Breaking: Plane crash near Ukraine-Russia border, 295 on board

posted at 11:43 am on July 17, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

This looks very, very bad. Ukrainian officials say that a Malaysia Air commercial flight traveling near the Russian border has been shot down, with 295 people on board:

No other source has confirmed that the flight, which left Amsterdam earlier, was shot down as opposed to crashed for some other reason. Sky News reports that Malaysia Air has confirmed an “incident” in the area, though, so the crash itself appears to be real. It would be the second major crash for the airline this year, and this one might touch off a lot more than a so-far futile hemispheric search.

On Twitter, people were recalling the tensions following the KAL 007 shoot-down in 1983:

Reuters has more on this now:

The Boeing plane was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, it said. Reuters could not immediately confirm the report.

The Interfax report said the plane came down 50 km (20 miles) short of entering Russian airspace. It “began to drop, afterwards it was found burning on the ground on Ukrainian territory,” the unnamed source said.

The plane appeared to have come down in a region of military action where Ukrainian government forces are battling pro-Russian separatists.

If this plane was shot down, this would mean an enormous escalation in the Ukraine-Russia crisis. It’s difficult to believe that either Ukraine or Russia would mistake a commercial flight at 10,000 meters, as Reuters reports it, as a hostile military flight — although that was the explanation offered for the KAL 007 shootdown and the US Navy’s shootdown of an Iranian commercial flight in the 1980s as well.  CNN’s expert wonders whether Malaysia Air’s communications got screwed up again and ended up flashing something other than its proper ID, but it seems a little more likely that if it got shot down — still not yet established — it would have been from forces not used to dealing with the distinction between the various kinds of flights.

Ukraine says that the missile was fired by separatists:

Assuming that it was shot down, of course, that would reflect back on Russia, which is supporting the separatists. CNN is now reporting that the Pentagon thinks that’s what happened on an earlier shootdown [corrected]:

CBS has live video coverage:

Obama has now been advised, according to both CBS and The Hill:

Update: Seems that Ukrainian separatists were bragging about taking a plane down about an hour before Malaysia Air plane went down:

If nothing else went missing, that may be a big hint.

Update: Ukraine says its military took no action on any aerial targets today:

That makes sense, as the pro-Russian separatists don’t have many air assets, if any at all. The rebels, though, have been firing on Ukrainian military aircraft, downing two this week.

And more:

Update: Good Lord — the debris field is seven miles wide, which certainly makes it more likely that it exploded in the air:

Update: CBS talked with “Sully” Sullenberger, who wondered why commercial flights took routes over Ukraine at all. The FAA has reminded people that they ordered US carriers months ago to avoid the region for overflights. It looks like other airlines have gotten the message today:

Update: The AP reports that a Buk missile system was seen in the area earlier today:

The Donetsk region government said Thursday’s plane crashed near a village called Grabovo, which it said is currently under the control of armed pro-Russian separatists. The region where the flight was lost has seen severe fighting between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russia separatist rebels in recent days.

A launcher similar to the Buk missile system was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday.

On Wednesday evening, a Ukrainian fighter jet was shot down by an air-to-air missile from a Russian plane, Ukrainian authorities said Thursday, adding to what Kiev says is mounting evidence that Moscow is directly supporting the separatist insurgents in eastern Ukraine. Security Council spokesman Andrei Lysenko said the pilot of the Sukhoi-25 jet hit by the air-to-air missile was forced to bail after his jet was shot down.

Pro-Russia rebels, meanwhile, claimed responsibility for strikes Wednesday on two Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 jets. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry said the second jet was hit by a portable surface-to-air missile, but added the pilot was unscathed and managed to land his plane safely

Moscow denies Western charges that is supporting the separatists or sowing unrest in its neighbor. The Russian Defense Ministry couldn’t be reached for comment Thursday about the Ukrainian jet and Russia’s foreign ministry didn’t respond to multiple requests for comment.


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Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin 3m

Money-grubber-in-chief hard at work. Behind closed doors. MT @markknoller Obama en route to NYC for 2 Dem fundraisers. Both closed to press.

Bmore on July 17, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Putin’s plane was the target?

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:11 PM

How can this be blamed on the Ukrainians? If it’s true a Russian-made S2A missile took down this plane, chances are it wasn’t a Ukraine resistance group that would be responsible. This wasn’t a Russian aircraft…which still makes me wonder what was to be gained by anyone taking out a Malaysian airliner? Unless it was a case of mistaken identity.

JetBoy on July 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Might be helpful to use the NATO designation: SA-11/17. The separatists took at least one SA-11/17 system from a Ukrainian military base somewhat recently. Both the Russians and the Ukrainians use the system (so a semi-trained operator would be easy to come by).

Why would it need to be a Russian plane for the separatists to shoot it down, then blame it on Ukraine? Any plane will do. All they have to do is make the Ukrainian government out to be bad, awful people for killing a bunch of civilians, then invade (or be more direct in their support of the separatists) to remove the government. It’s a classic false flag.

It is possible it was a Ukrainian shoot-down, with the false flag running the other way (blame it on the separatists, and the Ukrainians now have carte blanche to ruthlessly wipe them out). The evidence isn’t running that way, though.

It is also possible that the separatists simply mistook it for a Ukrainian military cargo aircraft (not if they knew what they were doing – what would it be doing at 33,000 feet?!?). In which case, they should be ruthlessly suppressed so their toys can be taken away.

GWB on July 17, 2014 at 3:11 PM

The national carrier of a majority Muslim nation, flying to its capital city, surely had a large number of Muslims aboard. Even if it were true that no Muslims were on the plane (kinda like there were no Jews in the Twin Towers, right?) what point was he trying to make? I can’t think of how that would impact this story or the fallout from the attack.

KGB on July 17, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Malaysia is what, a bit over 60% Muslim IIRC? And although Islam is the official state religion, there is a good level of legally mandated religious freedom there.

JetBoy on July 17, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Link for speculation
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Guy Benson ‏@guypbenson 1h

“Mr. President, 23 Americans appear to have been murdered in the Ukraine conflict. Perhaps we should cut short this burger photo op.”

Bmore on July 17, 2014 at 3:07 PM

There isn’t anyone around him that would dare suggest that.

Obama is a blithering idiot incompetent that has surrounded himself with even greater blithering idiot incompetents so he never gets outshined.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Link for speculation
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:12 PM

You mean link for propaganda.

Walter L. Newton on July 17, 2014 at 3:15 PM

For those interested, the link below will take you to the Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) issued by the FAA on June 26. Specifically, go to page 359 for the geographic boundaries of the restricted airspace.

Obviously, no one should have been shooting SAMs into the blind, but only a fool flies commercial air over a war zone where SAMs are in use. NOTAMs receive broad distribution, so Malaysia Air cannot possibly have been unaware.

Apologies if the NOTAM has been linked to previously.

dreadnought62 on July 17, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Link for speculation
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Yeah, ‘cuz, like, um, ya know, Russia Today doesn’t have an ulterior motive in redirecting blame and disinformatiya.

Resist We Much on July 17, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Walter L. Newton on July 17, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Nah, I’ll go with conspiracy theory.

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:18 PM

In Flight Crisis @FlightCrisis · 1m

BREAKING : Separatists in Donetsk claim responsibility on social network. Post since delete. #airlivenet

https://twitter.com/FlightCrisis/status/489850205446348800/photo/1

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Link for speculation
http://rt.com/news/173672-malaysia-plane-crash-putin/

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:12 PM

You didn’t seriously post that link as a possible news source… did you? Do you know what RT is? Russia Today, the English language propaganda arm for Russia.

But you knew that… yes?

Вы серьезно не оставлять эту ссылку в качестве возможного источника новостей … не так ли? Вы знаете, что РТ? Россия сегодня, английский язык пропаганда кронштейн для России.

Но вы знали, что … да?

Walter L. Newton on July 17, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:12 PM

You mean link for propaganda.

Walter L. Newton on July 17, 2014 at 3:15 PM

I will have to agree on that.

The picture is not of the Russian presidential aircraft. Though it is possible Putin wasn’t on the presidential aircraft.

cozmo on July 17, 2014 at 3:21 PM

https://twitter.com/FlightCrisis/status/489850205446348800/photo/1

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Putin’s finger prints are all over this.
Paging Edward Snowden

weedisgood on July 17, 2014 at 3:21 PM

RWM yep everybody has a horse in this race, or a finger to point so to speak.

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Guy Benson ‏@guypbenson 1h

“Mr. President, 23 Americans appear to have been murdered in the Ukraine conflict. Perhaps we should cut short this burger photo op.”

Bmore on July 17, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Bmore: True Dats:)

Well,….Hopey is eating well:

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 1m

“I’m starving,” said Pres Obama as he sat down to lunch with letter writer Tanei Benjamin. He order a cheeseburger and fries. (Medium well)

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 1:34 PM

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Just putin’ it out there as speculation for the speculators. Next up, it was the CIA.

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Retweeted by Allahpundit
Vox ‏@vauxnews 1h

“It looks like it may be a terrible tragedy” — Obama on the downed Malaysian Airlines flight. 9 reasons he’s right. http://tinyurl.com/voxsplaining

Subtle. ; )

Bmore on July 17, 2014 at 3:25 PM

I will have to agree on that.

The picture is not of the Russian presidential aircraft. Though it is possible Putin wasn’t on the presidential aircraft.

cozmo on July 17, 2014 at 3:21 PM

And the flight path for a non-stop from Brazil to Moscow is usually up over northern England/Ireland and then over the North Sea and then into Moscow.

It never even flies over West or East European airspace.

Walter L. Newton on July 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Ukraine, Russia political crisis
2m
Ukrainian emergency official says search efforts at scene of Malaysia Airlines plane crash are being hampered by ‘armed terrorists’ – @Reuters
End of alert
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Malaysia Airlines plane crash in Ukraine, July 17, 2014
5m
Editor’s note: Interfax news agency reported that pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine say they found the “black box” flight recorder of the downed Malaysian airliner, according to Reuters. We’re watching for official confirmation. – Stephanie
Read more on reuters.com

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Just putin’ it out there as speculation for the speculators. Next up, it was the CIA.

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:23 PM

I think it was Paul Krugman’s space invaders!!

Bitter Clinger on July 17, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Obama is a blithering idiot incompetent that has surrounded himself with even greater blithering idiot incompetents so he never gets outshined.

ConstantineXI on July 17, 2014 at 3:13 PM

They are afraid to say anything he might not like or disturbs his mellow.

dogsoldier on July 17, 2014 at 3:27 PM

And the flight path for a non-stop from Brazil to Moscow is usually up over northern England/Ireland and then over the North Sea and then into Moscow.

It never even flies over West or East European airspace.

Walter L. Newton on July 17, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Never mond- My mistake on that. I was looking at a different flight path.

Walter L. Newton on July 17, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Walter L. Newton on July 17, 2014 at 3:20 PM

That’s why he said it was “for speculation“. I read that to mean “lots of people saying a bunch of crap about which they know nothing, but some of it might be interesting.”

GWB on July 17, 2014 at 3:30 PM

…it was the CIA.

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:23 PM

That’s one part of the triad for a good conspiracy.

The others being area 51 and Diego Garcia. Unless you want to go with a black hole, UFO or Atlantis

cozmo on July 17, 2014 at 3:31 PM

But here is the flight path. Never touches Eastern Ukraine.

http://flights.expedia.com/flights-from-moscow-to-rio-de-janeiro-svo-to-gig/

Walter L. Newton on July 17, 2014 at 3:31 PM

That’s why he said it was “for speculation“. I read that to mean “lots of people saying a bunch of crap about which they know nothing, but some of it might be interesting.”

GWB on July 17, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Nothing from Russian Times is interesting. Propaganda is not interesting, especially in a tragedy like this. In that case you may as well go to a psychic and ask him/her what happened.

Walter L. Newton on July 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM

cozmo on July 17, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Yes indeedy sir. May I add that today is the anniversary of TWA Flight 800?

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:33 PM

That’s one part of the triad for a good conspiracy.

The others being area 51 and Diego Garcia. Unless you want to go with a black hole, UFO or Atlantis

cozmo on July 17, 2014 at 3:31 PM

I managed to get black holes, Area 51, and UFOs (Project Blue Book) into my absurd theory. But that was pretty quick off-the-cuff.

Walter L. Newton on July 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Meh, I won’t argue.

GWB on July 17, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Today is the 18th anniversary of Flt 800.

Resist We Much on July 17, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Today is the 18th anniversary of Flt 800.

Resist We Much on July 17, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Yes, and the 777 shot down today made its first flight 17 years ago today, July, 17,1997:

Aviation Safety Network

Wow.

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 3:43 PM

GWB don’t worry. Not worth arguing.
Hey guess what, I’m a psychic too!!!/

Seriously, I’m logging off and going to pray for the souls of those on the plane. Take care everyone.

Brat on July 17, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Sorry, link should be:

Aviation Safety Network

Ward Cleaver on July 17, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Gaza, PS
4m
Israeli military says it has launched a large ground operation in the Gaza Strip – @IDFSpokesperson

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 3:51 PM

LIVE NOW:

http://www.i24news.tv/en/tv/live

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 3:55 PM

If it had been truly hit by a typical AA missile, it would have come straight down, and left a crater, like Flight 93.

listens2glenn on July 17, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Not necessarily.

DarkCurrent on July 17, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Oh Oh, Obama might have to interrupt his fundraising to say something…

sandee on July 17, 2014 at 11:46 AM
I’m as much a political hack as anyone else on this site, but seriously you gotta take a dig at Obama after 295 people have very likely died?

Thats pretty cold.

Defenestratus on July 17, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Guy Benson @guypbenson
Follow
Of course. RT @markknoller: AF-1 wheels up from Delaware. Pres Obama en route to NYC for two Dem fundraisers. Both closed to press coverage
3:07 PM – 17 Jul 2014

Honestly Def? You didn’t see that coming?

parke on July 17, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Ukraine, Russia political crisis
7m

Editor’s note:

The Security Service of Ukraine says it has intercepted phone conversations, including one where a Russian military intelligence officer and a leading commander admit to involvement in downing the Malaysia Airlines plane in the Ukraine, Kyiv Post reports. – Stephanie
Read more on kyivpost.com

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/separatists-admit-downing-a-civilian-plane-in-tapped-conversation-full-transcript-356545.html

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 4:06 PM

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Gaza, PS
2m
Israeli Army spokesman says troops in ‘several areas’ of the Gaza Strip, operation involving ‘infantry, artillery, tanks’ and others – @glcarlstrom

https://twitter.com/glcarlstrom

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 4:09 PM

I wonder if Igor Girkin will offer his resignation to Tsar Pooty.

slickwillie2001 on July 17, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Oh Oh, Obama might have to interrupt his fundraising to say something…

sandee on July 17, 2014 at 11:46 AM
I’m as much a political hack as anyone else on this site, but seriously you gotta take a dig at Obama after 295 people have very likely died?

Thats pretty cold.

Defenestratus on July 17, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Guy Benson @guypbenson
Follow
Of course. RT @markknoller: AF-1 wheels up from Delaware. Pres Obama en route to NYC for two Dem fundraisers. Both closed to press coverage
3:07 PM – 17 Jul 2014

Honestly Def? You didn’t see that coming?

parke on July 17, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Def, dumb, and a real a$$hat.

HornetSting on July 17, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 crashed over the Black Sea on 4 October 2001, en route from Tel Aviv, Israel to Novosibirsk, Russia. The plane, a Soviet-made Tupolev Tu-154, carried an estimated 66 passengers and 12 crew members. Most of the passengers were Israelis visiting relatives in Russia. No one on board survived. The crash site is some 190 km west-southwest of the Black Sea resort of Sochi and 140 km north of the Turkish coastal town of Fatsa and 350 km east-southeast of Feodosiya, Ukraine. Ukraine admitted that the disaster was probably caused by an errant missile fired by its armed forces.

The Russian ground control center in Sochi suddenly lost contact with the airliner. Soon afterward, the pilot of an Armenian plane crossing the sea nearby reported seeing the Russian plane explode before it crashed into the sea about 1:45 PM Moscow time (9:45 AM GMT).[2] Most of the passengers were Israelis visiting their relatives in Russia. No one on board survived. A national day of mourning was instituted in Israel – with a minute of silence, flags at half-mast and schools teaching special lessons on the tragedy. The monument to the victims was built in Ben Shemen forest in Israel.

Occurring less than a month after the September 11, 2001 attacks, the crash was initially thought to be an act of terrorism. Nicholas Esterhazy, in an editorial in the Johns Hopkins Newsletter, speculated that, while Israeli and Russian intelligence immediately suspected a terrorist attack, Central Intelligence Agency reported that the crash was due to an errant S-200 surface to air missile fired as part of a Ukrainian Air Defense Forces exercise staged off Cape Onuk (or Chuluk) in Crimea. Esterhazy considered this hypothesis unlikely due to the missile’s range and safety-features.[4] He noted that the missile, with a range of 240 km (150 mi) could not have struck the plane which was more than 320 km away from the missile launch site.

Russian officials initially dismissed the American claim as “unworthy of attention,” and Russian President Vladimir Putin told the press the next day that “the weapons used in those exercises had such characteristics that make it impossible for them to reach the air corridor through which the plane was moving.” Ukrainian military officials initially denied that their missile had brought down the plane; they reported that the S-200 had been launched seawards and had successfully self-destructed. Indeed, Defense Ministry spokesman Konstantin Khivrenko noted that “neither the direction nor the range (of the missiles) correspond to the practical or theoretical point at which the plane exploded.”

However, Ukrainian officials later admitted that it was indeed their military that shot down the airliner.

VorDaj on July 17, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Not necessarily.

DarkCurrent on July 17, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Yeah, not even remotely true.

GWB on July 17, 2014 at 5:00 PM

https://twitter.com/CharlieKayeCBS

Retweeted by Mark Knoller
Charlie Kaye @CharlieKayeCBS · 1m

BREAKING. @CBSDavidMartin: US intelligence confirms Malaysian plane brought down by missile, not yet determined from where.

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 4:58 PM

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 5:00 PM

However, Ukrainian officials later admitted that it was indeed their military that shot down the airliner.

VorDaj on July 17, 2014 at 4:53 PM


Sooooo
weird since I posted this from wikipedia earlier today…before the revisionist history writers got a hold of it…

Siberia Airlines Flight 1812

Occurring less than a month after the September 11, 2001 attacks, the crash was initially thought to be an act of terrorism. Nicholas Esterhazy, in an editorial in the Johns Hopkins Newsletter, speculated that, while Israeli and Russian intelligence[who?] immediately suspected a terrorist attack,[citation needed] Central Intelligence Agency reported[citation needed] that the crash was due to an errant S-200 surface to air missile[clarification needed] fired as part of a Ukrainian Air Defense Forces exercise staged off Cape Onuk (or Chuluk) in Crimea. Esterhazy considered this hypothesis unlikely due to the missile’s range and safety-features.[2] He noted that the missile, with a range of 240 km (150 mi) could not have struck the plane which was more than 320 km away from the missile launch site.[3]

Russian officials initially dismissed the American claim as “unworthy of attention,”[4] and Russian President Vladimir Putin told the press the next day that “the weapons used in those exercises had such characteristics that make it impossible for them to reach the air corridor through which the plane was moving.”[4] Ukrainian military officials initially denied that their missile had brought down the plane; they reported that the S-200 had been launched seawards and had successfully self-destructed. Indeed, Defense Ministry spokesman Konstantin Khivrenko noted that “neither the direction nor the range (of the missiles) correspond to the practical or theoretical point at which the plane exploded.”[4]

Some relatives of the crash victims refused to accept the compensation offered by Ukraine. They brought a civil suit against the Ukrainian government[dubious – discuss] to Pechers’ky local court in Kiev. During the court hearings, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence representatives stated that the airplane “could not be brought down by a Ukrainian missile” according to the forensic examination of the plane’s debris, radar information and technical capabilities of the missiles. They also argued that the Soviet-made Identification friend or foe system of the missile in question would have prevented it from striking the Soviet-made airliner.[5] The lawyer representing the plaintiffs argued in media[citation needed] that the fault of the Ukrainian government was effectively proven by the fact that it negotiated the compensations for Israeli relatives of the victims.

None of the 11 forensic examinations[6] carried out so far have proven the probability of hitting the Tupolev-154 by a Ukrainian missile.

On August 22, 2007 Kyiv Appeals Court has dismissed the victims’ relatives suit against the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine, ruling that military of Ukraine bear no liability for the accident.[5]

As of January 2013 the court proceedings continued.

Resist We Much on July 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Your statement was added to wiki after I posted this.

Resist We Much on July 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Malaysia Airlines plane crash in Ukraine, July 17, 2014
8m
Malaysia Airlines official: 154 Dutch passengers on board jet that crashed in Ukraine; 27 Australians, 23 Malaysians, 11 Indonesians, 6 Britons, 4 Germans, 3 from Belgians, 3 Filipinos, 1 Canadian also on board; 53 unaccounted for – @JackBoard
End of alert

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 5:16 PM

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 5:19 PM

canopfor on July 17, 2014 at 5:19 PM

So all humans?

DarkCurrent on July 17, 2014 at 5:38 PM

This is a sad tragedy..Very sad..:(:(

Dire Straits on July 17, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Has it been confirmed that the plane was shot down?

cozmo on July 17, 2014 at 12:29 PM

American intel confirms plane shot down…

‘Course, that’s just your countrymen…

Resist We Much on July 17, 2014 at 5:49 PM

‘Course, that’s just your countrymen…

Resist We Much on July 17, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Don’t you mean ‘our countrymen’ redcoat?

DarkCurrent on July 17, 2014 at 5:53 PM

Don’t you mean ‘our countrymen’ redcoat?

DarkCurrent on July 17, 2014 at 5:53 PM

lolz.

Now, what do I call you? After all, the PC police have demanded the firing of Bob Beckel for using the term ‘Chinaman’.

Redcoat? OK.

Chinaman? Not so much.

Of course, you have to know that I’m kidding. Would love to share some bird’s nest or three screams soup!

Resist We Much on July 17, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Of course, you have to know that I’m kidding. Would love to share some bird’s nest or three screams soup!

Resist We Much on July 17, 2014 at 5:57 PM

How about Korean BBQ instead? ;)

DarkCurrent on July 17, 2014 at 6:16 PM

“Unintended Consequence” of ‘being more flexible’ after the election?

socalcon on July 17, 2014 at 6:21 PM

How about Korean BBQ instead? ;)

DarkCurrent on July 17, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Hmmm…Yummy…Yummy!

**rubs my tummy**

Resist We Much on July 17, 2014 at 6:44 PM

And why was a commercial airliner flying over a warzone?

The rebels have nothing to gain by doing this and neither do the Ukrainians (or Russians, for that matter). Looks like a case of mistaken identity, given that military and civilian transports are indistinguishable to AA radars.

We have done this ourselves. USS Vincennes in the Persian Gulf.

spiritof61 on July 17, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Don’t know if it’s been posted up-thread, but I just heard that the death count is up to 298–apparently there were 3 infants not listed on the manifest. Heartbreaking..

bimmcorp on July 17, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Your statement was added to wiki after I posted this.

Resist We Much on July 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM

This is why one should never cite Wikipedia as an authoritative source. Some Russian ass-lickers have been monkeying around.

TarasBulbous on July 18, 2014 at 1:26 PM

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