UN to U.S.: Why not treat these illegals crossing your border as “refugees”?

posted at 11:21 am on July 8, 2014 by Allahpundit

The bad news for illegals: Even if you qualify as a “refugee,” winning an asylum case in federal court is difficult under current law. The good news: The guy in charge right now isn’t a stickler about legal procedure. And besides, the “refugee” label is more of a political weapon under these circumstances than a legal one. It’s one thing to turn a blind eye to illegal immigrants streaming across the border, but who could be so hard-hearted as to deport a “refugee”?

Don’t fret much about the label, though. Most of these kids will never report to their immigration hearing once they’re released by the Border Patrol, so whatever you call them, they’re here to stay.

United Nations officials are pushing for many of the Central Americans fleeing to the U.S. to be treated as refugees displaced by armed conflict, a designation meant to increase pressure on the United States to accept tens of thousands of people currently ineligible for asylum.

Officials with the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees say they hope to see a regional agreement on that status Thursday when migration and interior department representatives from the U.S., Mexico, and Central America meet in Nicaragua. The group will discuss updating a 30-year-old declaration regarding the obligations nations have to aid refugees…

Most of the people widely considered to be refugees by the international community are fleeing more traditional political or ethnic conflicts like those in Syria or the Sudan. Central Americans would be among the first modern migrants considered refugees because they are fleeing violence and extortion at the hands of criminal gangs.

A special new category of refugee, now conveniently available for amnesty shills in the United States to argue that illegal immigration should continue unimpeded for humanitarian reasons. Assuming that a regional agreement is reached, it would have no legal weight in the U.S. — unless of course His Majesty the King declareth that it shall. Maybe that’s O’s next move if, after kinda sorta trying to slow the flow at the border, he decides there’s not much he can do after all and had better rebrand what’s happening to contain the political damage. With 300,000 more “refugees” on the way, I wonder how long he’ll give it before pivoting.

Speaking of which, Obama was planning to ask Congress for $2 billion in added border resources plus a change to federal law so that children could be deported more expeditiously. Currently, kids caught coming across the border get to stay put in the U.S. while they await an immigration hearing; because there have been so many coming recently, the White House wanted to truncate the process so that they could be sent home right away. Obama’s pro-amnesty base was unhappy about that, though, so it’s time for a new pivot:

President Barack Obama is holding off for now on seeking new legal authority to send unaccompanied migrant kids back home faster from the Southern border, following criticism that the administration’s planned changes were too harsh…

The new approach comes after the White House told Congress last week that it would seek “additional authority” for the Homeland Security secretary to quickly return the minors back home. Immigration advocates understood this to mean that the children, who currently have the right to a hearing before an immigration judge, would lose that right and instead would have to make it through an initial screening with a Border Patrol agent.

The immigrant advocacy community responded angrily, with more than 200 groups signing onto a letter last week calling on Obama to reconsider the changes.

The Orwellian irony there is that amnesty fans are pounding the table about due process for minors caught entering the U.S. illegally when, in many cases, those same minors won’t end up availing themselves of the process that’s due. The point isn’t to make sure they get a hearing before being deported, it’s to create a pretext that allows them to remain in the U.S. for the time being so that they can quietly disappear into the population while supposedly waiting for their hearing. “Due process” is, in other words, being used as a tool to abet the breakdown in process, facilitating illegal immigration. And the chief executive is happy to let that go on, at least for now. Instead of pursuing summary deportation, he’s going to ask Congress for $3.8 billion in extra resources, nearly double his initial amount, to “process” all the new cases. Even though, as we all understand, many of them will end up going unprocessed, by design.

Makes me wonder, though: Does the fact that he’s making a concession to amnesty advocates now mean that he’s planning to go slow on that mass amnesty for illegals who are already here that he reportedly promised to them last week? He doesn’t want to seem too eager about all of this with the midterms four months away; that’s why he’s asking for extra enforcement resources, to show low-information voters that he cares about border security at a moment when they’re nervous about a new wave of illegal crossings. If he suddenly turns around and pulls a double whammy, resisting summary deportation for kids and issuing an executive order that amnestizes five million adults, he’ll demolish that perception. Presumably he’s planning to placate immigration groups now by going easy on young illegals while holding off on the big amnesty until next year, when there’s less to lose politically and more to gain for 2016.


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Terry must have gone,,, my questions were too tuff???

garydt on July 8, 2014 at 1:32 PM

I’ll be posting this when necessary.
 
libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 1:24 PM

 
Good idea. I’m going to start linking to random facebook pages.

rogerb on July 8, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Hopefully Ed has emailed her requesting, suggesting she de-link all that personal info she has always had linked to her nom.

Bmore on July 8, 2014 at 1:32 PM

The crapweasels expose themselves, then they go whining to Ed.

It’s been years that we’ve known all about terry.

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 1:34 PM

What did the UN do–g4et tired of ramrodding that climate change hoax on us and switch it destroying our borders and sovereignty the easy Obamaway?

Don L on July 8, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Refugees from what, from being born in a mostly corrupt and poor country? First the health treatments were brought to them to ease their suffering. We’ve seen all the commercials. Then they breed like flies. It’s no wonder over population has taken over.

jake49 on July 8, 2014 at 1:34 PM

rogerb, you’re one of the smartest chaps around. Wanted to tell you this for a long time. Might as well, before it’s too late my friend.

Thank you for you yeoman work/effort.

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 1:35 PM

your yeoman’s work/effort. Thank you, indeed.

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 1:36 PM

However, we could clear out the UN compound in NYC and house a bunch of them there. Think the UN will go for that?

ConstantineXI on July 8, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Been there and the security for the UN Manhattan borders is heavy stuff. Wish we could get it on our borders

Don L on July 8, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Shucks.

rogerb on July 8, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Are you still orgasming, terryann? I hope your conscience eats you alive.

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 1:39 PM

BoxHead1 on July 8, 2014 at 12:21 PM

BoxHead1: Great Intell Grabby,….fired off to Tips,..your H/T:)

canopfor on July 8, 2014 at 12:43 PM

AP’s working on the post now, should be up at 2.

Ed Morrissey on July 8, 2014 at 1:14 PM

ED Morrissey: Excellent ED:)

canopfor on July 8, 2014 at 1:39 PM

The leftist thugs are always the most illiberal of all the people around.

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 1:40 PM

I notice that Ed banned someone…that wasn’t me.
I’m actually kind of surprised-being that I’ve kind of been expecting it today.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 8, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Ohhhhh….I see, the myth of American exceptionalism has brought hundreds of thousands to our borders to do what, enjoy the misery of those already here?

Again. Why is it *impossible* for you to recognize these people’s humanity? The reason the author made a joke about the murder rate in Chicago wasn’t to say that Mexican gangs caused that violence. It was to say that some Americans do experience, as you would say “misery” akin to daily life in Honduras. People don’t just travel across thousands of miles, with no money unless they are desperate. Since when have Hondurans flooded the border? A sudden massive change in social phenomenon and your first assumption is that they are coming because they want to leech off us? Don’t you think they’d rather be with their families? In places familiar with them, where people speak the same language? Doesn’t that sound more fun. Isn’t that the world you made for yourself?

But clearly, the situation is desperate. The mass migration of people always tends to come at duress. Especially in recent human history. These aren’t college educated folks with a sinister plot. They are extremely poor mothers who see their world is a violent and unstable place.

Whatever you think about the causes of that instability, we should at least be able to agree the American people should know about the full extent of our involvement in Honduras. Maybe fewer of them would show up screaming “Go Back to Mexico.”

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 1:41 PM

I think terryann went over to this thread.

Obama border funding: Most money to care, feed, transport illegal immigrants; little for deportations.

I thought I heard a small popping sound.

HumpBot Salvation on July 8, 2014 at 1:42 PM

sure – let’s set up squalid refugee camps right next door to the UN in NYC. Let them deal with the crime & disease. No doubt there is room for a camp in Hollywood Hills. Why not turn Detroit into a refugee camp? Let the libs in NYC reap what they’ve sown.

katiejane on July 8, 2014 at 1:43 PM

rogerb banned? *shrug*

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Can you not read? The billion of dollars is to secure the border. That’s what you want, no?

terryannonline on July 8, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Apparently you can’t. The money is to build detention centers, not to build the wall. That’s not what you want, no?

The money would go to several federal agencies: $1.6 billion to the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security; $1.8 billion to Health and Human Services; and $300 million to the State Department, administration officials said.

The administration’s comprehensive strategy represents a “super-aggressive deterrence and enforcement strategy,” a senior administration official told reporters, speaking on a conference call on condition of anonymity to
The request also will include an additional $615 million to help the federal government fight wildfires.

But they are putting money in for wildfires because we all know that that will help stop the mass invasion from the south./

Go peddle crazy somewhere else, we’re all full up here.

Patriot Vet on July 8, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Shucks.

rogerb on July 8, 2014 at 1:37 PM

No, you are far too modest my friend. You are one of the very few here at HA I would go out of my way to meet. You aren’t that far from me either. Is that a bannable offense? Lolz! ; )

Bmore on July 8, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Imagine that for a bit. Imagine being consumed by your academic fetish but being constantly shown as wrong on almost every topic you introduce here outside of a laughably self-limited sort of “the influence of women professors in gay black history and how it influences future gay history of blacks and women” sphere of knowledge.
 
Now imagine knowing that the non-bubble folks you choose to congregate with care very little about your womens-/LBGT-/black-studies knowledge. And, worse, often laugh openly about its perceived value after you prove you haven’t bothered to learn much else.
 
Sadder still is knowing that he comes here and gets knocked around academically by people who probably only graduated high school but who have genuine intellectual curiousity and have educated themselves on different topics, and this forces him to return to the comfort of that little womens-/LBGT-/black-studies bubble where he knows what he’s expected to say to be told he’s smart again.
 
Lather, rinse, repeat.
 
rogerb on February 5, 2013 at 7:03 AM

rogerb on July 8, 2014 at 1:45 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317485/All-aboard-American-Dream-Desperate-migrants-ride-Train-Death-Mexico-reach-U-S-risking-violent-attack-rape-kidnap.html

Music to read by: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRTHdC7k4uY

Far
We’ve been travelling far
Without a home
But not without a star

Free
Only want to be free
We huddle close
Hang on to a dream

On the boats and on the planes
They’re coming to America
Never looking back again
They’re coming to America

Home, don’t it seem so far away
Oh, we’re travelling light today
In the eye of the storm
In the eye of the storm

Home, to a new and a shiny place
Make our bed, and we’ll say our grace
Freedom’s light burning warm
Freedom’s light burning warm

Everywhere around the world
They’re coming to America
Every time that flag’s unfurled
They’re coming to America

Got a dream to take them there
They’re coming to America
Got a dream they’ve come to share
They’re coming to America

They’re coming to America
They’re coming to America
They’re coming to America
They’re coming to America
Today, today, today, today, today

My country ’tis of thee
(Today)
Sweet land of liberty
(today)
Of thee I sing
(today)
Of thee I sing
(today)

(today)

(today)

davidk on July 8, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Exclusive—Sarah Palin: ‘It’s Time to Impeach’ President Obama
Enough is enough of the years of abuse from this president. His unsecured border crisis is the last straw that makes the battered wife say, “no mas.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/08/Exclusive-Sarah-Palin-Time-to-Impeach-President-Obama

DinaRehn on July 8, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Conservatives must think strategically…use the indirect approach.

Here are some facts:

(1) Obama is not going to deport them. His base has fantasies of turning red states, like Texas, blue so the more that cross the border the better.

(2) The GOP in congress is not going to impeach Obama, and even worse some GOP congressmen are happy about this because it helps the COC.

So what can be done except complain that Obama is not deporting them, and GOP has no spine? Send the newly arrived, or released, to the deepest blue states in the Northeast, away from any red states. Instead of Texas spending state tax money adding more security to the border (the new illegals will just be handed over to INS anyway), just use the money to set up a state program to send the new arrivals to the states that have the best social welfare programs to take care of them.

In fact advertise it to the new illegals that if they want free stuff go to the Northeast. Texas should even give them bus money and even arrange bus rides for the new arrivals to such places as:

Massachusetts
Connecticut
Rhode Island
New York (NYC/Harlem)
Vermont

In fact drop them off in Harvard Yard…LOL. Pick out the bluest areas of the state too. African-Americans wanted Obama, so give 20,000 central Americans to Harlem. The NYC elite wanted this, so dump them on Manhattan Island. Same with Boston, Providence, etc.

This strategy has three side benefits:

(1) If forces the wealthy white liberal establishment in the Northeast to deal with the problem themselves and punishes minority groups that voted for Obama, like African-Americans and Jews living in the Northeast. A massive influx of Central American immigrants into their communities will mean the loss of political power for them. This might force them to face reality, and change their minds about open borders. It will also with luck bankrupt a few northeastern states that are economically over extended now with their generous social programs.

(2) It will keep red states red, and it will force conservatives still living in the Northeast to give up on the dopey dream of turning their states red again. It is over, it is time to make red stated redder…

(3) It will be hard to call conservatives racist. We are just trying to give the new illegals the best social programs possible and those are found in the progressive northeast. Do white progressives really want these poor, innocent, children to suffer in those awful “redneck” states?

William Eaton on July 8, 2014 at 1:47 PM

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Some J.E Dyer for you

butch on July 8, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Go pray some today, terryann. You done wrong, very wrong.

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Again. Why is it *impossible* for you to recognize these people’s humanity?
libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Part of the usual definition of humanity is the responsibility to follow laws. Secondly, why is it when the left aborts live babies or calls human species equal to a rat, you or they never mention the tear-jerking word–humanity?

Don L on July 8, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Again. Why is it *impossible* for you to recognize these people’s humanity?
libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Humans live in civilized societies, ruled by the law, not by men.

Meh, professor, certainly you know this.

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Thank you, United Nations, for all of your support in our fight against terrorism. Not! Now, STFU!

HiJack on July 8, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Meh, professor, certainly you know this.

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM

The rule of law confounds them.

Bmore on July 8, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Again. Why is it *impossible* for you to recognize these people’s humanity?
libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 1:41 PM

By your logic – should all who live in inhumane societies come to the USA?

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 1:52 PM

RE: terryannonline

Von Kleist on July 8, 2014 at 1:52 PM

terryannonline
I’d like to get your take on why this situation doesn’t fall squarly into the number 9 catagory of your linked paige?

Von Kleist on July 8, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Again. Why is it *impossible* for you to recognize these people’s humanity?
libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 1:41 PM

You are right…they should all go to Massachussets.

You can take of them…and live with them.

I am for this…send them all to libfreeordie’s Harvard.

William Eaton on July 8, 2014 at 1:55 PM

It costs anywhere from $500 to $5,000 for coyotes to smuggle these criminals. They are breaking the law, 47% of them being males aged 15-17, some with MS13 tattoos all over them, all with some communicable disease.
Your boy Bob Beckel blames these Mexican fangs for the violence in Chicago. Take it up with him.
Uneducated, some pregnant, many with children with no jobs skills coming here because of Obama and his policies. For every dollar they contribute, the illegal takes three dollars in welfare/entitlements.
They are coming here, not because of violence, there has ALWAYS been violence in Central America. They are coming here because they heard our idiot president wasn’t deporting women with children.

So, I’m assuming, libtard, we can sign you up with a dozen of these poor invader criminal victims. We have two wit lice, one with chicken pox, three with H1N1, three with scabies, one with mrsa, one with corona virus, put your limes away, idiot, and an MS13 child who has mental problems and likes to skin his victims.

We are a nation of laws, dummy.

HornetSting on July 8, 2014 at 1:55 PM

So is the UN proposing that international military forces go in to pacify these countries?

malclave on July 8, 2014 at 1:55 PM

So U.N., where do Chicago kids go to escape poverty and violence?

ctmom on July 8, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Part of the usual definition of humanity is the responsibility to follow laws.

Don L on July 8, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Haven’t you heard? Laws are for the little white people.

Left Coast Right Mind on July 8, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Again. Why is it *impossible* for you to recognize these people’s humanity?

Who said I don’t, and considering how little you know of my personal life you’re making quite the assumption. What I DO know is that there isn’t enough money in the world to care for everyone who says “Let me in”, there just isn’t and you know it too.

A sudden massive change in social phenomenon and your first assumption is that they are coming because they want to leech off us? Don’t you think they’d rather be with their families? In places familiar with them, where people speak the same language? Doesn’t that sound more fun. Isn’t that the world you made for yourself?

Then it would make more sense to travel as far as Mexico where there are more commonalities with their homelands such as language, relative culture, food, not to mention it’s closer to home. Why travel across an entire nation on foot unless there is a reward at the end.

Any time you’re ready to share your personal involvement with such people against my experience, you be sure to let me know; I’ll bet my house that yours will be the lesser of the two.

Bishop on July 8, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Whatever happened to turn ‘em back at the border?

Or escort them to said border once apprehended?

(I know, logical…)

formwiz on July 8, 2014 at 1:59 PM

I want to know how the hell they got through Mexico in the first place. Doesn’t Mexico have strict border enforcement on the southern end? Was their collusion between the Obama regime and Mexico to lax those standards to let the illegals through? This all feels like one big set up. These people didn’t just show up at the border out of the blue.

specialkayel on July 8, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Pretty sure Mexico guards their southern border much better than we do ours. Certainly there is collusion-a few might sneak through, but not the numbers we’re talking about here.

they are fleeing violence and extortion at the hands of criminal gangs.

violence, extortion, criminal gangs—how is that different than our own government? Interesting how time goes on our country is more and more like the ones they’re fleeing from…but I’m sure that’s all coincidence.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM


Part of the usual definition of humanity is the responsibility to follow laws.

Secondly, why is it when the left aborts live babies or calls human species equal to a rat, you or they never mention the tear-jerking word–humanity?

Don L on July 8, 2014 at 1:50 PM

It does?!? Based upon what part of Western philosophy does violating the law make one inhuman, or impossible to recognize as human. On the contrary, that is the entire point of our criminal justice system (or it used to be). Which is that the universal recognition of everyone’s humanity, even murderers, meant we dealt with their crimes in a particular way. No longer beheading, but a trial that gave them a full opportunity to defend themselves against their charges. That’s a profoundly humanistic system.

And so wait. Is *every* violation of the law a cause for someone to lose access to recognition as a human? Speeding? A onetime DUI? Or downloading music illegally? I mean come on now. I want you to show me definition of humanity that has *anything* to do with following the law.

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Any time you’re ready to share your personal involvement with such people against my experience, you be sure to let me know; I’ll bet my house that yours will be the lesser of the two.
 
Bishop on July 8, 2014 at 1:58 PM

 
Don’t make him quote Ed at you, boo.

rogerb on July 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM

rogerb, you’re one of the smartest chaps around. Wanted to tell you this for a long time. Might as well, before it’s too late my friend.

Thank you for you yeoman work/effort.

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 1:35 PM

…ditto that…and what Bmore said!

JugEarsButtHurt on July 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM

sure to let me know; I’ll bet my house that yours will be the lesser of the two.

Bishop on July 8, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Libfree rarely addresses you.

Proof positive of your Web skill set.

ToddPA on July 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM

RE: libfreeordie
You do understand that we have a poverty crisis here in America, right? I mean according ot the info I found we have an estimated 12% of the population living in poverty. I’m all for extending a helping hand to those who need it, just not while I’m struggling myself ot stay above water. If you really cared about the children I’d think you’d be better served by arguing for military intervention in those Central American locations that are allowing this crisis to not only continue but escalate. Let’s let the Arab world deal with there issues and start spending more time focused on what we can do here in our own hemisphere for a change….

Von Kleist on July 8, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Hey Ed, (if you’re still reading these cooments),

any chance of the Palin throw down getting it’s own thread??

ToddPA on July 8, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Whatever happened to turn ‘em back at the border?

Or escort them to said border once apprehended?

(I know, logical…)

formwiz on July 8, 2014 at 1:59 PM

The problem is the states can’t do it by themselves, and all the “Obama States” think that is “racist”. So I say send the illegals to the “Obama States”…preferably the Northeast states like Massachusetts. Let them feel what it is like to have 100,000-500,000 people from another country appear in their state out of no where.

William Eaton on July 8, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Hey Ed, (if you’re still reading these cooments),

any chance of the Palin throw down getting it’s own thread??

ToddPA on July 8, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Answered above by Ed…AP is working on it…coming up any moment.

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Gird your loins. The Palin thread is up!

HornetSting on July 8, 2014 at 2:06 PM

terryann, I hope you have a day as good as you made it. I hope you sleep in your thorny bed tonight.

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 2:06 PM

And so wait. Is *every* violation of the law a cause for someone to lose access to recognition as a human? Speeding? A onetime DUI? Or downloading music illegally? I mean come on now. I want you to show me definition of humanity that has *anything* to do with following the law.

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM

You don’t have a country if you do not have borders.

So are you saying we should simply open the borders to any human to cross at will and dissolve the union?

It is always easy for a wealthy Harvard elitist to say that until it is in your backyard. The crime, the lack of security, the loss of political and cultural power, etc.

So once again would you object to Texas busing all the illegals crossing the border to Harvard yard?

William Eaton on July 8, 2014 at 2:08 PM

So U.N., where do Chicago kids go to escape poverty and violence?

ctmom on July 8, 2014 at 1:57 PM

The morgue.

davidk on July 8, 2014 at 2:09 PM

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Please.

They’re coming because they think Obama is going to grant them Amnesty.

sentinelrules on July 8, 2014 at 2:09 PM

So U.N., where do Chicago kids go to escape poverty and violence?

ctmom on July 8, 2014 at 1:57 PM

They might start by finding their fathers and their dignity and clean up their self-made combat zones.

Poverty is not the cause of crime–corrupted morals in a culture is.

Don L on July 8, 2014 at 2:16 PM

the world’s dumping ground

DimsdalePiranha on July 8, 2014 at 1:23 PM

This is the view of so many political regimes around the world. It’s just that most countries have to conquer more severe terrain obstacles than Central Americans do to get here.

I still want someone to say why we shouldn’t send them all to that “liberal” paradise, Cuba.

GWB on July 8, 2014 at 2:17 PM

You do understand that we have a poverty crisis here in America, right? I mean according ot the info I found we have an estimated 12% of the population living in poverty. I’m all for extending a helping hand to those who need it, just not while I’m struggling myself ot stay above water. If you really cared about the children I’d think you’d be better served by arguing for military intervention in those Central American locations that are allowing this crisis to not only continue but escalate. Let’s let the Arab world deal with there issues and start spending more time focused on what we can do here in our own hemisphere for a change….

Von Kleist on July 8, 2014 at 2:01 PM

I’m not saying it’s a convenient time. Just that we should be honest about what is happening. And stop saying it’s “Mexicans” coming for “amnesty.” Stop borrowing the language from the last political campaign to describe an entirely different situation involving different people. At least start with making clear about who you’re talking about. You all don’t even do that. Or at least not you all in Murietta.

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 2:23 PM

https://twitter.com/washtimes

The Washington Times @WashTimes · Jul 7

Illegal immigrant charged with rape while in Philadelphia, a sanctuary city http://wtim.es/1mA5XBc via @washtimes #immigration

canopfor on July 8, 2014 at 2:29 PM

You all don’t even do that. Or at least not you all in Murietta.

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Or you all in Baltimore after the mayor and two senators (all demorats) objected to a plan to house some of the illegals at a closed office complex.

Curious how your liberal brethren don’t seem to want any of those poor Honduran mothers with babies to have shelter.

Bishop on July 8, 2014 at 2:30 PM

The Washington Times @WashTimes · Jul 7

Obama to blame for surge of illegal immigrant children: poll – Washington Times: http://wtim.es/1jZpPrC #ImmigrantChildren #Obama

canopfor on July 8, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Unaccompanied minors at US southern border
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Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, says it’s ‘inexplicable’ President Obama will be in state but visit border; says discussing issue 500 miles away not enough – @mikememoli
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see original on twitter.com
Unaccompanied minors at US southern border
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Asked if President Obama should visit the US border, Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., says ‘I don’t think that would hurt’ – @frankthorpNBC

canopfor on July 8, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Or you all in Baltimore after the mayor and two senators (all demorats) objected to a plan to house some of the illegals at a closed office complex.

Curious how your liberal brethren don’t seem to want any of those poor Honduran mothers with babies to have shelter.

Bishop on July 8, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Republicans should demand they be housed in Baltimore…for the good of the nation.

William Eaton on July 8, 2014 at 2:40 PM

You all don’t even do that. Or at least not you all in Murietta.

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 2:23 PM

It’s Murrieta, fool.

Also, did you see how inhumane terryann was treated?

Hey, terryann, you need to go to confessional today.

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Many say Mexicans will never stop wanting to be Mexicans regardless of how long they are the United States. terryannonline may be living proof.

I am Irish and have no qualms about deporting any Irish in the country illegally (even though they speak English and probably graduated from high school). I also don’t support politicians just because they have Irish names. In fact, I bet I vote against politicians with Irish names more often than not.

bw222 on July 8, 2014 at 2:48 PM

https://twitter.com/washtimes

The Washington Times @WashTimes · 21h

LAPD will no longer comply with ICE to detain immigrant suspects http://wtim.es/1vTeHlv

canopfor on July 8, 2014 at 2:50 PM

https://twitter.com/washtimes

The Washington Times @WashTimes · 16h

Arizona is ordered to issue driver’s licenses to immigrant “dreamers.” http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/7/court-immigrant-dreamers-can-get-drivers-licenses/ … #immigration #Arizona

canopfor on July 8, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Curious how your liberal brethren don’t seem to want any of those poor Honduran mothers with babies to have shelter.

Bishop on July 8, 2014 at 2:30 PM

NIMBY. It has infected “liberals” for a loooong time.

At least start with making clear about who you’re talking about.

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Can we do it like the homosexuals? Call them BCRSGHNPs? Or should it be BCRESGHNPs?

GWB on July 8, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Latino is a male. Latina is female. I’m a female.
terryannonline on July 8, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Sucia put”A” es estupid”A”

Doyle Hargrave on July 8, 2014 at 3:05 PM

I’m not saying it’s a convenient time. Just that we should be honest about what is happening. And stop saying it’s “Mexicans” coming for “amnesty.” Stop borrowing the language from the last political campaign to describe an entirely different situation involving different people. At least start with making clear about who you’re talking about. You all don’t even do that. Or at least not you all in Murietta.

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Fair enough, I suppose. But I think the perspective your missing is that the problem has festered for so long and feelings and minds have been decided on this issue, simply becasue this issue has been talked about for so many years. At this point its a bit like getting upset that you spilled coffe on your car seat after you’ve just rearended a cop car…ya know. And to be honest I don;t see how it really makes any diffrence if the folks are coming from Mexico, Honduras, Germany or Italy…. the solution isn’t going to be that easy to swallow for a lot of careing Americans, but the longer we wait the harder and more limited those solutions become. And if I may just appeal to your Progressivism, you might do well to temper your responses by considering that for every dollar we are spending on this crisis is one less dollar we can invest in education, highspeed internet access for all, better roads and schools… at some point even the deep pockets of Uncle Sam wear thin.

Von Kleist on July 8, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Put”A” sucia es estupid”A”

Doyle Hargrave on July 8, 2014 at 3:06 PM

All the more reason the U.S. should pull out of the U.N. entirely.

Militarize and SEAL the southern border. NOW!

Pack up the kids on planes and send ‘em home.

Inform Central American countries that are promoting this, that we will not only cut off all money to their countries, but will consider further promotion of illegal immigration as an act of war.

See how the U.N. feels about them apples.

But then, that’s just what I would do.

Meople on July 8, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Just that we should be honest about what is happening. And stop saying it’s “Mexicans” coming for “amnesty.” Stop borrowing the language from the last political campaign to describe an entirely different situation involving different people. At least start with making clear about who you’re talking about. You all don’t even do that. Or at least not you all in Murietta.

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Mexicans are still streaming across the border. Obama is importing the poor of other countries. He wants to take more money from those who earned it, and give it to those who didn’t. He wants to spend more and more and more. He hates anyone who has money that doesn’t believe like him. If you’re like him ideologically then you can have all the money you want.

That’s honesty.

darwin on July 8, 2014 at 3:19 PM

And if I may just appeal to your Progressivism, you might do well to temper your responses by considering that for every dollar we are spending on this crisis is one less dollar we can invest in education, highspeed internet access for all, better roads and schools… at some point even the deep pockets of Uncle Sam wear thin.

Von Kleist on July 8, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Progressives, or whatever the communists/socialists/Marxists are calling themselves are out to bankrupt everyone but themselves. They want YOUR money to give to someone else.

In Obama’s mind he thinks this is “fairness”. In reality it’s what progressives do. Make everyone but themselves poor. They naturally become fabulously rich and powerful.

darwin on July 8, 2014 at 3:22 PM

RE: darwin on July 8, 2014 at 3:22 PM
Let’s be honest for a second EVERYONE wants your money.. R’s and D’s , Cons. and Progs… The trick is to try and lead folks ot the realization that one group has a fair way to accomplish this and the other…well not so much.

Von Kleist on July 8, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Refugees from what, from being born in a mostly corrupt and poor country? First the health treatments were brought to them to ease their suffering. We’ve seen all the commercials. Then they breed like flies. It’s no wonder over population has taken over.

jake49 on July 8, 2014 at 1:34 PM

But that’s the thing, they can’t give them refugee status just like that (and thank god for that), though they will try hard to twist themselves in a pretzel to adjust/change the official definitions of ‘refugee’. The UNCHR definition of refugee (as in forced migration) is pretty clear and different from that of economic migrant. They have to show proof they flee a country where there’s a conflict ongoing, or there’s a humanitarian disaster of sorts, or that they fear persecution upon return (as in death sentence that some disidents from authoritarian regimes face). So, yeah, good luck with giving these people the status of refugee.UN is pretty stupid and clueless, but not that stupid and clueless to create such a precedent, because they will have to deal with the consequences, if the word spreads and more economic migrants ask for refugee status (which is normally denied to them).

jimver on July 8, 2014 at 4:03 PM

That’s actually a good idea. How about this: begin a program making it easy for Texans to adopt an immigrant or two or three or four, a finishing family of sorts, for the purpose of turning out tens of thousands of properly upright fresh American conservative voters, that get married, own businesses and deeply distrust federal government who cannot even perform its basic function of protecting its own borders, as they know so well by experience firsthand.

bour3 on July 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Are you still praying, terryann?

Schadenfreude on July 8, 2014 at 4:17 PM

All the more reason the U.S. should pull out of the U.N. entirely.

Meople on July 8, 2014 at 3:13 PM

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Yes . . . . . then kick them the HANG outta’ the U.S. !

listens2glenn on July 8, 2014 at 4:18 PM

I don’t have any kids.
terryannonline on July 8, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Well that’s a miracle seeing as how Hobby Lobby cruelly stole all your birth control.

#BuckFarack

Nutstuyu on July 8, 2014 at 4:21 PM

bour3 on July 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Just so long as the lemon law is fully in effect, and they can be sent home if it doesn’t work out.

GWB on July 8, 2014 at 4:46 PM

A manufactured crises that will not go to waste.

Dog walker on July 8, 2014 at 4:50 PM

The UN is right:

http://www.latinorebels.com/2014/06/18/the-u-s-created-child-migrant-crisis/

libfreeordie on July 8, 2014 at 11:34 AM

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No … they aren’t right, you’re not right, and Hector isn’t right … but I’ll give Hector a little more credit than I give you, or the UN.
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What Honduran parents want for their children is what any parent wants for their child, which is merely the opportunity to build a decent life that is healthy and secure. The child migrants traveling to the U.S. border aren’t making the journey with dreams of buying mansions and sports cars once they get here. They come just as millions of other immigrants have come since the nation’s founding: “tired” and “poor.” They are “the homeless,” the “tempest-tost,” the “huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”
There was a time when America extended her hand to people like that, no matter where they were. Now we’re withdrawing that hand just when child migrants are so desperate to come here, and even though we’ve made them that way.

Hector Luis Alamo Jr @latinorebels.com on June 18, 2014

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Hector, it doesn’t matter what the parents want … The U.S. eventually did establish protocols for immigration, and those protocols have been defied by this mass migration, which I’ll term an ‘invasion’.
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The “millions of other immigrants” who have come since the nation’s founding (“the tired”, “the poor”, “the homeless”, “the tempest-tossed”, and “the huddled masses yearning to breathe free”) successfully navigated their way through these bureaucratic ‘protocols’.
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But the real “hot button” issue, is the premise that the U.S. has a “guilt-burden” to bear, for ruining the societal structures of the countries in Central America, and on that basis we (the U.S.) should accept this mass-migration, because “it’s all our fault anyhow, so we should bear the burden of cleaning up this mess we made.”

I (individually me … I don’t pretend to represent all Americans) just … don’t … accept that.

If you were to specifically blame Americans who are recreational users of illegal drugs, then you could get some sympathy from me.
Americans who are recreational users of illegal drugs are THE basis for the existence of the Drug Cartels.

Question for anyone (not just Hector) : … What’s the trouble down there, NOT RELATED TO THE ILLEGAL DRUG TRADE, that’s causing adult parents to believe it’s a ‘lesser evil’ to ship their young children unattended … on such a dangerous journey ?
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considering Mexico is the second largest country in Latin America, with Mexicans making up the largest slice of immigrants in the United States, it seems only natural that the average American would view the topic of immigration as “a Mexico thing.”

Hector Luis Alamo Jr @latinorebels.com on June 18, 2014

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Hector, the thing I consider to be “a Mexico thing”, is the illegal border breaching.

I am ‘guilty’ of thinking that way.

listens2glenn on July 8, 2014 at 5:37 PM

There was a time when America extended her hand to people like that, no matter where they were. Now we’re withdrawing that hand just when child migrants are so desperate to come here, and even though we’ve made them that way.

Hector Luis Alamo Jr @latinorebels.com on June 18, 2014

America had basically open immigration because the nation NEEDED people to come here to work at really crappy jobs for really pitiful wages. We don’t now. We have too many unemployed people already here.

If these illegal immigrants have such great potential they should stay in their homeland and work to improve life there.

katiejane on July 8, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Here’s an idea: how about the nations these people are fleeing clean up their government. How about these refugees stay and fight for the freedoms we have won in this country long ago?

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Says someone who lives comfortably in America. Easier said then done.

terryannonline on July 8, 2014 at 11:55 AM

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terry’, where did that quote come from ?

I can’t find it anywhere on the page … and since this is page #1, where else could it be ?
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But that aside, the American Revolution was “easier said than done”.

listens2glenn on July 8, 2014 at 5:56 PM

That’s a great idea.
We could turn them over to the UN High-Commissioner for Refugees for settlement in their camps in Gaza.

Another Drew on July 8, 2014 at 6:39 PM

The masses of. border jumpers could not have come all the way across Mexico without the government supporting their doing so.

Load them aboard military transports configured for troops, take them to Mexico City, and let Mexico deal with them as they normally do illegals from Central America. If Mexico objects use F16 escorts.

Nomas on July 8, 2014 at 7:01 PM

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ILLEGAL Immigrants’ INVASION of America

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Tens of thousands of ILLEGAL immigrants
who are FLOODING American towns.
Many of the ILLEGAL immigrants are being
WHISKED AWAY by federal agents to other STATES.

I have tried and so far have not been able to find
a definitive list of what STATES
these thousands of ILLEGAL immigrants are
being shipped to. I assume the Obama
administration DOES NOT want us to KNOW.

How can Democrats with good judgment or
self-preservation instincts let this happen?

I believe this situation is a CALAMITY
that surpasses all of the other times
Obama has SELECTIVELY enforced our LAWS
or MANEUVERED OUTSIDE the LAW
to RULE by FIAT.

Obama administration isn’t just
letting the INVASION occur;
they are FACILITATING IT
in a way that is a MALFEASANCE
that undermines American SOVEREIGNTY.

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Photos show Drugs Pouring over Southern
Arizona Border as Agent Resources are Overwhelmed

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/KatiePavlich/2014/07/08/exclusive-photos-show-drugs-pouring-over-southern-arizona-border-n1859982
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http://www.RealClearPOLITICS.COM

http://www.RealClearMARKETS.COM
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www. washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/07/07/is-obama-going-to-repeat-bushs-mistake/

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Global HAWK on July 8, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Terryonline was today’s minority commenter. The minority that comments but some people love to dismiss his/her view because as someone wrote her ethnicity trumps everything.

coolrepublica on July 8, 2014 at 11:19 PM

coolrepublica on July 8, 2014 at 11:19 PM

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terry’s a “minority” ? … Holy balls, I wouldn’t have disagreed with her if I would have known that … I don’t want to be called a racist or sexist or something . . . . .

listens2glenn on July 9, 2014 at 1:59 AM

Good idea. Every U.N. employee from ambassador on down should pick up half a dozen or so and take them back with them on their next visit home.

bluesdoc70 on July 9, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Jeepers, if you publish your real name, picture and address online and don’t get a few stalkers, that’s gotta suck.

justltl on July 10, 2014 at 6:32 AM

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