CBS Analyst: ‘Almost inconceivable’ an ‘external force’ not responsible for Malaysian plane crash in Ukraine

posted at 12:41 pm on July 17, 2014 by Noah Rothman

On Thursday, a Malaysian Boeing 777 passenger airliner carrying 295 crashed over Eastern Ukraine, where fighting between pro-Russian separatists and Ukrainian forces has raged for months. Early reports indicate that there were no survivors.

The crash comes at a time of heightened tensions, with escalating violence and threats between forces loyal to Moscow and Kiev growing increasingly heated.

In reaction to this event, CBS News national security analyst Bob Orr reported that it was highly unlikely that an aircraft traveling at cruising altitude – approximately 33,000 feet — could have suffered a mechanical failure. He added that it was more likely that this aircraft’s crash was not attributable to a mechanical incident.

“It’s extremely rare for an aircraft to come down at altitude,” Orr reported. “And when one does come down, it is usually the result of an external force, like a bomb or a missile.”

“It’s almost inconceivable to come up with a mechanical scenario that would fit the facts of an aircraft crashing from that safe phase of flight,” the analyst added.

CBS State Department reporter Margaret Brennan reported that U.S. officials are looking into the crash, but cannot determine whether claims that the plane was shot down are accurate at this time.

The Ukrainian Interior Ministry claimed that Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 was shot down. That has not yet been confirmed, but, if the aircraft began to break up in the air in a pattern consistent with having been impacted by a missile, experts indicate that the crash debris field would stretch for several miles.

There are other scenarios which may have resulted in the plane’s crash. NBC News reported on Thursday afternoon that the flight departed from normal procedure when it went into “radio silence” shortly after liftoff, which could indicate that there was an “event on board” the plane inconsistent with a missile attack.

Ukrainian reports indicate that a missile capable of taking down a plane at that altitude would have been impossible from a shoulder-fire weapon. A more sophisticated system would have to be used in that case.

While unconfirmed, this would not be the first aircraft hit by anti-air ordinance over Ukraine in recent days. On Tuesday, Interfax Ukraine reported that a Ukrainian Air Force Su-25 attack aircraft was forced to make an emergency landing after being hit by a surface-to-air missile. According to a TASS report, pro-Russian separatists also claimed responsibility for shooting down a Ukrainian AN-26 on July 14.

On Wednesday, the U.S. and its European allies imposed new sanctions on Russia after months of escalating tensions in the region. The move came as videos surfaced online featuring a missile barrage reportedly launched from Russia directed at Ukrainian positions.

UPDATE: America’s former ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, reports an ominous development:

CBS also reports that the debris field is several miles long, consistent with the breakup of an airliner in mid-flight.

UPDATE 1:04 p.. ET: Pro-Russian separatists are reportedly attempting to relocate MH17′s debris and flight recorders to Russia.

UPDATE: 1:26 p.m. ET: An advisor close to the Ukrainian Interior Ministry reports that 23 Americans are among those who likely died in the crash of MH17.


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And so it begins…

Patriot Vet on July 17, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Time to reset the reset button.

hillsoftx on July 17, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Russian GRU officer Strelkov admitting that he ordered the missile strike against the Malaysian jet.

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2014 at 12:45 PM

There is a chance (small mind you, but a chance) this will calm things down. If Russia is to blame they may have to step back or face a pretty strong negative propaganda barrage. Whether Rooty Puti cares or not is another matter.

And of course, assuming this was separatists and not:
A: Ukraine
B: terrorists

WitchDoctor on July 17, 2014 at 12:45 PM

That has to be the most careful sentence CBS has ever uttered.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Barry seen this in the news yet or is he on the golf course?

How long before Boeing is sued?

Dingbat63 on July 17, 2014 at 12:46 PM

“But… but… I pressed the reset button! Really, I did.”

MikeHu on July 17, 2014 at 12:47 PM

“It’s extremely rare for an aircraft to come down at altitude,” Orr reported.

Rarer than it is to just lose one in flight?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 17, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Dingbat63 on July 17, 2014 at 12:46 PM

The Bear has been informed that the other Bear has f*cked up.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2014 at 12:48 PM

UPDATE: America’s former ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, reports an ominous development:

Russian GRU officer Strelkov admitting that he ordered the missile strike against the Malaysian jet.

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2014 at 12:49 PM

RIP Johnny Winter

John the Libertarian on July 17, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Russian GRU officer Strelkov admitting that he ordered the missile strike against the Malaysian jet.

— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) July 17, 2014

Holy crap.

changer1701 on July 17, 2014 at 12:49 PM

CBS Analyst: ‘Almost inconceivable’ an ‘external force’ not responsible for Malaysian plane crash in Ukraine

…who cares what CBS says!…the ‘experts’ at CNN is what I’m waiting for!…they’ll keep me ‘informed’ 2 months after everything has already been determined!/

JugEarsButtHurt on July 17, 2014 at 12:51 PM

The Bear has been informed that the other Bear has f*cked up.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Obama thinks a Russian Bear is a good mascot for him.

faraway on July 17, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Holy crap.

changer1701 on July 17, 2014 at 12:49 PM

I checked a Russian-language blog authored by one of the separatists. Either it is true, or a VERY sophisticated blameshifting act by the Ukrainian government. Odds are heavily in favor of the former.

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 12:53 PM

The good news, Malaysia knows where this plane is.

The bad news, WWIII is really going to suck.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Not to worry.

We are in an era of “Global Tranquility”

TomAnon on July 17, 2014 at 12:56 PM

And BTW- What the hell was a commercial airliner doing over that part of the world? Especially after Tuesday’s incident.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2014 at 12:57 PM

And BTW- What the hell was a commercial airliner doing over that part of the world? Especially after Tuesday’s incident.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Saving gas money. It’s Malaysians.

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 12:57 PM

The Circus Bear has been informed that the other Bear has f*cked up.

Cindy Munford on July 17, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Slight correction.

Bitter Clinger on July 17, 2014 at 12:58 PM

And of course, assuming this was separatists and not:
A: Ukraine
B: terrorists

C. The Tea Party /moonbat

NoFanofLibs on July 17, 2014 at 12:59 PM

What? You mean this wasn’t the work of Godzilla??

Oh sorry, this isn’t CNN.

ToddPA on July 17, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Obama to request $500 billion from Congress to get to the bottom of this.

faraway on July 17, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Live feed from Russia.

WARNING. Gruesome footage.

http://lifenews.ru/watch-live

wyntre on July 17, 2014 at 1:01 PM

“The bear is on the loose” — Valerie Jarrett, about obama

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM

This incident happened hours ago. What difference, at this point, does it make?

dddave on July 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM

RIP Johnny Winter

John the Libertarian on July 17, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Found dead in his hotel room in Switzerland.

Got a chance to see him live just a few years ago. Man, could that dude play.

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2014 at 1:03 PM

In reaction to this event, CBS News national security analyst Bob Orr reported that it was highly unlikely that an aircraft traveling at cruising altitude – approximately 33,000 feet — could have suffered a mechanical failure.

Very true…and there would’ve/should’ve been communication between the aircraft and a control tower, looking for a resolution and/or a safe place to land.

He added that it was more likely that this aircraft’s crash was not attributable to a mechanical incident.

Especially if there is no evidence of the above communication.

“It’s extremely rare for an aircraft to come down at altitude,” Orr reported. “And when one does come down, it is usually the result of an external force, like a bomb or a missile.”

Duh.

Oh, and Noah? I’m very disappointed over something you didn’t do yesterday…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 17, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Somebody explain to me why the filthy rat-eared bastard is flying out to events in New York and New Jersey when there is a full-blown international crisis looming. You might think he should pay attention to that instead of a partisan stump speech about how mean the Republicans in Congress are.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2014 at 1:05 PM

https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/489817693349244928

ConservativePartyNow on July 17, 2014 at 1:05 PM

I really thought that Ukraine would be responsible for this. This smacked of a botched attempt at revenge for their warplane shot down earlier.

But if Russia did indeed do this, it may (long term) be a good thing. It may be the first real tragedy that spurs the indolent West to push back on Putin and keep its broken promise to defend Ukraine.

Rusty Nail on July 17, 2014 at 1:06 PM

https://twitter.com/NATOSource

Retweeted by NATOSource
Jack Stubbs @jc_stubbs · 26m

German airline Lufthansa says it has decided to avoid Ukrainian airspace, with immediate effect – @Reuters

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Russian GRU officer Strelkov admitting that he ordered the missile strike against the Malaysian jet.

GRU?

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130731041045/despicableme/images/thumb/b/b9/GRU.png/500px-GRU.png

Doughboy on July 17, 2014 at 1:08 PM

https://twitter.com/NATOSource

Strobe Talbott @strobetalbott · 34m

Donetsk separatist boss Strelkov, Kremlin’s proxy in war, says he ordered shootdown thinking plane was Ukrainian

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Russian GRU officer Strelkov admitting that he ordered the missile strike against the Malaysian jet.

Any further info yet on this tweet?

Limerick on July 17, 2014 at 1:09 PM

“The bear is on the loose” — Valerie Jarrett, about obama
Schadenfreude on July 17, 2014 at 1:02 PM

I’ve seen more threatening teddy bears…VJ should really drop this li’l fiction she’s been pushing. About the only thing “bear” about zero is his incompetence and then there’s that whole “it’s the Republicans’ fault” thing he’s had going on…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 17, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Back in the USSR…

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:11 PM

I hope the Malaysians go after Strelkov and anyone else responsible, and hang them.

Death penalty in Malaysia

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 1:11 PM

https://twitter.com/Ukroblogger

Myroslava Petsa @myroslavapetsa · 1h

#Russia’s state news agency RIA bragging about “rebels shooting down a cargo plane” – pic via @euromaidan

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Oh, and Noah? I’m very disappointed over something you didn’t do yesterday…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 17, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Get used to the disappointment.

Bitter Clinger on July 17, 2014 at 1:13 PM

I’ve seen more threatening teddy bears…VJ should really drop this li’l fiction she’s been pushing. About the only thing “bear” about zero is his incompetence and then there’s that whole “it’s the Republicans’ fault” thing he’s had going on…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 17, 2014 at 1:11 PM

The Berenstain Bears could kick his weenie a$$.

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 1:13 PM

https://twitter.com/Ukroblogger

Retweeted by Ukrainian Updates
Ian Bateson @ianbateson · 29m

Adviser to Ukraine interior min says plane flying at 10,000 mtrs & Buk launcher fires missiles up to 22,000 mtrs https://www.facebook.com/anton.gerashchenko.7

lennutrajektoor @lennutrajektoor · 30m

This is the actual SAM launch moment on July 17. #Ukraine

https://twitter.com/lennutrajektoor/status/489811716302471168/photo/1

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:13 PM

I really thought that Ukraine would be responsible for this. This smacked of a botched attempt at revenge for their warplane shot down earlier.

But if Russia did indeed do this, it may (long term) be a good thing. It may be the first real tragedy that spurs the indolent West to push back on Putin and keep its broken promise to defend Ukraine.

Rusty Nail on July 17, 2014 at 1:06 PM

The West is led by a guy who is more effeminate than his large-armed “wife” who probably wears panties that never wakes earlier than 10AM.

Nothing will happen even if Putin openly claims responsibility. I mean, what did we do to “punish” Russia for seizing the SOVEREIGN TERRITORY of a neighbor? That’s right, “Tough Sanctions” like confiscating the frequent flyer miles of some minor undersecretary of wheat harvest planning or something…

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Pro-Russian separatists are reportedly attempting to relocate MH17′s debris and flight recorders to Russia.

Good thing they don’t work for our government. Those flight recorders would be “recycled” immediately.

Doughboy on July 17, 2014 at 1:15 PM

German airline Lufthansa says it has decided to avoid Ukrainian airspace, with immediate effect – @Reuters

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:07 PM

I really sorta think that decision was made for them. No way is any insurance company going to back commercial air losses in that region- not right now anyway.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2014 at 1:15 PM

The Berenstain Bears could kick his weenie a$$.

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Yogi and Boo-Boo would frighten him to death.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:15 PM

** Graphic **:

Balkanist Magazine @Balkanist · 47m

Terrible scenes from #MH17 crash site in #Ukraine via @lifenews_ru

https://twitter.com/Balkanist/status/489807631532707840/photo/1

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:16 PM

http://www.breakingnews.com/

Reports of Malaysian plane crash in Ukraine, July 17, 2014
11m

Editor’s note: Reuters is reporting that they have a correspondent on the scene of the reported Malaysia Airlines crash in eastern Ukraine. The reporter says smouldering wreckage and bodies are scattered across area. – Stephanie

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:17 PM

https://twitter.com/Ukroblogger

Myroslava Petsa @myroslavapetsa · 1h

#Russia’s state news agency RIA bragging about “rebels shooting down a cargo plane” – pic via @euromaidan

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Holy sh!t. Pictures of bodies on the ground, and a missile trail. Maybe they thought it was another An-26, like the one they shot down on Monday.

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 1:17 PM

Remember.
The anniversary of the start of The Great War started 100 years last month with the assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand and his wife.

What will the assassination of an entire plane full of innocent people will do?

kurtzz3 on July 17, 2014 at 1:17 PM

German airline Lufthansa says it has decided to avoid Ukrainian airspace, with immediate effect – @Reuters

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Smart move

gophergirl on July 17, 2014 at 1:19 PM

https://twitter.com/AP

The Associated Press @AP · 50m

AP VIDEO: A map of the area where a Malaysian passenger plane was reportedly shot down: http://apne.ws/Wk8GUF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mGOkoXfers&feature=youtu.be

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Somebody explain to me why the filthy rat-eared bastard is flying out to events in New York and New Jersey when there is a full-blown international crisis looming. You might think he should pay attention to that instead of a partisan stump speech about how mean the Republicans in Congress are.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2014 at 1:05 PM

He doesn’t care. It’s not about him.

At least that’s the way he behaves in everything else he does.

tru2tx on July 17, 2014 at 1:19 PM

I’ve seen more threatening teddy bears…VJ should really drop this li’l fiction she’s been pushing. About the only thing “bear” about zero is his incompetence and then there’s that whole “it’s the Republicans’ fault” thing he’s had going on…

Newtie and the Beauty on July 17, 2014 at 1:11 PM

The Berenstain Bears could kick his weenie a$$.

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 1:13 PM

And Paddington Bear is next in line….how dare Obama return the bust of Churchill, give the PM a DVD collection that can’t be played in the UK, and the Queen an iPod full of photos and speeches from Obama.

Athos on July 17, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Why did I click on the link to the pictures?

gophergirl on July 17, 2014 at 1:20 PM

This is that Malaysian flight with all the defense contractors on it. They flew it into a warzone to get rid of the passengers they weren’t looking for.

ezspirit on July 17, 2014 at 1:20 PM

I’m surprised some Dem Congresscritter hasn’t rushed to the podium to blame the Tea Party, the blatant use of assault missiles, or a handful of rogue agents.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2014 at 1:20 PM

NATOSource @NATOSource · 55m

Malaysian Airlines flight #MH17 reported to have been shot down by BUK-M1 [aka SA-11] surface-to-air missile system

https://twitter.com/NATOSource/status/489804662816903168/photo/1

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:21 PM

And Paddington Bear is next in line….how dare Obama return the bust of Churchill, give the PM a DVD collection that can’t be played in the UK, and the Queen an iPod full of photos and speeches from Obama.

Athos on July 17, 2014 at 1:19 PM

And the Care Bears, for stealing the word “care” for Obamacare.

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 1:22 PM

What will the assassination of an entire plane full of innocent people will do?

kurtzz3 on July 17, 2014 at 1:17 PM

In this day and age a STRONGLY WORDED LETTER is about the worst that might happen.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:23 PM

How stupid are these talking heads on all the newscasts? They marvel that a Russian SAM could be accurate to 33,000 ft. Don’t they know that Frances Gary Powers was shot down at over 70,000 ft in 1960 in a U2 spy plane which is a much smaller target.

meci on July 17, 2014 at 1:23 PM

BUK-M1 [aka SA-11] surface-to-air missile system:

NIIP 9K37/9K37M1/9K317 Buk M1/M2

Self Propelled Air Defence System / SA-11/17 Gadfly/Grizzly
НИИП Cамоходный Зенитный Ракетный Комплекс
9К37/9К37М1/9К317 Бук М1/М2

Technical Report APA-TR-2009-0706
*********************************

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-9K37-Buk.html

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:23 PM

And the Care Bears, for stealing the word “care” for Obamacare.

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 1:22 PM

By the time Obama leaves, the carebear stare will be the only weapon the military has.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Smart move

gophergirl on July 17, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Watch for the ICAO to advise all carriers to avoid Ukrainian airspace. If were up to me, all foreign carriers would boycott Russian airports.

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Russian GRU officer Strelkov admitting that he ordered the missile strike against the Malaysian jet.

Any further info yet on this tweet?

Limerick on July 17, 2014 at 1:09 PM

The separatists were bragging on their blog forum (yes, I can read Russian) about the “second successful shooting” (after SU-25), assuming it was AN-26, a standard workhorse of the Ukrainian airline. I was kinda ambivalent on the entire conflict but I do hope there will be a special place in Hell (that won’t remain vacant for long) for people who intentially shoot down civilian airplanes.

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Why did I click on the link to the pictures?

gophergirl on July 17, 2014 at 1:20 PM

GG: Hey GG,..I had *Graphic*,….what an escalation,..unreal:)

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:25 PM

And Paddington Bear is next in line….how dare Obama return the bust of Churchill, give the PM a DVD collection that can’t be played in the UK, and the Queen an iPod full of photos and speeches from Obama.
Athos on July 17, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Can I get an “A-MEN!” for Teddy Ruxpin!

Newtie and the Beauty on July 17, 2014 at 1:25 PM

“It’s almost inconceivable to come up with a mechanical scenario that would fit the facts of an aircraft crashing from that safe phase of flight,” the analyst added.

It’s not “almost inconceivable”. It would take some major neglect or a defective part, but this is Malaysia Airlines we’re talking about.

GWB on July 17, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Can I get an “A-MEN!” for Teddy Ruxpin!

Newtie and the Beauty on July 17, 2014 at 1:25 PM

It was fun to put a rock tape into a Teddy Ruxpin, like AC/DC’s “Back in Black” album or ZZ Top “Eliminator” and watch him try to sing it :)

My sisters hated it when I did that.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Watch for the ICAO to advise all carriers to avoid Ukrainian airspace. If were up to me, all foreign carriers would boycott Russian airports.

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Right now I’d have reservations on leaving the US at all. Things are just way too unsettled.

gophergirl on July 17, 2014 at 1:31 PM

It was fun to put a rock tape into a Teddy Ruxpin, like AC/DC’s “Back in Black” album or ZZ Top “Eliminator” and watch him try to sing it :)

My sisters hated it when I did that.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM

LOL!

gophergirl on July 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM

GRU?

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130731041045/despicableme/images/thumb/b/b9/GRU.png/500px-GRU.png

Doughboy on July 17, 2014 at 1:08 PM

As I understand it, the GRU was the military version of the KGB. They specialized in keeping files on foreign military personnel.

Old Country Boy on July 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM

The good news, Malaysia knows where this plane is.

The bad news, WWIII is really going to suck.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2014 at 12:54 PM

I’m waiting for a statement from the Malaysian government.

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Right now I’d have reservations on leaving the US at all. Things are just way too unsettled.

gophergirl on July 17, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Our southern border is wide open right now letting disease ridden invaders from any country in the world into the United States, and the government is bussing them to practically every area.

Things aren’t exactly settled HERE right now.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Well,….Hopey is eating well:

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 1m

“I’m starving,” said Pres Obama as he sat down to lunch with letter writer Tanei Benjamin. He order a cheeseburger and fries. (Medium well)

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:34 PM

The separatists were bragging on their blog forum (yes, I can read Russian) about the “second successful shooting” (after SU-25), assuming it was AN-26, a standard workhorse of the Ukrainian airline.

Rix on July 17, 2014 at 1:24 PM

But rebels always claim credit whenever a Ukrainian military plane goes down, even if it actually crashed due to mechanical failure. So all that proves is that they knew a plane had gone down and thought it was a Ukrainian military plane.

Jon0815 on July 17, 2014 at 1:37 PM

How stupid are these talking heads on all the newscasts? They marvel that a Russian SAM could be accurate to 33,000 ft. Don’t they know that Frances Gary Powers was shot down at over 70,000 ft in 1960 in a U2 spy plane which is a much smaller target.

meci on July 17, 2014 at 1:23 PM

The talking heads are idiots. When the Space Shuttle was overdue in landing in Florida, the talking heads made it sound as if the Shuttle must have waved off landing and was going around for another try. It was at least 15 minutes before they reported it had blown up over Texas,

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2014 at 1:38 PM

“I’m starving,” said Pres Obama

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Schad says 23 Americans died. Obama is scum.

faraway on July 17, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Sorry in advance for being pedantic but…..

anti-air ordinance

ordnance, ordnance, Ordnance, ORDNANCE, ORDNANCE.

weapons and ammunition, not laws and regulations.

This is one of the handful of grammatical errors that drives me nuts – a very short drive indeed.

deadman on July 17, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Well,….Hopey is eating well:

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 1m

“I’m starving,” said Pres Obama as he sat down to lunch with letter writer Tanei Benjamin. He order a cheeseburger and fries. (Medium well)

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Every time I go to Five Guys for lunch I can just feel Moochelle scowling at me.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:44 PM

This is one of the handful of grammatical errors that drives me nuts – a very short drive indeed.

deadman on July 17, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Someday they’ll erect a statute in your honor for your efforts at policing grammar. ;0

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Every time I go to Five Guys for lunch I can just feel Moochelle scowling at me.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:44 PM

That’s half the fun.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2014 at 1:46 PM

As I understand it, the GRU was the military version of the KGB. They specialized in keeping files on foreign military personnel.

Old Country Boy on July 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM

I know. I was being facetious. Besides, everyone knows that that Gru is no longer a villain.

Doughboy on July 17, 2014 at 1:46 PM

It was fun to put a rock tape into a Teddy Ruxpin, like AC/DC’s “Back in Black” album or ZZ Top “Eliminator” and watch him try to sing it :)
My sisters hated it when I did that.
ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Do they still talk to their slightly Twisted Brother? :P

Newtie and the Beauty on July 17, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Do they still talk to their slightly Twisted Brother? :P

Newtie and the Beauty on July 17, 2014 at 1:47 PM

One of them moved up to Michigan to live welfare style with someone she met on the internet. I don’t speak to her. The other lives a couple streets over from me and is a disabled Iraq war veteran. We get along.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Wow, same airline and aircraft type that disappeared in March.

rickv404 on July 17, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Every time I go to Five Guys for lunch I can just feel Moochelle scowling at me.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:44 PM

That’s half the fun.

Happy Nomad on July 17, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Last time we went there for lunch it was on my birthday a couple weeks ago. We have a 25-ish lefty girl on the accounting staff that went with us, and I reminded her that Mooch was scowling at us for consuming “food porn” LOL.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:55 PM

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Every time I go to Five Guys for lunch I can just feel Moochelle scowling at me.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:44 PM

ConstantineXI: Lol,…”Big Sister”:)

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Wow, same airline and aircraft type that disappeared in March.

rickv404 on July 17, 2014 at 1:55 PM

How long until CNN has some crackpot “expert” on who speculates that Flight 17 collided with Flight 370 which is what brought it down?

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

ConstantineXI: Lol,…”Big Sister”:)

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:56 PM

I affectionately refer to her as the Big Yeti.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

A series of regional conflicts are slowly melding into a global conflict.

And we have Obama in charge.

What could go wrong?

ajacksonian on July 17, 2014 at 1:58 PM

RIP Johnny Winter

John the Libertarian on July 17, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Found dead in his hotel room in Switzerland.

Got a chance to see him live just a few years ago. Man, could that dude play.

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Why don’t you two butt-buddies knock it off with posting this OT crap on both threads relating to a much bigger tragedy?

Other than you two over-the-hill clowns, his fans and family, no one gives a flying F!!!

Try to show some decorum, azzhats.

ZeusGoose on July 17, 2014 at 2:00 PM

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:52 PM

There’s hope for you yet, Constantine ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on July 17, 2014 at 2:01 PM

A series of regional conflicts are slowly melding into a global conflict.

And we have Obama in charge.

What could go wrong?

ajacksonian on July 17, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Whatever he does, we know Obama will make the situation worse than it is. He has a gift.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 2:01 PM

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Schad says 23 Americans died. Obama is scum.

faraway on July 17, 2014 at 1:41 PM

faraway: Ya, heard that too,…..on the News Hunt:)

https://twitter.com/PentagonPresSec

Rear Adm. John Kirby @PentagonPresSec · 1h

We are aware of reports of downing of airliner in Ukraine. Cannot confirm details. #Secdef has been briefed.

https://twitter.com/DeptofDefense

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 2:02 PM

The Berenstain Bears could kick his weenie a$$.

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Don’t forget “the Beaver”.

“Gee Wally, I can kick that bear’s @$$.”

freedomfirst on July 17, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Whatever he does, we know Obama will make the situation worse than it is. He has a gift.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Yes, he is not even a paper tiger.

We are in for a world of hurt, and it will be global.

ajacksonian on July 17, 2014 at 2:05 PM

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:56 PM

I affectionately refer to her as the Big Yeti.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

ConstantineXI: Good one,…but don’t go near the Star Wars Charac
ter we do not mention!–:0

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Oh man, we’re going to have to fight WWIII with this SCOAMF as Commander-in-Chief….

Shadow on July 17, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 1m

WH says Pres Obama again urged Putin to de-escalate the situation in eastern Ukraine including press separatists to agree to a cease-fire.

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Mark Knoller @markknoller · 1m

In phone call with Putin, says WH, Pres Obama emphasized he remains committed to diplomatic solution to end Russian intervention in Ukraine.

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 2:09 PM

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