Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on July 15, 2014 by Allahpundit

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul might be onto something…

As troubles mount overseas, the Republicans’ once-steadfast support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has crumbled since President Barack Obama was sworn in for a second term, according to the results of a June Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll and a related Journal/NBC/Annenberg Survey…

These deteriorating numbers for both wars coincide with a growing belief in the country as a whole that the U.S. should shrink from the world stage, as Iraq erupts in sectarian violence, tensions simmer in Ukraine and a civil war grinds on in Syria. For years, the wars were in Iraq and Afghanistan were a polarizing issue, “but now there’s a surprisingly level of agreement,” said Micah Roberts, a Republican who helps conduct the Journal poll.

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The preemptive strikes suggest that many in GOP fear Paul is winning the foreign policy argument with the American people — and that that could make him a formidable candidate in 2016. After all, second-tier presidential hopefuls don’t usually get shouted down this way.

“I think the general fear on the part of a lot of leaders in the Republican Party is that there’s an isolationist temptation after two big wars, an isolationist temptation in the American electorate,” said Elliott Abrams, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations who was a deputy national security adviser in the George W. Bush administration. “And I think people are genuinely concerned about it and desirous of trying to stop it before it spreads further.”…

The hawks don’t doubt that there are some Republicans who share Paul’s views. But they’re concerned that, in the heat of a presidential campaign, the coverage will make the foreign policy debate within the GOP sound more evenly divided than it really is.

“I think there is a fear that you’re going to see a million stories saying the Republican Party is divided between two views — the Rand Paul view and the other view — as if it were a 50-50 thing, rather than Paul being isolated on the fringe,” Abrams said.

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Other foreign policy experts within the party seized the opportunity to suggest that the GOP needs, as a matter of both national security and electoral strategy, to move beyond the interventionism of the Iraq War era. Paul himself is fond of noting that Fox News’ Megyn Kelly told former Vice President Cheney, in an on-air interview last month, that that “history has proven that you got it wrong” on Iraq.

“He’s doing a lot to spark debate and to not just fall into step with the traditional military-industrial complex establishment,” said Elise Jordan, a former State Department speechwriter during the second Bush-Cheney term. “I don’t think that anything about Rand Paul is necessarily that different from the classical realist, which is how I would categorize Condoleezza Rice and a lot of the bright stars of Republican foreign policy over the years.”

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What Paul is proposing is that he is the Republican candidate willing (and able) to handle the party’s long-delayed reckoning with the war in Iraq. That conflict, premised on the false idea that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, has never been fully litigated within the GOP. President George W. Bush spent his time in office defending this rightness of the effort, and the party’s 2008 presidential nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain, was arguably even more hawkish than Bush on Iraq. In the aftermath of the 2008 loss, the voice that filled the leadership vacuum for Republicans was former Vice President Dick Cheney, who steadfastly defended the policies of the Bush Administration. Four years later, the struggles of the domestic economy pushed discussion of Iraq (or any other foreign policy issues) out of the public’s collective consciousness…

What Paul is arguing is that the war in Iraq was a mistake because his party (and many Democrats) didn’t take the time to think through all of the consequences of it beforehand. And that being the most powerful nation in the world doesn’t mean that always taking the most muscular option when it comes to dealing with other countries is the right thing to do.

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“This whole thing comes down to one Nevada billionaire,” said Rick Wilson, a GOP strategist who worked on Rudy Giuliani’s 2008 presidential campaign. “This is the Sheldon Adelson primary playing out. [Perry] is drawing a distinction between two very different visions of the party.”

Adelson, a casino magnate, helped bankroll Newt Gingrich’s and later Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential run, and is a fervent supporter of Israel. Hence the persistent line of attack on Paul that his lack of support for beefing up the American military would endanger the Jewish state…

“Ten years ago the right of the party was the hawkish part of the party. That has changed,” said Doug Stafford, a former Paul chief of staff who now runs a Paul super PAC. “The base, the Tea Party, conservatives see the overreach and costs, and they don’t want endless foreign interventions, and good luck running for president out of step with the right of the party.”…

“He is pulling away, so they have to start attacking him,” said Wead. “I think there is a little bit of panic setting in.”

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Perry’s attack on Paul is obviously tactical. He has noticed that a lot of hawkish Republicans are furious with Paul, so he has decided to leverage himself some media attention and political support by going on the offensive…

The debate between these two men is distracting because one senses that neither will be their party’s nominee in 2016. Perry because, whatever his accomplishments as a governor, he comes across on the national stage as shallow. Paul because he is too philosophical and can be too easily labeled a maverick libertarian…

All of which suggests that the Republicans are in danger of forgetting who their real enemy is: the Democratic Party. Fascinating though these intellectual back-and-forths are, they contribute to the impression that the Republicans are cracking up as they obsessively strive for an official conservative ideological purity that they will never actually discover — because it doesn’t exist.

Conservatism is traditionally about a spirit or an approach to governing, not a list of commandments that must be defined every four years in an internal party spat that has all the ferocity and counting of angels on a pinhead of a religious war.

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Perry is right that in other ways, Paul is hardly Reagan’s foreign-policy clone. Paul, for instance, zealously advocates congressional limitations on a president’s national-security powers. Reagan, by contrast, oversaw the Iran-Contra scheme, which subverted Congress’s efforts to bar aid to Nicaragua’s anti-communist rebels.

Paul likes to quote George Kennan on the importance of distinguishing between those parts of the world where America has vital interests and those where it does not. That wasn’t Reagan’s style. As Perry points out, Reagan “identified Soviet communism as an existential threat to our national security and Western values, and he confronted this threat in every theater” (my emphasis). For Reagan, confronting Soviet communism meant denouncing it rhetorically and arming anti-communist rebels and regimes, not sending U.S. troops into other countries. But he took this approach virtually everywhere. For a Kennanite like Rand Paul, it doesn’t much matter who controls Angola. For Reagan, it absolutely did. Unlike Paul, Reagan also wasn’t concerned about how much his foreign policy cost.

So what would a Reaganite strategy against “radical Islam” look like? Based on Reagan’s record, particularly in his first term, it would be expensive, indiscriminate, rhetorically aggressive, hostile to congressional oversight, and cautious about deploying U.S. troops. It would, in other words, be a mess. Reagan was lucky enough to take office after Richard Nixon had exploited the Sino-Soviet rift and stopped treating communism as a unified menace. Even so, Reagan turned nearly every third-world civil war into a showdown between East and West, dramatically escalating the brutality of these conflicts even though struggles in places like Angola and Nicaragua were ultimately irrelevant to the course of the Cold War.

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Unlike Perry, I oppose sending American troops back into Iraq. After a decade of the United States training the Iraq’s military, when confronted by the enemy, the Iraqis dropped their weapons, shed their uniforms and hid. Our soldiers’ hard work and sacrifice should be worth more than that. Our military is too good for that.

I ask Governor Perry: How many Americans should send their sons or daughters to die for a foreign country—a nation the Iraqis won’t defend for themselves? How many Texan mothers and fathers will Governor Perry ask to send their children to fight in Iraq?

I will not hold my breath for an answer. If refusing to send Americans to die for a country that refuses to defend itself makes one an “isolationist,” then perhaps it’s time we finally retire that pejorative.

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Good morning HA

cmsinaz on July 16, 2014 at 7:17 AM

It would be great if Hotair would sponsor a blog that could discuss the virtues(or not) of people and ideas that have had a profound influence on our culture and politics.

Most Americans are not aware of the influence of Friedrich Nietzsche
on religion and philosophy even to this day.

It’s not enough to say Obama sucks.

celtic warrior on July 16, 2014 at 7:19 AM

Good morning Sir Axe.

celtic warrior on July 16, 2014 at 7:20 AM

Great take kj

Our own average joe
:)

cmsinaz on July 16, 2014 at 7:21 AM

My take: Sec. John Kerry Gets Uptight When He Hears of “American Exceptionalism”. My Reply.

kingsjester on July 16, 2014 at 7:08 AM

They don’t understand what we mean by exceptional. We are, or used to be, the keeper of the flame of democracy. Other countries looked up to us as the standard that they should aspire to. The socialists hate that because they attach principal to religion and they hate religions other than their own.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 7:21 AM

clenched jawed NYT columnist not believing 6.1% unemployment…..microsoft laying off people/underemployment.

willie dumbfounded…wants her to clarify. the rich richer and the poor poorer.

the bespectacled dwarf points out that the housing market is going down.

obama policies are yet to be blamed.

morning all! and cmsinaz:)

renalin on July 16, 2014 at 7:29 AM

It was a wonderful dream! Why do you want to destroy it?

celtic warrior on July 16, 2014 at 7:00 AM

Dreamkilling. It’s what I do! ;0

Happy Nomad on July 16, 2014 at 7:32 AM

Good morning Sir Axe.

celtic warrior on July 16, 2014 at 7:20 AM

Good morning, Celtic Warrior.

May all your enemies die the death; may you and yours enjoy the highest honor: to turn the battle, at the gate.

I’ll be napping under that tree.

– and I shall dream of stars.

Axe on July 16, 2014 at 7:36 AM

I have always been skeptical of people who claim continual flash backs to their time in combat. I must admit however,I do sometimes hear that horrible rhythmic sound of chopper blades.

celtic warrior on July 16, 2014 at 7:38 AM

Morning renalin…..no one will blame him will they

cmsinaz on July 16, 2014 at 7:40 AM

1) 0 emboldened our enemies by signalling surrender. At this point, pulling our remaining troops and regrouping is a realistic option. It sucks, it hurts me to say it, but by the time the worthless one is gone, that may be the only practical option.
2) WMD has fueled endless arguments over the course in Iraq. Had we not thrown in the towel on trying to get a working government, we might have been in a vastly better place than we are now, or where we would have been had we not taken out Saddam.
3) As soon as we have the Senate…impeach 0 and Holder. Biden can’t be worse, I don’t think Joe actually hates America.

hertfordkc on July 16, 2014 at 7:57 AM

cmsinaz on July 16, 2014 at 7:21 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 7:21 AM

They understand. And, their values are opposed to it. That is why they are doing everything in their power to diminish it and eventually, to destroy it.

kingsjester on July 16, 2014 at 7:58 AM

I expect this rhetoric from a democrat/commie. Rand; the US Military is an all-volunteer force! Stop treating them like children. I am pretty sure that when a brave soul signs up, they know that there is a possibility of being in theater.

can_con on July 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM

Do you realize that we are a “flick of the pen” away from an
all volunteer army? Vietnam was not fought by volunteers.

Additionally, just because a “brave soul” chooses the military
as his/her career, that should not mean that they are choosing
death because our government sends them to wars that 1) are
prolonged for a decade and 2) are ill prepared in whatever manner
our a$$hats in Washington spent our tax dollars.

Amjean on July 16, 2014 at 8:00 AM

Someday we should discuss how flatulence impacts politics.

celtic warrior on July 16, 2014 at 8:04 AM

Additionally, just because a “brave soul” chooses the military as his/her career, that should not mean that they are choosing death because our government sends them to wars that 1) are prolonged for a decade and 2) are ill prepared in whatever manner our a$$hats in Washington spent our tax dollars.

Amjean on July 16, 2014 at 8:00 AM

Funny how service to the nation never comes up in your stupid rant. You filthy idiots disgust me with your “military as employer of last resort” dogma. As if the men and women choosing to serve in uniform are too damned stupid to understand that they might be facing combat in a conflict so unpopular with liberals that they do happy dances when the number of dead soldiers ticks over a milestone number.

Happy Nomad on July 16, 2014 at 8:08 AM

And there you have it. This is all about religious war. You’re just winning (or whining?). That’s all it is. You accuse the Muslims of blindly following their faith to violence. And here you are, saying that the violent act that was the creation of Israel. And no matter how you slice it, it was an extremely violent act, is just justified because of what your God promise(d) Abraham. Your particular religious belief. And that’s really why American social conservatives support Israel. Not because they actually look at what the Israeli state does and says “that seems OK ot me.” It’s because Isreal has to be right, because their God says that it must be so. We don’t (want) Sharia law to sneak in, it’s already here.

libfreeordie on July 16, 2014 at 1:00 AM

.
Before Muhammad and “Allah” were, God is.
.
Israel was perfectly tolerant of the non-Israeli population in Gaza, before the rockets started flying in from there.
.
The prophecies recorded by Daniel (book of “Daniel” and John (in The Revelation) are going to fulfill themselves to the dotting of every “i” and crossing of every “t”.
.
All you can do is scream in defiance, until you’re face to face with God … then it’s too late.
Spending eternity wishing you’d never been born, really sucks … beyond belief.
.
You need to experience REAL “Sharia Law” before you go saying something else, as stupid as that.

listens2glenn on July 16, 2014 at 8:10 AM

I have always been skeptical of people who claim continual flash backs to their time in combat. I must admit however,I do sometimes hear that horrible rhythmic sound of chopper blades.

celtic warrior on July 16, 2014 at 7:38 AM

I’ve often wondered about that. My brother was in Vietnam but he was in military intelligence so he never talked about what he did. He didn’t seem to have any demons but he didn’t get shot or have to shoot anybody.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:12 AM

Funny how service to the nation never comes up in your stupid rant. You filthy idiots disgust me with your “military as employer of last resort” dogma. As if the men and women choosing to serve in uniform are too damned stupid to understand that they might be facing combat in a conflict so unpopular with liberals that they do happy dances when the number of dead soldiers ticks over a milestone number.

Happy Nomad on July 16, 2014 at 8:08 AM

I have a friend who thinks all soldiers are mentally ill.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:16 AM

Funny how service to the nation never comes up in your stupid rant. You filthy idiots disgust me with your “military as employer of last resort” dogma. As if the men and women choosing to serve in uniform are too damned stupid to understand that they might be facing combat in a conflict so unpopular with liberals that they do happy dances when the number of dead soldiers ticks over a milestone number.

Happy Nomad on July 16, 2014 at 8:08 AM

See, service to the nation is kinda implied. Of course, I for one have always believed that real patriotism, like real money, doesn’t have to shout.

And the only way I’d think our service members are stupid is if they saw a war they were involved in, so unpopular with the nation as a whole that it cost a political party its majority in government, and didn’t wonder “Is this war really worth it?”…

JohnGalt23 on July 16, 2014 at 8:35 AM

Crazy stuff happening. This has probably already been posted somewhere…

Illegals Arrive in Bus and Shop at Walmart With EBT Cards

Fallon on July 16, 2014 at 8:40 AM

Dishonesty As Policy

As with the use of violence, the use of lies to achieve success automatically poisons whatever good may have been had through one’s efforts. The elites commonly shrug off this logic by convincing each other that there is such a thing as a “noble lie” (both Saul Alinsky and Leo Strauss, the gatekeepers of the false left/right paradigm, promoted the use of “noble lies”) and that the masses need to be misled so that they can be fooled into doing what is best for themselves and the world. This is, of course, a sociopathic game of self-aggrandizement.

Lies are rarely, if ever, exploited by people who want to make the lives of other men better; lies are used by people who want to make their own lives better at the expense of others. Add to this the egomaniacal assertion that the elites are lying for “our own good” when they are actually only out to elevate their power, and what you get is a stereotypical abusive relationship on a global scale…

An interesting read.

Fallon on July 16, 2014 at 8:48 AM

The governor of Oklahoma was on Fox. She says they let her in but she only saw what they wanted her to and she had to ask them if she could speak to any of the illegals. She says she doesn’t know what to do about all the illegals crowding the schools. Come on lady, stand up and take charge. The idea that anyone could tell the governor of the state who she can talk to and what she can see is ludicrous. As for the schools, the state is in charge of them. Take charge.

We’re way past going through channels and working with the laws.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 9:46 AM

listens2glenn on July 16, 2014 at 8:10 AM

You speak the truth, my friend…the libiot troll is so separated from God that nothing can convince him of his folly until that day when he stands in a puddle of his own urine before the Lord.

bimmcorp on July 16, 2014 at 10:01 AM

See, service to the nation is kinda implied. Of course, I for one have always believed that real patriotism, like real money, doesn’t have to shout.

And the only way I’d think our service members are stupid is if they saw a war they were involved in, so unpopular with the nation as a whole that it cost a political party its majority in government, and didn’t wonder “Is this war really worth it?”…

JohnGalt23 on July 16, 2014 at 8:35 AM

Might be the most stupid comment I’ve ever read referring to the military.

hawkdriver on July 16, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Additionally, just because a “brave soul” chooses the military as his/her career, that should not mean that they are choosing death because our government sends them to wars that 1) are prolonged for a decade and 2) are ill prepared in whatever manner our a$$hats in Washington spent our tax dollars.

Amjean on July 16, 2014 at 8:00 AM

Funny how service to the nation never comes up in your stupid rant. You filthy idiots disgust me with your “military as employer of last resort” dogma. As if the men and women choosing to serve in uniform are too damned stupid to understand that they might be facing combat in a conflict so unpopular with liberals that they do happy dances when the number of dead soldiers ticks over a milestone number.

Happy Nomad on July 16, 2014 at 8:08 AM

You may be “happy”, however, you certainly do not display any
intelligence with your nonsense. “Filthy idiots”? You are a dumba$$. Don’t bother to respond because I am not going to waste
my valuable time sparring with an idiot.

Amjean on July 16, 2014 at 11:32 AM

See, service to the nation is kinda implied. Of course, I for one have always believed that real patriotism, like real money, doesn’t have to shout.

And the only way I’d think our service members are stupid is if they saw a war they were involved in, so unpopular with the nation as a whole that it cost a political party its majority in government, and didn’t wonder “Is this war really worth it?”…

JohnGalt23 on July 16, 2014 at 8:35 AM

Might be the most stupid comment I’ve ever read referring to the military.

hawkdriver on July 16, 2014 at 10:51 AM

I don’t think JohnGalt23 meant it the way you took it. Not putting
words in his mouth, however, I am sure that many in the military
do their jobs well, all the while thinking, “if I knew what I know
now. If I knew that our politicians were some of the dumbest, most self serving morons on the planet, trying to run the war from
Washington, I am not sure I would have signed up.”

After Clinton got done with decimating our military; one of my
friends, a Lt. Colonel in the Army, came back from Bosnia and
retired immediately along with many of his friends. It seems that
the military didn’t have spare parts for their equipment and they
knew that the whole thing was Clinton kabuki theatre anyway.

Most of the military are great people and give great sacrifice
for their country. However, they deserve the best the USA can
give them to do their job.

Amjean on July 16, 2014 at 11:38 AM

“Ten years ago the right of the party was the hawkish part of the party. That has changed,” said Doug Stafford, a former Paul chief of staff who now runs a Paul super PAC. “The base, the Tea Party, conservatives see the overreach and costs, and they don’t want endless foreign interventions, and good luck running for president out of step with the right of the party.”…

Interesting considering that Rand Paul supports Cochran and McConnell, and any other GOPe he can find…

Brock Robamney on July 16, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Rand Paul has already shown his proclivity for the GOPe. He’s shot himself in the foot so many times that he’ll have a hard time getting out of the starting blocks.

INC on July 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Oh really?

Poll: Rand Paul Leads the GOP Pack for 2016 — And Not By a Little

Rand Paul: 20%
Chris Christie: 13%
Jeb Bush: 13%
Scott Walker: 8%
Marco Rubio: 7%
Bobby Jindal: 4%
Suzanna Martinez: 1%
John Kasich: 1%
Nikki Haley: 1%

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2014/07/09/rand-paul-leads-the-gop-pack-for-2016-and-not-by-a-little/

I think Rand Paul is a good bet to win the GOP’s presidential nomination in 2016. Certainly a 1,000X more solid bet than Palin or Cruz. The Hot Air peanut gallery will make noise, but I think Romney’s nomination in 2012 despite the squeals of protest here show that internet comments just aren’t that relevant.

TheDriver on July 16, 2014 at 11:47 AM

I think Rand Paul is a good bet to win the GOP’s presidential nomination in 2016.

TheDriver on July 16, 2014 at 11:47 AM

You really think people will choose to back a first-time Senator for President again…right after our experiences with Obama?

Nah. People are more likely to go with a Governor this time.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 3:29 PM

goodafternoon HA…

45 years ago today the crew of Apollo 11 landed on the moon…
(I would like to thank God we were once a nation of hard working
people with wonderful ideas and big dreams)

http://www.space.com/26546-apollo-11-moon-landing-astronaut-video.html

you can purchase the ‘Space Pens Mark 45th Anniversary of First Moon Landing’ here

http://www.space.com/26543-apollo-11-moon-landing-space-pens.html

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 5:25 PM

for all you fellow 2nd amendment fans
HK has something new for your Christmas wish list..

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e29_1352371125

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 5:31 PM

car nuts…
when your shifting INTO 4th gear at 160mph…
you just know you bought the right car…

https://www.youtube.com/embed/gWAavCjVQvM?feature=player_detailpage

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 5:34 PM

a message from the troops…

http://www.iamatexan.com/blog/i-was-there-my-perspective-on-bowe-bergdahl/

and ….why haven’t our Texas friends posted this yet?..

http://www.iamatexan.com/

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 5:36 PM

on to…new word…

Ineptocracy..

a system of government where the
least capable to lead are elected by
the least capable of producing, and
where the members of society least
likely to sustain themselves or succeed,
are rewarded with goods and services
paid for by the confiscated wealth
of a diminishing number of producers.

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 5:40 PM

more silly space posts…

ideas wanted…

Ideas Wanted for NASA Mission to Jupiter’s Icy Moon Europa

http://www.space.com/26540-nasa-europa-mission-science-ideas.html

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Huge Meteorite on Mars Discovered by NASA’s Curiosity Rover

http://www.space.com/26533-curiosity-mars-rover-meteorite-photos.html

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 5:44 PM

more ideas needed..

Experimental Space Plane Designs Wanted by US Military

http://www.space.com/26529-experimental-military-space-plane-designs.html

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 5:45 PM

NASA Mars Orbiter Views Rover Crossing Into New Zone

(some great high definition pics here)

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/news/whatsnew/index.cfm?FuseAction=ShowNews&NewsID=1665

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Carina Nebula as seen from the Hubble telescope…

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA14444

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 5:49 PM

ever wonder what a laser shooting at a mars rock looks like..

NASA Rover’s Images Show Laser Flash on Martian Rock

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-232

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 5:51 PM

if your a ISS fan…
new apps help tell you when to ‘look up’ at night…

http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 5:54 PM

haven’t seen MT Rushmore in a while..?? live web cam

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/southdakota/keystone/mountrushmore/?cam=rushmore

perhaps sunset with the Statue of Liberty..

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/statueofliberty/?cam=liberty_str

live from Niagara falls..

http://www.earthcam.com/canada/niagarafalls/?cam=niagarafalls_str

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 6:02 PM

thank you to COL and OC for all your help with my hacked puter..
you are two very kind people…thank you again..

and also to those who asked about me…im fine…thank for your concern…

ps…I love ya mr Schad… always have….who doesn’t??…

cheers to you all..!!!

(notice no yelling or name calling in the afternoon…nice!! :o)—)

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 6:15 PM

wow..
16 posts..
20 links…

no yumping or yelling… blissful…ty

im off to buy a lotto ticket…

or chill the proper champagne… :o)

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 6:20 PM

You really think people will choose to back a first-time Senator for President again…right after our experiences with Obama?

Nah. People are more likely to go with a Governor this time.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 3:29 PM

You’re overestimating the intelligence of the voting public.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 6:20 PM

afternoon…. kind not-so-old lady…

here’s a lovely live aquarium of the pacific cam.. enjoy..!!

http://www.aquariumofpacific.org/exhibits/tropical_pacific_gallery/webcam_tropical_reef

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 6:35 PM

some bears from Brooks Falls maybe..
(this is a cool view.. unless your a fish)

http://explore.org/live-cams/player/brown-bear-salmon-cam-brooks-falls

lower river…
(looks windy today)

http://explore.org/live-cams/player/brown-bear-salmon-cam-lower-river

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 6:48 PM

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Good to see you back, G2M!

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Amjean on July 16, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Didn’t follow much of that as it might apply to what “John” said. (wink, wink)

The point is the military doesn’t change it’s opinion based on public opinion. That’s what “John” will never get. He wasn’t there. Why the hell would someone who had formed an intelligent opinion about the conflict being “there” have his opinion changed by someone, anyone “not there”.

Come on. Without a doubt a stupid comment.

hawkdriver on July 16, 2014 at 7:22 PM

after noon ln…
ty,,.. I didn’t leave… I just didn’t post..
between my poor posting/writing skills and
the daily nipping here….
I just didn’t think silly space posts were worth it..
nice to see you… hope you are well…
any favorite animals you’d like to see??

elephants are majestic..

http://explore.org/live-cams/player/african-river-wildlife-camera

giraffes are magnificent..

http://explore.org/live-cams/player/african-animal-lookout-camera

hippos are cute

http://explore.org/live-cams/player/african-watering-hole-animal-camera

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Anyone at HA with blogs of their own planning to cover the protests on Friday and/or Saturday? It wouldn’t be hard to do.

You could contact some of the groups through the FB pages and ask them if they’ll be posting pics during the day. Let them know you want to blog it. Follow the pics and comments via FB and Twitter. Do a running blog about it ala Twitchy style. Link your blog forum back to the FB pages.

Just a thought.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 7:25 PM

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Got anything from the Australian outback, G2M?

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Anyone at HA with blogs of their own planning to cover the protests on Friday and/or Saturday? It wouldn’t be hard to do.

You could contact some of the groups through the FB pages and ask them if they’ll be posting pics during the day. Let them know you want to blog it. Follow the pics and comments via FB and Twitter. Do a running blog about it ala Twitchy style. Link your blog forum back to the FB pages.

Just a thought.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 7:25 PM

sorry..i’ll hush up so you can post important stuffs…
we have a protest here (ht.schad) in Lansing …im going sat I think…
should we take pics??
if I cave no cell phone .. I don’t tweet… or face book.. or blog
is there a place to dump jpegs too??

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:32 PM

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Please, don’t hush on my account. What you, with your own particular skills and knowledge, add to HA with the pictures you post is your remind us of the beautiful things in this world we live in G2M. That’s a balm on troubled waters, in it’s own way. ;-)

As to the protests, I don’t know about posting the jpegs. That’s why I thought I would throw the idea out there now, in advance, so people could find out what options they have.

I’ve done one running blog style post before…a good while ago at RS. So I know it can be done. I don’t know what kind of coverage it might get from the media…not even the new media. But people with blogs of their own might want to cover it. They could even work in conjunction with each other if they wanted to, break it down into protest categories, and cross link between sites.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 7:37 PM

hippos are cute

http://explore.org/live-cams/player/african-watering-hole-animal-camera

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:23 PM

My niece’s little girl is crazy about hippos. You never know what they are going to focus on.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Got anything from the Australian outback, G2M?

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 7:29 PM

animals from the outback that walk on two legs or four??
koalas ok??

http://www.sandiegozoo.org/koalafornia/koalacam.html

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:48 PM

if I cave no cell phone .. I don’t tweet… or face book.. or blog
is there a place to dump jpegs too??

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:32 PM

If you know how to upload them to the computer you can email them to me and I’ll find a place to put them.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 7:49 PM

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:48 PM

I like the koalas. Do you ever use google earth?

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 7:44 PM

that is one clear camera from the watering hole…
they look graceful in the water..

it appears someone or something is zooming n scrolling it..

I like it…peaceful… do you have the sound up??

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM

I’ve done one running blog style post before…a good while ago at RS. So I know it can be done. I don’t know what kind of coverage it might get from the media…not even the new media. But people with blogs of their own might want to cover it. They could even work in conjunction with each other if they wanted to, break it down into protest categories, and cross link between sites.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 7:37 PM

There will probably be plenty of people taking pictures. The media websites might have photos.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM

the hippos are not live though… still great shots..

the bears from brooks falls were live.. no sound though…shrugs

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:53 PM

I like the koalas. Do you ever use google earth?

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM

its the only reason to go to google….isn’t it ?? maps, earth, street view…

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:54 PM

the hippos are not live though… still great shots..

the bears from brooks falls were live.. no sound though…shrugs

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:53 PM

It might be live some other time when it isn’t night. They show videos other times.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 7:55 PM

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 7:55 PM

I just love that lil guy on the bank right there…
I bet hugging a hippo is not recommended …is it..

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 7:57 PM

I’ve always wanted to travel but never had much opportunity to do so. Except for doing it vicariously, of course, LOL Some really great travel videos on youtube these days!

Here’s a train trip across Australia.

My grandkids and I watched a few of these together not long ago.

The Alps – Austria and Italy

We turned it into a game…’where do we want to go today’? Lots of fun!

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:03 PM

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM

I would think the more pictures posted
in as many places as we can would be a good thought..

a) you cant trust the press to do a proper job…
just not gonna happen..

b) if the Lansing protest I am going to is small 20 ppl lets say,
and the LSM runs it viral… we will need proof
that 10,000 or more showed up in some Texas place…or where ever..

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Yeah. What I was thinking of was pulling those various pictures/videos, etc together into one running blog entry. I can give you an example of what I mean, although I have to admit that I went overboard with it when I did mine.

This provides a central source of info that can be both encouraging and inspiring.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:09 PM

we will need proof
that 10,000 or more showed up in some Texas place…or where ever..

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM

True. Get a long shot showing the whole crowd. On tv they usually show a couple of people with signs.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:10 PM

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:03 PM

great aussie train trip….sighs…ty

I am going to try the Empire Builder some day…
from Chicago to the coast n back…

they have wi-fi so you could post and glide past some pretty country..

http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/446/794/Empire-Builder-050714.pdf

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:11 PM

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:11 PM

You might like this one, G2M

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:17 PM

We turned it into a game…’where do we want to go today’? Lots of fun!

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Most of my travel is done on tv or computer. I mostly like Europe or the southwest. A lot of people set up a travel blog just for one trip. You can do it on Blogspot or I think you can do it on Facebook.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:17 PM

This provides a central source of info that can be both encouraging and inspiring.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:09 PM

that was a great job, done well…congrats
I nominate you for the task…smiles..

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:18 PM

You might like this one, G2M

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Reminds me of the beginning of Charade where the train goes screaming by and a body is thrown off.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:20 PM

True. Get a long shot showing the whole crowd. On tv they usually show a couple of people with signs.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:10 PM

good idea… get a few whole crowd shots…
makes it rough for the LSM to say 50 ppl showed up…
they will say it any way…

I went to the 2009 9/12 tea party dc march…(what a day..!!)
and the press lied their BHO smoochin butts off on that one..

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:22 PM

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:17 PM

My father’s family was originally from Austria. Back a couple of centuries ago. The family surname is derived from this town.

I’m partial to that area of Europe. Although I like the men of Scotland…stubborn they are, even more than I am. ;-)

The strongest roots on my mother’s side were Cherokee.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:23 PM

This provides a central source of info that can be both encouraging and inspiring.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:09 PM

That’s fantastic. I know I was never able to find a picture or video of the whole thing. I guess nobody wanted to show how big it was.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:27 PM

You might like this one, G2M

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:17 PM

that is a train lover…
tons of shots, and he never go on one..
can you imagine if he actually got to ride one…
he better be wearing depends that day..

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:28 PM

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:18 PM

I could do the background and cover Friday (maybe) but not Saturday. I’m going to a Beach Festival (that isn’t at the beach) on Saturday with my “cousin” Mike (who isn’t blood related to me). Both of us are single, bored out of skulls of late, and enjoy activities like this. Lots of beach music, surf ‘n turf, cooking contest, shag dancing contest, bikini contest (Mike loves that one ;-)…just a day of fun all around. We’re going to break off and run up to Charlotte for the protest that afternoon, if the weather holds.

But I really thought that this would be great chance for some folks like RWM, OW, Axe, PnC (maybe), etc. Group project, maybe LOL.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:30 PM

The strongest roots on my mother’s side were Cherokee.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:23 PM

German and Scotch-Irish here with some possible Irish. I had some Irish move to England and then here. So I don’t know whether they are Irish or English.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:30 PM

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:23 PM

looks like a fairy tail place…
(old old old Architecture is the best)
I know Dieter Quester….is that close??

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:33 PM

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Thanks. I had a lot of fun doing it!

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:28 PM

The only time I’ve ridden on one was when I was in the UK. Really wishing I had the opportunity to get a Euro pass and go exploring, but I was the only female on the team, they wouldn’t let me go by myself, and they didn’t want to go either.

I did get to make short trips to Newcastle and York by myself. Really enjoyed it.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:34 PM

I knew a guy in England. He liked taking pictures and putting them on the internet. He had some really nice websites. He would say things like this building was remodeled in 1600. He died and eventually his websites were gone and his wife wasn’t interested.

He ws like Hyacinth Bucket. He liked to go hang out at Chatsworth. They had deer. Just before he died he got a picture of the deer. He said he had been waiting 20 years for that shot. He was so proud.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:30 PM

That’s a strong combination! Very strong-willed people, the Scotch-Irish.

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Not to my own surname, no. But that person’s name definitely has the same root.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Irish or English.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:30 PM

I’m both…and something from my fathers side..
but I never met those ppl…they disowned my father
because he was marrying a Irish girl…
or so they told me..
so I only had my mothers side, grandparents wise..

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:40 PM

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM

I was on the channel side of England…in this town Get five miles outside of town, and you were in the country. The way the land lies and rolls is absolutely stunning! I loved it.

One of the quirkier pastimes is haunting old graveyards. Got lots of pics and scrapings of tombstones while I was there.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Sorry to hear that, G2M. About your father’s family. That wasn’t all that uncommon in earlier days, although it may seem to make little sense to us now.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:46 PM

There are absolutely no records in Ireland so it took me since 1971 to find out about my ancestors in northern Ireland. I finally connected with someone who did a book on all the people buried in Ballymoney graveyard.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:46 PM

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:34 PM

my uncle , was 80 and they robbed him in France on the train…
in wine country he was sleeping it off between stops…
he is 85 now… just got back from France… his 37th trip there I think…
he’s a big san fran lib…Berkley for 50 years…
taught at UC Berkley and DJ’d at KJAZ in the city
but he’s a jazz lover/teacher
and a wine lover/teacher so he has some good parts…..

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:46 PM

they disowned my father
because he was marrying a Irish girl…
or so they told me..
so I only had my mothers side, grandparents wise..

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Quite possible. My grandmother married a German. Boy the family hated that. They finally were divorced and my mother was the only one who would have anything to do with her father. The rest acted like that side of the family didn’t exist. The cousins are quite puzzled by this attitude because it had nothing to do with us. But I guess it mattered to them.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:50 PM

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:46 PM

That’s so interesting that someone did a book like that! Or at least I think it is!!!

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:46 PM

I have an uncle like that. Lived in CA for many years…still has some business interests there, I think. Moved back to his hometown in the middle of nowhere about three years ago….went from full-fledged Liberal to hard-line Conservative in about six months. Living in CA did it, ROFL.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:52 PM

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:46 PM

sheesh that some digging …since 71..
I always figured they abandoned us…
not the other way around…
so I never even looked for them..
and know so little about them..

my father died when I was 5 weeks old..
they clearly didn’t like the Irish so they didn’t talk to my mother..
so there was no one to ask as I got old enough to ask questions..
hope they all had a nice life…

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:52 PM

my father died when I was 5 weeks old..
they clearly didn’t like the Irish so they didn’t talk to my mother..
so there was no one to ask as I got old enough to ask questions..
hope they all had a nice life…

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:52 PM

If you would like I can do some looking for you if you email me some names. You’d be surprised what you can find on th einternet. When I started doing genealogy I spent a lot of time in cemeteries and libraries. Fortunately the library in Pittsburgh has a good gen section. It’s been fun but now I’ve run out of things to look up although I still don’t know where 2 lines were from.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:55 PM

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Do you want to find them, G2M?

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 8:57 PM

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:50 PM

you too??… family history/stories are very interesting and weird…both..
your right lh… to some that seemed to really matter a lot..
your from where ??…ewwwwwww
we don’t live near , talk to, or want you to date “them”
today we look at that and say wth??…

we’ve been in the melting pot, on simmer for a long time…

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:58 PM

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 8:55 PM

going2mars on July 16, 2014 at 8:58 PM

I’ve really enjoyed talking to both of you! Thanks for the time. I need to run up to the store very quickly before they close for the night.

Have a good evening! Talk to you later.

lineholder on July 16, 2014 at 9:03 PM

You don’t have to meet them but it’s good to know where you come from. Some people are afraid they’ll turn out to have bad things in their family. I really don’t care about that. My grgrandfather’s youngest brother is still a mystery. He seems to have been all over the place. It’s possible he was in prison in Phila. I just like solving puzzles.

crankyoldlady on July 16, 2014 at 9:05 PM

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