Kurds seize two oil fields, pull out of Iraqi government

posted at 10:41 am on July 11, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

If Nouri al-Maliki wanted to dissolve the Iraqi union purposefully, he could hardly be doing a better job. While Kurds fight ISIS in the north — and more effectively than Maliki’s politically purged army has — Maliki accused them of being in league with the extremists even as Kurds mull over whether to just go on their own. Now they want Maliki out, or they’ll be leaving for good:

Iraq’s Kurds said Thursday Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki was “hysterical” and not fit to run the country, further dimming the prospect of a new leadership uniting to face jihadist fighters.

The worsening political discord comes three days ahead of a planned parliamentary session meant to revive the process of replacing what has effectively been a caretaker government since April elections.

Maliki “has become hysterical and has lost his balance”, a statement from the office of Kurdish regional president Massud Barzani said, reacting to accusations by the prime minister a day earlier that his administration was harbouring militants.

The Kurdish delegation in Iraq’s parliament has walked out, as have Kurdish ministers in Maliki’s government. That prompted Maliki to retaliate, albeit impotently:

A dispute between Iraq’s Shiite-led central government and the semi-autonomous Kurdish region is boiling over, as Kurdish ministers withdrew from all cabinet meetings. In response, Baghdad is reportedly halting some cargo flights between Kurdish cities.

The spat is playing out under the threat of the extremist Sunni group the Islamist State, which has taken over cities and territories in northern and western Iraq. …

The Kurdish part of Iraq is becoming ever more remote from the government in Baghdad. On Wednesday, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki accused Kurds of sheltering terrorists and Saddam Hussein loyalists. In response, a Kurdish politician, Roz Nouri Shawesm, called Maliki hysterical and said he must step down.

“Kurdish ministers will no longer attend cabinet meetings. Kurdish fighters have taken advantage of the chaos engulfing Iraq to seize territory to which they have long laid claim, including the oil-rich city of Kirkuk.

For one, Kurds have their own independent lines of communication when it comes to air travel and cargo. They’ve been handling that themselves since the 1991 war, which gave them long-awaited autonomy from Saddam Hussein after decades of genocide and oppression. They can get their own supplies, and with their suddenly improved relations with Turkey, may have more robust options than Baghdad does on trade.

Plus, the Kurds have their own oil revenue — and they’ve added a couple of new fields to that stock today:

Iraqi Kurds have taken over two oil fields amid a growing dispute with the government in Baghdad, Iraqi and Kurdish sources say.

Kurdish peshmerga forces seized control of production facilities at the Bai Hassan and Kirkuk oil fields in the north of the country on Friday.

Maliki’s government demanded that the Peshmerga return the fields to Iraqi control, but the Kurds say Baghdad was about to “sabotage” the facilities:

In a statement on Friday, the Iraqi oil ministry condemned the seizure of oil refineries, adding that they expected Kurdish fighters to “support security forces in confronting terrorist groups rather than using the conditions to raid and occupy oil fields”.

Reuters news agency said a senior source within the Kurdistan Regional Government had confirmed the takeover.

The unnamed source said they had been “forced to act to protect Iraq’s infrastructure after learning of attempts by Iraq oil ministry officials to sabotage it”.

Global Post‘s Jean MacKenzie, writing at The Week, advises that the world should just let Iraq partition itself:

While the Iraqi army is much larger and better-equipped than ISIS and its affiliates, it has had limited success in dislodging the insurgents from other areas it has seized. Fallujah and Ramadi have been under ISIS control since January.

Steven Simon, a senior fellow at The Middle East Institute in Washington, DC, agrees that it may be too much to hope that ISIS can be defeated.

“ISIS is deeply rooted in western Iraq,” he said. “They also have safe havens on the other side of the rather blurred border [with Syria].”

The Kurds in the north, who have seized territory and become all but independent over the past two weeks, will not give up their gains, Mendelsohn insisted, and putting the country back together may be nearly impossible.

“We are looking at de facto partition,” said Mendelsohn.

Maliki had a chance to keep this from happening after the 2007 surge, and the US its chance to stick around and apply pressure to push Maliki in that direction. Those chances are gone now, and not even a US intervention in force is likely to revive them. Maliki’s actions in this crisis show that he has no interest in unity under a federalist, shared-power system, and as long as Maliki’s in charge the Kurds and the Sunnis will have no incentive to stick around. Get ready for the sectarian bloodbath to come, and the best the West will probably be able to do is to contain it to Iraq and Syria while promoting democracy in the new, independent Kurdistan.


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Maliki

Obama sure can pick those winning horses.

Bitter Clinger on July 11, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Go Kurds!

31giddyup on July 11, 2014 at 10:46 AM

What are we doing in that quagmire of Muslim ambitions, fanatism, and greed?

Rix on July 11, 2014 at 10:47 AM

A logistical question with these seizures of oil refineries. How do they go about receiving money for the supply of oil now under their “control”? Just start sending out change of address statements to their “customers”?

can_con on July 11, 2014 at 10:48 AM

I can’t believe I’m allowing myself to write this, but Slow Joe was absolutely right. The old borders of Iraq are as arbitrary as they are idiotic. We should have pressed for partitioning the country after we deposed Saddam. All we did was replace the oppression of Shi’ites by Sunnis into the oppression of Sunnis by Shi’ites.

KingGold on July 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Kurds seize two oil fields, pull out of Iraqi government

…the Obama Oil Company?

JugEarsButtHurt on July 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM

I wonder what the map of the Middle East will look like in 5 years?

Sven on July 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM

We need to throw a bunch of resources at the Kurds, and maybe we can get a pincher action going with Isreal.

Of course, Øbama will ask for “restraint”.

DimsdalePiranha on July 11, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Israel. typo….

DimsdalePiranha on July 11, 2014 at 10:52 AM

The Kurds have acted way to sane since 1991…. Let them go. Give them aid, trade, and let something good come out of the mess. Sunni and Shite can have their “My religion is better then your religion proxy war for Iran and the Saudi’s.

Innercat on July 11, 2014 at 10:52 AM

I wonder what the map of the Middle East will look like in 5 years?

Sven on July 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM

If they all get their “fair share” of nukes by then, either they’ll eliminate each other or us. Depends on their mood.

31giddyup on July 11, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Obama’s really gonna be pissed when he reads about this Sunday morning before tee time…

bimmcorp on July 11, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Looks like they will get their own seperate state anyway.

sorrowen on July 11, 2014 at 10:57 AM

An independent Kurdistan is going to be the only positive result of the Iraq adventure.

ConstantineXI on July 11, 2014 at 11:03 AM

After generations of being pushed around by the Turks, the Kurds are ready to play some hardball.

I can’t believe I’m allowing myself to write this, but Slow Joe was absolutely right. The old borders of Iraq are as arbitrary as they are idiotic. We should have pressed for partitioning the country after we deposed Saddam. All we did was replace the oppression of Shi’ites by Sunnis into the oppression of Sunnis by Shi’ites.

KingGold on July 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM

No, Joe wasn’t any more right than ever.

This is only happening because Little Lord Fauntleroy thought he could implement his idea of foreign policy in Iraq and all would be unicorns and rainbows.

We had Iran bracketed under Dubya.

Now the whole region from the Khyber Pass to Gibraltar is in chaos

formwiz on July 11, 2014 at 11:04 AM

I wonder what the map of the Middle East will look like in 5 years?

Sven on July 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM

A big ole parking lot, I hope.

Midas on July 11, 2014 at 11:05 AM

What are we doing in that quagmire of Muslim ambitions, fanatism, and greed?

Rix on July 11, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Well, seems like this admin just can’t get enough of it here.

31giddyup on July 11, 2014 at 11:10 AM

I wonder what the map of the Middle East will look like in 5 years?

Sven on July 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Muzzies don’t know what a map freaking is. I’m going to go out on a limb here and predict that in five years, in that region ….. Muzzies will still be killing each other and everyone else! Anyone want to put money on it? It will be the easiest bet I ever made.

And I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: screw the Kurds. They’re as bad as the rest of them.

WhatSlushfund on July 11, 2014 at 11:11 AM

A logistical question with these seizures of oil refineries. How do they go about receiving money for the supply of oil now under their “control”? Just start sending out change of address statements to their “customers”?

can_con on July 11, 2014 at 10:48 AM

I believe they ship it through Turkey via truck

Lord Whorfin on July 11, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Get ready for the sectarian bloodbath to come, and the best the West will probably be able to do is to contain it to Iraq and Syria while promoting democracy in the new, independent Kurdistan.

Fine.

Whereas, The Kurds have already proven their friendship and loyalty to the West generally and USA in particular, and whereas
An independent, non-haji whacko Kurdistan friendly to, and militarily/socially/economically tied up along side the Free World is good for “Us” and bad for “Them,”
and whereas a free politically stable, religiously tolerant Mideastern nation not named “Israel” is really all anyone ever asked for or needed, be it therefore resolved that President Obama should STOP SLOUCHING ON THE PRESIDENTIAL PODIUM DURING SPEECHES, finish his pint of Hipsterbrau, get out of the pool hall, off the golf course and fundraising circuit and into the Situation Room to do whatever it takes to help the Kurds achieve their own country and we’ll be the first nation to recognize them, with handshakes, fazoles and M-1 tanks.

Sacramento on July 11, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Maliki

Obama sure can pick those winning horses.

Bitter Clinger on July 11, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Malaki is bush’s baby. Don’t try to reinvent history.

coolrepublica on July 11, 2014 at 11:18 AM

I’m considering laying down my life for Iraqi inclusivity! Who is with me?

BL@KBIRD on July 11, 2014 at 11:21 AM

as long as Maliki’s in charge the Kurds and the Sunnis will have no incentive to stick around.

-Ed

I missed this gem of Ed-reasoning. The Kurds are Sunnis. Why make a false distinction?

Get ready for the sectarian bloodbath to come, and the best the West will probably be able to do is to contain it to Iraq and Syria while promoting democracy in the new, independent Kurdistan.

-Ed

Ed, why do you take it as your point of departure that the US somehow has a responsibility to keep Muslims from killing each other? This is a serious question. I don’t mean it disrespectufully.

WhatSlushfund on July 11, 2014 at 11:24 AM

“…accused them of being in league with the extremists …”
“…“hysterical” and not fit to run the country…”
“…has become hysterical and has lost his balance…”

So, Maliki is the Iraqui ‘Obama’?

mrt721 on July 11, 2014 at 11:25 AM

A leader more incompetent than Obama? Who knew?

Boxtnt on July 11, 2014 at 11:25 AM

A logistical question with these seizures of oil refineries. How do they go about receiving money for the supply of oil now under their “control”? Just start sending out change of address statements to their “customers”?

can_con on July 11, 2014 at 10:48 AM

I believe they ship it through Turkey via truck

Lord Whorfin on July 11, 2014 at 11:12 AM

They also have a PipeLine to Turkey.

I thought I read that they blew up the pipeline that goes to Baghdad

Patricksp on July 11, 2014 at 11:37 AM

I can’t believe I’m allowing myself to write this, but Slow Joe was absolutely right. The old borders of Iraq are as arbitrary as they are idiotic. We should have pressed for partitioning the country after we deposed Saddam. All we did was replace the oppression of Shi’ites by Sunnis into the oppression of Sunnis by Shi’ites.

KingGold on July 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Slow Joe had a different agenda and I don’t think he was necessarily right. He was calling for partition because he is a coward who didn’t want to support GWB’s ideas about attaining regional stability. Which is why partition isn’t a good idea. The tribal and religious differences are re-asserting themselves- not because Biden was right but because Obama abandoned the sane course of action because he is lazy and stupid.

Happy Nomad on July 11, 2014 at 11:37 AM

The Middle East may not do things the way we do or the way we would like but whatever it is they do it works for them. I think we should leave them alone to do it. If it weren’t for oil we wouldn’t care what they do. If we could have enough of our own oil we wouldn’t have to care.

crankyoldlady on July 11, 2014 at 11:41 AM

sounds like Biden foreign policy at work here.

thanks Obama. Freaking idiot in chief.

unseen on July 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM

I have also read that Maliki is accusing the Kurds that they made a deal with ISIS, because ISIS is not attacking the Kurdish region. I can’t see ISIS making any deals with the Kurds, but in that region you never know.

Patricksp on July 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM

A total of 4,486 U.S. service members were killed in Iraq between 2003 and 2012

Thanks Obama for making their ultimate sacrifice meaningless.

unseen on July 11, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Partition, whether de facto or de jure, is not an ideal outcome. It will provide IS a deep territory from which to launch attacks on Syria and Jordan and perhaps on the West. It will draw Iran all the way to the Kuwaiti and Saudi borders. The Saudis have already moved 20,000 troops to the border. The Iranians will use the rump Shi’a state to launch subversive attacks among the Shi’a majority in Kuwait and the Shi’a minority in the Northeast Saudi Arabia. For want of nail, …

Esaus Message on July 11, 2014 at 11:56 AM

I believe they ship it through Turkey via truck

Lord Whorfin on July 11, 2014 at 11:12 AM

They also have a PipeLine to Turkey.

I thought I read that they blew up the pipeline that goes to Baghdad

Patricksp on July 11, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Thanks for the info, but that is not what I was getting at. Transport is easy, but normally there would be existing contractual obligations in place. When someone seizes the product through a hostile takeover, does the buyer just go “oh well, guess we start start paying these guys”?

can_con on July 11, 2014 at 11:56 AM

If there’s a good guy to be found in all the mess there it’s definitely the Kurds. Maliki is a man who has risen above his talents – he and Jug Ears have that in common – so if the Kurds are fed up with his dithering and want to make a go of it on their own then more power to them. I hope they can pull it off.

alchemist19 on July 11, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Which is why partition isn’t a good idea. The tribal and religious differences are re-asserting themselves- not because Biden was right but because Obama abandoned the sane course of action because he is lazy and stupid.

Happy Nomad on July 11, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Iraq was formed by the powers that be after WW1. there was no nor reason for the borders. It was formed by force, held together by force and caused 100 years of war, death and destruction between the tribes that were forced into the borders imposed by the British. the only way to keep Iraq non-partition is the use of force. Unless we want to be the enforcers of those borders for the next 100 years then the best thing to do is let The “Iraq” dream die and allow those incountry who want to live ithin their own tribe decide what’s best for Iraq. Bush was stupid to go in there without an exit strategy, he was stupid to think a nation founded by force, held together by force would remain when the force was removed. Obama was even more stupid by pulling the troops out without any thought to keeping the domestic peace.

Bush and Obama were idiots when it came to Iraq. The best thing to do for Iraq would have been to seize and hold the oil fields and let the rest of the country kill each other.

unseen on July 11, 2014 at 11:56 AM

The Iranians will use the rump Shi’a state to launch subversive attacks among the Shi’a majority in Kuwait and the Shi’a minority in the Northeast Saudi Arabia. For want of nail, …

Esaus Message on July 11, 2014 at 11:56 AM

you make no sense. You state the problwem is the ISIS and IRAn yet you want to handle the problem by keeping Iraq together. That doesn’t address either problem just puts up a roadblock. If Iran and the ISIS is the problem then deal with those guys.

unseen on July 11, 2014 at 12:01 PM

unseen on July 11, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Iraq would hardly be the first nation to be arbitrarily made up after World War I that didn’t work out so well either. It’s a matter of trying to make it more of a Czechoslovakia and less of a Yugoslavia.

alchemist19 on July 11, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Malaki is bush’s baby. Don’t try to reinvent history.

coolrepublica on July 11, 2014 at 11:18 AM

And Obama has made sure to keep him propped up when the evidence suggested he was bad for business.

Bitter Clinger on July 11, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Ed, why do you take it as your point of departure that the US somehow has a responsibility to keep Muslims from killing each other? This is a serious question. I don’t mean it disrespectufully.

WhatSlushfund on July 11, 2014 at 11:24 AM

We want to encourge the Muslims to be peaceful, because we will have less terrorism in the West and because other peaceful, ecnomically prosperous are better for our own wealth.

thuja on July 11, 2014 at 12:10 PM

thuja on July 11, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Lolerz. Ed, is that you?

thuja, I’m guessing you enjoy fantasy movies.

WhatSlushfund on July 11, 2014 at 12:20 PM

We should be backing and arming the Kurds.

MarkT on July 11, 2014 at 12:21 PM

the West will probably be able to do is to contain it to Iraq and Syria while promoting democracy in the new, independent Kurdistan.

And so that’s the last thing we will do. A friendly democracy in the Middle East? Obama/Kerry will oppose that.

Rancher on July 11, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Iraq would hardly be the first nation to be arbitrarily made up after World War I that didn’t work out so well either. It’s a matter of trying to make it more of a Czechoslovakia and less of a Yugoslavia.

alchemist19 on July 11, 2014 at 12:01 PM

both of those countries have split up. Czech and Slovakia did it peacefully. Yugoslavia wasn’t so peaceful has the powers that be tried to keep it together regardless of what the people who lived in the country wanted.

unseen on July 11, 2014 at 12:28 PM

We should be backing and arming the Kurds.

MarkT on July 11, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Might be a whorthwhile goal. Obama of course wants to arm the ISIS. Whom he calls freedom fighters in Sryia. Amazing how stupid all of our “leaders” are isn’t it.

unseen on July 11, 2014 at 12:30 PM

We want to encourge the Muslims to be peaceful, because we will have less terrorism in the West and because other peaceful, ecnomically prosperous are better for our own wealth.

thuja on July 11, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Only problem with that is the Muslim relgion forbids peace with non-muslim nations except as a means to andvance their relgion and use it has a pause from the holy wa!. Then you got the whole sunni/shite thing going on.

unseen on July 11, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Good for the Kurds. I know they are Muslim, but they have been murdered, enslaved, and gassed for decades. Genocide is not a new thing for the Kurd population.

We have deserted all we thought important in the Middle-East. The best thing we can do with the Kurds is to encourage them to become a democratic nation.

koolbob on July 11, 2014 at 12:42 PM

I wonder what the map of the Middle East will look like in 5 years?

Sven on July 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM

I know Vox is a four-letter word on HA, but this collection of maps is outstanding (and the text is only moderately biased).

It doesn’t predict the future, but the past is very indicative of the volatility of empires and borders.

AesopFan on July 11, 2014 at 12:46 PM

A logistical question with these seizures of oil refineries. How do they go about receiving money for the supply of oil now under their “control”? Just start sending out change of address statements to their “customers”?

can_con on July 11, 2014 at 10:48 AM

I believe they ship it through Turkey via truck

Lord Whorfin on July 11, 2014 at 11:12 AM

It’s better for oil-consuming nations that the Kurds have control of the refineries than ISIS. If the Kurds break away from the Maliki government, they can no longer ship their oil down the Euphrates to the Persian Gulf.

However, with ISIS controlling the Sunni Triangle, Turkey no longer has access to Iraqi oil unless they buy it from the Kurds. Turkey needs the oil, but Turkey has many port cities along the Mediterranean and Black Seas from which it can export Kurdish oil. An oil deal between Turkey and Kurdistan is a win-win for both “countries”–Turkey gets a reliable supply of oil, Kurdistan gains access to a large export market through Turkey.

Steve Z on July 11, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Soon, America will announce its support for the Kurds, and the Kurds will start to sweat….

PersonFromPorlock on July 11, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Get ready for the sectarian bloodbath to come, and the best the West will probably be able to do is to contain it to Iraq and Syria while promoting democracy in the new, independent Kurdistan.

People never learn…

A American style democracy, with the magical inclusiveness, will be a disaster for the new Kurdistan. The best hope we have is some kind of ethnic (and secular) based semi-democratic government. The Kurds are still Muslims, and it is important to not allow their ethnic identity be trumped by the religious one, even if that means military rule.

This reminds me so much of all those idiots (many Americans, including certain conservatives) who always complained about the Turkish military occasionally doing coups. Well the Turkish military did those coups because some Islamist party won the election and was about to return Turkey back to the “good old days”.

William Eaton on July 11, 2014 at 1:55 PM

I can’t believe I’m allowing myself to write this, but Slow Joe was absolutely right. The old borders of Iraq are as arbitrary as they are idiotic. We should have pressed for partitioning the country after we deposed Saddam. All we did was replace the oppression of Shi’ites by Sunnis into the oppression of Sunnis by Shi’ites.

KingGold on July 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Not just Iraq, obviously. There are chunks of Turkey and Iran that should be a part of Kurdistan.

We should welcome any breakup of Iran, as it will weaken the nutball mullahs further.

slickwillie2001 on July 11, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Malaki is bush’s baby. Don’t try to reinvent history.

coolrepublica on July 11, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Shut up and eat your chicken.

slickwillie2001 on July 11, 2014 at 2:08 PM

I can’t believe I’m allowing myself to write this, but Slow Joe was absolutely right. The old borders of Iraq are as arbitrary as they are idiotic. We should have pressed for partitioning the country after we deposed Saddam. All we did was replace the oppression of Shi’ites by Sunnis into the oppression of Sunnis by Shi’ites.

KingGold on July 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Biden wanted to partition Iraq into three parts. The Kurds were the only one of those three that really made sense. They had already been largely independent of Saddam thanks to the no-fly zones, and had more of a sense of separateness and independence.

The other two partitions are too mixed up. There is no clear geographic boundary between the Sunni and Shiite parts of Iraq, and that makes partition between the two almost impossible.

Iraq was too much of a democracy, and too little of a federal republic. Greater federalism would have prevented a lot of the conflict, because it would have made it tougher for the Shiite majority to ride roughshod over the Sunnis. But the Shiites had the majority, and their first real chance to get power over the Sunnis, EVER, and … did not use it wisely.

Iraq needed a more strongly structured government to prevent any one faction from taking advantage of another faction.

Ironically, that’s the cause of a lot of conflict in our own country. We have activists and judges and activist judges trying to force everyone in the country to accept same-sex marriage even though two-thirds of the states rejected it outright, many putting it directly in their own constitution. The progressive faction that wants nationalized health care have forced Obamacare on everyone. Even the Hobby Lobby ruling was essentially the progressive faction demanding that every insurance sold provide a specific list of contraceptives, even though some of them were abortifacients. And the Supreme Court specifically decided that no state had the option to ban abortion (loss of self-government) due to their own interpretation of the Constitution that would have been rejected by the very people who created that Constitution and ratified it.

The refusal to allow self-government leads to all kinds of extreme measures.

There Goes the Neighborhood on July 11, 2014 at 2:54 PM

I can’t believe I’m allowing myself to write this, but Slow Joe was absolutely right. The old borders of Iraq are as arbitrary as they are idiotic. We should have pressed for partitioning the country after we deposed Saddam. All we did was replace the oppression of Shi’ites by Sunnis into the oppression of Sunnis by Shi’ites.

KingGold on July 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM

No. At the time he publicized his ‘plan’ for partition, US troops would have had to forcibly moved populations to make them homogeneous, set up three different governments and them referee between them. That would have been a bloodbath for us and them.

Instead we tried to settle differences between them and eventually set up a government that (for a time) had buy in from all 3 groups. Maliki has ripped it apart and all but invited ISIS (or ISIL or IS. . . I’ve lost track) in to start a hot civil war. I am not sorry Biden didn’t get his hot civil war while our folks were still in the middle.

Now, Ed is correct. It is in our best interest to support the only sane faction in this mess. It is sad that they are all back to killing each other but I will be glad ’til the day I die that it happened after we left and not before.

Dawnsblood on July 11, 2014 at 4:40 PM

On reflection it seems the Kurds would likely reject Malikis offer of inclusion if he were to offer it. Not very inclusive of the Kurds. That leaves only the legendary Sunni tribes hearts and minds to win over with inclusive thingies like clear transitions and women with a couple of rights and stuff. Will this be settled in some provincial election due at some point?

BL@KBIRD on July 11, 2014 at 6:37 PM

We should give the Kurds tanks and air support and let them stop at the Indian Ocean.

K. Hobbit on July 12, 2014 at 6:50 PM