Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on July 15, 2014 by Allahpundit

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul might be onto something…

As troubles mount overseas, the Republicans’ once-steadfast support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has crumbled since President Barack Obama was sworn in for a second term, according to the results of a June Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll and a related Journal/NBC/Annenberg Survey…

These deteriorating numbers for both wars coincide with a growing belief in the country as a whole that the U.S. should shrink from the world stage, as Iraq erupts in sectarian violence, tensions simmer in Ukraine and a civil war grinds on in Syria. For years, the wars were in Iraq and Afghanistan were a polarizing issue, “but now there’s a surprisingly level of agreement,” said Micah Roberts, a Republican who helps conduct the Journal poll.

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The preemptive strikes suggest that many in GOP fear Paul is winning the foreign policy argument with the American people — and that that could make him a formidable candidate in 2016. After all, second-tier presidential hopefuls don’t usually get shouted down this way.

“I think the general fear on the part of a lot of leaders in the Republican Party is that there’s an isolationist temptation after two big wars, an isolationist temptation in the American electorate,” said Elliott Abrams, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations who was a deputy national security adviser in the George W. Bush administration. “And I think people are genuinely concerned about it and desirous of trying to stop it before it spreads further.”…

The hawks don’t doubt that there are some Republicans who share Paul’s views. But they’re concerned that, in the heat of a presidential campaign, the coverage will make the foreign policy debate within the GOP sound more evenly divided than it really is.

“I think there is a fear that you’re going to see a million stories saying the Republican Party is divided between two views — the Rand Paul view and the other view — as if it were a 50-50 thing, rather than Paul being isolated on the fringe,” Abrams said.

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Other foreign policy experts within the party seized the opportunity to suggest that the GOP needs, as a matter of both national security and electoral strategy, to move beyond the interventionism of the Iraq War era. Paul himself is fond of noting that Fox News’ Megyn Kelly told former Vice President Cheney, in an on-air interview last month, that that “history has proven that you got it wrong” on Iraq.

“He’s doing a lot to spark debate and to not just fall into step with the traditional military-industrial complex establishment,” said Elise Jordan, a former State Department speechwriter during the second Bush-Cheney term. “I don’t think that anything about Rand Paul is necessarily that different from the classical realist, which is how I would categorize Condoleezza Rice and a lot of the bright stars of Republican foreign policy over the years.”

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What Paul is proposing is that he is the Republican candidate willing (and able) to handle the party’s long-delayed reckoning with the war in Iraq. That conflict, premised on the false idea that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, has never been fully litigated within the GOP. President George W. Bush spent his time in office defending this rightness of the effort, and the party’s 2008 presidential nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain, was arguably even more hawkish than Bush on Iraq. In the aftermath of the 2008 loss, the voice that filled the leadership vacuum for Republicans was former Vice President Dick Cheney, who steadfastly defended the policies of the Bush Administration. Four years later, the struggles of the domestic economy pushed discussion of Iraq (or any other foreign policy issues) out of the public’s collective consciousness…

What Paul is arguing is that the war in Iraq was a mistake because his party (and many Democrats) didn’t take the time to think through all of the consequences of it beforehand. And that being the most powerful nation in the world doesn’t mean that always taking the most muscular option when it comes to dealing with other countries is the right thing to do.

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“This whole thing comes down to one Nevada billionaire,” said Rick Wilson, a GOP strategist who worked on Rudy Giuliani’s 2008 presidential campaign. “This is the Sheldon Adelson primary playing out. [Perry] is drawing a distinction between two very different visions of the party.”

Adelson, a casino magnate, helped bankroll Newt Gingrich’s and later Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential run, and is a fervent supporter of Israel. Hence the persistent line of attack on Paul that his lack of support for beefing up the American military would endanger the Jewish state…

“Ten years ago the right of the party was the hawkish part of the party. That has changed,” said Doug Stafford, a former Paul chief of staff who now runs a Paul super PAC. “The base, the Tea Party, conservatives see the overreach and costs, and they don’t want endless foreign interventions, and good luck running for president out of step with the right of the party.”…

“He is pulling away, so they have to start attacking him,” said Wead. “I think there is a little bit of panic setting in.”

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Perry’s attack on Paul is obviously tactical. He has noticed that a lot of hawkish Republicans are furious with Paul, so he has decided to leverage himself some media attention and political support by going on the offensive…

The debate between these two men is distracting because one senses that neither will be their party’s nominee in 2016. Perry because, whatever his accomplishments as a governor, he comes across on the national stage as shallow. Paul because he is too philosophical and can be too easily labeled a maverick libertarian…

All of which suggests that the Republicans are in danger of forgetting who their real enemy is: the Democratic Party. Fascinating though these intellectual back-and-forths are, they contribute to the impression that the Republicans are cracking up as they obsessively strive for an official conservative ideological purity that they will never actually discover — because it doesn’t exist.

Conservatism is traditionally about a spirit or an approach to governing, not a list of commandments that must be defined every four years in an internal party spat that has all the ferocity and counting of angels on a pinhead of a religious war.

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Perry is right that in other ways, Paul is hardly Reagan’s foreign-policy clone. Paul, for instance, zealously advocates congressional limitations on a president’s national-security powers. Reagan, by contrast, oversaw the Iran-Contra scheme, which subverted Congress’s efforts to bar aid to Nicaragua’s anti-communist rebels.

Paul likes to quote George Kennan on the importance of distinguishing between those parts of the world where America has vital interests and those where it does not. That wasn’t Reagan’s style. As Perry points out, Reagan “identified Soviet communism as an existential threat to our national security and Western values, and he confronted this threat in every theater” (my emphasis). For Reagan, confronting Soviet communism meant denouncing it rhetorically and arming anti-communist rebels and regimes, not sending U.S. troops into other countries. But he took this approach virtually everywhere. For a Kennanite like Rand Paul, it doesn’t much matter who controls Angola. For Reagan, it absolutely did. Unlike Paul, Reagan also wasn’t concerned about how much his foreign policy cost.

So what would a Reaganite strategy against “radical Islam” look like? Based on Reagan’s record, particularly in his first term, it would be expensive, indiscriminate, rhetorically aggressive, hostile to congressional oversight, and cautious about deploying U.S. troops. It would, in other words, be a mess. Reagan was lucky enough to take office after Richard Nixon had exploited the Sino-Soviet rift and stopped treating communism as a unified menace. Even so, Reagan turned nearly every third-world civil war into a showdown between East and West, dramatically escalating the brutality of these conflicts even though struggles in places like Angola and Nicaragua were ultimately irrelevant to the course of the Cold War.

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Unlike Perry, I oppose sending American troops back into Iraq. After a decade of the United States training the Iraq’s military, when confronted by the enemy, the Iraqis dropped their weapons, shed their uniforms and hid. Our soldiers’ hard work and sacrifice should be worth more than that. Our military is too good for that.

I ask Governor Perry: How many Americans should send their sons or daughters to die for a foreign country—a nation the Iraqis won’t defend for themselves? How many Texan mothers and fathers will Governor Perry ask to send their children to fight in Iraq?

I will not hold my breath for an answer. If refusing to send Americans to die for a country that refuses to defend itself makes one an “isolationist,” then perhaps it’s time we finally retire that pejorative.

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Paultards unite.

RickB on July 15, 2014 at 10:03 PM

blah blah blah! It’s QOTD time!

coolrepublica on July 15, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Oh boy…here we go!

can_con on July 15, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Ratso!

OmahaConservative on July 15, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Invasion troops = instant wood. That’s conservatism, alright.

Rix on July 15, 2014 at 10:04 PM

How about rescuing this country from the Marxist left first.

rbj on July 15, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Definitely not Romney hair.

msupertas on July 15, 2014 at 10:05 PM

Since Obozo won’t FIGHT in a war, then yes we are against US involvement in wars.
Duh.

Tard on July 15, 2014 at 10:05 PM

Dang I’m late again!

Bakokitty on July 15, 2014 at 10:05 PM

Heh, the Marxist-raised Liar in chief is pleased……HIS transformation and re-making of America is going exactly to plan.
Polls, shmolls- Dimtry.

FlaMurph on July 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM

I am so completely done with Rand…

OmahaConservative on July 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM

After a decade of the United States training the Iraq’s military,

4 years is now a decade?

can_con on July 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Rand Paul has already shown his proclivity for the GOPe. He’s shot himself in the foot so many times that he’ll have a hard time getting out of the starting blocks.

INC on July 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Calling all Wenches, Rude Buffoons, loons and trolls…

OmahaConservative on July 15, 2014 at 10:07 PM

Rand Paul is cute.

crankyoldlady on July 15, 2014 at 10:07 PM

After a decade of the United States training the Iraq’s military,

4 years is now a decade?

can_con on July 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Previously, we trained them by practice.

Rix on July 15, 2014 at 10:07 PM

This, sadly, is not a joke: http://www.elle.com/news/lifestyle/lady-parts-justice-lizz-winstead

DisneyFan on July 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM

4 years is now a decade?

can_con on July 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Every month O is in office seems a decade to me.

msupertas on July 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM

Foreign policy will not be a big deal in the 2016 primaries. The illegal alien amnesty issue WILL BE.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM

Rand Paul has already shown his proclivity for the GOPe. He’s shot himself in the foot so many times that he’ll have a hard time getting out of the starting blocks.

INC on July 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Yep, he could as well use a machine gun. At this point, it’s a hard choice between him, his daddy, and “a generic Republican”, though for different reasons entirely.

Rix on July 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM

I’m just stopping by to inform all y’all something.

It is INEXCUSABLE that the racist,Jew-hating prick known as libfreeordie is allowed to continue commenting while terrific regs are quickly banished for nothing.
As a proud Jew and proud Zionist(I want to make Aliyah, That’s pretty Zionist) I will boycott HA as long as libfree is allowed to continue on.
G-D Bless.
Am Yisrael Chai!
Twerp out.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM

Yes dear, you’ve spouted your tripe for the day.

cozmo on July 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM

I ask Governor Perry: How many Americans should send their sons or daughters to die for a foreign country—a nation the Iraqis won’t defend for themselves? How many Texan mothers and fathers will Governor Perry ask to send their children to fight in Iraq?

I expect this rhetoric from a democrat/commie. Rand; the US Military is an all-volunteer force! Stop treating them like children. I am pretty sure that when a brave soul signs up, they know that there is a possibility of being in theater.

can_con on July 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM

Rand Paul is cute.

crankyoldlady on July 15, 2014 at 10:07 PM

Can you imagine him at a G20 meeting? All you’ll see is that hair behind someone’s shoulder.

msupertas on July 15, 2014 at 10:10 PM

This, sadly, is not a joke: http://www.elle.com/news/lifestyle/lady-parts-justice-lizz-winstead

DisneyFan on July 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM

There right, Al Franken is a lady part.

RickB on July 15, 2014 at 10:10 PM

Rand Paul, who is on video essentially mocking amnesty opponents, is so done.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:11 PM

So what would a Reaganite strategy against “radical Islam” look like? Based on Reagan’s record, particularly in his first term, it would be expensive, indiscriminate, rhetorically aggressive, hostile to congressional oversight, and cautious about deploying U.S. troops. It would, in other words, be a mess. Reagan was lucky enough to take office after Richard Nixon had exploited the Sino-Soviet rift and stopped treating communism as a unified menace. Even so, Reagan turned nearly every third-world civil war into a showdown between East and West, dramatically escalating the brutality of these conflicts even though struggles in places like Angola and Nicaragua were ultimately irrelevant to the course of the Cold War.

The stupid….it BURNS!!!!!!

Doc Holliday on July 15, 2014 at 10:11 PM

This, sadly, is not a joke: http://www.elle.com/news/lifestyle/lady-parts-justice-lizz-winstead

DisneyFan on July 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM

I would be perfectly okay with keeping my votes out of their vaginae if they agree to keep their vaginae out of my wallet.

Rix on July 15, 2014 at 10:11 PM

The a raza walrus says thr HHS buses to Oracle AZ are cancelled for now.

http://www.kpho.com/story/26021111/protests-planned-as-illegal-immigrant-kids-arrive-in-oracle?clienttype=mobile&config=H264.

The camp,, already full they were sending them to, Sycamore valley academy has a shitty record for losing kids.

wolly4321 on July 15, 2014 at 10:11 PM

I’m just stopping by to inform all y’all something.

It is INEXCUSABLE that the racist,Jew-hating prick known as libfreeordie is allowed to continue commenting while terrific regs are quickly banished for nothing.
As a proud Jew and proud Zionist(I want to make Aliyah, That’s pretty Zionist) I will boycott HA as long as libfree is allowed to continue on.
G-D Bless.
Am Yisrael Chai!
Twerp out.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM

What did he do now to make you want to leave?

OmahaConservative on July 15, 2014 at 10:12 PM

We learned that Islam is too far gone. We can’t force an Enlightenment Age on them.

John the Libertarian on July 15, 2014 at 10:12 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM

If you leave, the shit stain wins. Don’t.

msupertas on July 15, 2014 at 10:13 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM

He constantly derails threads. Sure, he debates things, which is better than some trolls, but rarely does he discuss the actual topic. A moderately intelligent troll is still a troll.

DisneyFan on July 15, 2014 at 10:14 PM

I expect this rhetoric from a democrat/commie. Rand; the US Military is an all-volunteer force! Stop treating them like children. I am pretty sure that when a brave soul signs up, they know that there is a possibility of being in theater.

can_con on July 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM

Them being a volunteer force does not automatically means their blood (not to mention our tax money) can, or should, be spilled to benefit a bunch of towel-headed jackasses across the globe.

Rix on July 15, 2014 at 10:14 PM

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canopfor on July 15, 2014 at 10:14 PM

…is so done.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Not so. There were many times people here thought you were done.

Almost as many times as you yourself claimed to be done.

Yet, you never leave.

cozmo on July 15, 2014 at 10:14 PM

I stand with Rand.
CAN’T STAND RAND.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:14 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM
Don’t go..ALT, give Ed, or Allah a in your face proof of libfreeordie’s azzholienes.
Stay and fight!

Bakokitty on July 15, 2014 at 10:15 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM

That’s pointless. He won’t be banned because he’s an enormous click generator. Plus, he probably has an array of sock puppets waiting in the wings.

Rix on July 15, 2014 at 10:15 PM

CAN’T STAND RAND.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Somewhat mildly dislike the hagfish.

cozmo on July 15, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Somewhat mildly dislike the hagfish.

cozmo on July 15, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Heh…

OmahaConservative on July 15, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Hamas are a bunch of incompetents. Every leadership the Palestinians have been had were incompetents . . .

coolrepublica on July 15, 2014 at 8:01 PM

corkie on July 15, 2014 at 10:16 PM

You all’s buddy is here. I smelled fish.

Judge_Dredd on July 15, 2014 at 10:17 PM

As troubles mount overseas, the Republicans’ once-steadfast support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has crumbled since President Barack Obama was sworn in for a second term,

I don’t know (or care) about Republicans, but a country can hardly go to any war when the commander-in-chief is a traitor who is supporting the country’s enemies.

It’s been over 5 years since Barky slimed into office and sabotaged our interests in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I’m not sure what support one could expect for any ongoing involvement where Barky has the interests of jihadists and AMerica-haters as his guiding principle. What would the point of any of that be?

I just don’t understand what point is trying to be made, here. Barky has done his damage and, so long as he is running things for his jihadist buddies, there’s no point in even thinking about supporting anything other than his impeachment and criminal prosecution. Who thinks that we’re fighting to trade deserters for terrorist leaders?

This isn’t about supporting war or anything of the sort. This is about a traitor in the White House who has been making a mess and a mockery of everything his retarded, third-world, dog-eating azz has gazed upon.

As to Rand Paul, I hardly agree with anything he thinks about foreign policy.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 15, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Saying something negative about illegals-well that’s banworthy.
Being anti-white and hating Jews-well carry on. ///

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Who cares about Iraq!??

Didn’t you guys here??

JESUS WAS A MARXIST!!!!

ToddPA on July 15, 2014 at 10:17 PM

We learned that Islam and the GOPe is are too far gone. We can’t force an Enlightenment Age on them.

John the Libertarian on July 15, 2014 at 10:12 PM

non-nonpartisan on July 15, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Rix on July 15, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Not arguing that point. It is the cheap rhetoric of he uses of “parents sending their children off to war”.

It’s as bad as saying that if you vote for war, you should be sending your kids off to the battle.

can_con on July 15, 2014 at 10:17 PM

What did he do now to make you want to leave?

OmahaConservative on July 15, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Probably has to do with the thread about Hamas & Israel…coolrepubica & libiotfree both got pretty anti Israel on that one. Not sure if there is another reason…

bimmcorp on July 15, 2014 at 10:18 PM

Hamas are a bunch of incompetents. Every leadership the Palestinians have been had were incompetents . . .

coolrepublica on July 15, 2014 at 8:01 PM

corkie on July 15, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Pat, I’m gonna need to buy two vowels for this puzzle.

msupertas on July 15, 2014 at 10:18 PM

As troubles mount overseas, the Republicans’ once-steadfast support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has crumbled since President Barack Obama was sworn in for a second term

Well, of course, we don’t trust him on these matters. The problem for Paul is that we don’t trust him either.

thebrokenrattle on July 15, 2014 at 10:18 PM

Didn’t you guys here hear??

JESUS WAS A MARXIST!!!!

ToddPA on July 15, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Oops.

ToddPA on July 15, 2014 at 10:18 PM

That’s pointless. He won’t be banned because he’s an enormous click generator. Plus, he probably has an array of sock puppets waiting in the wings.
Rix on July 15, 2014 at 10:15 PM

Honestly, I don’t think that’s the case. I doubt the editors say, “oh, have to keep that one around; they generate clicks.”

No, unless he said something worthy of banning, he’s likely not going anywhere. Just upsetting people isn’t enough to get banned, it seems.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:19 PM

Probably has to do with the thread about Hamas & Israel…coolrepubica & libiotfree both got pretty anti Israel on that one. Not sure if there is another reason…

bimmcorp on July 15, 2014 at 10:18 PM

Thanks. I didn’t go into that thread…

OmahaConservative on July 15, 2014 at 10:19 PM

What did he do now to make you want to leave?

OmahaConservative on July 15, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Even though the Holocaust ended before Jim Crow ended, still we say to Jews “the wrong done to you matters so much it will shape our entire foreign policy.”

libfreeordie on July 14, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Protocols of the Elders of Zion, it is.

nobar on July 15, 2014 at 10:20 PM

Don’t believe your lying eyes.

Apparently.

BKeyser on July 15, 2014 at 10:20 PM

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GOP RUN-OFF FOR ALABAMA’S SIXTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT: Conservative activist Gary Palmer and Alabama State Rep. Paul DeMarco are facing off in this run-off to succeed retiring GOP Rep. Spencer Bachus. It’s another heavily Republican district, making tonight’s winner the likely November victor as well. Palmer has the support of the anti-tax group Club for Growth in the run-off since its first choice did not make it through the initial primary, but DeMarco bested Palmer in the primary, as well as in fundraising, and has the backing of the NRA. The Club has dumped about $250,000 in the race and its support could help shift the tide towards Palmer in this re-match. Palmer also has strong ties to the religious community in the district, which could help in what is expected to be a low-turnout run-off. The district is one of the strongest Republican House districts in the entire country, meaning Democrat Avery Vise has little chance at victory.

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canopfor on July 15, 2014 at 10:20 PM

bimmcorp on July 15, 2014 at 10:18 PM

that was the thread+ his referring to the Jewish state as a terrorist nation…and I’m afraid to wear a Jewish necklace in west Texas in 2014-because of few Jews and numerous muslims.

muzzies in ISRAEL have freedom of relgion.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:21 PM

Honestly, I don’t think that’s the case. I doubt the editors say, “oh, have to keep that one around; they generate clicks.”

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:19 PM

Howling with laughter.

No, unless he said something worthy of banning, he’s likely not going anywhere. Just upsetting people isn’t enough to get banned, it seems.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:19 PM

How many people have been saying the same thing about you, for far longer?

cozmo on July 15, 2014 at 10:21 PM

It’s as bad as saying that if you vote for war, you should be sending your kids off to the battle.

can_con on July 15, 2014 at 10:17 PM

The best argument is, if you want to vote on how money is spent, pay some taxes.

Rix on July 15, 2014 at 10:21 PM

The Catholic News Service has also been pretty pro-Palestinian. There’s apparently no mention in their articles of Hamas encouraging people to stay in their homes (as human shields) if they’re in targeted areas. Very disappointing.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:21 PM

That’s pointless. He won’t be banned because he’s an enormous click generator. Plus, he probably has an array of sock puppets waiting in the wings.

Rix on July 15, 2014 at 10:15 PM

Of course he’s one of many socks around here.

I don’t believe he’s kept around because he generates clicks, but because this place doesn’t take moderating all that seriously. Intentionally disruptive trolls who undermine others should be banned.

I have said many times that I post here for gags, stunts and shows.

libfreeordie on June 24, 2014 at 9:00 PM

non-nonpartisan on July 15, 2014 at 10:23 PM

No, unless he said something worthy of banning, he’s likely not going anywhere. Just upsetting people isn’t enough to get banned, it seems.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:19 PM

Technically, “being openly disruptive to the discussion” qualifies him for a smack.

Rix on July 15, 2014 at 10:23 PM

nobar on July 15, 2014 at 10:20 PM

My -by blood’ half-Jewish grandfather was denied a job in the LATE 50′s because he was Jewish.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Even so, Reagan turned nearly every third-world civil war into a showdown between East and West, dramatically escalating the brutality of these conflicts even though struggles in places like Angola and Nicaragua were ultimately irrelevant to the course of the Cold War.

Or, looked at through the lens of

reality,

Reagan identified and opposed communism on all fronts, keeping up the skeer until the momentum swing brought the wall down. (NOTE: I know the wall didn’t actually come down until GHWB, but the foundation had cracked, the wall was falling…)

massrighty on July 15, 2014 at 10:23 PM

How many people have been saying the same thing about you, for far longer?
cozmo on July 15, 2014 at 10:21 PM

How many warnings have you gotten from editors? Have you been banned? Given your behavior, it wouldn’t surprise me. You’re really in no position to lecture anyone on this subject.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Well, you all have fun with the stinkfish. I’m going to bed.

Judge_Dredd on July 15, 2014 at 10:24 PM

This is where they were. Sending the illegals in Oracle…

http://sycamorecanyonacademy.com/?page_id=7.

Anybody find that page a bit odd? Hmmm?

wolly4321 on July 15, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Virginia Foxx. What a great name. I’m waxing superficial tonight.

crankyoldlady on July 15, 2014 at 10:24 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:21 PM

ALyT’y, some crap you just have to deal with.

Look at the bright side, the trolls are ignorant lying idiots. And they are too stupid to change.

cozmo on July 15, 2014 at 10:24 PM

To be honest, KoolAid2 was always worse than libfree.

I think libfree is smart to know where the line is and not to cross it. Perhaps he said something ban-worthy that I missed, but I don’t think that one is going to slip up so easily.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Mississippi News:

Breitbart News’ Matthew Boyle said that evidence of “8,300 vote irregularities” has been discovered by Chris McDaniel’s campaign in its challenge to Sen. Thad Cochran’s (R-MS) primary victory over McDaniel.

The number of irregularities is “more than the margin of victory” according to Boyle. He also said that “under half” of Mississippi’s counties were not cooperating with McDaniel’s investigation “at the behest of the Republican Party in Mississippi.”

I think McDaniel is supposed to have a press conference tomorrow.

INC on July 15, 2014 at 10:26 PM

*smart enough to know, that is

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Anyway, I should be going in a bit. Maybe I’ll be back. You just never know.

Until then!

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:27 PM

“I think there is a fear that you’re going to see a million stories saying the Republican Party is divided between two views — the Rand Paul view and the other view — as if it were a 50-50 thing, rather than Paul being isolated on the fringe,” Abrams said.
==================================================================

The Narrational Forgings, er, WishCastings, er, Projectionisms!!

canopfor on July 15, 2014 at 10:27 PM

Hamas are a bunch of incompetents. Every leadership the Palestinians have been had were incompetents . . .

coolrepublica on July 15, 2014 at 8:01 PM

.
There’s no … such … thing … as PALESTINE or PALESTINIANS.

listens2glenn on July 15, 2014 at 10:27 PM

Very disappointing.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:21 PM

You never disappoint, except when it comes to intelligence.

How many warnings have you gotten from editors? Have you been banned? Given your behavior, it wouldn’t surprise me. You’re really in no position to lecture anyone on this subject.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Bwahahahahahahahahaha, you lecture on every subject even though you know nothing about which you lecture.

Geeze hagfish, you certainly are on roll tonight. Way to go with the comedy.

cozmo on July 15, 2014 at 10:28 PM

that was the thread+ his referring to the Jewish state as a terrorist nation…

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:21 PM

Who cares what libfree or the other idiots think about Israel? I certainly don’t. They thought the US (when it existed, before Barky killed it and birthed the American Socialist Superstate) was the worst terrorist nation on Earth, too. Libfree and the rest of the left are anti-American, self-hating, societally suicidal dirtbags who want to bring the West crumbling down. Why would you care what any of them think about anything? They’re just morons.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 15, 2014 at 10:28 PM

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AP goes trolling for a new Republican leader to take us to victory and submits for our consideration:

Rand Paul

With the MOST conservative media source being … WSJ (also known as the GOPe Party Propaganda Mouthpiece)

All other “supporting evidence” coming from the likes of CNN and TheDailyBeast.com

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There … there, APsomeday you’ll get over your broken heart for Chris Christie and stop making bad choices for yourself.

PolAgnostic on July 15, 2014 at 10:28 PM

cozmo on July 15, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Lubbock, TX 2014-and because I don’t drive I really have to think twice about wearing a Jewish symbol because i worry that one of those censored deleteds might see me and my star and see an opportunity.
Texas. 2014.
IT’S NOT RIGHT!!
No wonder I want to move to Israel!

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:28 PM

OmahaConservative on July 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Not me, man. I’m all in with Rand. RINOs turn my stomach. Call me a Paultard all you like. The Republicans act like Democratolitos.

Chuck Ef on July 15, 2014 at 10:28 PM

It’s interesting that his foreign policy might hurt Paul in another way: it exists. The election might not be about Iraq. It might be about domestic policy, in which case having an interesting foreign policy, having a completely irrelevant “something to talk about” that evey interviewer or commentator associates with him would act to make him invisible.

Axe on July 15, 2014 at 10:29 PM

Didn’t you guys here hear??

JESUS WAS A MARXIST!!!!

ToddPA on July 15, 2014 at 10:17 PM

I heard. And I’m sure Jesus had a lot in common with the lazy, exploitative atheist Marx lol

Bubble Puppy – Todd’s Tune

non-nonpartisan on July 15, 2014 at 10:29 PM

You’re really in no position to lecture anyone on this subject.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:23 PM

…I think you’re lying…frank.

JugEarsButtHurt on July 15, 2014 at 10:29 PM

I am conflicted about Rand Paul. I’m not libertarian so obviously I am not going to agree with him on some issues. He has some qualities I do like.

terryannonline on July 15, 2014 at 10:30 PM

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:23 PM

I’ve only gotten one-and it wasn’t a warning.
Now STFU.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 15, 2014 at 10:30 PM

I think libfree is smart…

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:26 PM

That’s all you gotta’ know about the lack of intelligence in the hagfish.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:27 PM

Yeah, right. Change your sock and spend some quality time in bed with your iPhone.

cozmo on July 15, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Hi all.

Question for fellow Georgians…who ya gonna vote for…
David Perdue or Jack Kingston in the Republican Senate run-off?

Brat on July 15, 2014 at 10:30 PM

In other news Uncle Sugar released that immigration activist that snuck across the border. Tomorrow they might offer him a beer summit with Barry.

Limerick on July 15, 2014 at 10:30 PM

So,……if the Worlds Policeman isn’t the Bars’N’Stars,..then who!!

American Isolationism,

is going to open da Gates of Hell me thinks!!

Jihady’s will have Free Rein,…oh wait,under
Obama,..they do now!!!

canopfor on July 15, 2014 at 10:32 PM

To be honest, KoolAid2 was always worse than libfree.

I think libfree is smart to know where the line is and not to cross it. Perhaps he said something ban-worthy that I missed, but I don’t think that one is going to slip up so easily.

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Why don’t you ask him if he has ever been banned at HA, I’m sure he will answer you truthfully.

RickB on July 15, 2014 at 10:32 PM

…I think you’re lying…
JugEarsButtHurt on July 15, 2014 at 10:29 PM

KoolAid2 = JugEarsButtHurt

You could spot the stupid a mile away with that one. KoolAid2 couldn’t conceal himself very well.

Anyway, I’m off again.

Later!

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:32 PM

Not me, man. I’m all in with Rand. RINOs turn my stomach. Call me a Paultard all you like. The Republicans act like Democratolitos.

Chuck Ef on July 15, 2014 at 10:28 PM

The dippy Rand’s who passes for a good Repub nowadays? My, how low we’ve sunk!

non-nonpartisan on July 15, 2014 at 10:32 PM

It’s kind of hard to agree with Paul on anything because you never know from one day to the next what he is for.

crankyoldlady on July 15, 2014 at 10:32 PM

I am conflicted about Rand Paul. I’m not libertarian so obviously I am not going to agree with him on some issues. He has some qualities I do like.

terryannonline on July 15, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Yeah … he’s for giving aid and comfort to invading illegals, which you love. We know.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM

the Republicans’ once-steadfast support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has crumbled

Supporting policy that loses the lives of thousands of American troops, along with thousands of limbs of American troops, and over a trillion dollars, and all to respect Islam, and have constitutions with shariah law, and to try to keep very nasty muslims from killing other very nasty muslims, does tend to lose it’s appeal after a while, especially after a very long while.

VorDaj on July 15, 2014 at 10:34 PM

Don’t sweat it, alt. Leftists are anti-Semites. It’s their inner-Nazi peeking out.

John the Libertarian on July 15, 2014 at 10:34 PM

Ooooh was digging that part of the thread about banning Libby Freordie. Sounds like a plan to me …

Chuck Ef on July 15, 2014 at 10:34 PM

I think libfree is smart…

bluegill on July 15, 2014 at 10:26 PM

I thought you had potential. Well, you’ve proven me wrong. Go away, and stay.

arnold ziffel on July 15, 2014 at 10:34 PM

you never know from one day to the next what he is for.

crankyoldlady on July 15, 2014 at 10:32 PM

Acorn

Tree

That really is all there is to it.

Limerick on July 15, 2014 at 10:34 PM

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