does not deport those steaming across the border soon and allows the border to remain open … can we please agree that Obama needs to be impeached at that point??????

Or are you ,expert republican strategists, willing to let this situation go on for 6 more months longer because somehow someway you think that it will make a martyr out of a widely disliked president. For all the pretenders here – the large majority(plurality) of the voters want to see these people deported.

At what point are you strategy experts going to actually look at the pols about on issue? Can we please agree that a lawsuit will not stop this president from continuing this crisis at the border? Can I get a # of months that you clever strategy experts are comfortable allowing this situation at the border to go on before you agree to an impeachment??

BoxHead1 on July 17, 2014 at 8:48 PM

I wonder how Gutierrez would behave if all “immigrants” as he calls them were from Sweden, Canada and New Zealand.

Lourdes on July 17, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Exactly. They are of course not of la raza (THE race).

TXUS on July 17, 2014 at 8:50 PM

you think that **impeachment** will make a martyr out of a widely disliked president.

F-one.of.the.several.errors-FM

BoxHead1 on July 17, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Hector Concepcion is the Republican candidate running against Democrat Luis Gutierrez in Illinois’ 4th Congressional District.

But sadly, electing Hector Concepcion would not do any good in the battle to help defend America from ILLEGAL Invaders.

Tuesday, April 29th, 2014 @ 1:12AM
•Republican candidate Hector Concepcion supports immigration reform and secure amnesty for 11 million immigrants in the United States. Real trucks coming!

http://www.concepcionforuscongress.com/news/republican-candidate-hector-concepcion-supports-immigration-reform/

What is wrong with the Republican Party in Illinois?

Couldn’t the Republican Party find a candidate who is actually in favor of enforcing our laws?

wren on July 17, 2014 at 8:55 PM

thatsafactjack on July 17, 2014 at 8:27 PM

We can pass all the laws in the world requiring immediate deportation and hire all the judges needed to order deportations accordingly, but guess who is ultimately in charge of executing those orders, thus causing the illegals to be physically put on a bus or plane or whatever it takes to get them out of here.

Yep, it’s none other than the Coyote in Chief.

The only way any new laws of this kind could ever work under this president is to give his executive authority over deportations to state officials, who would actually do it. And, sadly, that ain’t going to happen, as he’d have to agree to that.

TXUS on July 17, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Watch out! He’s puttin on his Superman Panties.

Key West Reader on July 17, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Over his momma jeans?

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 9:00 PM

What is wrong with the Republican Party in Illinois?

Couldn’t the Republican Party find a candidate who is actually in favor of enforcing our laws?

wren on July 17, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Many a black candidate proved to be black first and Republicans second, even the bestest of them like Allen West. Why are you acting surprised that someone called Hector Concepcion thinks himself Latino first and Republican second?

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 9:03 PM

The Posse Comitatus Act prevents using the military for law enforcement in the US.
kcewa on July 17, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Repelling foreign nationals from invading is not an act of law enforcement, and posse comitatus does not apply.

Dolce Far Niente on July 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Luis Gutierrez, (D) Mexico Puerto Rico .

Too bad we can’t deport King Barack.

As for ‘militarizing’ the border, why not? HOW MANY army divisions do we have in the US right now, sitting on their asses “training”?

Or don’t you think we’re currently PAYING THEM?

GarandFan on July 17, 2014 at 8:13 PM
Just a small correction

annoyinglittletwerp on July 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM

What is wrong with the Republican Party in Illinois?

Couldn’t the Republican Party find a candidate who is actually in favor of enforcing our laws?

wren on July 17, 2014 at 8:55 PM

What Republican party in Illinois?

crankyoldlady on July 17, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Sounds like “Go home now,” is akin to, “Clean your room.”

How likely is either?

IndieDogg on July 17, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Well, duh! The under-18 crowd can’t vote for the Rats.

Steve Eggleston on July 17, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Any member of congress who declares their loyalty is to those here illegally, needs to be removed from office as soon as possible. He is not representing those who sent him to Washington, and is, like Obama, in violation of his oath.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on July 17, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Why are you acting surprised that someone called Hector Concepcion thinks himself Latino first and Republican second?

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Hector is free to think of himself as whatever he wants.

But if a candidate is going to run for office as a Republican, I expect the Republican Party to vet the candidate to see if he/she supports basic Republican positions – like enforcing the law.

And if a candidate claims to be a Republican who does not support basic Republican positions, then the Republican Party should make sure there is a real Republican candidate ready and willing to run against the fake Republican.

wren on July 17, 2014 at 9:29 PM

wren on July 17, 2014 at 8:55 PM

What Republican party in Illinois?

crankyoldlady on July 17, 2014 at 9:10 PM

The one led by this man:

Tim Schneider
Chairman, Illinios Republican Party

http://www.weareillinois.org/about-our-chariman/

wren on July 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM

wren on July 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Like COL said, “What Republican Party in Illinois?”

Steve Eggleston on July 17, 2014 at 9:38 PM

Why bother paying taxes to this corrupt and incompetent federal government?

Starve the beast!

azpatriotsdotcom on July 17, 2014 at 9:41 PM

TXUS on July 17, 2014 at 8:58 PM

He wouldn’t have ‘prosecutorial discretion’ to use as an excuse to delay or ignore the order to enforce the law.

His refusal or even his attempts to slow walk the law would result in the showdown that would produce that impeachment everyone is discussing.

The change in the law I’m suggesting would have to clearly mandate the president to order the immediate processing and deportation. Failure would then be grounds for that impeachment and removal, since Obama would clearly be guilty of obstruction of justice, and Boehner, unlike Gingrich, wouldn’t even lose the Speakership over it.

thatsafactjack on July 17, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Animal House…you effffed up, you trusted us.

jaywemm on July 17, 2014 at 10:07 PM

Heads up: More ILLEGAL Invaders heading to Maryland

Catholic Charities wants to care for about 50 children from Central America at a campus in Baltimore County, seeking a role in the immigration crisis even though the consideration of other sites in Maryland has met with fierce local opposition.

The organization plans to apply to federal officials to house the children at St. Vincent’s Villa, a residential facility on Dulaney Valley Road, Catholic Charities head William J. McCarthy Jr. confirmed Thursday night.

McCarthy said housing the children would amount to his organization doing its job.

The Catholic Charities proposal would be on a much smaller scale than government proposals that would have placed hundreds of minors in an unused Social Security office in Baltimore or at the army center in Carroll County. State and city officials have said they continue to work with federal agencies to look for a spot in Maryland that could accommodate several hundred children or more.

Instead, he wants to place 50 or so children at the Timonium site, which had long been used to provide residential care for special-needs children.



The deadline for submitting a plan is Aug. 5
, McCarthy said. He did not know when the first children could arrive if Catholic Charities is chosen but said the buildings could be quickly readied because they had previously been home to children.

McCarthy also said Catholic Charities has for the last six months been providing some services, including offering legal advice, at its Esperanza Center in Fells Point to about 50 unaccompanied children who have somewhere to live.

And the Board of Child Care of the United Methodist Church has already received grant money to house immigrant children at a home in Woodlawn. The organization is caring for about two dozen children there.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/lutherville/bs-md-co-immigrant-children-20140717,0,5935535.story

wren on July 17, 2014 at 10:09 PM

And if a candidate claims to be a Republican who does not support basic Republican positions, then the Republican Party should make sure there is a real Republican candidate ready and willing to run against the fake Republican.

wren on July 17, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Then you have about 230 people in DC alone to primary. :(

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Tim Schneider
Chairman, Illinios Republican Party

http://www.weareillinois.org/about-our-chariman/
wren on July 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Heh.

They misspelled “chairman” in the URL.

….About sums it up.

Hawkins1701 on July 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM

PS- If he even thought about vetoing that law, impeach him. Let the rising rage of the citizens of this nation stiffen the spines of the congress. If they fear being removed from office suddenly and permanently, as my friend Schadenfreude says “CANTORIZED”,the congress would move swiftly for impeachment for refusing to sign the bill to end this ‘humanitarian crisis’ and existential threat to national security and national sovereignty.

thatsafactjack on July 17, 2014 at 10:20 PM

How about a tent-city on the White House lawn?
They could probably house thousands of illegals there.
Sure, it will stink when they crap in the bushes, and they will probable dig up Michelle’s garden, but… c’mon pony up!

shorebird on July 17, 2014 at 10:26 PM

I’ve been thinking about it, and I think that those poor ‘border children’ might enjoy a vacation… say… with the president in Martha’s Vineyard.

I’m pretty sure they’d also benefit from going to school with Sasha and Malia at the Sidwell Friends school, and I’m pretty sure that quite a few cots could be set up in the rotunda of the congress, and there must be many unused rooms in the White House where these children could be housed, there must be plenty of places along the DC beltway where they could be housed, rather than scattered across the nation.

I’m even pretty certain these children would also enjoy a vacation in Hawaii. They could stay with Oprah. She has plenty of empty rooms in her mansion there and I’m sure the good people of Maui wouldn’t mind putting them up.

It would be good for those kids to see how the real 1% lives, the erudite and urbane class, instead of rubbing elbows with us rubes.

thatsafactjack on July 17, 2014 at 10:44 PM

Give the adults a pass while getting rid of the youngsters. Hmmm.. I call it “immigration abortion style”. Kinda fits BOs general outlook on things.

lonestarleeroy on July 17, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Any money coming from the House needs to be targeted to IMMEDIATE deportations and additional border security. That should just be the bottom line. The GOP needs to remember that coughing up 4 billion bucks on border jumpers is bad optics when so many of our own citizens are increasingly impoverished.

Murf76 on July 18, 2014 at 12:11 AM

Of course . . . the children aren’t of voting age. Disgusting!

rplat on July 18, 2014 at 8:23 AM

Wouldn’t that be a kick in the head if Obama says “deport the children” and the RINOS say “give them amnesty”.

Before we sit up and pay attention, however, we should remember that Gutierrez falls into the “usually unreliable source” category and that, if Obama did say it, it’s most likely mere rhetoric.

MaiDee on July 18, 2014 at 3:38 PM