Begich: Hey, I’m a thorn in Obama’s … whatever

posted at 10:01 am on July 14, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Behold the Running of the Democrats in the sixth-year midterm elections. While the White House insists that their colleagues in the House and Senate run on Barack Obama’s accomplishments, more of them will be running away from his failures and his overreach. That will force many of them to adopt the strategy of Mark Begich, the Democratic Senator from Alaska, who wants his constituents to believe that he’s been a restraining force on Obama rather than an enabler. Begich, who has been trying to sell this argument for a while, told the Washington Post that he’s been “a thorn in Obama’s ass,” although the Post changed that to “side” without quotes for the headline:

When Sen. Mark Begich talks about his role in American politics, he describes himself as a sharp object, sent to Washington to jab at President Obama.

“I’ll be a thorn in his [posterior],” Begich (D-Alaska) said in an interview. “There’s times when I’m a total thorn, you know, and he doesn’t appreciate it.”

That metaphor is at the heart of Begich’s political self-image — and, now, his reelection campaign. Begich is running in an age of congressional weakness. Earmarks are dead. The Hill is gridlocked. So Begich has little hope of doing what Alaska always expects its politicians to do: bring home boatloads of money through legislation.

Instead, Begich is running on his power to nag.

Senate Democrats from Louisiana to, well, Alaska are making that same argument, and not just incumbents. Michelle Nunn has hedged on her support of the Obama agenda to make herself more palatable to Georgia voters, and Alison Grimes keeps insisting she’ll defend coal while holding fundraisers with people like Sen. Elizabeth Warren. It’s about the only strategy open to Democrats outside of progressive strongholds like Massachusetts, New York, and Oregon.

It has one fatal flaw, though, which National Journal’s Ron Fournier explains to Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski on Morning Joe:

If Democrats want to sell voters on sending “a thorn in Obama’s ass” to Washington, why choose a Democrat? In the case of Senate incumbents, why send someone whose votes enabled ObamaCare, which is one of the administration’s biggest overreaches? Begich cast his vote for the ACA, as did Mary Landrieu, Kay Hagan, Mark Pryor, and every other Democratic incumbent. Nunn and Grimes still won’t answer the question of whether they would have voted for it at the time.

A vote for a real restraint on Obama’s power would be a vote cast for a Republican, and everyone knows it. When asked to choose between a fake Republican and a real Republican in a general election, people will vote for the real thing. Republicans learned that lesson in 2006 and 2008.


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Begich, We Can’t Hear you. You can join with the republicans any day in irritating Obama, just tell Harry Reid to bring up the republican appropriations bills, tell him to call out the National Guard, or you will see Obama letting Russians SWIM to Alaska and claiming oil royalties and welfare like the rest of the refugees are.

Fleuries on July 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM

Yet impeachment is still an impossible idea for many so called Conservatives and Republicans. Even when democrat have to campaign as… The restraint in the democrat party against Obama over reach.

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM

You Democrats aren’t a thorn in the ass…

You are a pain in the ass for voting with him.

txdoc on July 14, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Even if he was, obozo likes getting stuck in the… whatever.

Flange on July 14, 2014 at 10:10 AM

a thorn in Obama’s ass

Is this related to the anal jihad thread?

faraway on July 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Democrats are a boil on the butt of the Republic.

ConstantineXI on July 14, 2014 at 10:12 AM

A vote for a real restraint on Obama’s power would be a vote cast for a Republican, and everyone knows it.

*blink*

Laughable.

Midas on July 14, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Yet impeachment is still an impossible idea for many so called Conservatives and Republicans. Even when democrat have to campaign as… The restraint in the democrat party against Obama over reach.

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Do you really believe that any Democrat would actually vote to convict Obama in an impeachment trial? If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you…..real cheap.

Bitter Clinger on July 14, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Do you really believe that any Democrat would actually vote to convict Obama in an impeachment trial? If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you…..real cheap.

Bitter Clinger on July 14, 2014 at 10:16 AM

If there were any that would they’d be found “suicided” in Fort Marcy Park and they know it.

ConstantineXI on July 14, 2014 at 10:19 AM

I heard Chris Matthews asked Begich to stop being a thorn in Obama’s ass because it was giving him nosebleeds.

fogw on July 14, 2014 at 10:19 AM

When asked to choose between a fake Republican and a real Republican in a general election, people will vote for the real thing. Republicans learned that lesson in 2006 and 2008.

The reverse is also true. When asked to choose between a fake Democrat and the real thing, they’ll vote for the real thing because the real thing is being honest about beliefs and ideology.

Even low information voters show a tendency to detect when someone is being dishonest about themselves when asking for votes.

That’s why Republicans should always and everywhere establish clear differences between themselves and their opponents, and let the voters decide who’s being honest and who’s blowing smoke.

Conservative Mischief on July 14, 2014 at 10:21 AM

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Do you really believe that any Democrat would actually vote to convict Obama in an impeachment trial? If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you…..real cheap.

Bitter Clinger on July 14, 2014 at 10:16 AM

What I believe, is that right and wrong are not political considerations. You either believe that Barack Obama has committed impeachable offenses, or you do not. If you believe that Barack Obama has committed impeachable offenses, then impeaching him is the only moral, ethical or legal option. If you believe that Barach Obama cannot or should not be impeached, you believe so solely on the basis of the fact that you do not believe he has done anything that rises to the level of an impeachable offense.

Making the BS assertion that impeaching him is not a politically viable option, is nothing less than a piss poor justification for believing in relative political morality, wherein right and wrong are nothing more than convenient political considerations.

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Democrats are a boil on the butt of the Republic.

ConstantineXI on July 14, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Where’s Lancelot when you need him?

Flange on July 14, 2014 at 10:26 AM

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Well said.

Midas on July 14, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Even low information voters show a tendency to detect when someone is being dishonest about themselves when asking for votes.

That’s why Republicans should always and everywhere establish clear differences between themselves and their opponents, and let the voters decide who’s being honest and who’s blowing smoke.

Conservative Mischief on July 14, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Obama was blowing smoke back in 2012 by blaming the Benghazi incident on a video, and continued the farce long after the general public knew that was not the case. The Republicans accused the WH of a coverup and demanded the DOJ look into the matter.

Obama still won the election. Low information voters remain gullible idiots. You can’t fix stupid.

fogw on July 14, 2014 at 10:30 AM

At this point what difference does it make, they are all a bunch of creepy liars.

Cindy Munford on July 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM

“I’ll be a thorn in his [posterior],” Begich (D-Alaska) said in an interview.

Depends on what the meaning of “his” is….

cthemfly on July 14, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Yet impeachment is still an impossible idea for many so called Conservatives and Republicans. Even when democrat have to campaign as… The restraint in the democrat party against Obama over reach.

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Dude! Impeaching Obama is the greatest gift you could give the Democrats right now. Turning him into a martyred first black(ish) President would have a certain demographic group in this country rallying to defend “their” President. And if the newly-elected Republican majority in the Senate acts it will look vindictive and petty.

What part of the above don’t you understand?

Happy Nomad on July 14, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Conservative Mischief on July 14, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Should they mention the specific relatives and Chamber of Commerce members they will funnel their graft to, or still keep it a secret.

Cindy Munford on July 14, 2014 at 10:33 AM

What part of the above don’t you understand?

Happy Nomad on July 14, 2014 at 10:32 AM

What I believe, is that right and wrong are not political considerations. You either believe that Barack Obama has committed impeachable offenses, or you do not. If you believe that Barack Obama has committed impeachable offenses, then impeaching him is the only moral, ethical or legal option. If you believe that Barach Obama cannot or should not be impeached, you believe so solely on the basis of the fact that you do not believe he has done anything that rises to the level of an impeachable offense.

Making the BS assertion that impeaching him is not a politically viable option, is nothing less than a piss poor justification for believing in relative political morality, wherein right and wrong are nothing more than convenient political considerations.

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

What part of this is it that you don’t understand?

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM

… and let the voters decide who’s being honest and who’s blowing smoke.

Conservative Mischief on July 14, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Then we are left with no choices at all. They all blow smoke and are out for the power, fame and fortune that an office in DC gives them.

Time to vote them all out.

Walter L. Newton on July 14, 2014 at 10:40 AM

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

At some point, reality has to come into play. If I thought there was any chance, even miniscule, that impeachment could succeed, I’d be all for it. That’s where I was back in ’98 when I naively believed that some Dems would vote to convict. I stupidly believed that there were Dems who would put principle above party. Didn’t happen and Clinton didn’t suffer any for it in the end. Obama won’t suffer for a hopeless attempt at impeachment either. It’s sad that this is true, but it is true nonetheless.

Bitter Clinger on July 14, 2014 at 10:41 AM

What part of this is it that you don’t understand?

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM

The part where you are blind to the politics of the situation.

I often take the GOPe to task for being too political and not standing on principle. It is just as bone-headed a play to stand on principle no matter what.

Happy Nomad on July 14, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Begich: Hey, I’m a thorn in Obama’s … whatever

…WHAT?…you can pee?…with a thorn ???????????????

JugEarsButtHurt on July 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

At some point, reality has to come into play. If I thought there was any chance, even miniscule, that impeachment could succeed, I’d be all for it. That’s where I was back in ’98 when I naively believed that some Dems would vote to convict. I stupidly believed that there were Dems who would put principle above party. Didn’t happen and Clinton didn’t suffer any for it in the end. Obama won’t suffer for a hopeless attempt at impeachment either. It’s sad that this is true, but it is true nonetheless.

Bitter Clinger on July 14, 2014 at 10:41 AM

What a load of horse manure. Right and wrong have absolutely nothing what so ever to do with political expediency. You need to check your moral and ethical compass, it’s badly out of whack, and your piss poor rationalization are not cutting it.

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Time to vote them all out.

Walter L. Newton on July 14, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Wrong verb.

Midas on July 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM

The part where you are blind to the politics of the situation.

I often take the GOPe to task for being too political and not standing on principle. It is just as bone-headed a play to stand on principle no matter what.

Happy Nomad on July 14, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Then you owe the GOPe an apology.

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM

If impeachment is off the table, then the Constitution is truly a dead letter. We are in a tyranny with no Constitutional solution left to us. There is nothing left but open revolution.

Are you “impeachment’s warranted but can’t be done politically because…” folks OK with that? That’s really what you’re saying. Elections can’t fix this any longer, and you’re taking the Constitutional power afforded to the Congress away as well.

Nothing left but the shooting at this point then.

Midas on July 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM

I think you are just going to have to settle for the law suits brought by Congress and outside organizations to bring Obama’s shenanigans to light. Congress might also try defunding a couple of things. Why go nuclear when they don’t use the tools they have available to them now?

Cindy Munford on July 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM

If impeachment is off the table, then the Constitution is truly a dead letter. We are in a tyranny with no Constitutional solution left to us. There is nothing left but open revolution.

Are you “impeachment’s warranted but can’t be done politically because…” folks OK with that? That’s really what you’re saying. Elections can’t fix this any longer, and you’re taking the Constitutional power afforded to the Congress away as well.

Nothing left but the shooting at this point then.

Midas on July 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM

I get that impeachment is a Constitutional process. But because it is carried out by politicians, it is also a political one. And the Dems will always be political before they are principled.

I keep asking this: Let’s say impeachment goes forward, there is the trial, and Obama is ultimately not convicted and thus, not removed from office. Now where are we? Obama is still around and the martyrdom chorus will be singing loudly. The LIV’s will think the GOP (and more importantly, conservatism) was mean to the first black president because he wasn’t removed so, therefore, they never had a case to make. Conservatism takes a brutal beating and its cause is regressed even more.

Bitter Clinger on July 14, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Did this guy vote for Amnesty?

formwiz on July 14, 2014 at 11:02 AM

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM

I think you are just going to have to settle for the law suits brought by Congress and outside organizations to bring Obama’s shenanigans to light. Congress might also try defunding a couple of things. Why go nuclear when they don’t use the tools they have available to them now?

Cindy Munford on July 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Please be so kind as to show me where in the United States constitution a lawsuit against the POTUS is codified as an acceptable remedy to Presidential misconduct.

Article 2 Section 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.

This is the only remedy found in the United States Constitution for Presidential misconduct or maleficence.

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 11:03 AM

I keep asking this: Let’s say impeachment goes forward, there is the trial, and Obama is ultimately not convicted and thus, not removed from office. Now where are we? Obama is still around and the martyrdom chorus will be singing loudly. The LIV’s will think the GOP (and more importantly, conservatism) was mean to the first black president because he wasn’t removed so, therefore, they never had a case to make. Conservatism takes a brutal beating and its cause is regressed even more.

Bitter Clinger on July 14, 2014 at 10:57 AM

I keep answering this. I get it, I hear you. AND you are simply saying, if you don’t realize it, that the situation described means that a) voting doesn’t work (there is other evidence of this as well, but your argument alone means this as well), and b) the Constitutional path to fixing this problem won’t work, either.

We have a tyrant in the WH. If voting won’t fix it, and the Constitutional tools for fixing it won’t be used, our choices are simple.

We either choose to submit to tyranny, or we choose not to.

Midas on July 14, 2014 at 11:04 AM

For those of you who think that impeachment is a bad idea, what if anything would warrant impeachment of this president in your opinion? I ask this sincerely!

texgal on July 14, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Time to vote them all out.

Walter L. Newton on July 14, 2014 at 10:40 A

Good luck with that.Those people crossing the border have already voted for democrats in the paper work done on them by our people.The votes are being sent out in car trunks to the areas they need them most.Who knew a 4 year old could vote?

docflash on July 14, 2014 at 11:04 AM

“I’ll be a thorn in his [posterior],” Begich said

“Begich… who?” Obama said

Marcola on July 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Conservatism takes a brutal beating and its cause is regressed even more.

Bitter Clinger on July 14, 2014 at 10:57 AM

This.

Are you “impeachment’s warranted but can’t be done politically because…” folks OK with that?

Midas on July 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Give me a call sometime. We need to talk.

-King Pyrrhus of Epirus

Bat Chain Puller on July 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM

texgal on July 14, 2014 at 11:04 AM

I’m going to be brutally honest here. Nothing. Because he is historic. And by that I mean black. It is not going to happen and he knows it.

Cindy Munford on July 14, 2014 at 11:10 AM

For those of you who think that impeachment is a bad idea, what if anything would warrant impeachment of this president in your opinion? I ask this sincerely!

texgal on July 14, 2014 at 11:04 AM

It’s not a matter if impeachment is warranted. Yes, Obama has acted in defiance of the Constitution. The problem is that impeachment, under current political conditions, won’t solve the problem of removing a law-breaking president from office.

Bitter Clinger on July 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM

If impeachment is off the table, then the Constitution is truly a dead letter. We are in a tyranny with no Constitutional solution left to us. There is nothing left but open revolution.

Are you “impeachment’s warranted but can’t be done politically because…” folks OK with that? That’s really what you’re saying. Elections can’t fix this any longer, and you’re taking the Constitutional power afforded to the Congress away as well.

Nothing left but the shooting at this point then.

Midas on July 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM

This is exactly right and it is also specifically described in the Declaration of Independence as a legitimate cause for taking extra-constitutional action to remedy the situation. We must remove this tyrant, one way or the other, if this republic is to survive.

Harbingeing on July 14, 2014 at 11:16 AM

The key to impeachment, I think, is to go after his underlings first, such as Slois Lerner and then Race Card Holder. Less risk involved and you have a chance to expose many smoking guns.

Flange on July 14, 2014 at 11:16 AM

The key to impeachment, I think, is to go after his underlings first, such as Slois Lerner and then Race Card Holder. Less risk involved and you have a chance to expose many smoking guns.

Flange on July 14, 2014 at 11:16 AM

I could see that, though the problem here is that they’ll simply be replaced by similar underlings.

*shrug*

I’m just convinced at this point that there is no path back that doesn’t include divorce. Whether it will be amicable or very, very messy is the question.

Either way, it has to happen, so let’s get on with it. Everything else is just further political masturbation while the situation deteriorates further.

Midas on July 14, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I also don’t believe this regime will surrender their power to any “elections” that may be held in 2014 or 2016. They have already made their intentions clear with the militarization of virtually every federal agency. They believe they have the critical mass necessary now to quell open rev0lution. We’ll see, unfortunately. But it was our own complacency (weakness) that has invited this tyranny to take power over us. It will be helluva mess to clean up.

Harbingeing on July 14, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Cindy Munford on July 14, 2014 at 11:10 AM Bitter Clinger on July 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM

I appreciate the candid answers.

What a shame that this country has deteriorated into such a cesspool of race baiting, lying, scum, politicians with WAAAAY too much power, idiot voters who gave them that power, and those who see the problems and can do nothing about them but yell into deaf ears! I feel helpless and it sickens me!

texgal on July 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Making the BS assertion that impeaching him is not a politically viable option, is nothing less than a piss poor justification for believing in relative political morality, wherein right and wrong are nothing more than convenient political considerations.

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Very well said…As one who actually voted for and was an adamant supporter of Richard Nixon, the fact that he engineered and maintained a cover-up to a crime committed on his behalf, was enough for me to support his impeachment.

Richard Nixon’s ‘crime’ was simply that he lied and deceived the American people regarding the Watergate break-in and cover-up.

Barack Obama’s transgressions dwarf those of RMN. He NEEDS impeachment.

Trouble is, the American People are no where near as morally righteous as we were in the early 70s. The ends justify the means these days, and we deserve all the spoils of our national lack of integrity.

bimmcorp on July 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Midas on July 14, 2014 at 11:24 AM

The point of going after them would be to expose the criminal activity. Most people aren’t aware the extent of it. Furthermore it would make helping obozo more toxic and encourage people to be more cooperative with investigations. A Lerner trial would expose the emails, for example, and give a much more solid ground for impeachment.

Flange on July 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

For a Democrat, if you’ve got nothing, throw bullshit. The dumb-asses will lap it up.

GarandFan on July 14, 2014 at 11:32 AM

The part where you are blind to the politics of the situation.

I often take the GOPe to task for being too political and not standing on principle. It is just as bone-headed a play to stand on principle no matter what.

Happy Nomad on July 14, 2014 at 10:43 AM

You have nailed it, my friend. And not it a good way. The fact that Americans lack the courage of their convictions and the spine to stand for their principles ‘no matter what’ is the exact reason that our Constitutional Republic is lost.

Folks like you, who have given in to the ‘ends justify the means’ and the ‘politics above principle’ crowd are as culpable as the progressive moon bats we fight.

Just what in the hell do you suppose our Founding Fathers stood behind, if not for their principles?

bimmcorp on July 14, 2014 at 11:36 AM

What a shame that this country has deteriorated into such a cesspool of race baiting, lying, scum, politicians with WAAAAY too much power, idiot voters who gave them that power, and those who see the problems and can do nothing about them but yell into deaf ears! I feel helpless and it sickens me!

texgal on July 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Trouble is, the American People are no where near as morally righteous as we were in the early 70s. The ends justify the means these days, and we deserve all the spoils of our national lack of integrity.

bimmcorp on July 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Indeed, indeed.

A new American Revolution is about the only way to reclaim what has been lost.

Bitter Clinger on July 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM

It’s not a matter if impeachment is warranted. Yes, Obama has acted in defiance of the Constitution. The problem is that impeachment, under current political conditions, won’t solve the problem of removing a law-breaking president from office.

Bitter Clinger on July 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM

If this is true, and I believe it to be so, then there is but one alternative. And that is the dissolution of our current government, or the secession of those states that wish to live by the principles and traditions of our Founding Fathers.

And that is why I support the Texas Nationalist Movement. Y’all can have the U.S.. It is NOT the great nation it once was. Not by a long shot.

bimmcorp on July 14, 2014 at 11:42 AM

texgal on July 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

I vacillate between we are doomed and one man can’t take down this country. What astounds me is the amount of white guilt over a situation that people today had no part of.

Cindy Munford on July 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Mark Begich, the Democratic Senator from Alaska, who wants his constituents to believe that he’s been a restraining force on Obama rather than an enabler.

If Democrats want to sell voters on sending “a thorn in Obama’s ass” to Washington, why choose a Democrat? In the case of Senate incumbents, why send someone whose votes enabled ObamaCare, which is one of the administration’s biggest overreaches? Begich cast his vote for the ACA, as did Mary Landrieu, Kay Hagan, Mark Pryor, and every other Democratic incumbent.

Exactly. Begich and the rest of the incumbent Democrats can’t run from the record of their Obamacare cloture vote:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00395

ITguy on July 14, 2014 at 11:54 AM

This may be slightly OT but (trying to tie it in) Begich is a typical forked-tongued politician who talks big at home and then votes for more, bigger, badder government interference in DC. People everywhere have to wake up and realize that re-electing these snakes is going to hurt them.

I have high expectations that 2014 will equal 2010 in voter intensity. I’ve lived in my present locale since 1996 and I have never seen such depression here. There never were lots of jobs but everyone who wanted a paycheck could find something to do, even the kids. Not anymore. Businesses have closed, the one major industry is timber… cutting, hauling, planting, making wood products… and it has laid off 3/4 of the workforce. Food costs 3x 2007 prices, we are stuck in a new normal above $3 for gas. It’s no wonder the number of people on foodstamps has skyrocketed.

I want to see how many safe seats are flipped in November. I want to see the pundits and gurus stammering on national TV about how they just missed all the signs… again. I don’t think the enemedia has any clue what’s about to happen. If the rest of the country looks anything like East Texas it could be ugly (for the status quo). This part of TX is a seething cauldron of p!$$ed off.

The border crisis has the potential to make the pot boil over.

jffree1 on July 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM

“Begich, the Maverick!!”

…and we all know how well the last ‘maverick’ has done for conservatives, and the nation at large. Sorry, not buying old bread in a shiny new package.

orangemtl on July 14, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Cindy Munford on July 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

One man can’t take the country down. Obozo isn’t the architect of this, every dimocrat in the country is committed to destroying America. The IRS scandal is no different than when the Clinton administration was caught red handed with the FBI files of 900 top Republicans. Progressive judges have been thwarting the will of the people for decades. Every bureaucracy is thoroughly infested with socialist that block any change they don’t like. There would be very little difference had any other dimocrat won in ’08 instead of obozo. It’s similar to the way Toohey took down Gail Wynand in the Fountainhead.

Flange on July 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM

There is a more peaceful and better way of accomplishing the effort to rein in a lawless executive branch.

Get the states to call for a constitutional convention and rewrite the thing, with more teeth that are impervious to politics and adhere to the rule of law.

Americans already tried the secession route once, resulting in the bloodiest conflict (in terms of American casualties) this country has ever known.

Conservative Mischief on July 14, 2014 at 12:05 PM

There is a more peaceful and better way of accomplishing the effort to rein in a lawless executive branch.

Get the states to call for a constitutional convention and rewrite the thing, with more teeth that are impervious to politics and adhere to the rule of law.

Americans already tried the secession route once, resulting in the bloodiest conflict (in terms of American casualties) this country has ever known.

Conservative Mischief on July 14, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Never going to happen, my friend. As a nation, we are so polarized and divided that we could never agree on the new Constitution. Face it. The country is beyond salvation. It does not require bloodshed to dissolve, either. Just the realization that a “house divided against itself cannot stand…” Lincoln was correct, only this time all the kings horses and all the kings men will not be able to put us together again.

It’s over.

bimmcorp on July 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM

One man can’t take the country down. Obozo isn’t the architect of this, every dimocrat in the country is committed to destroying America.

Flange on July 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM

They don’t want to take the nation down….they just want to fundamentally transform it. They want the social and economic structure to survive because they’ll be in need of it to fund the new form of government.

lineholder on July 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM

It’s over.

bimmcorp on July 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM

If that is genuinely true, then we’re wasting our time here.

I don’t think it’s true. I think that there are a few things that might occur that could alter the trajectory our nation is on. Whether they will happen or not is a different story.

lineholder on July 14, 2014 at 12:17 PM

They don’t want to take the nation down….they just want to fundamentally transform it. They want the social and economic structure to survive because they’ll be in need of it to fund the new form of government.

lineholder on July 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM

That’s called destroying the country as far as I’m concerned.

Flange on July 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

What I believe, is that right and wrong are not political considerations. You either believe that Barack Obama has committed impeachable offenses, or you do not. If you believe that Barack Obama has committed impeachable offenses, then impeaching him is the only moral, ethical or legal option. If you believe that Barach Obama cannot or should not be impeached, you believe so solely on the basis of the fact that you do not believe he has done anything that rises to the level of an impeachable offense.

Making the BS assertion that impeaching him is not a politically viable option, is nothing less than a piss poor justification for believing in relative political morality, wherein right and wrong are nothing more than convenient political considerations.

oscarwilde on July 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

You are confusing right and wrong with good and evil. Sometimes you need to do evil things, like going to war, because it is the right thing to do.

What is never the right thing to do, is to do exactly what Obama wants, which is us to attempt impeach him. Just as it saved Clinton’s presidency, it will do the same for him.

CaliforniaRefugee on July 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Flange on July 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

It is destroying the country when considered in the context of usurping our present form of government. Yes, that is true.

lineholder on July 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Just as it saved Clinton’s presidency, it will do the same for him.

CaliforniaRefugee on July 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Not if it comes from those on his own side. Which that could happen. Depends on how much Liberal/Progressive ideology is put at risk by Obama’s actions (or lack of action, as the case may be)

lineholder on July 14, 2014 at 12:22 PM

If that is genuinely true, then we’re wasting our time here.

I don’t think it’s true. I think that there are a few things that might occur that could alter the trajectory our nation is on. Whether they will happen or not is a different story.

lineholder on July 14, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Name one aspect of American life and/or values that we are not sharply divided on. Just one.

They don’t want to take the nation down….they just want to fundamentally transform it. They want the social and economic structure to survive because they’ll be in need of it to fund the new form of government.

Many of us do not want to be fundamentally transformed. And they ARE changing the social and economic structure . THAT, my friend, is the crux of the transformation.

As for wasting our time? Since when is attempting to preserve one’s way of life a waste of time?

bimmcorp on July 14, 2014 at 12:26 PM

There is a more peaceful and better way of accomplishing the effort to rein in a lawless executive branch.

Get the states to call for a constitutional convention and rewrite the thing, with more teeth that are impervious to politics and adhere to the rule of law.

Americans already tried the secession route once, resulting in the bloodiest conflict (in terms of American casualties) this country has ever known.

Conservative Mischief on July 14, 2014 at 12:05 PM

For what reason would you even begin to think that the federal government would obey new constitutional constraints more than the ones they openly ignore today?

Midas on July 14, 2014 at 12:31 PM

You are confusing right and wrong with good and evil. Sometimes you need to do evil things, like going to war, because it is the right thing to do.

What is never the right thing to do, is to do exactly what Obama wants, which is us to attempt impeach him. Just as it saved Clinton’s presidency, it will do the same for him.

CaliforniaRefugee on July 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

You are quite wrong, my friend. War in and of itself, is not necessarily evil. Clinton is not Obama, and Clinton’s transgressions pale in comparison to Barack Obama’s.

To paraphrase the quote from Edmund Burke:

‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’

Barack Obama is evil. Good men MUST do something about that.

bimmcorp on July 14, 2014 at 12:34 PM

What is never the right thing to do, is to do exactly what Obama wants, which is us to attempt impeach him. Just as it saved Clinton’s presidency, it will do the same for him.

CaliforniaRefugee on July 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

With all due respect, you can shove this right where you most imagine it would cause the most discomfort.

That “never the right thing to do” is *prescribed* as appropriate and required action by Congress, our representatives.

If that isn’t the right thing to do, all that remains is revolution, period. Impeachment is not only the ‘right thing to do’, it is the only redress left to us, the people, *short* of open revolution.

Midas on July 14, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Since when is attempting to preserve one’s way of life a waste of time?

bimmcorp on July 14, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Very much so agree. Took your Humpty Dumpty references in a broader content implying generally hopelessness…and it’s a mindset we can’t afford to get sucked down into, IMO.

I don’t want to see our nation fundamentally transformed either.

I never said that it wasn’t being transformed, socially and economically. To move this government and our society in the direction of being rooted in socialism requires a state-managed economy where citizens are increasingly dependent on government for their livelihood, not only through social programs but also through government-driven economic activity.

lineholder on July 14, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Cantorize this creep in Nov., at all costs.

Schadenfreude on July 14, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Very much so agree. Took your Humpty Dumpty references in a broader content implying generally hopelessness…and it’s a mindset we can’t afford to get sucked down into, IMO.

I don’t want to see our nation fundamentally transformed either.

I never said that it wasn’t being transformed, socially and economically. To move this government and our society in the direction of being rooted in socialism requires a state-managed economy where citizens are increasingly dependent on government for their livelihood, not only through social programs but also through government-driven economic activity.

lineholder on July 14, 2014 at 12:37 PM

If, as you say, you do not wish for the ‘fundamental transformation of America’, you have but two viable choices. Impeachment or revolution.

To actually believe that given the current condition of the Republican Party and the candidates they foist upon us, we can work within the system and change the trajectory is naive at best.

If not now…When?
If not us…Who?
If not for our progeny…Why??

bimmcorp on July 14, 2014 at 1:13 PM

bimmcorp on July 14, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Who do you see leading the charge of impeachment, bimmcorp? Regardless of what we might think on the issue, who within the Repub party do you see willing to lead that charge?

Political expediency issues aside, just dealing with reality, THIS is the fly in the ointment for pro-impeachment arguments right now…there’s no one in a position where it will carry legal weight to lead the change of impeachment.

As for revolution…nothing would please the Obama admin more at this point. Perfect excuse to implement martial law, maybe do some firearm confiscations.

If those are our only two options, then we’re seriously in trouble!!!

lineholder on July 14, 2014 at 1:49 PM

“Nothing”

Schadenfreude on July 14, 2014 at 2:29 PM

If those are our only two options, then we’re seriously in trouble!!!

lineholder on July 14, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Starve the beast. If the House will not cut off his money, “We the people” should report to work tomorrow morning and change our tax documents to reflect enough dependents to take monthly income tax withholding to $0. If you are worried about year end, save the money to pay next April, but contribute nothing until then.

OldSnakeDriver on July 14, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Didn’t Begich mean he’s a tongue up Obama’s butt?

bbinfl on July 14, 2014 at 5:26 PM