Democrats plan on making Hobby Lobby their midterm message

posted at 12:41 pm on July 10, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

So says Politico’s Jennifer Haberkorn, but color me skeptical. Not of Haberkorn’s reporting on the subject, which accurately takes the temperature of the rhetoric from the Left, but of the bravado coming from Capitol Hill Democrats in the dog days of July. Democrats claim they want to make a midterm fight over a relatively narrow Supreme Court decision that doesn’t restrict access to contraception in any way as a means to fire up their “war on women” rhetoric and turn out their base in what looks like a dismal election cycle:

With an eye on the November elections, congressional Democrats on Wednesday introduced a bill that would overturn the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby contraception decision.

Democrats and women’s health groups believe they have a powerful campaign weapon in pushing back on the Supreme Court’s 5-4 ruling that Hobby Lobby and other closely held for-profit companies don’t have to comply with the health law’s contraceptive coverage requirement if it violates the owners’ religious beliefs.

The bill was drafted by Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), a longtime women’s health advocate, and Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.), who is up for reelection this year. Sen. Mark Begich, a Democrat up for reelection in Alaska, joined them at the press conference to release the bill. …

They’re framing it as the court allowing gender discrimination and putting bosses in charge of personal health decisions to use contraception, even when medicine is prescribed for nonreproductive reasons, such as to treat endometriosis. And they want to make sure Republicans have to answer whether they support it.

Well, that should be a pretty easy answer, for reasons which I’ll get to in a moment. First, Gabriel Malor points out a huge dose of hypocrisy in this effort by reminding readers that Democrats in Congress refused to address the RFRA issue during the ObamaCare debate. At that time, Democrats scoffed at suggestions that the ACA would infringe on religious expression, and avoided including goals like the contraception mandate in the statutes to maintain that illusion:

This is what Democrats were too scared to include in the original Obamacare bill. Remember, they didn’t want the Obamacare bill to be an “abortion” bill or a bill trampling religious rights, so they left this stuff out, leaving it up to HHS to implement the contraception and abortifacient coverage via regulation. Obviously, that doesn’t fly anymore because the Supreme Court has recognized that neither Obamacare nor the HHS regulations implementing it were exempt from RFRA.

Democrats got a lot more comfortable with the “War on Women” meme during the Romney campaign. They’ll be plenty happy to push this loser of a bill during election season.

Actually, I’d say they’re happy to talk about it now, as long as it’s only talk and only for a limited period of time. Gabriel gives a hint as to why as he explains that Democrats really are amending and partially repealing the very popular RFRA, even while they claim not to be doing so:

Also, while I’m covering things that are misleading, the Democrats proposing this bill insist that it does not amend RFRA. (See also my conversation with Sahil Kapur). But, of course it does.

The legislation, according to Kapur “clarifies that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, the basis for the Supreme Court’s ruling against the mandate, doesn’t permit businesses to opt out of laws they may object to.”

I know that words are hard for Democrats (see the subsidies lawsuits), but by “clarifying” that RFRA does not apply to businesses they are altering RFRA, which at the moment does apply to businesses. By which I mean, of course they’re “amending RFRA.” They just don’t want to admit it because the other way of putting it would be to say Democrats are trying to repeal part of RFRA. “Senator, please explain your vote against religious freedom,” is not something even Democrats are comfortable being asked.

Exactly. This bill will end up looking like a new endorsement of ObamaCare, and even more an endorsement of mandates that will conflict with individual liberties in a profound manner — as even the Supreme Court found. That may play well in deep-blue states, but that’s not the problem facing Senate Democrats in November. In my column for The Fiscal Times, I ask just how far Senate Democrats are willing to go in walking even farther into the ObamaCare/big government trap in the midterm cycle:

It attempts to restore a mandate that actually wasn’t included in the law itself, but was created as a regulation without any vote in Congress. Where the RFRA was a highly popular attempt to protect and expand the ability to defend religious expression – it passed unanimously in the House and 97-3 in the Senate, both controlled at the time by Democrats – the effect of this amendment will be to limit religious expression, which won’t endear Democrats to voters of faith in any sense.

Democratic incumbents in the Senate already face long odds in the upcoming midterm elections, largely because of ObamaCare and the unintended consequences of its rollout and control of the health-insurance market. Reid now wants them to cast a vote to limit religious conscience objections for products that are so widely available that the CDC couldn’t detect any access issues, in what will be seen as another endorsement of the unpopular ACA.

That will come either just before a new round of price hikes gets announced, or at the same time, just weeks ahead of the midterms – price hikes that have the White House so worried that their team has already begun the spin effort to deflect attention. On top of all this, Reid wants them to expose themselves to considerable voter backlash in purple and red states for a bill that has zero chance of becoming law.

Perhaps Harry Reid might convince these vulnerable Senate Democrats to go all in on a futile endorsement of Obamacare, bureaucratic arrogance, and restrictions on religious expression ahead of facing the voters. They may instead think back to what motivated the RFRA twenty-one years ago, and wonder what Harry Reid is smoking.

Good luck with that strategy, red-state Democrats.


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So women are fragile creatures who need others to pay their expenses?

rbj on July 10, 2014 at 12:43 PM

They obviously are throwing crap against the wall…maybe this one will stick.

d1carter on July 10, 2014 at 12:44 PM

If they try to get this passed, every dem in a red or purple state up for reelection must have plans after November because they will lose

ConservativePartyNow on July 10, 2014 at 12:46 PM

When you have nothing else to talk about, you can always talk about the weather Plan B.

blammm on July 10, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Bless their Hearts.

ToddPA on July 10, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Big squirrel, dummies.

The open border fiasco will do you in, all of you, some Rs too.

Schadenfreude on July 10, 2014 at 12:46 PM

d1carter on July 10, 2014 at 12:44 PM

It is the MO of the leftists. Koch brothers must not have worked well enough for them.

Bmore on July 10, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Hilarious.

Go for it, losers.

Pork-Chop on July 10, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Meh.
Bring it.

pambi on July 10, 2014 at 12:46 PM

OT:

I don’t know if anyone else is getting the full-length-down-the-left-side-of-every-page ad for Katie Pavlich’s new book (considering her beauty, I’m not complaining), but I just discovered that today is Katie’s 26th birthday. So, Happy Birthday, Katie!!!

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM

These guys will cut your heads off.

Schadenfreude on July 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Exactly. This bill will end up looking like a new endorsement of ObamaCare, and even more an endorsement of mandates that will conflict with individual liberties in a profound manner

Therefore I expect the Republican controlled House to pass it as well.

Fenris on July 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM

They seriously expect Red State Democrats such as Pryor, Landrieu, Begich and Tillis to vote for this?

sentinelrules on July 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM

There is no message there unless you lie about it as Dingy Reid and others will!

rjoco1 on July 10, 2014 at 12:49 PM

The modern feminist battle cry:

“I am slut, pay for my abortions or hear me whine” -Sandra Fluke

ConstantineXI on July 10, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Let the sniveling bastards whine all they want. It’s going NO WHERE.

GarandFan on July 10, 2014 at 12:49 PM

If they try to get this passed, every dem in a red or purple state up for reelection must have plans after November because they will lose

ConservativePartyNow on July 10, 2014 at 12:46 PM

They don’t care. Well, they do, but they have their priorities. Lefties are willing to risk their seats to advance their agenda, knowing full well that it will pay off in the long run. Besides, there’s always that lucrative lobbying/consulting gig waiting.

Fenris on July 10, 2014 at 12:49 PM

They seriously expect Red State Democrats such as Pryor, Landrieu, Begich and TillisHagan to vote for this?

sentinelrules on July 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM

FIFY. Walsh of Montana too.

blammm on July 10, 2014 at 12:50 PM

They seriously expect Red State Democrats such as Pryor, Landrieu, Begich and Tillis to vote for this?

sentinelrules on July 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Only if the leadership needs one more vote for it to pass. Seriously, do you think they care about what their constituents want?

Fenris on July 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM

They don’t care. Well, they do, but they have their priorities. Lefties are willing to risk their seats to advance their agenda, knowing full well that it will pay off in the long run. Besides, there’s always that lucrative lobbying/consulting gig waiting.

Fenris on July 10, 2014 at 12:49 PM

The central plank in the democrat platform is murder the babies.

ConstantineXI on July 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM

They must be reading Kos again.

formwiz on July 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM

(D)s are running against the law they alone wrote, the constitutional scholar professor passed, and now businesses are adhering to as written and passed?
 
What?

rogerb on July 10, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Only if the leadership needs one more vote for it to pass. Seriously, do you think they care about what their constituents want?

Fenris on July 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM

The sad truth here is that this IS what the democrat constituency wants.

ConstantineXI on July 10, 2014 at 12:53 PM

This, Harry, this. Play it and send it around.

Schadenfreude on July 10, 2014 at 12:53 PM


Democrats plan on making Hobby Lobby their midterm message

So long, Koch brothers! We hardly knew ye.

rogaineguy on July 10, 2014 at 12:53 PM

If they try to get this passed, every dem in a red or purple state up for reelection must have plans after November because they will lose

ConservativePartyNow on July 10, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Red State Dems will never go for this in an election year. It simply isn’t going to happen. This is all smack talk right now so the Dems can say; See? we are doing something about the evil Bush Supreme Court that hates women, eleventy!

Johnnyreb on July 10, 2014 at 12:53 PM

I’m pretty encouraged if they actually think this is the sharpest arrow in their quiver.

tommyboy on July 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM

So women are fragile creatures who need others to pay their expenses?

rbj on July 10, 2014 at 12:43 PM

As long as it secures their loyalty and votes for the dems. You betcha. And it ain’t so much the frailty as it’s just stuff they they are entitled to in having someone else who is perceived to be greedy and have loads of money pay for.

hawkeye54 on July 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Remember, they hate the First Amendment. They also think people are easily led simpletons.

Buck Farky on July 10, 2014 at 12:56 PM

The central plank in the democrat platform is murder the babies.

ConstantineXI on July 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Same reason they want hundreds of thousands illegal alien children. Someone has to fill the future void of government dependency and cheap labor.

hawkeye54 on July 10, 2014 at 12:56 PM

The sad truth here is that this IS what the democrat constituency wants.

ConstantineXI on July 10, 2014 at 12:53 PM

I dunno, unless you mean La Raza as the new constituency. There are lots of people who want lots of things that Democrats vote against, but they keep voting Democrat because Republicans are evil racists. And at this point, many Republicans aren’t any better than the Democrats anyway.

Fenris on July 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM

I expect a few RINOs will help them get it passed.

bgibbs1000 on July 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM

OT:

I don’t know if anyone else is getting the full-length-down-the-left-side-of-every-page ad for Katie Pavlich’s new book (considering her beauty, I’m not complaining), but I just discovered that today is Katie’s 26th birthday. So, Happy Birthday, Katie!!!

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Yes – Happy Birthday, KP! And many more. :)

On Topic: Bring it, Harry Koch!

22044 on July 10, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Same reason they want hundreds of thousands illegal alien children. Someone has to fill the future void of government dependency and cheap labor.

hawkeye54 on July 10, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Plus, you can’t play the slavery card forever, it’s been a century and a half, and half a century since the Jim Crow laws. At some point that slogan loses its effectiveness.

Fenris on July 10, 2014 at 12:58 PM

IT’S

THE

LAW

Suck it Dims.

Meople on July 10, 2014 at 12:59 PM

I expect a few RINOs will help them get it passed.

bgibbs1000 on July 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM

It may make it through the Senate, but will be DOA in the House.

Everyone knows it.

Meople on July 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM

OT:

I don’t know if anyone else is getting the full-length-down-the-left-side-of-every-page ad for Katie Pavlich’s new book (considering her beauty, I’m not complaining), but I just discovered that today is Katie’s 26th birthday. So, Happy Birthday, Katie!!!

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM

OOT: Is there any way to make the freaky little Teavana girl go away?

hawkdriver on July 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM

me reason they want hundreds of thousands illegal alien children. Someone has to fill the future void of government dependency and cheap labor.

hawkeye54 on July 10, 2014 at 12:56 PM

If even 40% of the illegal alien invaders would vote Republican, Obama and Harry Reid would themselves be on the border machine gunning them down as they swarm.

ConstantineXI on July 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM

So according to the Dims, forcing your boss to pay for your abortifcients is the most important issue in the country. Good luck with that.

TarheelBen on July 10, 2014 at 1:01 PM

I love the smell of desperation in a fascist democrat. It smells like victory. However, I never underestimate the GOP leadership to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

jukin3 on July 10, 2014 at 1:03 PM

They are going for women. We are about to witness the reemergence of second wave feminism.

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM

They seriously expect Red State Democrats such as Pryor, Landrieu, Begich and TillisHagan to vote for this?

sentinelrules on July 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM

FIFY. Walsh of Montana too.

blammm on July 10, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Think they’ll require these Dems to stay home or vote present that day? Otherwise this Senate measure might very well be defeated by a bipartisan vote.

obladioblada on July 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Dear GOPe/RINOs:
Never interrupt the Demorats when they are making a mistake!

22044 on July 10, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Lying and calling for the repeal of the 1st Amendment sure sounds like one hell of a winning message….

That should work as well as their regular call for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

Athos on July 10, 2014 at 1:08 PM

They are going for women. We are about to witness the reemergence of second wave feminism.

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM

We’re still waiting for the second wave of Civil Rights after the VRA was gutted and the Trayvon Martin verdict.

sentinelrules on July 10, 2014 at 1:11 PM

FIFY. Walsh of Montana too.

blammm on July 10, 2014 at 12:50 PM

That’s right.

Not to mention that woman Democrat from North Dakota and Manchin from WV.

sentinelrules on July 10, 2014 at 1:12 PM

They are going for women. We are about to witness the reemergence of second wave feminism.

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Correction: they are going for stupid women who don’t realize that Hobby Lobby wasn’t trying to take away contraception at all.

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 1:13 PM

OOT: Is there any way to make the freaky little Teavana girl go away?
 
hawkdriver on July 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM

 
I use the Do Not Track Me add on in Chrome and check “click to play” plugins under settings/advanced settings/content.
 
It really quiets the place down. Look at the screenshots I just took:
 
http://imgur.com/owyaGDs

http://imgur.com/XWlT98V

 
I couldn’t stand it otherwise. FWIW, it’s so peaceful I have no idea who the Teavana girl even is.

rogerb on July 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM

“Good luck.”

Running on messaging that sounds abjectly moronic to us has, unfortunately, been working for them. And with a GOP still hellbent on pissing off their own base, I wouldn’t blithely dismiss this.

Midas on July 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM

I couldn’t stand it otherwise. FWIW, it’s so peaceful I have no idea who the Teavana girl even is.

rogerb on July 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Me too; with adblock and ‘click to play’, i see no ads, and have no autoplays of any kind.

Midas on July 10, 2014 at 1:16 PM

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Correction: they are going for stupid women who don’t realize that Hobby Lobby wasn’t trying to take away contraception at all.

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 1:13 PM

They are going for lady parts. All democrat women are nothing more than voting vag1nas.

To Harry and Co., they are holes in the mattress that answer to a name.

CurtZHP on July 10, 2014 at 1:17 PM

They are going for women. We are about to witness the reemergence of second wave feminism.

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Yep, cause nothing screams feminism like forcing someone else to pay for your “health” “choices”.

You go, girl.

HumpBot Salvation on July 10, 2014 at 1:17 PM

Remember when they laugh at you and your Stupid Party:

They have Patty Murray.

spiritof61 on July 10, 2014 at 1:17 PM

They are going for women. We are about to witness the reemergence of second wave feminism.

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM

While America laughs at you for attempting to force the Little Sisters of the Poor to pay for contraception.

itsspideyman on July 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM

So the government-sanctioned persecution of Christians begins in earnest.

Steve Eggleston on July 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Will Honduran refugee women at the border get free morning-after pills?

John the Libertarian on July 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM

hawkdriver on July 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Yes. There is a way.

Bmore on July 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Midas on July 10, 2014 at 1:16 PM

I had to move over onto a machine without any blockers or security protection. This site sucks if those things are not installed. Lolz!

Bmore on July 10, 2014 at 1:20 PM

oh no, hobby lobby pays for 16 contraceptives instead of 20 contraceptives! THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT CRISIS FACING AMERICA TODAY!!!!

Sachiko on July 10, 2014 at 1:21 PM

We are about to witness the reemergence of second wave feminism.
 
libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM

 
Five EBT credits to the first person who knew that “second wave feminism” was a real phrase referring to an actual thing and wasn’t just missing a “the” and an “of”.

rogerb on July 10, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Will Honduran refugee women at the border get free morning-after pills?

John the Libertarian on July 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM

No, the Left wants them churning out anchor babies.

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 1:25 PM

They are going for women. We are about to witness the reemergence of second wave feminism.

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM

So this is where the feminist movement has brought us? Demanding that someone else pay for contraceptives that are already widely available?

TarheelBen on July 10, 2014 at 1:25 PM

oh no, hobby lobby pays for 16 contraceptives instead of 20 contraceptives! THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT CRISIS FACING AMERICA TODAY!!!!

Sachiko on July 10, 2014 at 1:21 PM

And the four drugs they refused to supply are not contraceptives.

davidk on July 10, 2014 at 1:26 PM

They are going for women. We are about to witness the reemergence of second wave feminism.

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Yeah, they’re emerging. Straight from the Abyss of stupidity.

This bill is a spectacular example of what happens when you live in an echo chamber. Reid, Murray and their pals all think that this is a winning issue because, after all, everyone they know thinks Hobby Lobby is the second coming of Dred Scott. So surely it will be a winner in Louisiana, Arkansas, and Montana.

Athanasius on July 10, 2014 at 1:28 PM

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Thank you for showing us that you have a low opinion of women.

22044 on July 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Since viewing a photo of Patty Murray immediately ends male copulative activity, in essence the federal government already provides free contraception thus rendering the issue moot.

Most second-wave feminist women/transgenders also retain a waterproof vinyl picture of Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn.

spiritof61 on July 10, 2014 at 1:31 PM

They are going for women. We are about to witness the reemergence of second wave feminism.

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:07 PM

The first wave peter out or something?

Bmore on July 10, 2014 at 1:31 PM

So this is where the feminist movement has brought us? Demanding that someone else pay for contraceptives that are already widely available?

TarheelBen on July 10, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Not only contraceptives, but also for the government to force businesses to provide abortifacients paid for by either the business or taxpayer when they are already widely and inexpensively available.

So the government-sanctioned persecution of Christians begins in earnest.

Steve Eggleston on July 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM

This is exactly what the fascists are attempting to do. Gut the 1st Amendment. Then gut the 2nd Amendment, the 4th Amendment, the 10th Amendment…pretty soon, the Constitution ceases to exist.

Athos on July 10, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Five EBT credits to the first person who knew that “second wave feminism” was a real phrase referring to an actual thing and wasn’t just missing a “the” and an “of”.

rogerb on July 10, 2014 at 1:22 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism

Also:

The first wave of feminism took place in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, emerging out of an environment of urban industrialism and liberal, socialist politics.

The second wave began in the 1960s and continued into the 90′s. This wave unfolded in the context of the anti-war and civil rights movements and the growing self-consciousness of a variety of minority groups around the world.

The third phase of feminism

began in the mid-90′s and is informed by post-colonial and post-modern thinking. In this phase many constructs have been destabilized, including the notions of “universal womanhood,” body, gender, sexuality and hetreronormativity.

http://www.pacificu.edu/magazine_archives/2008/fall/echoes/feminism.cfm

davidk on July 10, 2014 at 1:32 PM

The first wave peter out or something?

Bmore on July 10, 2014 at 1:31 PM

I thought we were already on the 3rd or 4th wave.

Fenris on July 10, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Sometimes I get the Teavana chick. Now I have a MegaMillions ad.

22044 on July 10, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Good luck with that. I’ve yet to see a poll where those that disagree with the decision outnumber those that support it. In fact, in every poll, the approval support is outside the MOE.

If the Supreme Court had upheld the regulation, a lot of people would have been upset or uncomfortable, but probably would have, in the end, shrugged their shoulders and accepted it to some degree or another. Congress forcing people to violate their religious beliefs is different. I know it doesn’t make a lot of sense, but I’ve seen too many people just finally accept a court decision…Because Constitution…although the very existence of the RFRA demonstrates that even some decisions are so egregious that the people force Congress and the President to act.

Most people know the First Amendment and are unaware that the Court ruled on a statute, not the Constitution. For some reason – and it’s just experience and intuition – I think that Americans would have a much harder time accepting such a radical position if forced upon them by Congress. Just look at Obamacare. It has never had majority popular support, but after the Court ruled, many just accepted it. Maybe, it’s just the logical result of Black Robe Tyranny.

Of course, this bill is going nowhere and, frankly, with thousands of poor and uneducated illegals flooding into the country daily (many with communicable diseases), the Middle East on absolute fire, economic stagnation, and increasing disapproval of the Federal government, as well as Democrats even beginning to question Obama’s competence, it is pretty pathetic that the Democratic platform has been reduced to sex – both reproductive and homosexual.

Democrats have to run with Sandra Fluke, Bert, and Ernie because otherwise they would be left with ‘Hey, reelect us and we will make sure that you continue to party like it’s 1979!’

Resist We Much on July 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Sounds like a plan..start talking about how a miniscule portion of the population might have to pay for their own abortifacients while tens of millions across the US see their health insurance premiums increase by double digits.

That’s a Charlie Sheen plan for winning!

HumpBot Salvation on July 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM

rogerb on July 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Yes. There is a way.

Bmore on July 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Imma try it.

hawkdriver on July 10, 2014 at 1:40 PM

The first wave peter out or something?

Bmore on July 10, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Well if you’ve ever seen a feminist…the answer is yes.

HumpBot Salvation on July 10, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Why wouldn’t they focus their strategy on it? Like it or not, it works…low info voters buy the garbage hook, line, and sinker, while politically engaged young, single women will no doubt favor getting contraception for “free” versus little things like religious freedom and the like. S

changer1701 on July 10, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Somehow it’s legit to vote on firearm issues, but let a woman vote based upon which party best serves her reproductive health, and suddenly she’s “brainwashed.” Amazingly, the same people who claim to be pro-life tend not to care all that much about the affordable delivery of services that facilitate healthy pregnancies and childraising. But whatever. It’s all about telling coeds to “put an aspirin between the knee” right?

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Somehow it’s legit to vote on firearm issues, but let a woman vote based upon which party best serves her reproductive health, and suddenly she’s “brainwashed.” Amazingly, the same people who claim to be pro-life tend not to care all that much about the affordable delivery of services that facilitate healthy pregnancies and childraising. But whatever. It’s all about telling coeds to “put an aspirin between the knee” right?

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:52 PM

$10/month isn’t affordable?

Fenris on July 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Perfect read

Schadenfreude on July 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Somehow it’s legit to vote on firearm issues…
 
libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:52 PM

 
And gay marriage.
 
Oh. Nevermind.
 
Did you mean to make such a good point about courts having to rule on Reid’s obviously bumbling and poorly written and constitutional-scholarly passed Obamacare legislation that is completely responsible for Hobby Lobby doing such horrible and sexist things?
 
Thanks if so. And if not, I suppose.

rogerb on July 10, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Not that anyone is interested.

davidk on July 10, 2014 at 1:35 PM

ROFL. Are you kidding? The Sexual Revolution of the 60s and 70s, and the impact that it has had and continues to have, is a truly amazing subject. Second wave feminism played a part in that, with demands upon women to reject traditional values and embrace immoral behaviors for the purpose of proving to society at large that they were truly feminists. Second wave feminists despised traditional values. They saw traditional marriage as an oppressive force in the lives of women and sought to destroy this point of traditionalism in our society by any and all means they could find. They were and still are zealots who care more about their ideology than they do about society as a whole.

Third wave feminists are more independent-minded. Sure, they’ve been led down the garden path on various principles that were upheld during the second wave feminism, but they’re more inclined to choose their own path. If a woman wants to embrace motherhood and traditional marriage, a third wave feminist will see that as being an exercise of her freedoms.

lineholder on July 10, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Somehow it’s legit to vote on firearm issues, but let a woman vote based upon which party best serves her reproductive health, and suddenly she’s “brainwashed.” Amazingly, the same people who claim to be pro-life tend not to care all that much about the affordable delivery of services that facilitate healthy pregnancies and childraising. But whatever. It’s all about telling coeds to “put an aspirin between the knee” right?

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Broken record……*yawn*

itsspideyman on July 10, 2014 at 2:03 PM

And gay marriage.

OK.

Oh. Nevermind.

You got it!

Did you mean to make such a good point about courts having to rule on Reid’s obviously bumbling and poorly written and constitutional-scholarly passed Obamacare legislation that is completely responsible for Hobby Lobby doing such horrible and sexist things?

Thanks if so. And if not, I suppose.

rogerb on July 10, 2014 at 1:59 PM

I always forget that in the conservative imagination, corporations can never be held accountable for their behavior. Everything they do that we don’t like is entirely because government regulation somehow forced them.

*clasps hands in prayer*
Oh benevolent corporate Deities, forgive my challenge of your supreme control over our hearts and minds. Can I still get a new Ipod for Christmas?

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Noah Rothman ‏@NoahCRothman 10m

“Some people say, ‘You’re an idiot,’ and that’s how I know I’m getting a good representative sampling.” – Obama on the letters he gets.

Bmore on July 10, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Amazingly, the same people who claim to be pro-life tend not to care all that much about the affordable delivery of services that facilitate healthy pregnancies and childraising.

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Tell us more about your embracing of eugenics – where abortions are necessary and encouraged to reduce the size of the welfare state?

Oh, and where do abortifacients ‘facilitate healthy pregnancies and childraising?

Finally, contraceptives are available at WalMart, CVS, Rite-Aid etc for $9 per month – isn’t that the ‘affordable delivery of services’? That’s the price of 2 latte’s at Starbucks per month, and there are private organizations that will provide them for ‘free’. That’s not ‘affordable’?

Why does the business or taxpayer have to pay for abortifacients when they have a religious objection to abortifacients?

At the core of your argument, it remains little more than embracing fascism – supporting the government forcing businesses and individuals to do something that they have a 1st Amendment right to not do – thereby invalidating 1st Amendment rights.

Athos on July 10, 2014 at 2:05 PM

lineholder on July 10, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Is that you Phyllis?

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Amazingly, the same people who claim to be pro-life tend not to care all that much about the affordable delivery of services that facilitate healthy pregnancies and childraising.

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Please, please, please tell me that this is a reference to Planned Parenthood. Please.

bigmacdaddy on July 10, 2014 at 2:06 PM

That is some twisted up in a knot pretzel logic right there. The kind only an isolated academic can provide.

Bmore on July 10, 2014 at 2:06 PM

*clasps hands in prayer*
Oh benevolent corporate Deities, forgive my challenge of your supreme control over our hearts and minds. Can I still get a new Ipod for Christmas?

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Sorry, you’re getting a lump of coal in your stocking this year.

*slaps thigh*

itsspideyman on July 10, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Nice points, Mr. Morrisey.

Then again, Dems are the party that voted thrice to remove God from their platform. Not sure how much conscience protections and religious freedoms mean to them these days.

lineholder on July 10, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Is that you Phyllis?

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Is that you, Syphilis?

bigmacdaddy on July 10, 2014 at 2:09 PM

I always forget that in the conservative imagination, corporations can never be held accountable for their behavior. Everything they do that we don’t like is entirely because government regulation somehow forced them.

*clasps hands in prayer*
Oh benevolent corporate Deities, forgive my challenge of your supreme control over our hearts and minds. Can I still get a new Ipod for Christmas?

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 2:04 PM

We’re not talking about everything, we’re talking about this particular thing: forcing Hobby Lobby to provide abortion pills.

Fenris on July 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM

There’s only one reason the Democrat are doing this – they are praying that some dumb Republicans take the bait and start an in-the-weeds discussion about contraception vs. abortifacients and they slip up and say something that can be turned into this year’s Todd Akin Memorial Gaffe. Reid will let the Red State Dems vote against this bill and then try to blame Republicans for blocking it. (Thought it could be a reeeeeaaalllly interesting vote for Mary Landrieu, LOL.)

All Republicans have to say is “Settled Law. Religious Freedom.”

rockmom on July 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM

libfreeordie on July 10, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Hate to bust your fairy tale illusions about 2nd-wavers, libfreewhatever, but there’s nothing I said in that statement that was stated by leaders of the feminist movement back in the 60s and 70s.

lineholder on July 10, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Hate to bust your fairy tale illusions about 2nd-wavers, libfreewhatever, but there’s nothing I said in that statement that was NOT stated by leaders of the feminist movement back in the 60s and 70s.

lineholder on July 10, 2014 at 2:11 PM

FIFM

lineholder on July 10, 2014 at 2:11 PM

FIFM

lineholder on July 10, 2014 at 2:11 PM

We get it.

She won’t.

itsspideyman on July 10, 2014 at 2:14 PM

FIFM

lineholder on July 10, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Lolz! ; )

Bmore on July 10, 2014 at 2:16 PM

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