Will Utah be ground zero for nationwide gay marriage?

posted at 8:41 pm on July 9, 2014 by Noah Rothman

On Wednesday, the state of Utah appealed a June 25 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling which invalidated that state’s ban on gay marriage to the United States Supreme Court. If the court accepts the case, some legal experts say, it could lead to the legalization of same-sex marriage across all 50 states.

“Last month’s decision by the 10th Circuit was the first time a regional appeals court has made such a ruling in the year since the Supreme Court ordered the federal government to extend benefits to legally married same-sex couples,” a Reuters report read.

“Legal experts say the Supreme Court is likely to accept the case,” Talking Points Memo’s Sahil Kapur reported. “With lawsuits piling up, and gay marriage on an undefeated legal streak since the Court axed the Defense of Marriage Act in 2013, the justices may plausibly hear the case in next term and decide it by June 2015.”

Since the nation’s highest court ruled on U.S. v. Windsor, a number of state-level bans on same-sex marriage have been overturned on constitutional grounds. Some legal scholars predict that, if the Court takes up Utah’s ban, it could go a step further and effectively legalize gay marriage from the bench.

“I also predict that the five justices in the majority in Windsor will be the majority to declare unconstitutional laws that deny marriage equality to gays and lesbians,” Dean of the University of California, Irvine Law School, Erwin Chemerinsky, told Kapur.


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I forgot.

What did the Utah voters ‘say’ about the issue?

bettycooper on July 9, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Ha. That would be comical and fitting.

rogerb on July 9, 2014 at 8:46 PM

So, I’ll be able to marry my brother soon?

/

faraway on July 9, 2014 at 8:46 PM

I forgot.

What did the Utah voters ‘say’ about the issue?

bettycooper on July 9, 2014 at 8:44 PM

“Who cares!” – Your friends on the Left

Charlemagne on July 9, 2014 at 8:47 PM

OT- Apparently obozo needs to find a new favorite baseball team. The White Sox gave out KKK robes to everyone the other night.

Flange on July 9, 2014 at 8:48 PM

5-4 for marriage equality, authored by Justice Kennedy, end of June, 2015. That has been obvious for a long time now.

DisneyFan on July 9, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Let the procreation in Utah begin in a lawful fashion!

Bmore on July 9, 2014 at 8:48 PM

So, I’ll be able to marry my brother soon?

Whoa! That’s disgusting and unnatural. The incest part I mean. I mean, if it were any guy other than your brother, well then…

Charlemagne on July 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM

yay america is gonna be even more free!

brushingmyhair on July 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM

I forgot.

What did the Utah voters ‘say’ about the issue?

bettycooper on July 9, 2014 at 8:44 PM

The unwashed masses should go about their business and shut up. They are too unenlightened and ignorant to have an opinion, and when we, the Chamber of Commerce overlords of the republican party, want them to have one, we will give it to them.

Franklin100 on July 9, 2014 at 8:50 PM

I forgot.
What did the Utah voters ‘say’ about the issue?
bettycooper on July 9, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Exactly.

bluegill on July 9, 2014 at 8:52 PM

5-4 for marriage equality, authored by Justice Kennedy, end of June, 2015. That has been obvious for a long time now.
DisneyFan on July 9, 2014 at 8:48 PM

What did you just say?

bettycooper on July 9, 2014 at 8:54 PM

yay america is gonna be even more free!
 
brushingmyhair on July 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM

 
Shame about the weaponized IRS and mandatory purchasing of corporate goods.

rogerb on July 9, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Utah does not support homosexual marriage of all the states you could try this emotionalist shit at Utah??

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 8:58 PM

America is gonna be even more free! brushingmyhair on July 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Oh, goodie. Another sock re-appears from the dustbin.

Don’t worry,, noah won’t badmouth YOU on twitter.

wolly4321 on July 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Will the ruling then mean that Ruth Vador Ginsborg can marry Rachel Madcow?

vnvet on July 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM

yay america is gonna be even more free!

brushingmyhair on July 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Then before, now, or later?

Bishop on July 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Actually, “Than”.

Me gud spellar.

Bishop on July 9, 2014 at 9:00 PM

If Justice Kennedy wants a lot of civil disorder so be it.

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:01 PM

i wonder if it would even be decided 5-4. surely roberts is savvy enough to buttress his legacy with The Opinion That Extended Marriage Equality To Gay Couples.

there’s no change that the rapidly rising tide of public support for marriage equality will be reversed. it’s one thing to dissent from windsor because jurisdiction — the chief justice notably abstained from fully endorsing scalia’s dissent about the motivations of the majority — whereas any commitment to the lost cause of yahweh-sanctioned marriage long after the ship has sailed can only serve to shame his legacy in the eyes of future americans.

only the rabidly superstitious would adopt a position that future geenrations will consider inexcusable. scalia and thomas are good for informing some of their less rigorous opinions with biblical jurisprudence, and i suspect alito’s cautious dissent from windsor is indicative of a reluctance to read the constitutionality of marriage equality into due process, but it’s difficult to imagine that roberts would not sign on to such a historic majority opinion.

jaxisaneurophysicist on July 9, 2014 at 9:04 PM

yay america is gonna be even more free!

brushingmyhair on July 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Shame about the weaponized IRS and mandatory purchasing of corporate goods.
rogerb on July 9, 2014 at 8:55 PM

You are free to smile through your teeth and accept the new world order with open arms to avoid persecution.

crrr6 on July 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM

We all know what is coming if they take the case.

coolrepublica on July 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Why this article, Noah? Do you have something against Americans of Faith?

kingsjester on July 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM

There is a issue with all these “winning ” streaks the government is by the people for the people not for black robed beaurocrates to moralize from the bench.

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM

So the Mormons should now sue to have multiple wives and count them all as dependents on the tax form.

Ibanez Lotus on July 9, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Why this article, Noah? Do you have something against Americans of Faith?

kingsjester on July 9, 2014 at 9:08 PM

The judges today seem keen on playing god. Of course god will have the final say here.

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Sorry for the double post

kingsjester on July 9, 2014 at 9:09 PM

kingsjester on July 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM
kingsjester on July 9, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Say again?

bettycooper on July 9, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Funny how last time Obama went on record about this with his flip-flop, he became a federalist on the issue. Now that position is a reactionary, unconstitutional one.

When are we going to have a National Discussion on gun owner equality? Why should blue state residents be subject to having an actual constitutional right stripped down to a meaningless state?

crrr6 on July 9, 2014 at 9:11 PM

I did. LOL!

kingsjester on July 9, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Sin has always been a growth industry. Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean we have to participate. We should have the right to follow our own standards of virtue, but evil will never be satisfied with mere legality. It will, like the men of Sodom, want to force itself on everybody. True religion is about preaching, teaching and persuasion, not force, like its enemies keep alleging. But no matter how much they tout freedom, they’re against it. That’s why I oppose radical Islam.

flataffect on July 9, 2014 at 9:12 PM

crrr6 on July 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM Yeah that’s Stalineqsue…we should avoid moral governmentarianism.

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:13 PM

kingsjester on July 9, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Alas. Noah will look down at the comments from his lofty blogger-throne and sniff, “who?”

bettycooper on July 9, 2014 at 9:14 PM

What did you just say?

bettycooper on July 9, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Sorry. What I meant was that specific outcome has been obvious for about a year. After Windsor (decision handed down end of June 2013) it’s clear that there are five votes on the Court for SSM. Combine that with the usual timetable for this kind of suit to get from district court level to the supremes and the fact that Kennedy is the most senior justice in the pro-SSM majority and will almost definitely assign the opinion to himself and you get that outcome and date of decision. (Such a big case will most likely be the last one handed down that term.)

DisneyFan on July 9, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Miss Betty, that’s what I said when Salem hired him.

kingsjester on July 9, 2014 at 9:15 PM

So,…Sodom and Gamorroha in Zion!!

(snark)

ST. GEORGE, Utah — The story of Zion National Park shouldn’t be told without telling the story of Mormon Settlement in Southern Utah, Lyman Hafen, of the Zion National History Association, said Friday afternoon at the Mormon History Association’s annual conference.

Zion National Park was not named as a gathering place, in traditional Mormon terms but was named, “as legend has it,” Hafen explained, by Mormon settler Isaac Behunin, “who, on an evening gazing at the towers of stone on his front yard, was reading in Isaiah, first coined the usage of ‘Zion.’

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705373578/The-Mormon-story-behind-Zion-National-Park.html?pg=all

canopfor on July 9, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Secession.

redware on July 9, 2014 at 9:17 PM

I’ll remind everyone that we live in a wonderful country where the majority cannot legislate away the rights of any minority.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Why this article, Noah? Do you have something against Americans of Faith?

kingsjester on July 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM

i seriously thought you were having a go at the overly sensitive religious types here…you know, the ones with a case of victimitis that would make the most agitates professional agitator on the left feel ashamed of the inadequacy of her “suffering”.

tho i found the putative joke to lack subtlety — surely, i thought, no x tian is quite so self-absorbed as to take an unadorned description of a new story as an attack, but it still made me chuckle seeing as recent events have driven the “oppression” narrative to new heights of ludicrous hand-wringing.

…nope.

turns out, you actually consider this post — a totally neutral citation of a news story offering no opinion other than a prediction of events to come — as a point of offence.

just hearing about homosexuals possibly getting to marry their loved ones sets off your holy-war sirens. that is, it is some sort of assault on your religious sensibilities that others expose you to current events that you would deplore.

i would say “incredible”, but given the propensity of your kind to desperately ignore scientific developments that contradict the more fantastic myths traditionally believed by your religion, i am sad to say that it doesn’t surprise me at all that a refusal to censor any news — by not posting it — that might offend good x tian sensibilities is taken as nothing short of an attack on people of faith.

charming.

jaxisaneurophysicist on July 9, 2014 at 9:20 PM

BMH, CR and jax in the first 30 posts.

As it I needed futher reason to avoid noah threads..

Later. See ya on an AP thread.

wolly4321 on July 9, 2014 at 9:20 PM

I’ll be frank I have great disdain for Kennedy. I will not be moralized to by a man who uses emotionalistic arguments as a excuse for overriding others morals it’s fascistic.

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Well, after all- Utah has experience with true marriage inequality. It has the distinction of having monogamy enforced by the barrel of a gun; Army troops who occupied their cities and threw polygmists in prison merely for being faithful to their religious texts.

Don’t you wonder why they did that? Seen any gheys thrown in prison for daring to “marry” lately- or ever?

Say… didn’t they have that 14th Amendment thingie back then? Why do you guess it didn’t cover homosects in wedding dresses or multiple partners?

(Thankfully, we know which way the citizens of Utah will swing come the Second Episode of In the Course of Human Events.…)

Dolce Far Niente on July 9, 2014 at 9:21 PM

I’ll remind everyone that we live in a wonderful country where the majority cannot legislate away the rights of any minority.
beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM
So the minority can legislate away the rights of the majority…that excuse is lame honestly.

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/us-same-sex-marriage/

Utah same-sex marriage
14d
Utah attorney general to ask US Supreme Court to review appellate court’s gay marriage ruling – @AP
End of alert

Utah same-sex marriage
14d
More: Federal appeals court judges immediately put Utah same-sex marriage ruling on hold so it could be appealed – @AP
Read more on bigstory.ap.org

Utah same-sex marriage
14d
10th Circuit Court rules Utah cannot ban same-sex marriage – @sltrib
End of alert

canopfor on July 9, 2014 at 9:23 PM

brushingmyhair!

Judge_Dredd on July 9, 2014 at 9:23 PM

I forgot.

What did the Utah voters ‘say’ about the issue?

bettycooper on July 9, 2014 at 8:44 PM

voters? they’re not important.

that’s not even a joke. they really aren’t important. voting means nothing if a few judges have more power than the voters have.

Sachiko on July 9, 2014 at 9:23 PM

So the Mormons should now sue to have multiple wives and count them all as dependents on the tax form.

Ibanez Lotus on July 9, 2014 at 9:06 PM

No reason that shouldn’t be on its way to the supreme court soon after SSM is legalized 5-4.

Franklin100 on July 9, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Sure, then they will promptly be evicted from the union when polygamy is legalized.

There is no compromise with homofascists.

nobar on July 9, 2014 at 9:24 PM

I really don’t care anymore who marries who or what. Go marry an Oak tree for all I care.

What I want to see is the marriage deduction removed for all marriages from the tax code period. Leave the deductions for having kids, but no more penalizing single people because they won’t go marry that friggin oak tree.

Diluculo on July 9, 2014 at 9:26 PM

I’ll remind everyone that we used to live in a wonderful country where the majority elites in Washington could not legislate dictate away the rights of any minority.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM

FIFA

bettycooper on July 9, 2014 at 9:26 PM

I’ll be frank
sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Every time I try to be frank the other commenters nix the idea.

Judge_Dredd on July 9, 2014 at 9:26 PM

jaxisaneurophysicist on July 9, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Roberts voted to uphold DOMA. It’s possible that he will view a state ban on SSM differently, but it seems unlikely.

DisneyFan on July 9, 2014 at 9:26 PM

jaxisaneurophysicist on July 9, 2014 at 9:04 PM

The same John Roberts who made the mandate a tax?

Legacy be damned, he isn’t going to care.

nobar on July 9, 2014 at 9:29 PM

jaxisaneurophysicist on July 9, 2014 at 9:20 PM

i may be wrong but i thought that the main reason kj made that comment against noah was that noah’s other posts on this site have not been that great, in the opinions of many on this site. i and others aren’t sure how conservative noah really is. so it’s easy to be suspicious of him. i think kj’s opinion of noah is based on those other posts and not just this one.

and if you want to talk about “victimitis” then talk about all the people in the lgbt movement who can’t respond to any disagreement with their beliefs, even polite disagreement, without getting super angry and calling it “hateful homophobic bigotry.” a lot of people in that movement are like that.

Sachiko on July 9, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Jaxi, “my kind”, meaning American Christians, make up 76% of the population. Manufactured push polls aside, and the opinions of clueless, snot – nosed, Liberal 20-somethings, like yourself notwithstanding, the majority of Americans voted against homosexual marriage. That is why Liberal judges are having to overturn their votes. Get over yourself, Skippy.

kingsjester on July 9, 2014 at 9:30 PM

So the minority can legislate away the rights of the majority…that excuse is lame honestly.

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM

What rights are people legislating away from you?

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:30 PM

I’ll be frank
sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:20 PM
Every time I try to be frank the other commenters nix the idea.
Judge_Dredd on July 9, 2014 at 9:26 PM
Lol well the facistic homosexual crowd hates bluntness and to be blunt they are destroying themselves and people for ” equality” are merely speeding up their demise into extinction.

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:31 PM

I really don’t care anymore who marries who or what. Go marry an Oak tree for all I care.

What I want to see is the marriage deduction removed for all marriages from the tax code period. Leave the deductions for having kids, but no more penalizing single people because they won’t go marry that friggin oak tree.

Diluculo on July 9, 2014 at 9:26 PM

sounds good to me, i like this idea. i’m single, so i’m biased lol

Sachiko on July 9, 2014 at 9:32 PM

charming.

jaxisaneurophysicist on July 9, 2014 at 9:20 PM

What scientific developments are you referring to?

bettycooper on July 9, 2014 at 9:33 PM

This battle has been lost. It is only a matter of time before same sex marriage is legal in 50 states.

joecollins on July 9, 2014 at 9:33 PM

See, here’s the deal: Why was polygamy soooo dangerous to the union that it justified stripping away every single right from Mormons aside from being rounded up and executed (and that came pretty close), yet the same Constitution that demanded that also demands we accept, promote, and (eventually) jail anyone who dares dissent from the “Anal sex is the greatest form of human existence. Period!” of the leftists here.

Alchemist has tied himself into knots trying to explain why Mormons can lose the right to vote for their attempts to change one man, one woman, but gays must be allowed to change it!

And as for the “Marriage equality!!” people here, perhaps this would be better reframed as a battle between religious people being left alone and state enforced morality dictating doctrine and jailing Christians, since that is really what this battle is ultimately leading towards.

Or do you idiots who support this honestly think that the gay lobby is going to be satisfied with legalized gay marriage? If so, I can sell you the Golden Gate Bridge, cheap!

Vanceone on July 9, 2014 at 9:33 PM

So the minority can legislate away the rights of the majority…that excuse is lame honestly.
sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM
What rights are people legislating away from you?
beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:30 PM
These days it seems the right to most everything you can’t choose healthcare anymore, now I have black robed moralists legalizing something that has zero value aside from getting divorce lawyers paid…

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:34 PM

This is just stupid. Constitutionally speaking, the courts have no business ruling on gay “marriage” (and never have, but that hasn’t stopped the court in the past).

Othniel on July 9, 2014 at 9:34 PM

So the minority can legislate away the rights of the majority…that excuse is lame honestly.
sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM
What rights are people legislating away from you?
beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:30 PM
These days it seems the right to most everything you can’t choose healthcare anymore, now I have black robed moralists legalizing something that has zero value aside from getting divorce lawyers paid…

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Wat? All they would be saying is that the govornment should recognize gay marriage the same way it recognizes straight marriage. I asked what rights were being legislated away from you? You have the right to choose any healthcare option you want, whether it is offered by your employer, an insurance company, or the government.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:37 PM

We all know what is coming if they take the case.

coolrepublica on July 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM

.
Do you ?
.
The 10:37 PM comment is just the beginning … it gets worse on down.

listens2glenn on July 9, 2014 at 9:37 PM

So the minority can legislate away the rights of the majority…that excuse is lame honestly.

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM

you guys should be happy cause now you have more freedom and rights cause you can get gay married too if you want. it’s a cool bonus for you i think.

brushingmyhair on July 9, 2014 at 9:39 PM

The government has no place in marriage other then taxes and this is all about money and control not equality.

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Dictate by appointees in direct contravention of the will of the people is not going to end well.

Imposition is not acceptance.

formwiz on July 9, 2014 at 9:39 PM

I’ll remind everyone that we live in a wonderful country where the majority cannot legislate away the rights of any minority.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM

beverlyfreaks:

And the minority trumps the majority, so talk about an *ss backawkward
UpSide Down World!!!

canopfor on July 9, 2014 at 9:41 PM

So the minority can legislate away the rights of the majority…that excuse is lame honestly.
sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:22 PM
you guys should be happy cause now you have more freedom and rights cause you can get gay married too if you want. it’s a cool bonus for you i think.
brushingmyhair on July 9, 2014 at 9:39 PM
Freedom is not being moralized from the morally decayed…

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:41 PM

What rights are people legislating away from you?
beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Free association, via non-discrimination laws.
Free speech, via hate-crime laws.
Free exercise, via public square laws.

Need I go on?

nobar on July 9, 2014 at 9:42 PM

I’ll remind everyone that we live in a wonderful country where the majority cannot legislate away the rights of any minority.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM

beverlyfreaks:

And the minority trumps the majority, so talk about an *ss backawkward
UpSide Down World!!!

canopfor on July 9, 2014 at 9:41 PM

The majority decides how they want to be governed. They do not have the right to legislate away rights. You have seen many times cities, (DC, Chicago, etc) where the majority has attempted to legislate away the right to bear arms. The courts struck this down. This is a basic cognitive dissonance that socons seem to have.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:44 PM

I liked rationality . . .

I’ll adapt.

Axe on July 9, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Alchemist has tied himself into knots trying to explain why Mormons can lose the right to vote for their attempts to change one man, one woman, but gays must be allowed to change it!

Vanceone on July 9, 2014 at 9:33 PM

A few weeks ago, I more or less destroyed Alchemist’s arguements. He/she/it didn’t even respond to me with anything meaningful.

UnstChem on July 9, 2014 at 9:47 PM

How can not legislate away what leads to destruction?? Which homosexuality does though AP deny’s it through emotionalistic moral reletivism…

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Beverlyfreaks, please cite the Constitutional Right which allows homosexuals to change the definition of the word “marriage”.

kingsjester on July 9, 2014 at 9:47 PM

What rights are people legislating away from you?
beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Free association, via non-discrimination laws.
Free speech, via hate-crime laws.
Free exercise, via public square laws.

Need I go on?

nobar on July 9, 2014 at 9:42 PM

You have the right to associate with whomever you please. You have the right to say whatever you please as long as it is not threatening or terroristic. I don’t know what you are getting at about free exercise. Of religion? You can practice whatever religion you want.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:47 PM

You want to know what rights the gays are taking away, Beverlyfreaks?

1) The right to speak out. If you do anything but agree with everything the gays say, you are a homophobic bigot who deserves to be shut up by governmental force.

2) The right to earn a living. Ask Brandon Eich. Ask Phil Robertson. Ask any baker, photographer, etc if they dare to disagree with the gay agenda. The gays will cause the state to come down in full force, bankrupting you. Or your company will fire you or go out of business.

3) Not yet here, but coming: The right to not have your church forced, at governmental gunpoint, to disobey core teachings. Ask the Church of England, or the Church of Denmark about whether they have the right to practice their religion freely, without gays calling religious ceremonial shots.

4) The right to counsel parishioners. In New Jersey, California, and other states, it is now illegal to try and help children with same sex attractions do anything; if you even hint that they should try to change, you can be fined and other things.

5) The right to be left alone. Ask any church in Massachusetts whether they have any recourse against gay harassment. The cops side with the gays, not with you. Trespass, disturbing your meetings, general harassment–all something gays get to do with impunity. Somehow, though, if you respond the cops don’t leave you alone…..

6) The right to live your religion outside of the chapel: The core argument gays are using is that being Christian and living your beliefs does not extend to your business affairs–there, you must condone immorality. By virtue of the fact that you are engaged in a business pursuit (whether your own business or working for someone else), the argument goes, you give up the right to live according to your conscience. Instead, you must tolerate, accept, celebrate, and in general kowtow to the gay elitists. If you don’t, you lose the opportunity to have an economic life. Ergo, you are removed from participating in society.
7) As a corollary, gays are trying to remove the ability of religion in general from speaking out on anything moral, saying churches should not be allowed to speak up at all. That morality doesn’t matter; and churches, or their ministers or parishioners, do not have the right to speak up, and what they say is automatically bigotry. And, of course, bigotry is not protected speech and can be punished. This is a fundamental attack on pretty much the entirety of the 1st Amendment.

So yes, gay marriage DOES impact those of us who are happily married to a member of the opposite sex. It impacts our jobs, our religious liberty, our freedom of speech–all of which are under assault by the fascist gays.

Vanceone on July 9, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Those fifty stars are starting to look more and more like one big star with each passing day.

flyovermark on July 9, 2014 at 9:49 PM

How can not legislate away what leads to destruction?? Which homosexuality does though AP deny’s it through emotionalistic moral reletivism…

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:47 PM

English, please. Anyways, gay marriage is not destructive.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:49 PM

yay america is gonna be even more free!

brushingmyhair on July 9, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Explain to me the rationale behind that sentiment… that requiring government approval for relationships makes one more free.

Skywise on July 9, 2014 at 9:50 PM

The majority decides how they want to be governed. They do not have the right to legislate away rights. You have seen many times cities, (DC, Chicago, etc) where the majority has attempted to legislate away the right to bear arms. The courts struck this down. This is a basic cognitive dissonance that socons seem to have.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:44 PM

So in your mind, the fact that these unconstitutional laws were ultimately struck down should motivate everyone who had their rights stripped for decades feel warm and fuzzy and want to hold hands with the despicable progressives who unconstitutionally stripped them of their God-given rights.

UnstChem on July 9, 2014 at 9:50 PM

sorrowen on July 9, 2014 at 9:34 PM

.
What? All they would be saying is that the government should recognize gay marriage the same way it recognizes straight marriage. I asked what rights were being legislated taken by Judicial edict away from you?

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:37 PM

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The right to NOT have my government enforce societal recognition of homosexuality as “normal”.

listens2glenn on July 9, 2014 at 9:51 PM

ITS NOT GAY MARRIAGE.

ITS SAME SEX MARRIAGE.

GAYS CAN ALREADY GET MARRIED.

A GAY MAN CAN MARRY A GAY WOMAN.

Parmenides on July 9, 2014 at 9:52 PM

The right to NOT have my government enforce societal recognition of homosexuality as “normal”.

listens2glenn on July 9, 2014 at 9:51 PM

Ha, ok, nice argument. Why don’t you move to Uganda?

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:53 PM

You have the right to associate with whomever you please. You have the right to say whatever you please as long as it is not threatening or terroristic. I don’t know what you are getting at about free exercise. Of religion? You can practice whatever religion you want.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Not if you donated money to proposition 8… then you’re not allowed to associate with certain people.

Have the right to say whatever you want? Why don’t you ask Opie about that? Or the head of Chic-fil-a. Or anybody trying get out the information about what’s going on in the government concentration camps..

Free exercise? Golly… only if I kowtow to the gay lobby otherwise I can’t exercise my religion on public property because that’s only allowed for use by… y’know… the public… except some of the public is more equal than others.

Skywise on July 9, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Ha, ok, nice argument. Why don’t you move to Uganda?

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Ha, nice rebuttal, why don’t you move to the United Kingdom.

Then see how long you keep your, so-called, enlightened ideals.

Skywise on July 9, 2014 at 9:54 PM

You want to know what rights the gays are taking away, Beverlyfreaks?

So yes, gay marriage DOES impact those of us who are happily married to a member of the opposite sex. It impacts our jobs, our religious liberty, our freedom of speech–all of which are under assault by the fascist gays.

Vanceone on July 9, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Just to second Vanceone,

Beverlyfreaks, go pound sand! Your statement that gay marriage harms nobody is so up where the sun doesn’t shine, you need a glass stomach to see reality.

UnstChem on July 9, 2014 at 9:55 PM

English, please. Anyways, gay marriage is not destructive.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Yes. Yes it is.

Skywise on July 9, 2014 at 9:56 PM

The right to NOT have my government enforce societal recognition of homosexuality as “normal”.

listens2glenn on July 9, 2014 at 9:51 PM

its not your government silly pants. its all of ours government including the gays! dont be a stingy.

brushingmyhair on July 9, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Alchemist has tied himself into knots trying to explain why Mormons can lose the right to vote for their attempts to change one man, one woman, but gays must be allowed to change it!

Vanceone on July 9, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Gay marriage explained.

Axe on July 9, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Not if you donated money to proposition 8… then you’re not allowed to associate with certain people.

Have the right to say whatever you want? Why don’t you ask Opie about that? Or the head of Chic-fil-a. Or anybody trying get out the information about what’s going on in the government concentration camps..

Free exercise? Golly… only if I kowtow to the gay lobby otherwise I can’t exercise my religion on public property because that’s only allowed for use by… y’know… the public… except some of the public is more equal than others.

Skywise on July 9, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Who don’t you have the right to associate with? You can say whatever you want, just as other people can boycott, or shame people for what they say. Nobody has had their free speech infringed upon.

Concentration camps? Take off the tin foil hat buddy.

You can practice whatever religion you want. You don’t have to kowtow to anyone.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Utah ground-zero for the buttsex movement! Oy.

slickwillie2001 on July 9, 2014 at 9:57 PM

Explain to me the rationale behind that sentiment… that requiring government approval for relationships makes one more free.

Skywise on July 9, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Silly!

Regierung macht frei!

Duh

HumpBot Salvation on July 9, 2014 at 9:59 PM

DisneyFan on July 9, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Marriage is one man+ one woman. Period.
ANYTHING else is immoral and deviant.
No-I’m not Christian.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 9, 2014 at 9:59 PM

only the rabidly superstitious would adopt a position that future geenrations will consider inexcusable.

Superstition? Is that like thinking you can tell the future?

Axeman on July 9, 2014 at 10:00 PM

We all know what is coming if they take the case.

foolrepublica on July 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Shut up and eat your chicken.

slickwillie2001 on July 9, 2014 at 10:00 PM

The right to NOT have my government enforce societal recognition of homosexuality as “normal”.

listens2glenn on July 9, 2014 at 9:51 PM

What he said.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 9, 2014 at 10:00 PM

Who don’t you have the right to associate with? You can say whatever you want, just as other people can boycott, or shame people for what they say. Nobody has had their free speech infringed upon.

And have people blackballed? Isn’t that the majority trampling on the rights of the minority… oh wait… you suddenly think that’s A-OK because you support it!

Concentration camps? Take off the tin foil hat buddy.

Where do you think 500,000 immigrants are being housed at? Happy camps?

You can practice whatever religion you want. You don’t have to kowtow to anyone.

beverlyfreaks on July 9, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Really? Tell that to churches being denied access to public lands for ceremonies because they won’t kowtow to the latest politically correct thought du jour.

Skywise on July 9, 2014 at 10:00 PM

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