This is CNN: White gay man and black woman argue over who is ‘stealing’ the other’s culture

posted at 6:01 pm on July 11, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Israel is preparing to invade Gaza. The president has admitted that there is a “humanitarian crisis” on the southern border. The Internal Revenue Service’s Lois Lerner may have sought to hide documents from congressional investigators. VA whistleblowers testified that they were intimidated and targeted for retaliation by their superiors. And if all of that substantive news isn’t really your thing, LeBron James did something or other today, too.

It is with that backdrop that this painfully silly segment on CNN becomes even more obscenely ridiculous.

On Friday, CNN anchor Don Lemon hosted a heated debate over whether white gay men are “stealing” black female culture. This critically important topic of paramount relevance was brought to you by Time , which did the world a favor by republishing an op-ed in a University of Mississippi newspaper penned by a student.

Here is an excerpt from University of Mississippi senior Sierra Mannie’s piece:

What I do know is that I don’t care how well you can quote Madea, who told you that your booty was getting bigger than hers, how cute you think it is to call yourself a strong black woman, who taught you to twerk, how funny you think it is to call yourself Quita or Keisha or for which black male you’ve been bottoming — you are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. It is not yours. It is not for you.

And to think that it was just last week when we were all one nation watching soccer together. Seems like a lifetime ago.

Fortunately, CNN made everything worse on Friday when the network erected an altar to the church of the self where the religion of identity was celebrated in a manner fundamentally incongruous with comity or mutual understanding (h/t @MeredithDake.

You don’t have to watch the segment if you don’t want to. Believe me, I understand. The bottom line is that both of these two guests resent each other because they believe the other is encroaching on and adopting aspects of the other’s sacred identity.

These people appear to be young, and it is possible that no one has yet told them to get over themselves. It is coming. Try to be patient with them in the meantime.


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“You got my id in your ego!”

“YOU GOT YOUR EGO ON MY ID!”

Painful. Just… painful.

Jazz on July 11, 2014 at 6:05 PM

“what makes us all amazing”…I’m shocked he didn’t say “makes us fabulous”.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 6:07 PM

OH, No you did’uhnt!

Of course gays get to play sassy black gals. And white rappers like Macklemore and Timerlake can do a modern day minstrel show without a peep of protest as they’re politically correct. Know mmmm sayin’?

Marcus on July 11, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Stupidity. Just utter stupidity.

Aizen on July 11, 2014 at 6:08 PM

You used both comity and incongruous yet stumbled by substituting manor for manner.

Charlemagne on July 11, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Wha?

formwiz on July 11, 2014 at 6:10 PM

“Black women in America are persecuted”?

The dude is schnapsed.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 6:10 PM

This is CNN Insanity

Fixed

UltimateBob on July 11, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Yeah… I got nothing.

Raquel Pinkbullet on July 11, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Where the hell is an asteroid when you really need one, anyway?

Gator Country on July 11, 2014 at 6:12 PM

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA snort, choke HAHAHAHA cough, wheeze HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha chuckle, snort, sniff

wipes tear

Good times, man, good times. The only thing funnier would be watching either one of these two useless food filters trying to assemble a piece of IKEA furniture.

M240H on July 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM

So one’s a racist, one’s a homophobe and the third one’s a CNN anchor.

Flange on July 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM

You don’t have to watch the segment if you don’t want to.

I wasn’t going to any way. But thanks for giving me permission.

cozmo on July 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM

So one’s a racist, one’s a homophobe and the third one’s a CNN anchor.

Flange on July 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Pistols for three, coffee for one.

The coffee goes to the one who shoots the survivor.

Gator Country on July 11, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Well this the absurdity of political correctness today…

sorrowen on July 11, 2014 at 6:19 PM

so a gay guy, a black chick, and gay black CNN reporter go into a bar…

burserker on July 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM

So one’s a racist, one’s a homophobe and the third one’s a CNN anchor.

Flange on July 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM

But you repeat yourself. :D

Aizen on July 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM

So, you aren’t a strong black woman, or a ghetto girl, or any of that other foolery that some of you with trash Vine accounts try to be. It’s okay. You don’t have to be. No one asked you to be. You weren’t ever meant to be. What you can be, however, is part of the solution.

Check your privilege.

http://time.com/2969951/dear-white-gays-stop-stealing-black-female-culture/

Finally, someone else is saying it.

Axe on July 11, 2014 at 6:22 PM

how funny you think it is to call yourself Quita or Keisha or for which black male you’ve been bottoming

there’s something wrong with this accusation — other, i mean, than it not even being real english.

doesn’t ms mannie (sorry, you don’t get to call yourself “man”…it’s not for you) know that black males are famously unpopular within the homosexual “community”? even black gays overwhelmingly (and sometimes exclusively) desire white partners.

jaxisaneurophysicist on July 11, 2014 at 6:25 PM

I finally cancelled CNN but still tune into CNNi regularly which actually covers a lot of world news and not every event is looked at through the prism of how it will affect Obama, Dems, GOP, or 2016.

These segments never make it to CNNi.

can_con on July 11, 2014 at 6:27 PM

The coffee goes to the one who shoots the survivor.

Gator Country on July 11, 2014 at 6:18 PM

I’m running low on coffee so I’ll do it. Oh who am I kidding, I’m not running low on coffee, I just wanted an excuse.

Flange on July 11, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Also from British news cast: the public flips out after Ballroom Dancing association clarifies that official Ballroom Dancing competitions are for pairs consisting of one man and one woman unless otherwise stated.

Count to 10 on July 11, 2014 at 6:30 PM

She made the mistake of making it only about homosexual white men.

What she should had done was frame it in the context of misogyny.

Somehow it’s perfectly fine for homosexual men of all stripes to openly mock women (whether in/out of drag) but it’s never okay to mock homosexual men.

I for one have never understood why women find it so endearing when homosexual men imitate them in the most grotesque ways while complaining about the boorish behaviors of heterosexual men.

Homosexual drag isn’t any different than blackface.

The Ugly American on July 11, 2014 at 6:30 PM

So one’s a racist, one’s a homophobe and the third one’s a CNN anchor.

Flange on July 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM

But you repeat yourself. :D

Aizen on July 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM

So one’s a racist, one’s a homophobe and the third one’s a CNN anchor.

Flange on July 11, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Let me fix this:

So one’s a racist, one’s a homophobe and the third one’s a CNN anchor walk into a gay bar…

Flange on July 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM

TX-eye on July 11, 2014 at 6:35 PM

These people appear to be young, and it is possible that no one has yet told them to get over themselves. It is coming.

Is it? Seems to me like the nation is hellbent on embracing this kind of insanity.

xblade on July 11, 2014 at 6:36 PM

What I do know is that I don’t care how well you can quote Madea, who told you that your booty was getting bigger than hers, how cute you think it is to call yourself a strong black woman, who taught you to twerk, how funny you think it is to call yourself Quita or Keisha or for which black male you’ve been bottoming — you are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. It is not yours. It is not for you.

one problem with the mindset of whoever wrote this is that it reduces black women to a stereotype. are you serious??? i don’t act like that. you’re doing us no favors. stop acting like we’re all the same.

the other problem is that she is trying to say that gay men shouldn’t be allowed to act a certain way? wtf. i hate this “cultural appropriation” bs that tries to restrict the way people talk, dress, act, do whatever they want in their lives… oh no, people are only allowed to stay within the boundaries of whatever their culture is!! what an incredibly sad way to look at the world- grouping people by race and culture and then acting like everyone in the group is the same. liberals are so annoying.

Sachiko on July 11, 2014 at 6:41 PM

what an incredibly sad way to look at the world- grouping people by race and culture and then acting like everyone in the group is the same. liberals are so annoying.

Sachiko on July 11, 2014 at 6:41 PM

^

*redneck hetero-snap*

Axe on July 11, 2014 at 6:43 PM

What I do know is that I don’t care how well you can quote Madea, who told you that your booty was getting bigger than hers, how cute you think it is to call yourself a strong black woman, who taught you to twerk, how funny you think it is to call yourself Quita or Keisha or for which black male you’ve been bottoming — you are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. It is not yours. It is not for you.

Gonna have to agree with the black woman. I have seen this with feminine gay men as well who think because they sleep with men; that they somehow can understand what it means to be a woman.

Just because you sleep with men does not mean you get to call me a bi+ch, and certainly doesn’t mean you are a woman or even remotely understand what it is like to be a woman.

melle1228 on July 11, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Somehow it’s perfectly fine for homosexual men of all stripes to openly mock women (whether in/out of drag) but it’s never okay to mock homosexual men.

I for one have never understood why women find it so endearing when homosexual men imitate them in the most grotesque ways while complaining about the boorish behaviors of heterosexual men.

Homosexual drag isn’t any different than blackface.

The Ugly American on July 11, 2014 at 6:30 PM

This ^^

melle1228 on July 11, 2014 at 6:45 PM

What I do know is that I don’t care how well you can quote Madea, who told you that your booty was getting bigger than hers, how cute you think it is to call yourself a strong black woman, who taught you to twerk, how funny you think it is to call yourself Quita or Keisha or for which black male you’ve been bottoming — you are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. It is not yours. It is not for you.

So that’s what black culture is! Got it. I’m so jealous. To think, I’ve been reading Sophocles and Proust all these years, instead of bottoming for a black male.

Anyway, girlfriend’s just mad the queens are taking their boyfriends away. Doesn’t take much. They learned to prefer gay sex in prison.

Joseph K on July 11, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Black chick needs to get over it.

DisneyFan on July 11, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Hot Air’s Noah Rothman: Covering the dreck that even Allah won’t wade into.

Fine work.

Splashman on July 11, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Anyway, girlfriend’s just mad the queens are taking their boyfriends away. Doesn’t take much. They learned to prefer gay sex in prison.

Joseph K on July 11, 2014 at 6:46 PM

This is real.My sides are hurting.

docflash on July 11, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Girl, please.

CurtZHP on July 11, 2014 at 6:49 PM

She made the mistake of making it only about homosexual white men.

What she should had done was frame it in the context of misogyny.

Somehow it’s perfectly fine for homosexual men of all stripes to openly mock women (whether in/out of drag) but it’s never okay to mock homosexual men.

I for one have never understood why women find it so endearing when homosexual men imitate them in the most grotesque ways while complaining about the boorish behaviors of heterosexual men.

Homosexual drag isn’t any different than blackface.

The Ugly American on July 11, 2014 at 6:30 PM

yeah i’ve never liked the whole “drag” thing. i never liked the way that (some) gay men act in ways that seem overly “feminine.” i always found it annoying. the thing i hate most is those gay men who talk in that irritating tone of voice like they are trying to imitate a teenage girl or something. it’s on tv a lot. on reality tv, every time you see a gay man, they have that voice… ugggggh

that said, if those people want to act that way then whatever. i may not like it but they can do that if it makes them happy. i dislike the “cultural appropriation” accusations thrown at them for that. still, i was just ranting a bit, because i personally find it annoying. XD and, i know that some gay men dislike it too because it creates a stereotype.

idk what the point of this comment was, i’m just rambling

Sachiko on July 11, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Too much head wagging and lisping. Solution? As usual, they should be slapped until they wet their pants.

Mason on July 11, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Jospeph K. @ 6:46

OUCH!! That one’s gonna leave a mark!

teacherman on July 11, 2014 at 6:52 PM

There is no turn off so quick as a gay man who talks/sounds like a woman, regardless of the skin color.

Jedditelol on July 11, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Gonna have to agree with the black woman. I have seen this with feminine gay men as well who think because they sleep with men; that they somehow can understand what it means to be a woman.

Just because you sleep with men does not mean you get to call me a bi+ch, and certainly doesn’t mean you are a woman or even remotely understand what it is like to be a woman.

melle1228 on July 11, 2014 at 6:44 PM

oh yeah, definitely. if you want to act in “feminine” ways just for fun, as a joke, self-aware and self-depreciating, then whatever. (i still think it’s kinda annoying though) but if you seriously try to pretend to be a woman then… no. you’re still a man. okay?

but anyway it’s fun to see social justice warriors fight against each other. white people or cishet people, which group is more privileged?? see this is what happens when you are obsessed with privilege. it gets confusing when you have situations like this.

Sachiko on July 11, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Just because you sleep with men does not mean you get to call me a bi+ch, and certainly doesn’t mean you are a woman or even remotely understand what it is like to be a woman.

melle1228 on July 11, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Homophobe!

And you need to tell your buddy from Duck Dynasty that his inability to find a man’s an*s (aka his lady parts) attractive is more evidence of his outright hate towards homosexuals. An*s V@gina…same thing. Get over it.

CW on July 11, 2014 at 6:55 PM

#HonestTalkOnRace or something…

blockchords on July 11, 2014 at 6:56 PM

oh yeah! guess what, i found something that i haven’t seen in a while. someone on this site brought it up one time and then it got deleted, then i found it again…

***social justice tumblr argument generator***

this is the greatest thing ever. you all must try it. =)

Sachiko on July 11, 2014 at 6:57 PM

I wanted to prove I wasn’t a racist homophobe and listen to the gay brother and black sister and I only made it past intros of the simpering gay guy and the angry black diva. They made Lemon a symbol of normalcy both as a gay and black man but I couldn’t take any more.

katiejane on July 11, 2014 at 6:58 PM

When two overwrought, self-important cliques collide, it’s hard to do anything but laugh.
ID and ego, in deed.

Count to 10 on July 11, 2014 at 6:58 PM

OH, No you did’uhnt!

Of course gays get to play sassy black gals. And white rappers like Macklemore and Timerlake can do a modern day minstrel show without a peep of protest as they’re politically correct. Know mmmm sayin’?

Marcus on July 11, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Girl, bye.

slickwillie2001 on July 11, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Homophobe!

And you need to tell your buddy from Duck Dynasty that his inability to find a man’s an*s (aka his lady parts) attractive is more evidence of his outright hate towards homosexuals. An*s V@gina…same thing. Get over it.

CW on July 11, 2014 at 6:55 PM

LOL– When a gay man can shoot a bowling ball out his nose is the day will accept that they are “sistas.”

melle1228 on July 11, 2014 at 7:00 PM

And you thought a female’s period was bad….

CW on July 11, 2014 at 7:04 PM

“I’m the bigger victim”… “No, I’m the bigger victim!”

They should have their own island, “Victim Island” and they should be made to live there. Now that would be a reality show. Imagine if we could get the cannibalism to coincide with sweeps week, It would be a ratings killer.

V7_Sport on July 11, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Does this mean Noah is in charge of handling the Homo stories at HotAir now?

reddevil on July 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM

There is no turn off so quick as a gay man who talks/sounds like a woman, regardless of the skin color.

Jedditelol on July 11, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Exactly.

The Ugly American on July 11, 2014 at 7:17 PM

From Breitbart:

In televised remarks on Egypt’s Al-Tahrir TV on June 26 and translated into English by the Middle East Media Research Institute, cleric Mazhar Shahin told his viewers that members of the Muslim Brotherhood were engaging in homosexual anal sex acts as a way to “wage jihad in the name of Allah.” It was a “new kind of jihad,” he explained, where “they practice homosexuality with one another, thinking, wrongly, that this constitutes jihad for the sake of Allah.” The acts are sanctioned if the jihadists are far from their wives. He does not explain how engaging in homosexual sex in private furthers the cause of establishing an Islamic caliphate – the goal of most mujahidin – but compares it with “sexual jihad,” an act he describes as when “somebody takes a woman and has sex with her because he is waging jihad.”

Libfree rethinks Islam.

CW on July 11, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Black people can’t have anything. Any of these things include, but aren’t limited to: a general sense of physical safety, comfort with law enforcement, adequate funding and appreciation for black spaces like schools and neighborhoods, appropriate venues for our voices to be heard about criticism of issues without our race going on trial because of it, and solid voting rights (cc: Chris McDaniel).

This part is even worse than what Noah quoted. Black spaces??? Good lord. This girl probably took classes from libfree.

DisneyFan on July 11, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Israel is preparing to invade Gaza. The president has admitted that there is a “humanitarian crisis” on the southern border. The Internal Revenue Service’s Lois Lerner may have sought to hide documents from congressional investigators. VA whistleblowers testified that they were intimidated and targeted for retaliation by their superiors. And if all of that substantive news isn’t really your thing, LeBron James did something or other today, too.

We’re going to be needing a lot more empathy bears.

Happy Nomad on July 11, 2014 at 7:40 PM

This part is even worse than what Noah quoted. Black spaces??? Good lord. This girl probably took classes from libfree.

DisneyFan on July 11, 2014 at 7:32 PM

I didn’t read Sierra Mannie’s piece. I make it a rule not to read stuff that is based in racial hatred.

But I can guess the context. Predominantly black schools and neighborhoods are supposedly havens of safety for blacks uncomfortable with living among other races. It is the same reasoning why historic black colleges refuse to become colleges. Imagine if a white person made the same case why neighborhoods or schools should be white spaces.

Happy Nomad on July 11, 2014 at 7:46 PM

♫I’m the very first horse on the Meery-Go-Round
All the others are following ME♫

thelastminstrel on July 11, 2014 at 7:51 PM

It’s like a battle of wits between unarmed opponents.

squint on July 11, 2014 at 7:55 PM

If I say “You go, girl,” I’m not sure whom I’m supporting.

BuckeyeSam on July 11, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Nobody will ever steal my culture. It’s mine, I’m not changing it.

I don’t want anything to do with black people’s culture….if they have one. They can keep it, and if it violates the law I expect them to pay for it in time. Same with my culture, except mine doesn’t involve anything I’d ever go to jail for…

…currently that is, obama still has a couple years to work on that one though.

Diluculo on July 11, 2014 at 9:03 PM

It’s like a battle of wits between unarmed opponents.

squint on July 11, 2014 at 7:55 PM

I giggle hard on this one.

DocJ on July 11, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Far more people saw that here than on the actual CiNsaNity original broadcast.

jukin3 on July 11, 2014 at 10:43 PM

So many classic lines:

“All of a sudden Miley Cyrus is the queen of twerking, well that has been happening in black culture for years!”

“when your trying to be cute or funny or gay and you walk up to people saying: hey girl…”

“The non-black people who get to enjoy all the fun things about blackness will never have to experience the ugliness of the black experience, systematic racism and the dangers of simply living while black.”

“You can hide your homosexuality, listen, let me tell you, if I ask people on the screen, if I said, which one of these people on the screen is gay? nobody would know that.”

That’s gold Jerry, Gold!!

Dollayo on July 11, 2014 at 10:45 PM

Just received a disappointing reply from Nancy Pelosi to an email I sent asking for her explanation of the weak response to the border crisis.

She replied ” Rot in hell!!!!!!!! GET OFF MY GODDAMN CASE OR I’LL LITERALLY REPORT YOU FOR EXPLOITATION OF AGENDER & PARASPECIES-TYPE DOLPHINKINS!!!!! NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR PATRIARCHIST SMALLFAT OPINION, YOU CISHET-OVERPRIVILEGED TRANSMISOGYNIST!!! I LITERALLY HOPE YOUR ASSHOLE PROLAPSES, YOU WHITE-OVERPRIVILEGED BINARIST!!!!! how often do I have to tell you to respect that I’m literally a foxkin this week!!!!!! I LITERALLY HOPE YOU FUCKING DIE IN A FIRE, YOU BINARY-OVERPRIVILEGED MRA!!!! You can be a multiethnic CAFAB & still have some middle class fucking privilege!!!!!! WHY THE HELL SHOULD I ACCEPT YOUR GODDAMN CREEP OPINION??? Shut up & never reblog my posts ever again.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify this situation.

Sincerely,
Nancy Pelosi
Member of Congress
Pope in Exile

Mason on July 11, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Yeah… I got nothing.

Raquel Pinkbullet on July 11, 2014 at 6:11 PM

So, if I understand this story … the black chick and the sissy white gay guy — moderated by the gay black guy — are arguing that the other one is stealing their (wretched) culture?

Super.

Jaibones on July 11, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Guys and gals, what can I say but

THANK YOU!!

I haven’t had so many laughs since I can’t remember when. And Noah, thanks for permission NOT to watch this clip. To me, watching CNN is akin to pulling up a lawn chair next to a cesspool and expecting to see anything other than, well, the obvious.

oldleprechaun on July 12, 2014 at 12:09 AM

But what if you’re a straight black woman trapped in a gay white man’s body?? This is SO transphobic.

Moron Labe on July 12, 2014 at 2:29 AM

This is emblematic of the reason that I don’t have cable.

Theophile on July 12, 2014 at 3:49 AM

The Victim Olympics.

BKennedy on July 12, 2014 at 7:08 AM

Black culture has been stealing from gay culture for decades. In the realm of street fashion it is documented.

Esaus Message on July 12, 2014 at 8:00 AM

Dear lord, that was painful to watch.

I’m wondering if my generation was this clueless?

Michh on July 12, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Dear lord, that was painful to watch.

I’m wondering if my generation was this clueless?

Michh on July 12, 2014 at 11:11 AM

I would bet no.

This level of stupid requires an immersive education in it. It cannot come naturally alone.

BKennedy on July 12, 2014 at 11:24 AM

We’ve hit bottom.

Get busy living on July 12, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Oh, come on, Noah…Really? You have nothing better to offer us than THIS????

This ain’t Mediaite, dude. Rapidly running out of patience for you, son.

bimmcorp on July 12, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Black culture has been stealing from gay culture for decades. In the realm of street fashion it is documented.

Esaus Message on July 12, 2014 at 8:00 AM

I don’t know. Isn’t that that a chicken/egg question?

ncinca on July 12, 2014 at 2:19 PM

♫I’m the very first horse on the Meery-Go-Round
All the others are following ME♫

thelastminstrel on July 11, 2014 at 7:51 PM

————

Hilarious.

The first thing I thought of was that this should be Obama’s theme song, describing his journey from insecure biracial male to “self-actualized Marxist”

————

Horace the horse on the merry-go-round
Went up and down, round and round
He’s been sad since the day he found
He’s the very last horse on the merry-go-round

The music began and away they go
High and low, to and fro
Poor old Horace would always say
“I’m the very last horse again today.”

How he tried and tried and tried
But he just never could win.
Horace cried and cried and cried
cause all the other horses were ahead of him

Then came the day on the merry-go-round
When Horace turned, looked around
Then said “Gosh oh gee –
I’m the very first horse on the merry-go-round,
The others are following me!”

jmad on July 12, 2014 at 4:48 PM

What she should had done was frame it in the context of misogyny.
The Ugly American on July 11, 2014 at 6:30 PM

MISOGYNY and MYSOGYNIST must always be capitalized when writing in a blog since they are never spoken in a volume below 105 db.
/s (in case you didn’t notice)

yesiamapirate on July 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Black women are not worried about gay men stealing their culture.

Black women are worried about gay men stealing their men.

Haiku Guy on July 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM