Conservatives and establishment GOP agree: Don’t impeach Obama

posted at 1:21 pm on July 10, 2014 by Noah Rothman

It appears that former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin went out on a limb when she said that the proper way to address President Barack Obama’s executive overreach would be to appeal to the impeachment process.

The ironic fact of the matter is that she has a point; the traditional remedy that the House is alleging in an anticipated lawsuit over Obama exceeding the limits of presidential authority would be impeachment (though whether Obama’s infractions rise to the level of “Treason, Bribery or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is debatable). The grounds on which House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) will sue the White House will have to be on extraordinarily tailored grounds in order for the courts, which are usually trepidatious about adjudicating disputes between the executive and legislative branches, to take it up.

The problem with Palin’s impeachment recommendation is not process but politics. As Allahpundit documented on Wednesday, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) ruled out impeachment in no uncertain terms. The GOP’s nominee for Senate in Iowa, Joni Ernst, backtracked after endorsing impeachment to claiming that she has seen no “evidence that the President should be impeached.”

Even Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), one of the more conservative members of the House when he served and a Republican who maintains a lifetime American Conservative Union rating of 97 percent as of 2011, ruled out impeachment. “I think so,” Flake told Fox News Channel’s Bret Baier on Wednesday when asked if impeachment proceedings would be “problematic” for his party.

The Wall Street Journal editorial board perhaps made the case against Palin’s call for impeachment a bit harshly when they implied that she was speaking purely out of self-interest.

“Sarah Palin joined the impeachment calls on Tuesday, which could mean that the former Alaska Governor has been feeling neglected,” the WSJ editorial read. “She is following the talk radio hosts and obscure authors who are trying to increase audience share or sell books by posing as Mr. Obama’s loudest opponents.”

Mrs. Palin immediately received the media fillip she wanted, especially from MSNBC and the left-wing websites that want to portray the fading GOP star as a conservative leader. Progressives would like nothing better than for Republicans to try to impeach Mr. Obama, so they could scare up otherwise demoralized Democratic voters to come to the polls this November.

The Journal is correct, however, in that the Democrats would love to run in 2014 on Republican impeachment proceedings. In their absence, they are already fundraising off of Palin’s comments.

“Yesterday, Sarah Palin called for President Obama’s impeachment,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) wrote in a fundraising email. “Usually, I’d completely ignore this, but she’s not alone. Next week, Speaker Boehner will launch a three-week show trial leading up to a frivolous lawsuit against President Obama.”

Republicans in Congress are acutely aware of the negative impact the impeachment of Bill Clinton had on their electoral prospects. Impeachment reversed the historic headwinds the party in control of the White House faces in a president’s sixth year and turned them into a gale blowing directly in the GOP’s face. Republicans lost five seats in the House and made no gains in the Senate in 1998, and the GOP does not want to repeat that history.

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BS – IMPEACH!!!

I know he won’t be convicted by Dingy Harry’s Senate, but the House should impeach. Get ALL of his criminal activities on the record.

dentarthurdent on July 10, 2014 at 1:24 PM

This could be a fun thread.

cozmo on July 10, 2014 at 1:24 PM

I hate republicans.

wheelgun on July 10, 2014 at 1:27 PM

So politics over doing the right thing

Sigh

cmsinaz on July 10, 2014 at 1:28 PM

I wouldn’t impeach yet, wait till we take the Senate, otherwise it won’t happen. The result of impeachment, President Joe Foot in your Mouth. Do we really want that, he would be a disaster. The other thing is, lets wait for the smoking gun in one of the scandals that implicates Obama, then it would be more open and shut and the American people (voters) will be more behind it.

Sven on July 10, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Leave it to the GOP to throw cards from the deck even if they had no chance of using them. Losers.

joekenha on July 10, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Pressure the dems to impeach him instead.

Why do they want to be complicit in his lawlessness?

Why won’t they put their own house in order?

CurtZHP on July 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM

On Wednesday’s Hannity on Fox News, conservative scholar and talk radio host Mark Levin said that formera Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was “exactly right” in her call for impeachment.

Levin, who was the chief of staff to Attorney General Ed Meese in Ronald Reagan’s administration, said that if America is a “functioning Constitutional republic” with a President who “violates the separation of powers” and thumbs his nose at the court system and says he’s going to do more of it… she’s exactly right.”
“This would be an open and shut case,” he said. “She stands with the framers.”

idesign on July 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM

It seems Sarah Palin has by herself, destroyed the Republican Party, our nation, the movement, our liberties, the taking of the Senate, the lose of Congressional seats, and the 2016 Presidential election suggesting that the tool of Impeachment be used against President Obama.

portlandon on July 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Conservatives and establishment GOP agree: Don’t impeach Obama

But you didn’t cite a single conservative. WSJ, Flake (since becoming a Senator), Joni Ernst (faux conservative, it seems), and Boehner don’t count.

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Hey, Noah, you forgot the thread caption.

You want it to be “Rubes”. So, go for it.

Schadenfreude on July 10, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Flake is no conservative. Check out http://www.senatorflake.com for examples of his betrayal of conservative ideals and his support for amnesty.

azpatriotsdotcom on July 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Levin, who was the chief of staff to Attorney General Ed Meese in Ronald Reagan’s administration, said that if America is a “functioning Constitutional republic” with a President who “violates the separation of powers” and thumbs his nose at the court system and says he’s going to do more of it… she’s exactly right.”
“This would be an open and shut case,” he said. “She stands with the framers.”

idesign on July 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM

If the word “impeachment” were whispered by Paul Ryan, the vichy Republicrats would be falling all over themselves laying out 50 logical & legal reason that Ryan was right.

portlandon on July 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM

I know he won’t be convicted by Dingy Harry’s Senate, but the House should impeach. Get ALL of his criminal activities on the record.

dentarthurdent on July 10, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Nice idea, except that there are people to this day that don’t know the correct reason why Clinton was impeached.

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Boy did Sarah shoot her load early on this one! Oops.

BoehnerTears on July 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Talk about picking nits – impeachment is deemed foolish but “suing the Pres” isn’t?

Personally I hope Palin keeps calling Obama as she sees him. IMO she owes little if any loyalty to the GOP and she is entitled to her opinions. If nothing else Palin helps us forget what a bunch of cry baby wussies we have in Congress.

katiejane on July 10, 2014 at 1:34 PM

The border is being overrun by illegal immigrants, the Middle East volatility levels are off the charts, with Israel looking remarkably close to a war, hell, even the Mississippi election is becoming most interesting. And this is what you’re stuck on?

wolfsDad on July 10, 2014 at 1:34 PM

The spineless clowns in Washington would never follow through with it, even if they start it, so what’s the point?

RBMN on July 10, 2014 at 1:34 PM

when scum like frum and scarborough call themselves conservative.

its time for a name change.

renalin on July 10, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Republicans lost five seats in the House and made no gains in the Senate in 1998, and the GOP does not want to repeat that history.

Hey, Noah, looks like you and Boehner have something in common….both stuck in the past

lineholder on July 10, 2014 at 1:35 PM

when scum like frum and scarborough call themselves conservative.

its time for a name change.

renalin on July 10, 2014 at 1:34 PM

I vote for Bitter Clingers.

I’m not biased in the least.

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Looks like the GOPe (the Neville Chamberlain wing) has got their talking points lined up.

It’s a shame you never see this kind of party discipline when it matters, like when they should actually OPPOSE the Democrats or something…

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Fine – don’t impeach just strip him of his powers.

He is in full on dereliction of duty by not stopping this flow of immigrants which will, undoubtedly, let Islamic terrorists through the border with nuclear weapons AND get a drivers license while destroying our employment base and overloading our social service systems!

How is that not, in any way shape or form, a clear and present danger to the US?

But nooo… Let’s not impeach… That’s political suicide… The GOP might lose voters.

Do y’all in the establishment have any idea how petty you sound?

Skywise on July 10, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Don’t impeach. Instead, demand a special prosecutor, and help him design orange suits for all important Obama’s henchmen such as Holden, Lerner, Sibelius, etc. Most importantly, schedule the prosecution in such a way so to announce the sentences after Obama leaves the White House (assuming he does).

Rix on July 10, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Great strategy for midterms

gxbhkt on July 10, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Republicans lost five seats in the House and made no gains in the Senate in 1998, and the GOP does not want to repeat that history.

So it doesn’t hurt us?

I’m sure that sounded smarter when you typed it.

nobar on July 10, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Nice idea, except that there are people to this day that don’t know the correct reason why Clinton was impeached.

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM

There are many people in this country who don’t know much of anything – as I’ve said many times – the Idiocracy is here already.

But that’s a good reason to document ALL of it in articles of impeachment.

dentarthurdent on July 10, 2014 at 1:38 PM

i guess what i don’t understand is, if it’s not a good thing to try to impeach obama, then why is it good to sue him? dems will try to fundraise off of that as well, as you can see. why not go for impeachment? he has done things worthy of impeachment.

also it’s hilarious that people are accusing sarah of speaking out just to get attention, when those people ARE giving her more attention. =)

Sachiko on July 10, 2014 at 1:38 PM

So, like the Dems, this is about power and control rather than defense of the Constitution? Say it ain’t so, HA?

stop2think on July 10, 2014 at 1:38 PM

I was against impeachment (on political grounds), but if Sarah Palin is for it and Boehner is against it, then I’m probably wrong. Besides, what do I care if it hurts Republicans? They’re no better than the admitted lefties.

Fenris on July 10, 2014 at 1:38 PM

I wouldn’t impeach yet, wait till we take the Senate, otherwise it won’t happen. The result of impeachment, President Joe Foot in your Mouth. Do we really want that, he would be a disaster. The other thing is, lets wait for the smoking gun in one of the scandals that implicates Obama, then it would be more open and shut and the American people (voters) will be more behind it.

Sven on July 10, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Do you think, if the situation were reversed, that the Democrats would WAIT to take advantage of this situation?

They knew Obamacare might risk political fallout from the overreach, but they went ahead anyway because THAT’S WHAT WINNERS DO.

The reason they continue to beat the GOP is because they are willing to be more cutthroat than them.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Even Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), one of the more conservative members of the House when he served and a Republican who maintains a lifetime American Conservative Union rating of 97 percent as of 2011, ruled out impeachment.

I think there have been policy debates since 2011 that Jeff Flake was prominent in. I would goggle it, but I’m not “tech-savvy” enough to figure out :(

sauldalinsky on July 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Noah is just regurgitating the GOP talking points he was ordered to express from his higher ups..:)

idesign on July 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Rats wanted to impeach Bush over fake war crime charges but didn’t.

Fact is, unless we get a smoking gun implicating Obama in one of his many scandals, it’s just going to be a waste of time. Even then I have my doubts if we could get the requisite number of donkeys to vote him out of there, but at least then the pursuit is beyond question.

crrr6 on July 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM

nobar on July 10, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Ah, they’re just letting their fears dictate their actions. No biggee. And then their opponents play on those fears. No sweat.

They’re just going to hand away what’s left of American freedoms and liberties in the process.

lineholder on July 10, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Hark! the sterile eunuchs squeak!
Hail Karl Rove the Texas geek!

cbenoistd on July 10, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Don’t impeach. It’s a distraction. Instead, defund. Take away all of his money for the EPA, IRS, everything… He’s only using them for partisan purposes, so take away his toys. We have the House, and that means we control the purse strings.

It will never happen as long as Obama’s water-carrier, Boehner, is the Speaker, but it’s nice to at least voice the idea.

Wino on July 10, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Sorry Noah, “Country First.” This has nothing to do with partisan politics.

Congressmen and senators take an oath to preserve the constitution not their party.

The GOP will not take the senate now that the NRSC crossed the Rubicon and called conservatives racists.

Let the Democrats defend Obama’s lawlessness, They can’t.

Besides, I don’t give a damn about the corrupt crony capitalist gopE.

Burn it down.

Jayrae on July 10, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Some people occasionally described as “Conservatives and establishment GOP agree: Don’t impeach Obama”.

FIFY

formwiz on July 10, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Sarah’s been ahead of the game for years.

Prescient at times.

She’s right more than the GOP establishment.

…and braver than the Beltway politicians whose main concern is lining their own pockets, i.e., “business as usual”.

And she calls it like it is.

…”death panels” anyone.

davisbr on July 10, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Face it, our betters insist we must watch helplessly as Obama continues to trash the nation for the next several years. I’m not sure I can take it anymore though, already just watching the “news” makes a wreck out of me. I’m only thankful I haven’t rammed my fist through the TV screen yet when I see his face.

otlset on July 10, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Impeachment reversed the historic headwinds the party in control of the White House faces in a president’s sixth year and turned them into a gale blowing directly in the GOP’s face. Republicans lost five seats in the House and made no gains in the Senate in 1998, and the GOP does not want to repeat that history.

BS!!
Look at the actual timelines. Impeachment of Clinton didn’t actually happen until early 1999 – AFTER the GOP losses in the Nov 1998 election (and they still held the majority in the House) and AFTER Gingrich resigned as Speaker due to the election losses AND his ethics violation.

dentarthurdent on July 10, 2014 at 1:42 PM

The reason they continue to beat the GOP is because they are willing to be more cutthroat than them.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM

The very thing that will eventually result in their defeat, many Americans are coming out of their shell and realizing who has their best interestd in mind. I believe most people have noticed the amount of conservative Blacks coming out against Libruls. That is our future!

Sven on July 10, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Republicans lost five seats in the House and made no gains in the Senate in 1998, and the GOP does not want to repeat that history.

Kind of like when TEH OMG SHUTDOWN lost the congress for republicans in 1996. Oh wait. They kept congress and gained TWO senate seats.

NWConservative on July 10, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Leaders lead….the rest are followers.

d1carter on July 10, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Good post Noah. Impeachment without the votes for removal is exactly what Obama wants.

Captain Kirock on July 10, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Don’t impeach. It’s a distraction. Instead, defund. Take away all of his money for the EPA, IRS, everything… He’s only using them for partisan purposes, so take away his toys. We have the House, and that means we control the purse strings.
Wino on July 10, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Why not do ALL of that?
The House should be able to handle multiple bills at the same time.
And I disagree that it’s a distraction – I think it puts the focus and highlights on all of King Putt’s criminal activities.

dentarthurdent on July 10, 2014 at 1:46 PM

The very thing that will eventually result in their defeat, many Americans are coming out of their shell and realizing who has their best interestd in mind. I believe most people have noticed the amount of conservative Blacks coming out against Libruls. That is our future!

Sven on July 10, 2014 at 1:43 PM

No. You must be younger than 30. I’ve seen this hopeful optimism before. It just doesn’t happen. There is no reversing this trend as long as the GOP is the ‘other half’ of the government. They are always going to capitulate. They can’t even defund Obama because they are too scared of a budget battle/government shutdown.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Shorter version:

Surrender.

ReaganWasRight on July 10, 2014 at 1:46 PM

At this point, IMPEACH stuff is Alex Jones stuff.

You just look like a loony.

Get a special prosecutor, put some crimes on the table. Follow the process, if you are serious. Expecting a president to be impeached just becasue of some arm wavers on the internet isn’t realistic at all.

Moesart on July 10, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Don’t impeach. It’s a distraction. Instead, defund. Take away all of his money for the EPA, IRS, everything… He’s only using them for partisan purposes, so take away his toys. We have the House, and that means we control the purse strings.
Wino on July 10, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Tried, and failed. Remember the so-called government shutdown that Boehner bailed out on during which the entire Vichy wing of the GOPe jumped all over Ted Cruz? Yeah, that’s what happened.

The NCP (Neville Chamberlain Party) is only interested in one thing: keeping what power they have. Doing the right thing (what Palin is advocating) will NEVER NEVER NEVER even appear on their list.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Noah is about as conservative as Libsfree, perhaps not even as conservative as the Marxist Pervfessor. Impeachment is the constitutional remedy for a out of control President. Those claiming to be GOPe or Conservatives who argue for anything other than impeachment are admitting that in their opinion Obama has not done anything other than politics as usual, and they are a-ok with what he is doing. They just wish they were the ones in power doing what Obama is doing. It really is that simple.

oscarwilde on July 10, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Get a special prosecutor, put some crimes on the table. Follow the process, if you are serious. Expecting a president to be impeached just becasue of some arm wavers on the internet isn’t realistic at all.

Moesart on July 10, 2014 at 1:48 PM

And how do you “get” a special prosecutor? Oh, I know, you “get” him/her at the “getting” place, right? Honestly, did you even TAKE Civics in school?

It’s called the Department of Justice, and do you know who runs that? (Hint: His name rhymes with Ferrick Bolder)

Try learning something before saying stupid things.

And again, citing the Constitution is not equatable with Alex Jones. Please stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:51 PM

The best thing I read about this was earlier this week when someone (Jim Geraghty, perhaps) wrote that Democrats win when Barack Obama is on the ballot; they lose when he isn’t. He won’t be on the ballot in November unless he can convince his supporters that a possible impeachment is on the line.

Nancy Pelosi made the same calculation in 2006 when John Conyers started making noises about impeachment hearings. The last thing she wanted was dispirited Republicans turning out in droves as they did in 2004 to support Bush.

rockmom on July 10, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Palin hurt herself.

Everyone will distance themselves from her now.

Every candidate will have to say they are not for impeachment.

Palin just lost her king-maker role with this decision.

She could back-pedal to save herself. I hope she does.

faraway on July 10, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Noah Rothman = a d-cRAT sympathizer masquerading as a conservative.

MicahStone on July 10, 2014 at 1:53 PM

And how do you “get” a special prosecutor?

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:51 PM

I was thinking the same thing. Now I’m waiting for a response..:)

idesign on July 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM

We are better off with the special prosecutor, House hearings, mocking him, route.

faraway on July 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM

No. You must be younger than 30. I’ve seen this hopeful optimism before. It just doesn’t happen. There is no reversing this trend as long as the GOP is the ‘other half’ of the government. They are always going to capitulate. They can’t even defund Obama because they are too scared of a budget battle/government shutdown.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Lol, 30 year retired Vet. I am not talking politicians, I am talking voters.

Sven on July 10, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Perfect read

Schadenfreude on July 10, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Palin hurt herself.

Everyone will distance themselves from her now.

Every candidate will have to say they are not for impeachment.

Palin just lost her king-maker role with this decision.

She could back-pedal to save herself. I hope she does.

faraway on July 10, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Your avowed and obvious Palin-hate is only superseded by your willingness to repeat the same post over and over.

One trick pony, begone.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Obama richly deserves impeachment by historical standards. He’s clearly more lawless than either Andrew Jackson (who was impeached) and Richard Nixon (who was not but came within a hair’s breadth before resigning). But there is no way in HE!! the US House of Representatives will ever impeach the first black President of the United States. And not even a Republican Senate would dare remove him. Let’s just admit that the race card trumps the constitution on many, many occasions.

Esaus Message on July 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Yeah, let’s sue him……?

d1carter on July 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Palin hurt herself.

Everyone will distance themselves from her now.

Every candidate will have to say they are not for impeachment.

Palin just lost her king-maker role with this decision.

She could back-pedal to save herself. I hope she does.

faraway on July 10, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Palin has no political career at this point anyway. The people who hate her will continue to hate her. The only way she could hurt her credibility and influence is to start in with the political double-speak. Or as you call it, backpedalling.

Fenris on July 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Palin knew this going in.

That’s why she did it. She wants to show Movement People that no matter how many crimes Obama can commit against the Founding Document, the GOP and the Establishment will stand with Obama and the Democrats, and attack Conservatives.

The Republican Party is part of the Problem. They are statist Looters who’s first Mission in Life is to keep the Feed Trough open so that the Looting May Continue.

The Republican Party hasn’t been part of the Solution since Reagan went home to California.

This is what Palin is showing the Country by the spineless reaction of every elected Republican out there. Even Cruz temporized.

She did this on purpose. She knew this would happen.

victor82 on July 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Lol, 30 year retired Vet. I am not talking politicians, I am talking voters.

Sven on July 10, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Okay, new to politics then?

Voting doesn’t change anything. Name the last time voters got to actually see laws come down off the books. Name the last time the GOP actually CUT (CUT!) the budget.

In your mind, politics is a pendulum that swings both directions.

That is not reality.

In reality, it is a RATCHETING NOOSE.

There is no ‘undoing the damage.’ It stays into perpetuity and the FedGov grinds on.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Palin just lost her king-maker role with this decision.

She could back-pedal to save herself. I hope she does.

faraway on July 10, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Hey Sparky, I’ve heard the same sort of crap for the last 6 years now, she done, she’s over. If you know anything about Palin, you know she doesn’t back down like the other squishes..

idesign on July 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM

I posted this on the headline thread, earlier.

“Let’s say you impeach him now. The Senate (as constituted now) will not convict and remove him from office. What happens then? Do you think he changes his behavior one bit? He won’t. Instead he’ll play the martyr card, and use the impeachment as a political club on the Republicans. As such, is impeachment worth it if you can’t remove him from office?”

Is it? If so, why?

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on July 10, 2014 at 1:58 PM

In a perfect world, Barack Obama’s abuse of the powers of the Presidency, and his neglect of other duties of the Presidency (protecting our borders and our diplomats in Benghazi, foreign policy gaffes and downright betrayals such as the Bergdahl trade) should justify his impeachment.

In the real world, a Senate with 55 Democrats would never remove him from office this year, so impeachment would be a fruitless exercise. A better approach is to keep bringing Administration officials before House committees to document their lawlessness, and ask voters to give Republicans control of the Senate so that Congress as a whole could pass laws that reverse Obama’s damage. While Obama could veto these bills, by 2015 this would show that Obama is alone against the will of the American people, and lead the public to vote for a Republican President in 2016.

Republican control of the Senate would also mean that Obama could not have radical judges confirmed to Federal courts and the Supreme Court, and would have trouble confirming leftists to Cabinet posts. Although a Republican Congress may not impeach and remove Obama from office, they may be able to impeach some of his Cabinet officers, in particular Eric Holder.

Steve Z on July 10, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Anybody got any ideas on what the end result will be from Boehner’s lawsuit..?

d1carter on July 10, 2014 at 1:59 PM

victor82 on July 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Good take. She is the one who’s nibbled at the edges of splitting the party in the past, so I wouldn’t doubt that your assumption is correct.

And many conservatives would follow her.

She is a leader, whether you like her or not, whether you agree with her positions or not. She says something and the world stops and listens.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Okay, new to politics then?

Voting doesn’t change anything. Name the last time voters got to actually see laws come down off the books. Name the last time the GOP actually CUT (CUT!) the budget.

In your mind, politics is a pendulum that swings both directions.

That is not reality.

In reality, it is a RATCHETING NOOSE.

There is no ‘undoing the damage.’ It stays into perpetuity and the FedGov grinds on.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Would things be different, if Romney was elected by voters instead of O’Barry?

Sven on July 10, 2014 at 2:01 PM

He’s clearly more lawless than either Andrew Jackson (who was impeached) and Richard Nixon (who was not but came within a hair’s breadth before resigning).

Esaus Message on July 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Andrew Jackson got impeached? When did that happen?

Captain Kirock on July 10, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Your avowed and obvious Palin-hate

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Another clueless moron. Most call me a palinista. Too funny.

faraway on July 10, 2014 at 2:01 PM

The problem with Palin’s impeachment recommendation is not process but politics.

This is the excuse for just about every possible tactic proposed the past few years that doesn’t involve uselessly weak gestures, capitulation, or just skipping the matter entirely.

It’s never a good time for putting Democrats on their heels. Never. Oh, but how about after the midterms? Nope. Because then the excuse will be 2016.

Dongemaharu on July 10, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Impeachment is the dumbest thing Republicans can do at this point. First of all, the Democrat-controlled Senate will never convict him. Second, Biden is no improvement.

Why hand the ‘rats the midterm issue they need (Hobby Lobby ain’t it) to drum up their base in November?

Ted the Average on July 10, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Anybody got any ideas on what the end result will be from Boehner’s lawsuit..?

d1carter on July 10, 2014 at 1:59 PM

It won’t really matter because enforcing the end result belongs to Obama. I don’t seem him coming down on himself.

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Obviously we are getting to the point where we need to let it burn. The ISIS of the world will be glad to light it off for us. Establishment GOP are already plotting on how to get the Sharia vote in 2024! Morons!!

Deano1952 on July 10, 2014 at 2:02 PM

He’s clearly more lawless than either Andrew Jackson (who was impeached) and Richard Nixon (who was not but came within a hair’s breadth before resigning).

Esaus Message on July 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Andrew Jackson got impeached? When did that happen?

Captain Kirock on July 10, 2014 at 2:01 PM

I think he meant Andrew Johnson.

Ted the Average on July 10, 2014 at 2:03 PM

The Republican members in Congress needs to lay out the case for impeaching Barack before they go down the road. One good way is by calling Barack, Barack Nixon.
Right now for most people they do not associate any corruption that is happening in the Executive wing with Barack.
Republicans needs to lay out the case, then impeachment can happen.

BroncosRock on July 10, 2014 at 2:03 PM

…Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) wrote in a fundraising email. “Usually, I’d completely ignore this, but she’s not alone. Next week, Speaker Boehner will launch…

Still must pain her tewibbly to write that.

Marcola on July 10, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Whatever.

I would rather stand with BRAVE American patriots like Sarah Palin and Mark Levin, rather than with those who don’t care about the future of America.

Doing the RIGHT thing is never long – especially when the future of our nation hangs in the balance.

Pork-Chop on July 10, 2014 at 2:05 PM

If you know anything about Palin, you know she doesn’t back down like the other squishes..

idesign on July 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Of course.

Just think for a minute, OK.

One thing you don’t want to do is split your support. She just did this. We will now have pro/anti impeach people in the Tea Party.

Every House/Senate candidate will be forced to declare if they are pro/anti. No serious candidate is going to admit they are pro-impeach.

I think Palin has made a serious mistake. I wish she hadn’t done it.

faraway on July 10, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Impeachment is the dumbest thing Republicans can do at this point. First of all, the Democrat-controlled Senate will never convict him. Second, Biden is no improvement.

Why hand the ‘rats the midterm issue they need (Hobby Lobby ain’t it) to drum up their base in November?

Ted the Average on July 10, 2014 at 2:02 PM

This is the other side of the coin. Impeachment is both a legal tool and a political one. I understand wanting to do what is seen as the “right thing to do” but there are long-term consequences in the political realm as well. Wishing them away won’t happen. Perhaps impeachment would be all in the timing. Ahead of the coming election doesn’t seem to be the best time.

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 2:06 PM

(fix)

Whatever.

I would rather stand with BRAVE American patriots like Sarah Palin and Mark Levin, rather than with those who don’t care about the future of America.

Doing the RIGHT thing is never long WRONG – especially when the future of our nation hangs in the balance.

Pork-Chop on July 10, 2014 at 2:06 PM

I posted this on the headline thread, earlier.

“Let’s say you impeach him now. The Senate (as constituted now) will not convict and remove him from office. What happens then? Do you think he changes his behavior one bit? He won’t. Instead he’ll play the martyr card, and use the impeachment as a political club on the Republicans. As such, is impeachment worth it if you can’t remove him from office?”

Is it? If so, why?

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on July 10, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Are you saying that the only consideration the GOP should give a course of action is the political gain? If so, that makes them nothing but hacks, do you realize that?

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 2:07 PM

The GOP’s nominee for Senate in Iowa, Joni Ernst, backtracked after endorsing impeachment to claiming that she has seen no “evidence that the President should be impeached.”

See – the Stupid Party does too embrace diversity – it has a blind Senate candidate!

corona79 on July 10, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Establishment GOP are already plotting on how to get the Sharia vote in 2024! Morons!!
Deano1952 on July 10, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Yep… it’s as if being the last captain of the Titanic was a worthwhile goal. “OH YEAH BABY, WON’T BE ANOTHER AFTER ME! WOO-HOO! blub blub blub…”

Marcola on July 10, 2014 at 2:07 PM

I think Palin has made a serious mistake. I wish she hadn’t done it.

faraway on July 10, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Your ‘concern’ is noted.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Good take. She is the one who’s nibbled at the edges of splitting the party in the past, so I wouldn’t doubt that your assumption is correct.

And many conservatives would follow her.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 1:59 PM

I’ve been waiting for this for some time now.

otlset on July 10, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Are you saying that the only consideration the GOP should give a course of action is the political gain? If so, that makes them nothing but hacks, do you realize that?

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 2:07 PM

If he isn’t removed from office (and that’s a certainty), what is the gain?

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Another clueless moron. Most call me a palinista. Too funny.

faraway on July 10, 2014 at 2:01 PM

What’s funny is that you call her irrelevant and then at the same time argue that she is making a serious mistake.

Who is the mistake hurting? Her? Not if she is irrelevant. The party? No, because she is irrelevant and clearly they are not listening to her anyway.

Sorry, MORON, ya can’t have it both ways.

And you’re NO Palinista. And I’m actually laughing out loud at that silly assertion of yours.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Are you saying that the only consideration the GOP should give a course of action is the political gain? If so, that makes them nothing but hacks, do you realize that?

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 2:07 PM

You are doubling down today.

If you don’t have ‘political gain’, that means Obama and the Left stay in power.

There are hundreds of ways to fight the Left that don’t involve delusional mass-suicide. And I mean really fight, not RINO-fight. :)

faraway on July 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Ahead of the coming election doesn’t seem to be the best time.

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Agreed

Athos on July 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Are you saying that the only consideration the GOP should give a course of action is the political gain? If so, that makes them nothing but hacks, do you realize that?

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 2:07 PM

How about answering my question, fossten? Is it worth impeaching Obama if it doesn’t ultimately lead to anything changing? If he is not convicted and removed from office, what happens then?

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on July 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM

As a Congressman, Dennis Kucinich called for President Bush’s impeachment. Did anyone Democrat or journalist consider Kucinich a pariah? He was Hollywood’s favorite Democrat until Obama came along.

cbenoistd on July 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Your ‘concern’ is noted.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 2:08 PM

First you think I’m a Palin hater, now you think I’m a concern troll. I can’t stop laughing.

And you’re NO Palinista. And I’m actually laughing out loud at that silly assertion of yours.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Oh boy. Where do these new people come from?

faraway on July 10, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Corrected headline:

Conservatives and establishment GOP agrees with liberals and Democrats: Don’t impeach Obama

IndieDogg on July 10, 2014 at 2:14 PM

If he isn’t removed from office (and that’s a certainty), what is the gain?

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 2:09 PM

There are a number of things that successfully impeaching him will accomplish. I can think of a few off the top of my head.

1. Taints his Presidency – only the third Prez in history and the 2nd Dem in a row to be impeached.

2. Listing the TWENTY-FIVE violations will help to educate the American people about what he has done. The media will have no choice but to report it, even if they do so only to mock it. Collateral damage will be that the info gets out there.

3. The GOP will shed the coward image in the eyes of conservatives like me who plan to stay home indefinitely during election periods due to their, up to now, Neville Chamberlain strategy.

4. The GOP will show the Dems that they plan to fight for something instead of going along. This will force the Dems to change their plans which, up until now, certainly assume the cooperation of the GOP in all things. Again, this result has a side effect of impressing its own party.

I could think of a few more. But you get the idea.

fossten on July 10, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Bitter Clinger on July 10, 2014 at 2:06 PM

I agree.

In the end, the question is how the GOP can mitigate the damage the administration can do. Removing this clown and replacing him with Biden is pointless. It’s better to take the Senate and block him for the next two years.

Ted the Average on July 10, 2014 at 2:14 PM

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