Palin makes the case for impeaching Obama

posted at 5:21 pm on July 11, 2014 by Allahpundit

Her op-ed earlier this week focused on immigration. Today’s op-ed is a more comprehensive indictment, starting with the case that “high crimes and misdemeanors” includes dereliction of duty, not just statutory crimes.

I want to quote this part:

Impeachment is the ultimate check on an out-of-control executive branch. It is serious, not to be used for petty partisan purposes; and it is imperative that it becomes a matter of legitimate discussion before the American people lose all trust in our federal government.

Impeachment requires moral courage to advance what is right, and it requires political will. A complacent or disheartened electorate may silently endure these abuses from the administration, the permanent political class is only too happy to maintain the status quo, and the mainstream media is not a fair watchdog. So, the nation’s last line of defense is for We the People to rise up and say, “enough is enough.”

Some argue that at best the House might vote for articles of impeachment, but the Senate is unlikely to convict. But that is no argument against holding a president accountable and sending the people’s message to all successors

The only thing necessary to transform America into something unrecognizable is for good men to do nothing! If not these violations and the president’s promise to continue to “go it alone” in ignoring the separation of powers and rule of law, what will it take for you to take a stand? How bad does it have to get?

Ultimately, she’s saying, this all comes down to public outrage, which is exactly right — but that’s why there’s going to be no impeachment. Right? If the wider public shared her many objections to Obama — power grabs, amnesty, ObamaCare, NSA spying, Benghazi, the Bergdahl prisoner swap — his job approval would be in single digits. As it is, he’s at 41 percent, which is poor but not nearly so atrociously bad that any congressional Democrats would feel compelled to remove him from office. Even among the 54-55 percent who disapprove of his job performance, there are bound to be loads of people who think that he’s guilty of nothing more than incompetence, not dereliction of duty worthy of the first successful forcible ouster of the president in American history. I haven’t seen any polls on impeachment lately, but I’d guess that impeachment supporters would start with something like 55-60 percent of the public opposed (all Democrats and a majority of indies) and 40 percent or so in favor (most Republicans). Once the media went to work on “GOP extremism,” Democrats started rolling out talking points about how the “party of no” isn’t interested in real solutions for the middle class, and a few centrist Republicans in Congress publicly expressed opposition, it’d probably move another 10 points against. What then?

Rick Wilson wrote a post for Ricochet yesterday about the impossible politics of steering impeachment through Congress:

Give me your elevator pitch, not for impeachment qua impeachment, but for how the story plays out from the announcement to Obama mounting the steps of Marine One and flashing a Nixonian farewell salute. What’s your Day One communication strategy when we begin impeachment proceedings? What’s the Day Two strategy? What’s the strategy after the first week? Who are the legislative handlers? Who are the key faces for the media? What’s the timetable, the media plan, the surrogate plan…all the boring block-and-tackle stuff? What happens when your rock-solid arguments melt under legal challenges from every quarter?

Did you remember there are other players in this game? Did you forget that the American people are notoriously fickle? Did you forget that the media still yields a mighty power to misrepresent, to distort, and to flat-out lie about what you’re trying to accomplish? What happens when this raises $50 million in online donation for the bad guys? What happens when they start dropping oppo like nukes on every member of the impeachment committee? What happens when Americans who are bored and restless decide you’re not talking about their lives, but just playing inside Washington games? What happens to the message strategy of every GOP House, Senate, and Governor candidate in the country? What happens when this doesn’t turn bring the White House to heel but instead becomes the only rallying cry that could wake Democrats from their post-Obama, post-Obamacare funk? What happens when Harry Reid slits your throat by not allowing the Senate to pass judgment.

All of which, again, is to say that Palin’s right — it’s the public that will determine whether impeachment is viable or not. What evidence do you have, though, that they think it’s viable? Outside of conservative media, who out there in the electorate is terribly exercised about Obama planning to unilaterally amnestize five million illegals once he’s busy shrugging off the current border crisis? Jonathan Turley seems pretty upset, and … that’s about it. The hard truth, I think, is that Americans don’t much care how the federal government operates as long as it gets them to an outcome they prefer. Raising the minimum wage is popular within the general electorate; if Obama issued an order tomorrow decreeing that that wage shall be raised, whether or not Congress approves, that’d be an egregious affront to separation of powers but even that probably wouldn’t inspire much outrage outside the right. Most voters would conclude that they like the outcome, so oh well. Whether that’s always been the case or is something new that’s developed, possibly (and ironically) as a reaction to growing cynicism about government, is beyond my reach. But it may be (also ironically) that our complacent political class, which Palin correctly identifies as being happy with the status quo, is nonetheless a better bet at this point to police itself on civic issues like separation of powers than the broader public is to police it. That’s the only reason I can think of for why Obama hasn’t (yet) issued the sort of minimum-wage order I just described. Maybe, for now, that’s a constitutional bridge too far even for him, although probably not for most of his voters. Gonna take a very high crime for Americans to ever support impeachment, I suspect, even as the weak norms against broad executive control of government continue to erode.

In related news, even some of the more solidly conservative members of the House see impeachment as an exercise in futility. Exit question: If I’m wrong about all this and the public is secretly ready to rally to the GOP’s side against O, then impeaching him would be a political winner even if Harry Reid blocks it in the Senate. Political parties usually rush to seize a political winner when they see it — and yet Republicans across the spectrum, from Boehner and McCain to Ted Cruz and Erick Erickson, seem reluctant to pursue this one. How come?


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darwin on July 11, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Oh, I definitely agree with you there. That is one reason why I tend to reference Cruz more than anyone else in DC. He actually is a conservative trying to make a difference.

And I love how he’s calling out Barry on the border crisis he alone is responsible for.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Obama’s not going to be impeached, and Palin’s not going to run.

If the one is worth attempting anyway, why isn’t the other?

But while she IS agitating for impeachment, she won’t run. Honestly, I don’t get it. Unless some of her naysayers have a point, which I hate to concede, but…

Kensington on July 11, 2014 at 6:01 PM

It was republicans that forced Nixon out, the fact that 100% of democrats have no problem with this guy says more about them than I could have ever imagined. We are doomed.

Rancher on July 11, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Axe on July 11, 2014 at 5:59 PM

lol! You made me laugh. :)

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:02 PM

freaks is perfect in your now, and I’m not even a SP adherent.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Wat? Do you even english bro?

beverlyfreaks on July 11, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Cruz, like the experienced prosecutor he is, side stepped the question with a technicality. Shrewed move on his part.

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 5:56 PM

You are correct sir..:)

Dire Straits on July 11, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Give me your elevator pitch, not for impeachment qua impeachment, but for how the story plays out from the announcement to Obama mounting the steps of Marine One and flashing a Nixonian farewell salute.

OK.

The point of impeachment is to pin the “wrong track” numbers directly to the Dem Party. Currently, the direction of the country polls 26% right direction, 64% wrong track. Obama and the GOP are sharing blame for the failures of Washington. The GOP has to re-establish conservatism. William Buckley famously did this for the last generation: stand astride history and yell stop!

Impeachment is the best method to yell stop and re-establish conservatism in 2014. Outline examples of Obama’s lawlessness that are currently only in the conservative media, and they will enter into the mainstream media and the historical record. If we are fortunate, then that is strong enough to remove Obama from office (10% likely), then, great. If not (90% likely), the GOP will firmly re-establish its principles and stand as the conservative party that is not responsible for the “wrong track” that the country is on.

sauldalinsky on July 11, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Obama planning to unilaterally amnestize five million illegals once he’s busy shrugging off the current border crisis?

Oh come on. It’s this sort of propaganda that is used specifically to keep public anger in check.

Five million illegals? The actual number is well over 20 MILLION, and everyone knows it. Plus, the “current border crisis” is clearly of obama’s making – it is not some random, organic crisis that obama is struggling to deal with, or “shrugging off” – it is a full-scale invasion, orchestrated by obama and his cabal.

Any non-politician who is not angry about obama’s invasion, or any of the long list of obama’s shocking crimes against America, is not paying attention – and this is due in large part to inaccurate reporting of the facts by mainstream, and not-so-mainstream media.

Sure, Sarah knows that impeachment is a long-shot, but, her call for impeachment is headline news – around the world, and she is drawing attention to obama’s crimes, and the peril that America is in. It would be nice if Hot Air took America’s current situation as seriously as Sarah does.

Pork-Chop on July 11, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Watching, and enduring, the abuses of this president, and his administration, has been like sliding down a razor blade. I’ll be relieved when it has come to a final conclusion.

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:00 PM

This is an Undignified President, one for the ages, worst of all of them.

Don’t let him get to your better nature. He’s not worth your nerves. Just mock him, 24/7. He hates nothing more. Mock also the fools who brung him, twice. I hope he destroys all their Utopian b/s.

On the final conclusion, there might not be one. Just get ready to gulch.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Obama will hang himself just merely give him the rope…exec action on immagration would be a good rope.

sorrowen on July 11, 2014 at 6:03 PM

The more people calling for Obama’s embalming … I mean impeachment … the better. Even if there is virtually no chance of a Senate convictions, the case for impeachment, which is an overwhelming one, needs to be made as silence is tantamount to approval.

VorDaj on July 11, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Have you heard of a new concept called leadership?

Brian1972 on July 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM

Who, exactly, has she “led” around to her position? The only thing she has done is successfully unify the GOP… against her position!! And given the opposition media a straw man upon which to chew.

Bravo, Governor. Bravo…

JohnGalt23 on July 11, 2014 at 6:04 PM

urban elitist on July 11, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Sarah is just following Alinsky but of course the left can’t play on the other side of their game. Raise hell, make outlandish claims and see if it sticks, but Sarah tells the truth.

tim c on July 11, 2014 at 6:04 PM

VorDaj on July 11, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Why he fears nothing more than losing the senate, the snake.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 6:05 PM

I’ll be relieved when it has come to a final conclusion.

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:00 PM

It is with the most profound sadness I must inform you, no, you absolutely will not. If Obama is not Impeached, then his lowest most egregious crime becomes the new high water mark.

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Obama will hang himself just merely give him the rope…exec action on immagration would be a good rope.

sorrowen on July 11, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Agreed..:)

Dire Straits on July 11, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Rancher on July 11, 2014 at 6:01 PM

I was just a kid during Watergate, but sure remember my parents talking about it many evenings at the dinner table. As you said, Rs wanted Nixon out. There was bipartisan agreement on the matter.

Back then the country was not so polarized. The majority of people wanted what was best for the Republic.

Today, as long as people have their wide screen TVs to watch the Kardashians, as well as cell phones and countless gadgets, they are happy. Very few are engaged enough to even know what’s going on.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Those who are afraid to fight because they believe that it is hopeless are not needed. Impeach. Drag all the information out into the daylight and let LIV’s see it for the first time. Force the complicit media into a corner. Fight!

Dog walker on July 11, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 6:03 PM

I’m better prepared than I’ve ever been as a result of the changes I’ve been working on recently.

I know you’re well prepared and ready, my friend. :)

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Watching, and enduring, the abuses of this president, and his administration, has been like sliding down a razor blade. I’ll be relieved when it has come to a final conclusion.

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Hear!..Hear!..:)

Dire Straits on July 11, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Move it to the left, now.
Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM

yeah, and you go for yourself.

whatcat on July 11, 2014 at 6:07 PM

I like the way Palin has expanded this to illustrate a wide misuse and abuse of executive powers. That concept seems to be one that few people in our nation understand these days. No Repubs in Congress are willing to take it on, particularly during an election season.

She’s also emphasizing the responsibilities of we the people, under the Constitution, which we don’t hear a lot about these days. Most of what we hear is about rights, not responsibilities.

I’m glad she’s been willing to take this one on.

lineholder on July 11, 2014 at 6:07 PM

The alternative is to do nothing and then the GOP rightly will share blame for the collapse of our contry.

sauldalinsky on July 11, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 6:05 PM

I actually have a theory that Dear Leader WANTS to lose the Senate, so that his last couple of years he can put his demagoguing of Rs into overdrive, and sign all the EO he wants.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:09 PM

However as Palin correctly points out we are in a unique situation where not even our elected representatives care about protecting the constitution. Once the judicial and legislative branches of government abidcate their responsibility to reign in the executive branch, the only remaining straw to grasp at is for a popular uprising powerful enough to light a fire under them.

Yeah … but at that point it’s clear that the system is dead and buried. Perhaps there could be one last gasp of integrity, but that wouldn’t ultimately fix what is clearly broken beyond repair.

The differnece between Palin and myself is she seems to have retained a modicum of faith in the American electorate.

Kataklysmic on July 11, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Yep. I retain faith in a portion of the electorate and that is why the only solution left – really – is a national divorce and for Americans and America-haters to go their separate ways in separate nations. There is no other solution to this. This nation has already shown that it has no Rule of Law and will not again. That ship – to restore America – has long sailed. All that is available now, to have an American Constitutional Republic exist in the world, is to start a new one. This nation is toast.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 11, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Kensington on July 11, 2014 at 5:33 PM

Sarah Palin runs for President in 2016 , the Only question is GOP or Independent / Third Party .

Unaffiliated4P on July 11, 2014 at 6:10 PM

I actually have a theory that Dear Leader WANTS to lose the Senate, so that his last couple of years he can put his demagoguing of Rs into overdrive, and sign all the EO he wants.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:09 PM

I don’t think so..He trying everything under the sun to motivate his base..:)

Dire Straits on July 11, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Because if any shred of this craptastic logic was based in fact …

… then Richard Nixon should NEVER have been held to account for HIS crimes.

The actual public opinion numbers must have the elites literally scared shiteless given the depths they have sunk to this week.

PolAgnostic on July 11, 2014 at 5:58 PM

.
Reading back up thread after posting this and it occurs to me to summarize it very briefly:

The Watergate investigation began at the height of Nixon’s popularity (January 1973) and despite its building crescendo of executive lawlessness – even three months before he resigned he was being given the benefit of the doubt by 49% of the people being polled. …. And he resigned 20 months after the investigation began.

So, if your argument is based on public opinion polling, political hand wringing or what you believe is clever political calculation … would you please limit your future comments by just posting,

“BAAAAAA … baaaaa …. Baaaaaahhhh”

PolAgnostic on July 11, 2014 at 6:11 PM

The issue with Obama and his weakness is thr fact he is so narcisstic and egotistical. He thinks he can’t be touched hence his executive power abuses and blatant sue me talk. He is so egotistical he thinks doing nothing is a job. With his kind of personality it can easily be exploited and turned into a fatal weakness but the leadership seems not to get it…pride comes before the fall.

sorrowen on July 11, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Sarah Palin runs for President in 2016 , the Only question is GOP or Independent / Third Party .

Unaffiliated4P on July 11, 2014 at 6:10 PM

She did indeed recently make just such a hint when she said “I hope the Republican Party doesn’t leave me”. she was of course alluding to something Ronald Reagan said back in 1980, where he stated that he didn’t leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left him.

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:13 PM

To all the Palintologists out there, this is Exhibit A as to why she should not be leading our party.

While her arguments may be solid, it’s not enough to be right. You have to have the people on board with impeachment. And we don’t. Not even close.

Her political judgement is for shiite…

JohnGalt23 on July 11, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Paul Ryan said something at one point to the fact that “leaders lead, not wait and follow…” It’s what Palin typically does…unless you want the typical “I won’t agree to something unless it makes everyone like me” politician. Yeah…how much good have THEY done for America.

miConsevative on July 11, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Independent / Third Party .

Unaffiliated4P on July 11, 2014 at 6:10 PM

That is a very bad idea..:(

Dire Straits on July 11, 2014 at 6:13 PM

freaks is perfect in your now nom, and I’m not even a SP adherent.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Wat? Do you even english bro?

beverlyfreaks on July 11, 2014 at 6:02 PM

I do, I fixed the error, but do you?

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Yep. I retain faith in a portion of the electorate and that is why the only solution left – really – is a national divorce and for Americans and America-haters to go their separate ways in separate nations. There is no other solution to this. This nation has already shown that it has no Rule of Law and will not again. That ship – to restore America – has long sailed. All that is available now, to have an American Constitutional Republic exist in the world, is to start a new one. This nation is toast.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 11, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Now you are speaking my language. There’s no “procedural” remedy to our predicament. History however is rife with colorful and creative solutions.

Kataklysmic on July 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:05 PM

I agreed with you on that, Mr. Wilde, initially, until I recalled that we are dealing with the LEFT and we will always have to deal with them in some iteration, no matter how many times they rebrand what they’re pushing, and they will always attack any president who opposes their agenda.

If the next president is not a leftist, and he acts on his own in any regard, he’ll be branded an “imperial president” by the left, which obviously includes the majority of the media, and they, unlike the GOP, will not hesitate to impeach, given any opportunity, and they will begin the necessary steps to get to impeachment at the first opportunity. They won’t try to work with a president they oppose, or wait out his term(s).

The only reason we have to fear even more executive overreach, more imperialism from the oval office, is if a leftist is elected to office.

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Sarah Palin has exposed the GOP establishment as a cowardly and corrupt party that betrays conservatives and only serves their big money donors . Sarah Palin runs for President in 2016 , because there is no other politician willing to stand up and say what needs to be said, now all that is left is for Sarah Palin to do what must be done and Run Sarah Run . Sarah Palin for President 2016 .

Unaffiliated4P on July 11, 2014 at 6:15 PM

Dire Straits on July 11, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Hard to say. He’s a demagogue of the worst kind. So it’s nothing new for him to use such ridiculous rhetoric as he has the last few days.

In any case, he’s not interested in governing. Only in continuing to blame his political opponents for everything.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM

What impeachment does is put his crimes front and center and puts the Senate (Whigs as well as Demos) on the record as condoning it.

The whining, “Well, it won’t worrrk…”, is irrelevant. After all, impeachment was when the public began to weary of the Clinton soap opera.

The only reason not to impeach him and most of his Administration (and at least half of Congress) is that another 2 1/2 years of this should poison the well for the Leftist agenda for a couple of generations (some of the Lefties are starting to worry about that).

Miss Sarah understand, “No guts, no glory”. Too bad some people here don’t.

formwiz on July 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM

The only reason we have to fear even more executive overreach, more imperialism from the oval office, is if a leftist is elected to office.

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Using history as a source of empirical data, then the indisputable conclusion is, we have a great deal to fear.

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:17 PM

W

ho, exactly, has she “led” around to her position? The only thing she has done is successfully unify the GOP… against her position!! And given the opposition media a straw man upon which to chew.

Bravo, Governor. Bravo…

JohnGalt23 on July 11, 2014 at 6:04 PM

#1 Just because Churchill was a “voice in the wilderness” against Hitler for years did not make him wrong, did it?

#2 I said it was lonely ground, she planted the banner 48 hrs ago.

#3 She isn’t talking to the DC people, she is talking to you and I.

#4 Let us have the debate whether Obama deserves impeachment on the merits of his actions, and the Constitution. Leave out all the speculative strategery and focus on what is right for the country.

Does #44 deserve the boot, or not and why?

Brian1972 on July 11, 2014 at 6:18 PM

In any case, he’s not interested in governing. Only in continuing to blame his political opponents for everything.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM

After GOP took the House in 2010..The only thing Obie has been interested in is campaigning and golf..:)

Dire Straits on July 11, 2014 at 6:19 PM

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Excellent, on preparations.

Excellent tune, whatcat.

cat, then he can be impeached even better.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 6:19 PM

World events will soon shake the goon out of his funk.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 6:20 PM

The only reason not to impeach him and most of his Administration (and at least half of Congress) is that another 2 1/2 years of this should poison the well for the Leftist agenda for a couple of generations (some of the Lefties are starting to worry about that).

formwiz on July 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM

I’d say that’s close to being right. If Conservatives handle it well. But it’s risky, because Obama has the lowest degree of respect for the US and her people than any other President in American history.

lineholder on July 11, 2014 at 6:20 PM

#3 She isn’t talking to the DC people, she is talking to you and I.

Brian1972 on July 11, 2014 at 6:18 PM

You and I can’t impeach him. And it’s going to take more than conservatives to do it anyway. This only works with bipartisan support.

Right now most Rs wouldn’t agree with it, never mind any Ds.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Two points AP seems to be missing. First, impeachment is a very long process. Second, somebody has to be the first to call for it. If not the far right[Palin], then who and when? In other words, today its not happening. Not tomorrow either. But imagine more truth comes out about the current scandals. Imagine more scandals come forward. That isn’t hard to do. Its possible that impeachment could gather steam. But not if it wasn’t already in the wind now. Because as I said, it takes a long time to convince the American people, as she said.

I disagree that we should be against Republicans that are not for it today however. But if the President is not following his oath, he should be impeached. And having people in the public square saying so is a good thing. Today, Obama is 1 point away from his lowest Gallop tracking poll numbers. Her saying he should be impeached sure isn’t helping Obama.

KMav on July 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM

cat, then he can be impeached even better.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 6:19 PM

The wheat is being separated from the chaff, those calling for impeachment, wheat, those whimpering it will never work, chaff.

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM

After GOP took the House in 2010..The only thing Obie has been interested in is campaigning and golf..:)

Dire Straits on July 11, 2014 at 6:19 PM

And shooting pool and drinking beer. Don’t think bowling is on the list yet.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:23 PM

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Do you mean among the political class, or are you directing that criticism at your fellow commenters?

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:24 PM

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:23 PM

And taking vacations

lineholder on July 11, 2014 at 6:24 PM

World events will soon shake the goon out of his funk.

Schadenfreude on July 11, 2014 at 6:20 PM

I sincerely doubt that..He (Obie)doesn’t have a clue when it comes to Foriegn policy..:)

Dire Straits on July 11, 2014 at 6:25 PM

While her arguments may be solid, it’s not enough to be right. You have to have the people on board with impeachment. And we don’t. Not even close.
JohnGalt23 on July 11, 2014 at 5:35 PM

OTOH if no one brings up the question on the first place, nobody else would even be able to “get on board” at all.
“Marty”

whatcat on July 11, 2014 at 6:26 PM

Dire Straits on July 11, 2014 at 6:19 PM

And shooting pool and drinking beer. Don’t think bowling is on the list yet.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Bah… He only drinks beer for photo op’s, when there isn’t a camera on him, he’s sucking down some Tutti Frutti foo foo parasol sissy drink.

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:26 PM

This is never going to happen, but we should threaten it ever so often….
The lawsuit imo is more dangerous…

d1carter on July 11, 2014 at 6:26 PM

My circle of friends think impeachment AND CONVICTION is too little punishment for Obama and his allies. They and I want him charged with a crime and in jail. 38 people faced charges and/or prison for their involvement in the Watergate cover up; a minor “crime” when compared just to the IRS scandal under Obama; nobody has been charged with a crime in any of the many scandals excluding the few contempts of congress charges. AG Holder is one who has a contempt of congress charge on Fast and Furious. And F&F was only the AZ operation; there were at least 9 more gun running operations that have had little media exposure.

amr on July 11, 2014 at 6:28 PM

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:26 PM

ROFL.

lineholder on July 11, 2014 at 6:29 PM

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Do you mean among the political class, or are you directing that criticism at your fellow commenters?

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Let me answer you in this manner…

15 ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 16 ‘So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:29 PM

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of Allahpundit’s take on this; no Commentary or Wall Street Journal condescension here. Palin has lost virtually everything politically, so she has virtually nothing to lose. Gosh, she might not even be invited to the 2016 GOP convention. She has said that you don’t have to hold a title to make a difference. It’s personal with her. She sees the man who tried to bankrupt her and humiliate her. Who am I to say you can’t say that, you can’t do that?

cbenoistd on July 11, 2014 at 6:29 PM

whatcat on July 11, 2014 at 6:26 PM

Isn’t that the whole point though? Since Palin first brought this up a few days ago, there hasn’t been a single R who publically agreed with her. However, plenty have disagreed.

Doesn’t matter how much we may personally agree with Palin. It’s not going to happen, at least in the short term.

And on another note, Marty is one of my favorite movies. I’ve probably seen it at least 10 times.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:29 PM

IMPEACH!!

High crimes and misdemeanors — what is wrong with all of you? Don’t discuss it — just vote to impeach the bastard. Even if it doesn’t come off, it at least is attempted.

He should not be allowed to go scot-free after bringing our economy down, bringing a horde of illegal immigrants over the border, not to mention all the scandals of IRS, and Holder, and the border, and his disastrous foreign so-called policy. All the other things — too numerous to mention.

Just bring an impeachement, whether it wins or loses, at least it states how we the people feel — totally screwed and bamboozled, by a “clean, well-spoken” whatever.

America, we have been screwed, blued, and tattoed.

Mariadee on July 11, 2014 at 6:30 PM

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:29 PM

When you feel like apologizing, and learning the meaning of tolerance, let me know.

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Palin, the Attention Whore, needs to go away.
She strung everyone along for nearly four years, letting them think she’d run for President, mainly to sell books and collect PAC donations.

At this point, I’m seriously tired of her and her folksy home-spun act. Every once in awhile, she pokes her head out of her hidey-hole and says something provocative to attract attention. She’s kind of like Ann Coulter, except she’s not as funny or intelligent.

If people were really so outraged about Obama as to support impeachment, we’d know it already – and so would Boehner and everyone else on Capitol Hill. They’d be getting letters and phone calls out the wazoo.

This is a political loser. Unlike the defund movement, it really has no chance of success…and it would probably save Reid’s majority in the Senate (not that it matters much).

On top of that, even if it were successful, we’d be stuck with Biden, the town idiot. And he’d be an incumbent with an aggrieved base demanding revenge for their wronged hero, Barack Obama.

No, thanks. Obama is a corrupt, incompetent, America-hating, narcissistic douchebag. I don’t want to turn him into a martyr.

DRayRaven on July 11, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Conservatives, having tried to reverse the 1996 election with a BS impeachment, having won the 2000 election by overriding majority vote with a stacked court and a bogus ruling

urban effetist on July 11, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Wow, so many lies in one post, and so much Leftist Manure. Hold on, I’ll go get my manure spreader and be right back!

OK, I’m back.

1. Let’s start with Clinton. Are you seriously claiming that he was Above the Law for perjury before a Federal Grand Jury? That is a felony offense according to US Criminal Code.

And before you amuse us with your answer, let me remind you that Clinton’s own Justice Department successfully prosecuted a female Federal employee for lying under oath before a Federal Grand Jury. She was successfully prosecuted for lying under oath about sex.

F- #1

2. OK, on to Al Gore.

First of all, until you change the law, the majority vote does not determine the outcome of a Presidential election. The Electoral College does.

F- #2

Second, Gore won the majority vote nationally by one half of one percent. Had Florida’s automatic recount law applied at the national level, such a recount would have been required.

F- #3

Third, Gore would never have needed to win the “majority vote” in Florida in 2000 if he hadn’t been rejected by the voters of his own home state. Had they voted for him, he would have been legitimately elected.

Oh, and it certainly didn’t help his cause that he was rejected by his boss’ home state of Arkansaw, as well as being rejected by the traditionally Democrat voters of West Virginia.

F-#4

Fourth, let’s shoot down your false claims about the legal shenanigans, which as you know full well were triggered by your boy Gore taking back his concession after conceding that election to Bush.

To begin with, as the legal process unfolded, your boy Gore lost the vast majority of the decisions handed down by Judges in Florida. In nearly all cases, those Judges were Democrats. One of them was Federal Judge Terry Lewis; he was appointed by the infamous Lawton Chiles.

F- #5

Next up the food chain, the (all-Democrat) Florida Supreme Court, without being asked by either of the candidates, injected themselves into the legal proceedings. But all of their decisions were later rejected by SCOTUS.

Funny thing about that Judicial Activism from a Stacked Democrat Supreme Court, too. In Florida, those Justices are elected. After they tried stealing the election for Gore, they were all easily re-elected.

F- #6

Now, on to the SCOTUS rulings. They actually made 3 rulings in that case; the rulings went against Gore by the following margins:

9-0

7-2

5-4

The first 9-0 ruling by SCOTUS commanded the Florida Supreme Court to rewrite their bogus ruling (it was that bad.) When it came back, they made the next rulings.

The middle ruling, the 7-2 one, was in fact the SCOTUS ruling that effectively made Bush President. The later 5-4 ruling only concerned the remedy. But in the brain-addled world of BDSers like yourself, those 9-0 and 7-2 SCOTUS rulings against Gore never even happened.

So in reality, the only “stacked court” in the whole process was the all-Democrat Florida Supreme Court.

F- #8

By the way, your Democrat Media then immediately rushed to Florida to recount the votes themselves. They found only one way Gore could have “won” the recount, and that was by applying a ridiculously narrow counting standard, one that never would have been approved by Florida courts. Even worse, it was a vote counting standard that even Gore himself had never asked for.

Get some help. You are seriously, and I mean seriously, detached from reality!

F- #9

Del Dolemonte on July 11, 2014 at 6:35 PM

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:31 PM

You took his comment to be directed at you personally?

I took it to be directed at people in general who are so complacent that they will not fight or against things.

lineholder on July 11, 2014 at 6:35 PM

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:29 PM

When you feel like apologizing, and learning the meaning of tolerance, let me know.

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Then I say this with great pain in my heart and sadness… Goodbye Jackie.

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:35 PM

I took it to be directed at people in general who are so complacent that they will not fight or against things.

lineholder on July 11, 2014 at 6:35 PM

s/b “fight for or against”

lineholder on July 11, 2014 at 6:36 PM

When does the unthinkable become thinkable?

What Palin is attempting to do is move the Overton window and she has succeeded – people are talking about impeachment.

The Nixon resignation came less than two years after he won a landslide reelection victory. When the Watergate investigation first started the idea of impeaching Nixon was unthinkable. Then it became thinkable. Finally it looked inevitable, so Nixon resigned.

myiq2xu on July 11, 2014 at 6:36 PM

If people were really so outraged about Obama as to support impeachment, we’d know it already – and so would Boehner and everyone else on Capitol Hill. They’d be getting letters and phone calls out the wazoo.

This is a political loser. Unlike the defund movement, it really has no chance of success…and it would probably save Reid’s majority in the Senate (not that it matters much).

DRayRaven on July 11, 2014 at 6:31 PM

I agree with you 100%. And it’s ridiculous to suggest those who do not agree with impeachment are wimps or whatever.

It’s got zero chance of succeeding. Even most Rs will not support it.

And good point about Biden.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Obama is a corrupt, incompetent, America-hating, narcissistic douchebag. I don’t want to turn him into a martyr.

DRayRaven on July 11, 2014 at 6:31 PM

So you let the corrupt, incompetent, America-hating, narcissistic douchebag do anything he wants and refuse to fight because you don’t want to martyr him?

Great plan!!

sharrukin on July 11, 2014 at 6:37 PM

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Goodbye, wilde.

thatsafactjack on July 11, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Obviously all you TruCons think Palin is a “leader,” but it’s easy to shoot your mouth off when you don’t hold public office and have no desire/hope of running for office in the future.

She’s an agitator, which she does well. But that’s the extent of her talents and worth in the political arena. She’s not credible; she’s not taken seriously. Those who are couldn’t run away fast enough from her delusions about impeachment. It’s too bad the conservative base doesn’t accept the truth about Palin, and keeps singing her praises.

It doesn’t help your cause, and leads people who might be convinced to come to your side to dismiss you as crackpots. In a BIG way.

Meredith on July 11, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Fourth, let’s shoot down your false claims about the legal shenanigans, which as you know full well were triggered by your boy Gore taking back his concession after conceding that election to Bush.

To begin with, as the legal process unfolded, your boy Gore lost the vast majority of the decisions handed down by Judges in Florida. In nearly all cases, those Judges were Democrats. One of them was Florida Judge Terry Lewis; he was appointed by the infamous Lawton Chiles.

F- #5

Del Dolemonte on July 11, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Fixed.

Del Dolemonte on July 11, 2014 at 6:41 PM

whatcat on July 11, 2014 at 6:26 PM

Isn’t that the whole point though? Since Palin first brought this up a few days ago, there hasn’t been a single R who publically agreed with her. However, plenty have disagreed.

Doesn’t matter how much we may personally agree with Palin. It’s not going to happen, at least in the short term.

And on another note, Marty is one of my favorite movies. I’ve probably seen it at least 10 times.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:29 PM

I don’t know that it’s gonna go anywhere either, but my point was more that somebody of national prominence should run it up the flagpole and see if anybody salutes it. That is, somebody’s gotta be the first to “speak the unspeakable”.
And even if nothing comes of it, just getting the term circulating among the general populace is helpful. It’s a mental bell that can’t be unrung.

Oh, yeah, “Marty” is a classic for good reason. They don’t make ‘em like they used to, to coin a phrase.

whatcat on July 11, 2014 at 6:41 PM

It doesn’t help your cause, and leads people who might be convinced to come to your side to dismiss you as crackpots. In a BIG way.

Meredith on July 11, 2014 at 6:40 PM

But it does help the cause of protecting and preserving our Constitution and form of government. And unless I’m reading this totally wrong, that’s Palin’s goal.

It raises awareness to the abuses of executive authority. Even if people think her a crackpot, the idea of abuse is out there. And it isn’t coming just from Palin. Liberals have begun to associate his failures with this abuse of executive authority.

lineholder on July 11, 2014 at 6:44 PM

whatcat on July 11, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Turner Classic Movies is one of my favorite channels, along with ME TV.

As to the impeachment talk, things could change in the future. Who could have dreamed six months ago that we would be witnessing a border invasion?

But I don’t see the will for it right now.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Obviously all you TruCons think Palin is a “leader,” but it’s easy to shoot your mouth off when you don’t hold public office and have no desire/hope of running for office in the future.
Meredith on July 11, 2014 at 6:40 PM

I’m not carrying water for Palin, but I recall when the same was said about some washed-up California actor back in the 70s.

whatcat on July 11, 2014 at 6:45 PM

God bless you, Sarah.

MT on July 11, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Someone’s gotta do it.

MT on July 11, 2014 at 6:48 PM

You took his comment to be directed at you personally?

I took it to be directed at people in general who are so complacent that they will not fight or against things.

lineholder on July 11, 2014 at 6:35 PM

As did I. However, if that sneaker is comfy, walk away.
There are a lot of snivelers here who should hang their heads in shame.

katy the mean old lady on July 11, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Somebody had to say it, and as usual, it falls on Palin to make the case.LEADERS GO THERE!

SMACKRUNNER on July 11, 2014 at 6:49 PM

To those that say no, we shouldn’t, I kinda see it like this.

Sure,, you may not fight now. But you surely will later.

You won’t have a choice.

wolly4321 on July 11, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Obama will hang himself just merely give him the rope…exec action on immagration would be a good rope.

sorrowen on July 11, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Unfortunately he will have hanged us with the same rope.

Midas on July 11, 2014 at 6:49 PM

To all the Palintologists out there, this is Exhibit A as to why she should not be leading our party.

While her arguments may be solid, it’s not enough to be right. You have to have the people on board with impeachment. And we don’t. Not even close.

Her political judgement is for shiite…

JohnGalt23 on July 11, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Um…no. She is leading the PARTY where IT should go. It is up to the GOP to then make the case for impeachment and take this case to the American people. The fact that it takes someone outside the elected Party leadership to voice what is right speaks volumes about the cowardice and corruption that so infests the ol’ GOP.

fossten on July 11, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Jonathan Turley seems pretty upset, and … that’s about it.

Jonathan Turley is pretty upset because he is butt hurt after not getting Supreme Court appointment.

You watch any of his media interviews before Elena Kagan got confirmed to Supreme Court, he was #1 fan of Obama. He thought he could get a lifetime SC appointment by praising Obama.

Turley had his huge ego crushed when did not even make it to Obama’s shortlist.

So take all of Turley’s criticism of Obama now with a bucket of salt.

Ned Pepper on July 11, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Obviously all you TruCons think Palin is a “leader,” but it’s easy to shoot your mouth off when you don’t hold public office and have no desire/hope of running for office in the future.

She’s an agitator, which she does well. But that’s the extent of her talents and worth in the political arena. She’s not credible; she’s not taken seriously. Those who are couldn’t run away fast enough from her delusions about impeachment. It’s too bad the conservative base doesn’t accept the truth about Palin, and keeps singing her praises.

It doesn’t help your cause, and leads people who might be convinced to come to your side to dismiss you as crackpots. In a BIG way.

Meredith on July 11, 2014 at 6:40 PM

I’m sure you vote consistently for status quo Republicans that refuse to stop the runaway train. You really have no room to talk. You’re part of the problem.

darwin on July 11, 2014 at 6:51 PM

We need to know what battles we can win. This isn’t one of them. It may be in the future, depending on how things play out. But it’s clearly not a winning battle right now, and if anything will backfire.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Right. And all of our ‘electable’ candidates (McCain, Romney and Dole) have won their elections. Why not do what is right and see where the cards lie? Something tells me that it would be better than what we’ve had. It’s called convictions and principles.

miConsevative on July 11, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Here we go again. Don’t try because we can’t win. Did you read what she said? Granted she can do this because she isn’t an elected official. She’s doing the dirty work of the cowardly Repubs and some of the Dems who are REALLY reluctant to do anything out of fear.

DO IT ANYWAY. At least it will send a message.

crankyoldlady on July 11, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Everyone says it’s futile to impeach. It never worked for Clinton. And he’s gone on to make his hundreds of millions and to rewrite his history (for his wife’s sake). And Clinton’s offenses were very different from Obama’s, but still there is a certain “Oh, those Republicans impeach everybody” feeling to it (or I fear there is).

But I favor impeachment, even if it means that the Republicans’ nose is broken, and there is all downside with no political upside. How bad are we supposed to allow our leaders to be, and for what reasons are we to do it, when in the process we turn a blind eye to unconstitutional, illegal and ultimately dictatorial administration of the law before we start shouting out about the crimes rather than playing a losing political game? And we will almost certainly lose if we don’t. (Romney? Please.)

So what’s the harm in shouting fire even if the audience is enjoying the movie and willing to risk the roast?

flicker on July 11, 2014 at 6:54 PM

I asked thuja where it got the cool alarm that goes off only for abortion threads.
Yours seems to be set for Palin threads. Where did you get such a nify item?

katy the mean old lady on July 11, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Meredith on July 11, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Was Meghan McCain your mentor?

idesign on July 11, 2014 at 6:55 PM

crankyoldlady on July 11, 2014 at 6:52 PM

COL, we do have Liberals/Dems talking about executive branch overreach. That’s an opening right there.

At least the seed has been sown on our side. We’ll have to see what kind of fruit it yields.

lineholder on July 11, 2014 at 6:55 PM

The wheat is being separated from the chaff, those calling for impeachment, wheat, those whimpering it will never work, chaff.

oscarwilde on July 11, 2014 at 6:21 PM

There are good arguments that it will fail. I think there might be a difference between the people equivocating the thing, having no desire or interest in doing anything about it, and people believing the battle is doomed to fail.

The guy whining about how we can’t win and refusing to leave his house isn’t the same guy who goes to the gate with us and says, “we’re gonna die, you know.”

And splitting that hair might be useful. At this point.

Axe on July 11, 2014 at 6:55 PM

s/b for Meredith on July 11, 2014 at 6:40 PM

katy the mean old lady on July 11, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Who, exactly, has she “led” around to her position? The only thing she has done is successfully unify the GOP… against her position!! And given the opposition media a straw man upon which to chew.

Bravo, Governor. Bravo…

JohnGalt23 on July 11, 2014 at 6:04 PM

She’s gotten people like Nicki Haley and Ted Cruz elected (Cruz himself admits he couldn’t have won without her endorsement)…but I guess that’s inconsequential.

miConsevative on July 11, 2014 at 6:56 PM

What does your heart say? Does dogeater deserve impeachment?

Do you believe he is using alinsky tactics to bring about cloward and piven?

Ten years from now, do you think you will look back with regret at being timid?

The groundwork he is laying WILL carry forward. And the next two years are crucial.

Even if it is useless,, it might distract him enough to mitigate some damage.

wolly4321 on July 11, 2014 at 6:56 PM

That 40%+ Obama approval rating is bogus.

I deal with customers all across the country and 90% of them,
black, white, Hispanic, middle eastern, Indian, gay, heterosexual, etc. are all talking about what a disaster his presidency is.

When anyone discusses business improvement or lack of, the response is mostly always “if we survive Obama”. The other
comment I hear often is “I don’t know if the country can survive
another two years of Obama”.

Its about jobs and money to raise their families. In addition to
all the other crapola his thug regime has pulled.

Amjean on July 11, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Turner Classic Movies is one of my favorite channels, along with ME TV.

As to the impeachment talk, things could change in the future. Who could have dreamed six months ago that we would be witnessing a border invasion?

But I don’t see the will for it right now.

cat_owner on July 11, 2014 at 6:44 PM

I think just getting the rumblings and grumblings going on is helpful, if nothing else. So the average schmucks can chew back and forth on it as they ponder the Obama disaster. It’s not politically doable to remove him office right now, anyway. I don’t see Harry Reid getting too excited about trying Obama in the Senate.

Don’t have anything but over-the-air broadcast TV (which carries Me TV) though I rarely watch the telly – certainly not broadcast news. What classic movies I don’t already own I can catch online.

whatcat on July 11, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Obviously all you TruCons think Palin is a “leader,” but it’s easy to shoot your mouth off when you don’t hold public office and have no desire/hope of running for office in the future.
Meredith on July 11, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Meredith makes a very good point. The fact is, it is harder to do the right thing when you potentially have something to lose as a result.

And, Meredith, you have inadvertently swerved into MY point – which is that the GOPers in office include nobody with the guts to do the right thing.

fossten on July 11, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Forget whether it will succeed or fail.

Just answer,,

Is it the right fugging thing to do?

I think it is.

wolly4321 on July 11, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Meredith makes a very good point. The fact is, it is harder to do the right thing when you potentially have something to lose as a result.

And, Meredith, you have inadvertently swerved into MY point – which is that the GOPers in office include nobody with the guts to do the right thing.

fossten on July 11, 2014 at 6:58 PM

So I guess voting your convictions rather than what is politically expedient does work better than the other way around. Go figure…

miConsevative on July 11, 2014 at 7:01 PM

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