We’re number two: Pew poll shows atheists are America’s second-least popular religious group

posted at 8:41 pm on July 16, 2014 by Allahpundit

Good news for Obama, I guess. The group he actually secretly belongs to is slightly more popular than the group his harshest critics accuse him of secretly belonging to.

Jews, Catholics and evangelical Christians are viewed warmly by the American public. When asked to rate each group on a “feeling thermometer” ranging from 0 to 100 – where 0 reflects the coldest, most negative possible rating and 100 the warmest, most positive rating – all three groups receive an average rating of 60 or higher (63 for Jews, 62 for Catholics and 61 for evangelical Christians). And 44% of the public rates all three groups in the warmest part of the scale (67 or higher).

Buddhists, Hindus and Mormons receive neutral ratings on average, ranging from 48 for Mormons to 53 for Buddhists. The public views atheists and Muslims more coldly; atheists receive an average rating of 41, and Muslims an average rating of 40. Fully 41% of the public rates Muslims in the coldest part of the thermometer (33 or below), and 40% rate atheists in the coldest part.

Not only are Jews the most liked religious group, but per the table below, they’re the only group to draw a “warm” rating from every other major religious group. That’s quite a contrast to recent news from Europe, needless to say. The Atlantic wonders whether it’s a function of (a) Jewish participation in popular culture, (b) the fact that many members of other religious minorities are first- or second-generation whereas the Jewish population is well established in America, or (c) religion-infused politics, with America’s large evangelical population strongly pro-Jewish because of their solidarity with Israel and veneration of Biblical teachings about the “chosen people.”

If the answer is (c), it seems the love is not requited, alas:

rels

White evangelicals view Jews “warmly” with a rating of 69; Jews, meanwhile, give evangelicals a rating of … 34, which is a point lower than their rating of Muslims. Could be that evangelicals, when asked about Jews, instinctively think of Israel and foreign policy whereas Jews, most of whom lean Democratic, think mainly of domestic policy when asked about evangelical Christians. Go figure that a socially liberal, solidly Democratic group would look skeptically at the GOP’s conservative base. When you ask Jews about a Christian group that’s not closely identified with either party, i.e. Catholics, the rating shoots up to 58, the second highest number (behind Buddhists) that Jews gave to any other group. That’s the proof, I think, that the numbers here are to some extent a proxy for politics rather than a gauge of religion.

The same thing’s apparent in the atheist ratings. Atheists give evangelical Christians a rating of just 28, more than 10 points lower than their rating for any other group. That’s not because they see them as significantly more “radical” than, say, Muslims, I suspect; it’s because evangelicals, as an engine of the GOP, have real political muscle and therefore seem threatening to socially liberal nonbelievers. (Evangelicals, meanwhile, gave atheists a rating of 25, the lowest number on the board. Maybe that’s a reaction to perceived political power too, although I tend to think it’s more an expression of pure disdain for the godless.) In fact, look again at the ratings given by atheists and you’ll see a trend — while the two major Christian denominations, which includes most of the public, fail to break 50, several small religious minorities do (Jews, Buddhists, Hindus). It’s not that atheists view all religious believers dimly, in other words, so much as they view the dominant religion as a threat politically.

Exit question: We can’t do better than a 48 for Mormons, America? I know their beliefs are considered “out there” by other religious groups, but they’re very solid citizens and the polygamy thing is ancient history. C’mon.


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♫ Nothing from nothing leaves nothing…

Ya gotta have something if ya wanna be with me….♫

viking01 on July 16, 2014 at 8:46 PM

I really don’t think you’re correct when you suggest Obama is secretly an atheist.

Is it really atheism when he appears to believe that he is himself a god?

malclave on July 16, 2014 at 8:49 PM

The group he actually secretly belongs to is slightly more popular than the group his harshest critics accuse him of secretly belonging to.

I know he’s not a Muslim–he doesn’t do any of “the five pillars.”
I don’t think he’s really an atheist.
His religion seems to be Narcissist.

itsnotaboutme on July 16, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Jews and Christian’s…I don’t think you need a study to see that they are popular.

But I don’t understand the animus towards atheists, we have all been moved by the shelters for the homeless, the hospitals they have built, the reaching out to the people who are displaced by tragedy…they have shown how worthy they are, by the huge investment they have made to society…..

HAHAHAHAHA!! I crack myself up sometimes….

right2bright on July 16, 2014 at 8:50 PM

I tend to think it’s more an expression of pure disdain for the godless.

I think I might argue against this, even though you express it more as a general feeling rather than a point of fact.

Perhaps it’s more that the evangelicals view atheists as more of a threat on social issues, since atheist’s ignore the moral imperatives that are the basis of evangelical’s belief system, rather than disdain.

thatsafactjack on July 16, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Who is this we in the we‘re?

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CW on July 16, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Given the number of atrocities committed daily by cultist mooslims all over the world, why do they have anywhere NEAR 40% approval?

The cult of Islam should be outlawed in the U.S. It’s entire premise disqualifies it from First Amendment protections.

That’s just fracking sad. I guess America truly IS the dumbest nation on earth.

Meople on July 16, 2014 at 8:52 PM

What about worshipers of Gaia? Where do they rate? AlGore and his minions wait with bated breath.

predator on July 16, 2014 at 8:52 PM

SauerKraut in 3-2-1….

CW on July 16, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Uh, Buddhists are atheists…

DarkCurrent on July 16, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Joos were the most liked?

Where was the poll taken… Washington Heights (NYC)?

Definitely not polling in Dearbornistan… or Al $harpton’s neighborhood.

viking01 on July 16, 2014 at 8:55 PM

The group he actually secretly belongs to is slightly more popular than the group his harshest critics accuse him of secretly belonging to.

That’s funny. I always thought he was an atheist.

cat_owner on July 16, 2014 at 8:55 PM

the polygamy thing is ancient history. C’mon.

Not for long.

Cindy Munford on July 16, 2014 at 8:57 PM

The only reason Obama would be consider an atheist is because there hasn’t been a religion naming him as God yet.

Cindy Munford on July 16, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Uh, Buddhists are atheists…

DarkCurrent on July 16, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Uh, atheists are not necessarily Buddhists.
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Buddhism is neither atheistic nor life-denying. We can witness this in the great surge of socially activist Buddhists in the Western countries today, which includes the widespread movement of so-called “engaged Buddhism” founded in part by the Vietnamese Zen master, poet, and peace activist Thich Nhat Hanh. There is great affirmation and hope in Buddhist teaching, or Buddha-dharma, and great respect and reverence for life in all its forms, human and otherwise.
In fact, Buddhism is generally considered to be not atheistic but agnostic, in that, the Buddha himself did not deny the existence of God. The Indian teacher and social reformer teacher called Sakyamuni Buddha is reported to have either kept silent when asked whether God existed, or in other cases to have said that his Noble Eightfold path led to enlightenment and deathless peace, and did not require faith or belief in a divine being or supreme creator. “Buddhism Without Beliefs,” by the former monk and Buddhist scholar Stephen Batchelor, offers a fine argument for the agnostic thinking of basic Buddhism.

Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Secular-Philosophies/If-Theres-No-God-In-Buddhism-Are-Buddhists-Atheists.aspx#x7ESsHRf6qcEEwxk.99

CW on July 16, 2014 at 8:58 PM

That’s funny. I always thought he was an atheist.

cat_owner on July 16, 2014 at 8:55 PM

He is whatever the politics of a situation dictate that he is. I guess you could call that atheist. I call it soulless.

Meople on July 16, 2014 at 8:59 PM

In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle.

Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex and he [Mohammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion [Islam, not "radical Islam"], against all the rest of mankind.

Between these two religions [Christianity and Islam], thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus.
- John Quincy Adams

VorDaj on July 16, 2014 at 8:59 PM

It’s a matter of Christian faith to love Jews, though it may be mostly the evangelicals who take it seriously. Jews, on the other hand, tend to regard Christians as hostile, owing at least somewhat to historical antisemitism among Catholics. Ergo, the warm feelings of evangelicals to Jews are not reciprocated.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 16, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Religious group? hmm thought atheists believed in nothing

sadsushi on July 16, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Religious group? hmm thought atheists believed in nothing

sadsushi on July 16, 2014 at 8:59 PM

How times have changed eh? It practically is a religion now. They have statues and Sundays together.

CW on July 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Evangelicals, meanwhile, gave atheists a rating of 25, the lowest number on the board. Maybe that’s a reaction to perceived political power too, although I tend to think it’s more an expression of pure disdain for the godless.

Which religious group insults us the loudest, and is consistently rewarded for doing so (given TV shows, book deals, newspaper space, etc)? Look, Atheists even gave Muslims a neutral rating compared to us, and Muslims are killing us all over the world! Atheists always look the other way when Christians suffer. There’s your answer.

LancerDL on July 16, 2014 at 9:01 PM

I know he’s not a Muslim–he doesn’t do any of “the five pillars.”
I don’t think he’s really an atheist.
His religion seems to be Narcissist.

itsnotaboutme on July 16, 2014 at 8:49 PM

More of a paranoid schizophrenic with messianic delusions. Malignant narcissism is more of a symptom than a “root cause” with that disorder.

In this respect, he resembles a large percentage of both UFO “contactees” and UFO-type “conspiracy theorists”. No to mention deep-eco “crusaders” like AlGore.

They believe they have secret, “superior” wisdom not granted to the rest of humanity; that the World Will End if they are not heeded; and that others are conspiring to keep them from Saving The Planet.

Sound familiar?

clear ether

eon

eon on July 16, 2014 at 9:01 PM

“We can’t do better than a 48 for Mormons, America?”

Seriously folks, we Mormons are pretty awesome.

fragglerock61 on July 16, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Go figure that a socially liberal, solidly Democratic group would look skeptically at the GOP’s conservative base.

Go figure that a socially conservative, solidly Republican group would look uncritically at the Democrats’ leftist base.

corona79 on July 16, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Religious group? hmm thought atheists believed in nothing

sadsushi on July 16, 2014 at 8:59 PM

How times have changed eh? It practically is a religion now. They have statues and Sundays together.

CW on July 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM

The State is their god, and Statism their religion.

predator on July 16, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Islam brings hope and comfort to millions of people in my country, and to more than a billion people worldwide. Ramadan is also an occasion to remember that Islam gave birth to a rich civilization of learning that has benefited mankind. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to people. It inspires them to lead lives based on honesty, and justice, and compassion. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It’s a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It’s a faith based upon love, not hate. Mohammad’s word has guided billions of believers across the centuries, and those believers built a culture of learning and literature and science. All the world continues to benefit from this faith and its achievements. The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur’an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace. George W. Bush !!!

VorDaj on July 16, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Accept CHRIST, before it’s too late.

Don’t get left behind.

Pork-Chop on July 16, 2014 at 9:02 PM

White evangelicals view Jews “warmly” with a rating of 69; Jews, meanwhile, give evangelicals a rating of … 34, which is a point lower than their rating of Muslims.

This is all people have to read to understand how twisted therelationship between evangelicals and Jews is. Evangelicals will go to the end of the Earth to save the Jews. Jews could care less about the former unless they need them to call their congressmen to lobby for more patriot missiles. lol

coolrepublica on July 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM

VorDaj on July 16, 2014 at 9:02 PM

He was wrong. That was just one example.

Meople on July 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM

“We can’t do better than a 48 for Mormons, America?”

Seriously folks, we Mormons are pretty awesome.

fragglerock61 on July 16, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Well, not awesome but too close to it. You make the other Christian denominations look bad. Nobody likes that. Maybe if you started drinking and swearing some you could win over Catholics and Southern Baptists anyway.

VorDaj on July 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Allah is the primary example of the joke.

Q.”How can you tell an Atheist?”

A. “Don’t worry they’ll let you know”

The Notorious G.O.P on July 16, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Evangelicals, meanwhile, gave atheists a rating of 25, the lowest number on the board. Maybe that’s a reaction to perceived political power too, although I tend to think it’s more an expression of pure disdain for the godless.

Maybe. Or maybe it has something to do with the occasionally-noted tendency among activist atheists to be, shall we say, evangelistically opposed to Christianity?

In terms of real damage as opposed to merely perceived damage though, a lot of atheists actively reject Christian morality, leading them to attempt to derive their morality from science, usually from the poorly-developed social sciences, and to push such social developments as homosexuality, same-sex marriage, increased indoctrinating of sex education, and the decline of the family.

Thats not to say that atheists are driving these things, of course, but they do tend to support them all disproportionately.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 16, 2014 at 9:09 PM

No wonder the country is going into the crapper. Less and less people have morals are good values anymore.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 16, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Atheists would get better numbers if they would stop messing with everybody at Christmas.

magicbeans on July 16, 2014 at 9:09 PM

No wonder the country is going into the crapper. Less and less people have morals are good values anymore.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 16, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Morals are racist in the Obama era.

Meople on July 16, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Atheists talk of rational yet are both iirational and illogical.

sorrowen on July 16, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Didn’t read the article, short on time, but let me guess….the first most unpopular is islam right? Definitely not Judaism.

Diluculo on July 16, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Atheists would get better numbers if they would stop messing with everybody at Christmas.

magicbeans on July 16, 2014 at 9:09 PM

I think a lot of these scores are heavily influence by sometimes trivial things like that. For instance, I would almost bet the Mormon score was that low at least in part because of people who view Mormon “missionaries” as a pest. The same would probably be true of the Watchtower “Jehovah’s Witnesses” group. And while evangelicals have a fairly good score overall, I bet it’s at least partly lower because at least some people don’t appreciate evangelicals talking to them about their faith, either.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 16, 2014 at 9:17 PM

And WTF is with this “we’re”?

Don’t include me in your blasphemous crap AP.

Diluculo on July 16, 2014 at 9:17 PM

But what do the people think of Scientology?

Aizen on July 16, 2014 at 9:21 PM

It’s a matter of Christian faith to love Jews, though it may be mostly the evangelicals who take it seriously. Jews, on the other hand, tend to regard Christians as hostile, owing at least somewhat to historical antisemitism among Catholics. Ergo, the warm feelings of evangelicals to Jews are not reciprocated.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 16, 2014 at 8:59 PM

HAHAAHAH

Martin Luther was a huge anti-Semite. The Catholic Church helped saved over 800 thousand Jews avoid persecution by the Nazis during WWII.

“it is impossible for a Christian to take part in anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism is inadmissible; spiritually we are all Semites.”
-Cardinal Pacelli, Vatican Sec. of State in 1938…who a year later became Pope Pius XII, who stood firm against the Nazi regime.

Lay-Z on July 16, 2014 at 9:22 PM

This is all people have to read to understand how twisted therelationship between evangelicals and Jews is. Evangelicals will go to the end of the Earth to save the Jews. Jews could care less about the former unless they need them to call their congressmen to lobby for more patriot missiles. lol

coolrepublica on July 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM

I don’t know why you even bother flapping your gums. The result is always the same: Ignorance.

The problem here is the categorization, not Jewish indifference towards evangelicals. It’s ridiculous to lump all Jews together when Christians themselves are segregated into several different categories. We all know that many self identified Jews are leftist retards, but most those leftist Jews are also nonpracticing, and even atheists or agnostics. Which brings up another problem with your simplistic analysis: Judaism isn’t just a religion, but a tribal identity that includes a very wide range of personal beliefs about God. Christianity is not a tribal identity, and if someone does not believe Christ is the savior they aren’t a Christian despite who they were born to.
List of Jewish atheists and agnostics

Wouldn’t you say that kind of messes with a straight religious analysis quite a bit? It seems to me many Jews fall into two categories in this poll if they self identify as Jewish. Some identified as Jewish probably also identify as atheist. Not a single Christian occupies both a denominational and atheist category simultaneously. At the very least Jews should be divided into two categories for a poll like this: Those who practice, and those who don’t.

You also conflate Israel with American Jews. They aren’t one and the same, and many Christian’s respect for Jews relates directly to respect for Israel.

NotCoach on July 16, 2014 at 9:23 PM

And WTF is with this “we’re”?
Don’t include me in your blasphemous crap AP.
Diluculo on July 16, 2014 at 9:17 PM
Given atheism’s history of mass murder you can see why it would be unpopular. Plus it’s absurdly illogical

sorrowen on July 16, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Sounds about right. Both groups are pretty obnoxious about their way or the highway, but the fact that even moderate Muslims believe killing somebody over the matter is justified puts them over the top. Atheists will have to up their game to get number one.

Southernblogger on July 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Seriously folks, we Mormons are pretty awesome.

fragglerock61 on July 16, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Harmless, anyway.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Muslims and atheists have both killed vast millions they just haven’t fully taken the gold for the genocide Olympic Games…

sorrowen on July 16, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Atheists give evangelical Christians a rating of just 28, more than 10 points lower than their rating for any other group. That’s not because they see them as significantly more “radical” than, say, Muslims, I suspect; it’s because evangelicals, as an engine of the GOP, have real political muscle and therefore seem threatening to socially liberal nonbelievers.

Or perhaps atheists view Muslims as anti-Christian allies? Or perhaps atheists haven’t gotten over their childhood hours spent in Sunday school, although I tend to think it’s more an expression of pure disdain for the Galilean.

(Evangelicals, meanwhile, gave atheists a rating of 25, the lowest number on the board. Maybe that’s a reaction to perceived political power too, although I tend to think it’s more an expression of pure disdain for the godless.)

… or recollection of who sent believers to the gulags …

Mike OMalley on July 16, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Besides politics, many Jews are wary of Christians because of a perception that any Christian support for Jews in general and Israel in particular is only because they want to evangelize us and get us to convert to Christianity. And some of it is that Jews think that Christians believe that we (the Jewish people) all must die or convert in order for Jesus to return in the second coming.

I’m not saying that the Jews are ACCURATE in our understanding of what Evangelical Christians believe. Just that the perception of ulterior motives is there.

aunursa on July 16, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Atheists have soiled their own nest, much the same as the Moslems.

They’re so eager to prove they’re superior, they don’t get that they still have to live with everybody else.

formwiz on July 16, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Religious group? hmm thought atheists believed in nothing

sadsushi on July 16, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Comical, isn’t it? It’s like the newscaster reporting on black French youths setting fires to cars in Paris, referring to them as “African-American youth”. Or, to paraphrase Oprah, “Everyone gets a religion! Everyone gets a religion!”, even those who deny religion, and specifically say they don’t believe in any way, shape, or form of religion.

LashRambo on July 16, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Muslims and atheists have both killed vast millions they just haven’t fully taken the gold for the genocide Olympic Games…

sorrowen on July 16, 2014 at 9:29 PM

1 Samuel 18:7

“And the women answered one another as they played, and said, Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands.”

Amateurs Saul and David were. Our pro’s now compete in the tens of millions and hundreds of millions. One wonders which of our current day worthies will be the first to grasp the gold ring for tolling one billion dead by the end to the 21st century?

Mike OMalley on July 16, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Muslims fare poorly because they’re such an insular community. Not to mention they seem to condone violence against non-Muslims for not being Muslims. And atheists fare poorly because they’re just generally obnoxious in wanting to spread their unhappiness around, or, to put it most charitably, as in the case of our own AllahPundit, they’re dark, brooding, cynical, snarky.

LashRambo on July 16, 2014 at 9:44 PM

It’s a matter of Christian faith to love Jews, though it may be mostly the evangelicals who take it seriously. Jews, on the other hand, tend to regard Christians as hostile, owing at least somewhat to historical antisemitism among Catholics. Ergo, the warm feelings of evangelicals to Jews are not reciprocated.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 16, 2014 at 8:59 PM

HAHAAHAH

Martin Luther was a huge anti-Semite. The Catholic Church helped saved over 800 thousand Jews avoid persecution by the Nazis during WWII.

“it is impossible for a Christian to take part in anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism is inadmissible; spiritually we are all Semites.”
-Cardinal Pacelli, Vatican Sec. of State in 1938…who a year later became Pope Pius XII, who stood firm against the Nazi regime.

Lay-Z on July 16, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Don’t be an idiot. It’s a matter of historical record that there was a lot of historical antisemitism among Catholics. Martin Luther, by the way, was a Catholic priest until he nailed his ’95 Theses’ to the church door. It’s hardly a counterpoint to call him an anti-Semite. He also took a very harsh view of the anabaptists of the day that was basically indistinguishable from the Catholic view of them as heretical.

BTW, saying this was historically true among Catholics is not the same as saying it can be attributed to Catholicism.

Recently, (in historical terms, at least) the Catholic church has taken a fairly strong position against antisemitism. But if you wonder why Jews tend to distrust Christians, you have to accept there is some history behind it.

I have a strong suspicion that the historical antisemitism of Catholics may have actually been absorbed at least partly from the antisemitism of the Moslems in Spain. There are also historical reasons for that antisemitism, mainly that some of the Christians considered the Jews to be enablers of human trafficking in Christian slaves to Muslim rulers. (Blond-haired women were prize captives for a Muslim ruler’s harem.) But this is getting increasingly off-topic.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 16, 2014 at 9:45 PM

White evangelicals view Jews “warmly” with a rating of 69; Jews, meanwhile, give evangelicals a rating of … 34, which is a point lower than their rating of Muslims. Could be that evangelicals, when asked about Jews, instinctively think of Israel and foreign policy whereas Jews, most of whom lean Democratic, think mainly of domestic policy when asked about evangelical Christians. Go figure that a socially liberal, solidly Democratic group would look skeptically at the GOP’s conservative base.

I’m actually getting a little sick of this. I don’t have “warm” feelings for family members who voted for Obama at this point, indeed, I’m not on speaking terms with some of them.

V7_Sport on July 16, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Jews, meanwhile, give evangelicals a rating of … 34, which is a point lower than their rating of Muslims

Complete morons.

DisneyFan on July 16, 2014 at 9:50 PM

CW on July 16, 2014 at 8:58 PM

There is no belief in God in Buddhism. Though some Buddhists may believe in a God or gods. Perhaps more agnostic than strictly atheistic.

DarkCurrent on July 16, 2014 at 9:51 PM

The group he actually secretly belongs to is slightly more popular than the group his harshest critics accuse him of secretly belonging to.

Most schools of Islamic jurisprudence believe in the principle that one “inherits” Islamic identity from one’s father. Since Obama’s father was Islamic, this means that he is Islamic as well.

The only question is whether he is practicing or apostate.

SubmarineDoc on July 16, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Accept CHRIST, before it’s too late.

Don’t get left behind.

Pork-Chop on July 16, 2014 at 9:02 PM

When does the bus leave?

DarkCurrent on July 16, 2014 at 9:53 PM

islam: The Greatest Murder Machine in History

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html

Pork-Chop on July 16, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Given that muzzies pulled off Pearl Harbor II, one would figure Americans can’t stand their asses…

ConstantineXI on July 16, 2014 at 10:00 PM

Repent America…..Find Christ…He is the only way, the only truth and the only life….

crosshugger on July 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM

It’s political. Jewish Americans are often liberal, so as a group they don’t look favorably on evangelicals and Mormons who are seen as more socially conservative.

As for why many people don’t look favorably on Islam and, as a result, Muslims in general, I think it’s pretty obvious.

bluegill on July 16, 2014 at 10:09 PM

People of other religions aren’t bothered as much by Catholics because they don’t think Catholics are serious about their religion. Most Catholics are just Catholic in name only.

bluegill on July 16, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Where are the muslim answers? To hateful to post?

Ronnie on July 16, 2014 at 10:11 PM

coolrepublica on July 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM

…we know…you don’t like Joooos!

JugEarsButtHurt on July 16, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Besides politics, many Jews are wary of Christians because of a perception that any Christian support for Jews in general and Israel in particular is only because they want to evangelize us and get us to convert to Christianity. And some of it is that Jews think that Christians believe that we (the Jewish people) all must die or convert in order for Jesus to return in the second coming.

I’m not saying that the Jews are ACCURATE in our understanding of what Evangelical Christians believe. Just that the perception of ulterior motives is there.

aunursa on July 16, 2014 at 9:35 PM

There is truth in what you say aunursa, but it strikes me as more than a little Christophobic.

Jews think that Christians believe that we (the Jewish people) all must die or convert in order for Jesus to return in the second coming.

And doesn’t that strike you as a correctable misrepresentation of Christian eschatology?

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One wonders then about the ongoing lovefest many atheists (and too many Jews) have for Nietzsche who argued in effect that the Jewish people all must die so as to put an end to the Jewish slave morality that ruined pagan Europe. (Empathy for the victim of oppression = Jewish slave morality, said Nietzsche)

Mike OMalley on July 16, 2014 at 10:12 PM

crosshugger on July 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Don’t cling to illusions.

DarkCurrent on July 16, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Where are the muslim answers? To hateful to post?

Ronnie on July 16, 2014 at 10:11 PM

They can’t argue with the truth. Especially when we can point to a different atrocity nearly every single day.

Plus the, “it’s the radicals hijacking the religion”, excuse is about as old and busted as Obama’s minions accusing someone of racism.

Today, anyone not looking through the rose-colored glasses of liberalism or a CAIR spokesperson, knows the underlying cause of ALL the Muslim atrocities worldwide is the cult of Islam itself.

Meople on July 16, 2014 at 10:22 PM

This is all people have to read to understand how twisted therelationship between evangelicals and Jews is. Evangelicals will go to the end of the Earth to save the Jews. Jews could care less about the former unless they need them to call their congressmen to lobby for more patriot missiles. lol
coolrepublica on July 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM

You seem to display anti-Jewish sentiment in several threads. Anyway, I think you may be mistaking behavior motivated by political identification as behavior which is the result of religious belief.

Most Jews are Democrat. It is their Democrat identification that is the issue here, not their Jewishness.

Atheists gave Mormons and Evangelical Christians a lower rating than Muslims (!). That says it all. It’s about politics.

As for me, I would give all the groups favorable ratings except for Muslims.

bluegill on July 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Evangelicals, meanwhile, gave atheists a rating of 25, the lowest number on the board. Maybe that’s a reaction to perceived political power too, although I tend to think it’s more an expression of pure disdain for the godless.

Im looking forward to the first movie that uses “Buddha” or “Mohammed” in the same way as “Jesus Christ”.

Nutstuyu on July 16, 2014 at 10:24 PM

islam: The Greatest Murder Machine in History

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html

Pork-Chop on July 16, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Yep, but the new left would rather focus on the 4,000 people killed during 130 years of the Spanish Inquisition.

slickwillie2001 on July 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Don’t be an idiot. It’s a matter of historical record that there was a lot of historical antisemitism among Catholics. Martin Luther, by the way, was a Catholic priest until he nailed his ’95 Theses’ to the church door…
There Goes the Neighborhood on July 16, 2014 at 9:45 PM

But Luther’s virulent antisemitic emerged late in his life only after Luther was excommunicated. First Luther demonized Pope after Pope starting with philosemitic Pope Leo X.

Mike OMalley on July 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Religious group? hmm thought atheists believed in nothing

sadsushi on July 16, 2014 at 8:59 PM

They do believe in their own sanctimoniousness.

SubmarineDoc on July 16, 2014 at 10:30 PM

There is truth in what you say aunursa, but it strikes me as more than a little Christophobic.

For many Jews, the only time that Evangelicals seem to pay attention to us is when they come knocking on our door to share the GOOD NEWS (as if we’re visitors from another planet who are completely ignorant about anything Christian) and and ask us why we would choose hell over Him.

And doesn’t that strike you as a correctable misrepresentation of Christian eschatology?

I’ve come across quite a bit of Christian misunderstanding of what Jews do or do not believe. I’m sure there’s a lot of ignorance on all sides.

aunursa on July 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM

The only way to understand the founding and to access fundamental guiding principles for living as man (i.e. morality) is to appreciate, value and pre-suppose that the mind can grasp the facts of reality. The man who accepts faith as a primary virtue is the opposite of this.

beselfish on July 16, 2014 at 10:32 PM

But I don’t understand the animus towards atheists, we have all been moved by the shelters for the homeless, the hospitals they have built, the reaching out to the people who are displaced by tragedy…they have shown how worthy they are, by the huge investment they have made to society…..

HAHAHAHAHA!! I crack myself up sometimes….

right2bright on July 16, 2014 at 8:50 PM

You win the thread.

John the Libertarian on July 16, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Yep, but the new left would rather focus on the 4,000 people killed during 130 years of the Spanish Inquisition.

slickwillie2001 on July 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Yep.

BTW, more recent research suggests a number lower than 4,000. The Spanish Inquisition investigated approximately 125,000 persons. The conviction/execution rate ranged from between 1.1% to 2% of those investigated. You can do the math. Of those 125,000 investigated 25% were of Muslim extraction. Many secret Muslims among the Catholic converso communities in Spain appear to have been supporting genocidal Islamic razias (jihad) along the Spanish coasts.

Mike OMalley on July 16, 2014 at 10:38 PM

And only one group will be right when its over. ONE.

hillsoftx on July 16, 2014 at 10:40 PM

But I don’t understand the animus towards atheists, we have all been moved by the shelters for the homeless, the hospitals they have built, the reaching out to the people who are displaced by tragedy…they have shown how worthy they are, by the huge investment they have made to society…..

HAHAHAHAHA!! I crack myself up sometimes….

right2bright on July 16, 2014 at 8:50 PM

communists, collectivists, authoritarian thugs like our President, hate religion because they want you to give up your rights in the name of the collective. Religion asks that you give up your rights in the name of God.

Atheism simply asks that you keep your mysticism away from them. I suppose their gratuitous mocking of religion and it’s rituals is unnecessary but, atheism is not about politics and doesn’t necessarily indicate what your politics will be. Why you religious conservatives lump the two together is confusing.

beselfish on July 16, 2014 at 10:42 PM

And only one group will be right when its over. ONE.

hillsoftx on July 16, 2014 at 10:40 PM

You gotta love exclusive Christians. They really embrace the love, acceptance and forgiveness of Jesus so well, don’t they?

John the Libertarian on July 16, 2014 at 10:43 PM

For many Jews, the only time that Evangelicals seem to pay attention to us is when they come knocking on our door to share the GOOD NEWS (as if we’re visitors from another planet who are completely ignorant about anything Christian) and and ask us why we would choose hell over Him.

Chuckle … but they knock on everybody’s door! I’m Catholic and they’d ask me why I would choose hell over Him!

I’ve come across quite a bit of Christian misunderstanding of what Jews do or do not believe. I’m sure there’s a lot of ignorance on all sides.

aunursa on July 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Yes indeed, right you are bro ;-)

Mike OMalley on July 16, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Religion asks that you give up your rights in the name of God.

Why you religious conservatives lump the two together is confusing.

beselfish on July 16, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Religion doesn’t ask you to do this.

Religious conservatives don’t do this, either. Communism brings atheism to the masses.

John the Libertarian on July 16, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Communism brings atheism to the masses.

John the Libertarian on July 16, 2014 at 10:46 PM

precisely because they need you to give up your rights in the name of the collective. Not because atheism logically brings you to the conclusion that communism is good politics.

therefore to say that atheists are necessarily communists/collective thugs is a mistake.

beselfish on July 16, 2014 at 10:49 PM

The only way to understand the founding and to access fundamental guiding principles for living as man (i.e. morality) is to appreciate, value and pre-suppose that the mind can grasp the facts of reality. The man who accepts faith as a primary virtue is the opposite of this.

beselfish on July 16, 2014 at 10:32 PM

I have a couple of questions about your (allegedly) faith-free existence:

1. Do you believe in electrons?
2. Ever see one?

There is a certain amount of stuff that we have to take on faith just to make it out the door in the morning.

SubmarineDoc on July 16, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Besides politics, many Jews are wary of Christians because of a perception that any Christian support for Jews in general and Israel in particular is only because they want to evangelize us and get us to convert to Christianity. And some of it is that Jews think that Christians believe that we (the Jewish people) all must die or convert in order for Jesus to return in the second coming.
aunursa on July 16, 2014 at 9:35 PM

That’s fair enough I suppose and I appreciate your candor. FYI I was never taught that Jews had to die to bring about the second coming. I think you are thinking of the Hidden Imam.
I support Israel because I’ve been there. It was the only place in the Middle East where I could walk down the street with an uncovered girl without being leered at or having her grabbed at and the only place where I could get a beer without a hassle. It was an oasis of success in a land of excuses and the people had guts, the skateboard kids were soldiers on leave, rolling in the park with their Uzis. You couldn’t get away with that in Dallas let alone Boston or NY.
Since American Jews voted for an administration that has ended sanctions that were working on Iran, didn’t lift a finger to aid the Iranian uprising, put Samantha Power in as our ambassador to the UN and cut the legs out from under Mubarak, since American Jews voted for this 3 to 1 what am I supposed to think about their commitment to the Jewish state? Or, no offense, to any state?
I know, there’s more to it than that and you aren’t the spokesperson for religion, but we were talking about perceptions.

V7_Sport on July 16, 2014 at 11:16 PM

The only way to understand the founding and to access fundamental guiding principles for living as man (i.e. morality) is to appreciate, value and pre-suppose that the mind can grasp the facts of reality. The man who accepts faith as a primary virtue is the opposite of this.

beselfish on July 16, 2014 at 10:32 PM

Very well said.

DarkCurrent on July 16, 2014 at 11:29 PM

And only one group will be right when its over. ONE.

hillsoftx on July 16, 2014 at 10:40 PM

I’ve heard that not long before he died George Burns was baptized because he wanted “to cover all the bases.”

viking01 on July 16, 2014 at 11:46 PM

therefore to say that atheists are necessarily communists/collective thugs is a mistake.

beselfish on July 16, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Agreed. The real divide and battle is between individualists and control freaks.

John the Libertarian on July 16, 2014 at 11:48 PM

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 16, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Riiiight and evangelical protestants have been sooo innocent for 500 years.

But Luther’s virulent antisemitic emerged late in his life only after Luther was excommunicated. First Luther demonized Pope after Pope starting with philosemitic Pope Leo X.

Mike OMalley on July 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM

The problem is that facts like this don’t deter the anti-Catholic bigotry on Hot Air.

Lay-Z on July 17, 2014 at 12:12 AM

And only one group will be right when its over. ONE.

hillsoftx on July 16, 2014 at 10:40 PM

You gotta love exclusive Christians. They really embrace the love, acceptance and forgiveness of Jesus so well, don’t they?

John the Libertarian on July 16, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Exclusivity is baked into the Christian faith:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh unto the Father but by me. John 14:6

But it’s worth pointing out that the exclusivity is centered around Jesus Christ homself, not a particular group.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 17, 2014 at 12:25 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 16, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Riiiight and evangelical protestants have been sooo innocent for 500 years.

But Luther’s virulent antisemitic emerged late in his life only after Luther was excommunicated. First Luther demonized Pope after Pope starting with philosemitic Pope Leo X.

Mike OMalley on July 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM

The problem is that facts like this don’t deter the anti-Catholic bigotry on Hot Air.

Lay-Z on July 17, 2014 at 12:12 AM

If you really want to defend the overall Catholic record on antisemitism, be my guest. Just don’t try to pretend that it never existed, or that it didn’t color Jewish perceptions of Christianity.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM

coolrepublica on July 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM

BS!
I’m a cradle-conservative Jew born to cradle-conservative Jews.
What’s left of my family are full-born leftys-my son excluded my brother included-and I’m ‘dead’ to them.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 17, 2014 at 12:30 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 17, 2014 at 12:29 AM

I’ve been both Protestant and Catholic. Both groups have many good people and I’d much rather associate with Christians than leftist Jews.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 17, 2014 at 12:32 AM

I’m Jewish and I’m bummed that Jews have such low regard for evangelical Christians though I understand the historical reasons behind it. Being part of a tradition that goes back 3-4000 years is a blessing but it can also be a curse because some of us cannot selectively let go of all the stuff that has happened in that time. For my own part I’m extremely appreciative of the US and am very glad that my grandfather came here, by himself at the age of 14, because otherwise my parents would have been murdered and I would never have been born since like most American Jews I trace my ancestry to the part of Europe most directly targeted by the Nazis.

It is still amazing to me that Jews are the *most* popular group – not consistent with our historical record! But the US is an *exceptional* country and there’s nothing wrong with that, Kerry!

FOAF on July 17, 2014 at 12:53 AM

I’m a cradle-conservative Jew born to cradle-conservative Jews.
What’s left of my family are full-born leftys-my son excluded my brother included-and I’m ‘dead’ to them.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 17, 2014 at 12:30 AM

I thought you were a Christian?

DarkCurrent on July 17, 2014 at 1:01 AM

DarkCurrent on July 17, 2014 at 1:01 AM

My son’s visit to the ‘vast European graveyard’ and the kidnapping/ later murder of those 3 boys really did a number on me. I was born Jewish-but you know that.
I’m considering moving to Israel.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 17, 2014 at 1:08 AM

I’m considering moving to Israel.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 17, 2014 at 1:08 AM

You should visit first. It’s a nice place.

DarkCurrent on July 17, 2014 at 1:15 AM

Atheism is a religion? Really? How can there be a religion without a god of some sort?

HiJack on July 17, 2014 at 1:42 AM

Mormons still practice polygamy.

D&C 132

I know plenty of men who were “sealed” to one wife, then after she died, got “sealed” to another.

Oh, but women can’t be married to more than one man. Sorry ladies!

As soon as polygamy becomes legal again, you can bet that the Mormon church will slowly bring back “the principle”. Which was secretly passed on to underground mormon groups by the mormon apostle John Taylor.

Mormons are diet-cult. All the flavor of a real cult, but without all the calories.

johnnyboy on July 17, 2014 at 2:12 AM

We can’t do better than a 48 for Mormons, America?

Seriously folks, we Mormons are pretty awesome.

fragglerock61 on July 16, 2014 at 9:01 PM

If awesome =

clannish (in some ways more like an Amway multi-level system than a religion),

secretive (temple rituals forbidden to us outsiders–even weddings),

encouraging of divorce (if one spouse decides to stop believing in the planet Kolob, millions of gods, & a fairly recent advanced civilization of many millions in the New World that is undetectable by archaeologists), &

deception (for example, http://mormonexpression.com/blogs/2011/07/09/more-than-6-of-temple-married-mormons-get-divorced/ )

itsnotaboutme on July 17, 2014 at 2:50 AM

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