NOW’s Dirty Little Sisters

posted at 12:01 pm on July 8, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Ah, sisterhood. Organizations like NOW love to proclaim it … except when it comes to actual Sisters. My Townhall colleague Christine Rousselle noticed yesterday that NOW listed the Little Sisters of the Poor among its “Dirty 100″ organizations who have the temerity to object to being forced to provide free contraception for their employees, whether that violates their religious beliefs or not. “Nothing quite says a “force for women’s rights” like attacking a group of women, am I right?” Christine asked. Kevin Daley at the Washington Examiner plumbs the irony of the attack on the LSP, who provide hospice care for the poor:

The order of nuns NOW finds “dirty” are the Little Sisters of the Poor, a religious institute for women founded by St. Jeanne Jugan in 19th century France. They are dedicated to care of the elderly impoverished, and describe their spiritual charism as “grace of hospitality toward the aged poor.”

Today the Little Sisters operate 200 homes on five continents, and serve over 13,000 residents. In a promotional video for the order, Sister Camille Rose said “We celebrate the gift of life, the joy of living, and we care for the elderly poor. We try to make them happy in whatever way we can.” The nuns themselves live communally and take vows of poverty, chastity, obedience, and hospitality.

As I write in my column for The Week, I’m a big fan of absurdity in politics … but this goes beyond the limit:

As part of its rationale, NOW offers such non-sequiturs as the percentage of Catholic women who have used birth control, which has nothing to do with the doctrinal teachings of the Catholic Church or the beliefs of the Little Sisters of the Poor. NOW also highlights the supposed acceptance of birth control by the Mennonites, another non-sequitur that is supposed to be a response to the Mennonite owners of Conestoga Wood. The whole thing reads as a diatribe against the freedom of religious expression, which is all NOW has got besides the laughable argument that contraception is so inaccessible that nuns have to be forced to provide it to themselves.

Normally, one would expect an organization that considers itself the pre-eminent defender of women’s choices to, you know, defend the free choice of a group of women. Or NOW could have acknowledged the nuance of a group of Catholic nuns standing up for their choice to act according to their principles. That should especially be true since the Little Sisters of the Poor’s decision on how to structure their health insurance impacts no one but their own organization.

At the very least, one might have expected NOW to come up with a less pejorative name than “The Dirty 100″ when applied to the Little Sisters of the Poor. In any other context, that sounds an awful lot like a “war on women.”

Noah wrote earlier about the strategy by Democrats to make this their legislative priority between now and the midterm elections. Good luck with that, because Democrats already look out of touch and rudderless on issues that Americans actually do care about, such as the economy, jobs, and the federal budget deficit. Contraception doesn’t even make the list, because there hasn’t been a crisis in access to contraception in the first place. Republicans should be emphasizing that last point especially with the CDC’s data, and show that this is nothing more than an attempt to demagogue and distract from the failures of this administration, especially ObamaCare, which is the paternalistic father of the paternalistic HHS contraception mandate.

That’s the dirty little secret behind the dirty little campaign of the Democrats and NOW.

Update: Katie Pavlich has a new book out today called  Assault and Flattery: The Truth About the Left and Their War on Women, in bookstores today. Katie skewers the whole “war on women” meme from Democrats and turns the table on them:

It’s time someone pointed out the hypocrisy and lies coming from the left about women. Democrats have run the conversation for too long and I’m out to debunk the sacred cows of the so-called Republican War on Women.

If liberals really believe women can protect themselves, then why do they oppose a woman’s right to carry a handgun for self defense? If Hillary Clinton is the ultimate female role model, then why has she built her political career on her husband’s philandering while silencing his many female whistleblowers? If Barack Obama is the most pro-woman president in history, then why does he seek to make women completely dependent on the government? If the right to an abortion gives women personal autonomy and sexual freedom, then why are its debilitating aftereffects overlooked? And finally, if Republicans are so insensitive to women, then why is the sexual lechery of politicians from Ted Kennedy to Bill Clinton defended, justified, covered up, or ignored?

Those on the left love to talk about women in one way, but in reality treat women in an entirely opposite, demeaning way full of broken promises and false hope. Through research, in-depth interviews and personal stories, I reveal the shocking truth about the Democratic Party’s anti-woman agenda on issues like gun control, healthcare, the economy, sexual assault and more.

Katie will join me on The Ed Morrissey Show today to discuss this at more length, so be sure to tune in at 4 ET!


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The only constants beyond the progressive desire to implement fascism throughout the nation are their mendacity and hypocrisy.

That more don’t see this tells us all we need to know about the dearth of critical thinking skills and education in this country.

Athos on July 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM

This is the part where I come in and remind these nuns that it was the Catholic Health Association that gave cover to Pro-Life Democrats and told them it was a-okay to vote for ObamaCare because they were confident that shit like this wouldn’t happen if it passed.

Well it passed – and it’s hit the fan.

Another issue I’m not gonna work up a sweat on. The RCC can fight this on their own.

HondaV65 on July 8, 2014 at 12:05 PM

War on Women indeed.

War on Christians.

ConstantineXI on July 8, 2014 at 12:06 PM

NOW has gone from simply being wrong to actively evil.

rbj on July 8, 2014 at 12:08 PM

…NOW member’s mothers…needed the ‘abortion pill’ available…back in the day!

JugEarsButtHurt on July 8, 2014 at 12:08 PM

God Bless & Keep Little Sisters of the Poor.

PRAYER TO
SAINT MICHAEL
THE ARCHANGEL

St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen..

workingclass artist on July 8, 2014 at 12:10 PM

NOW has gone from simply being wrong to actively evil.

rbj on July 8, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Actually, NOW has been actively evil for quite some time.

They’re just unconcerned about hiding it now.

Athos on July 8, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Why do you keep referring to them as NOW? They are Coven of Witch socialists, aka COWS.

Rix on July 8, 2014 at 12:16 PM

I hope they put a condom on that shark before they jumped it.

RSbrewer on July 8, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Little Sisters Of The Poor:

Vows of chastity, poverty, obedience and hospitality. Take care of unwanted, destitute old people.

NAGs (National Association of Gals, as per Rush):

Rich elitists who promote promiscuity, want no barriers to this behavior, who consider pregnancy a disease, children as a burden, marriage as slavery.

Who do you think will inherit the Kingdom Of Heaven?

conservative hispanic on July 8, 2014 at 12:17 PM

…besides the laughable argument that contraception is so inaccessible that nuns have to be forced to provide it to themselves…

Jeers to NOW for using ‘Dirty’ as a snarky label, but that’s not the argument.
Presenting it that way is indeed laughable.
I guess it’s a tit-for-tat, everyone dismiss the other side as an idiot approach.

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Actually, NOW has been actively evil for quite some time.

They’re just unconcerned about hiding it now.

Athos on July 8, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Yep, Tammy Bruce left NOW in the 90′s because they suddenly became quiet during the OJ Simpson affair, because they didn’t want to pi$$ off their black allies. Didn’t matter that Nicole Brown Simpson has been an abuse victim. Then they were completely silent about the Clinton affair.

NOW jumped the shark a long time ago, and became about unfettered abortion, and that is it.

melle1228 on July 8, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I wonder if she’s singing ‘Dominique’.

otlset on July 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM

The Catholic Health Association weren’t the only ones deceived in the results of bamscare. All of this (bamscare, contraceptive debate, foreign policies, boarder problems, etc.) comes back to people who voted for a man who sold them snake oil and they found out it didn’t “fix” what ailed them or their country. No one questioned the ingredients that was to be used on the “sores”. They swallowed it with out asking.
Personally, I don’t understand the support Catholics give the Democratic Party (the party of abortion) in the first place. Nor do I understand how Pelosi is allowed to step inside a church due to her support of abortion.

31giddyup on July 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM

ROFL

The harpies of NOW got themselves a BING search going and created their list; no research, no critical examination, just went out and found a bunch of orgs that don’t do what NOW wants them to do.

Why…it’s almost as if the lefties are incapable of accepting that their schemes aren’t golden eggs.

Bishop on July 8, 2014 at 12:24 PM

And yeah, when Palin was subjected to the coarsest of sexual remarks and innuendo the fine feminists of NOW could barely muster a one-line denunciation.

Bishop on July 8, 2014 at 12:25 PM

90 years ago it was another group of nuns that fought and defeated a Progressive attempt to annihilate religious liberty. The Sisters of The Holy Name took Oregon to court after it passed a law mandating all children attend a public school. Writing for a unanimous court Justice McReynolds began, ” Children are not creatures of the state…” The decision saved the religious liberties of parents to educate their children in a manner that fostered their beliefs. Now it appears nuns are again on the front line of religious liberty.

xkaydet65 on July 8, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Neither the right or the left are waging a “war on women.”

I wish we’d stop this misuse of the language.

There is no such thing as “women” in terms of politics. Young single women tend to be liberal; married women, especially with children, tend to be conservative. And there are all sorts of difference in between.

SteveMG on July 8, 2014 at 12:28 PM

If it weren’t for their HYPOCRISY, the Democrats would have nothing at all.

GarandFan on July 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM

For decades, Democrats have professed to be the party that “helps the poor” against the big bad rich corporations, and have gotten lots of Catholic votes over their supposed concern for the poor.

Good luck with the Catholic vote by bashing a group of Catholic women who choose a life of virginity and service to the poor. Will NOW go after Mother Teresa’s Sisters of Charity next?

Steve Z on July 8, 2014 at 12:31 PM

God Bless & Keep Little Sisters of the Poor.

PRAYER TO
SAINT MICHAEL
THE ARCHANGEL

St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen..

workingclass artist on July 8, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Makes me want to fill a Super Soaker with holy water and go all Rambo on those NOW hags.

CurtZHP on July 8, 2014 at 12:35 PM

NOW: women in name only.

Bitter Clinger on July 8, 2014 at 12:36 PM

Of course NOW would hate the LSOTP, they aren’t Fluke-types banging every dude with a dollar in his pocket and screaming about the horror of condom-slavery.

Bishop on July 8, 2014 at 12:36 PM

i’ll say again, i hate the way the abortion supporters declare that abortion is a “women’s rights issue” and say that if you’re against abortion, you’re “anti-women.” but i and many other women are against it. why are other people trying to speak for me?? these people don’t speak for me. they lump “women” all into the same category. that’s so irritating.

Sachiko on July 8, 2014 at 12:37 PM

I lost all my respect for NOW when they refuse to condemn muslim atrocities on women throughout the world. They only care about one thing and thats abortion and wanting someone else to pay for their abortion. Its about abortion, abortion and abortion.

garydt on July 8, 2014 at 12:38 PM

To inject logic into this; the left can’t get anywhere with the truth, so lies, demagoguery, and hypocrisy is all they have left.

The real shame is that there are so many people too stupid to see it and go the opposite direction.

Diluculo on July 8, 2014 at 12:38 PM

N.O.W.: Nates of Womyn

vnvet on July 8, 2014 at 12:39 PM

I’ve got to think that you’re automatically on the wrong side of an issue when you start calling an order of nuns “dirty.”

Happy Nomad on July 8, 2014 at 12:43 PM

And yeah, when Palin was subjected to the coarsest of sexual remarks and innuendo the fine feminists of NOW could barely muster a one-line denunciation.

Bishop on July 8, 2014 at 12:25 PM

NOW came down on the side of dirty old men engaging in sexual relations with interns in the workplace. But, Bill Clinton was given a pass for serial rape since he did so much good for women.

Happy Nomad on July 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM

This is the part where I come in and remind these nuns that it was the Catholic Health Association that gave cover to Pro-Life Democrats and told them it was a-okay to vote for ObamaCare because they were confident that shit like this wouldn’t happen if it passed.

Well it passed – and it’s hit the fan.

Another issue I’m not gonna work up a sweat on. The RCC can fight this on their own.

HondaV65 on July 8, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Organization like this give all for poor and less fortunate in the world. I don’t care about what your opinion of the RCC is overall. That these women would dedicate their lives as they do and still be described in such awful terms is the story, period.

hawkdriver on July 8, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Today the Little Sisters operate 200 homes on five continents, and serve over 13,000 residents. In a promotional video for the order, Sister Camille Rose said “We celebrate the gift of life, the joy of living, and we care for the elderly poor. We try to make them happy in whatever way we can.” The nuns themselves live communally and take vows of poverty, chastity, obedience, and hospitality.

A dirty, evil group if I ever saw one.

Thankfully, we have an honest and pristine group of fine upstanding women in NOW to set things straight.

NOMOBO on July 8, 2014 at 12:50 PM

God Bless & Keep Little Sisters of the Poor.

PRAYER TO
SAINT MICHAEL
THE ARCHANGEL

St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen..

workingclass artist on July 8, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Makes me want to fill a Super Soaker with holy water and go all Rambo on those NOW hags.

CurtZHP on July 8, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Go for it…These NOW degenerates could probably use a thorough cleansing…inside and out…

workingclass artist on July 8, 2014 at 12:58 PM

‘War on Women’, ‘War on Religion’, ‘War on Freedom / Liberty / Choice’…

We are seeing Communists/Socialists wage an all-out War on this nation, the constitution, Liberty, and freedom…

WAKE THE H@LL UP, AMERICA!

easyt65 on July 8, 2014 at 1:02 PM

They go after the Little Sisters of the Poor while promoting far lefty Sister Joan D. Chittister.

Connie on July 8, 2014 at 1:03 PM

This is the part where I come in and remind these nuns that it was the Catholic Health Association that gave cover to Pro-Life Democrats and told them it was a-okay to vote for ObamaCare because they were confident that shit like this wouldn’t happen if it passed.

Well it passed – and it’s hit the fan.

Another issue I’m not gonna work up a sweat on. The RCC can fight this on their own.

HondaV65 on July 8, 2014 at 12:05 PM

You keep saying stuff like this, as if the religious freedom that is threatened is not everyone’s. Just because the Catholic Health Association got it wrong doesn’t mean that we should all have to get trampled under the left’s attempt to steamroller religious liberty. Sounds like you needs to read you some Niemoller.

Athanasius on July 8, 2014 at 1:08 PM

We are living in dangerous times. Up is down, wrong is right, everything is completely f**ked up, pardon my language. But even ladies know how to swear when it comes to this.

Mariadee on July 8, 2014 at 1:10 PM

…besides the laughable argument that contraception is so inaccessible that nuns have to be forced to provide it to themselves…

Jeers to NOW for using ‘Dirty’ as a snarky label, but that’s not the argument.
Presenting it that way is indeed laughable.
I guess it’s a tit-for-tat, everyone dismiss the other side as an idiot approach.

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Except THEY started it.

The Little Sisters of the Poor want nothing than to do the job and live the life that God wants them to.

NOW are the aggressors, not them.

itsspideyman on July 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Catholic Health Association that gave cover to Pro-Life Democrats …
Another issue I’m not gonna work up a sweat on. The RCC can fight this on their own.

HondaV65 on July 8, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Hope this isn’t too complex a thought process for you, but the Catholic Health Association is NOT the same thing as the Catholic Church, nor does it speak for faithful Catholics as a group.

I don’t think any pro-life Catholics were taken in by the Left’s rhetoric, and in case you failed to notice, none of us voted for this abomination.

Here’s another complicated fact for you to process, Honda- there are millions of people in this country who self-identify as Catholics, but in a cultural sense only. Its a lot like saying one is Irish, in spite of not living in Ireland, not voting in Irish elections, not abiding by Irish cultural norms and not actually having much of a clue about what is or is not actually Irish. The Diva from Illinois is a perfect exemplar of the self-styled “Catholic”.

But since I suspect you just want to Catholic-bash, hey…have at it.

Dolce Far Niente on July 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Dolce Far Niente on July 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM

I was just typing the same response when you said this, and I don’t think I can say it any better.

+100

itsspideyman on July 8, 2014 at 1:12 PM

If an employer didn’t provide free screening and treatment for Tay-Sachs Disease, would he be anti-Semitic?

Socratease on July 8, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Jeers to NOW for using ‘Dirty’ as a snarky label, but that’s not the argument.
Presenting it that way is indeed laughable.
I guess it’s a tit-for-tat, everyone dismiss the other side as an idiot approach.

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 12:18 PM

What is your argument? That the Little Sisters of the Poor have done or said something to the “other side” ? And that this attack from NOW is therefore just snarky “tit for tat”?

Please link your source.

Can’t, can you? Because you have made this up out of whole cloth, unable as you are to condemn a leftist women’s organization for a public attack on a group wholly virtuous women who choose to live a life of prayer and service.

How pathetic and small you are.

Dolce Far Niente on July 8, 2014 at 1:20 PM

HondaV65 on July 8, 2014 at 12:05 PM

I tend to agree with you. I’ve cautioned RC friends for years that this would be the inevitable end of supporting Communist/Fascist/Liberal/Marxist/Progressive/Socialist politicians. Sadly, they refused to pay attention. Too late, they’ve realized that the political Left demands that the only Deity that be worshipped is The State.

oldleprechaun on July 8, 2014 at 1:27 PM

oldleprechaun on July 8, 2014 at 1:27 PM

The rank and file Catholics who venture out into the world with the poor as their burden, aren’t much about the politics of faith. The religious who mission to Central and South America I’ve seen in my travels care little of it and usually live in a similar squalor as those they mission to. And they’re not the ones making church policy.

Again, the story is specifically about these women being maligned.

hawkdriver on July 8, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Jeers to NOW for using ‘Dirty’ as a snarky label, but that’s not the argument.
Presenting it that way is indeed laughable.
I guess it’s a tit-for-tat, everyone dismiss the other side as an idiot approach.

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 12:18 PM

What is your argument? That the Little Sisters of the Poor have done or said something to the “other side” ? And that this attack from NOW is therefore just snarky “tit for tat”?

Please link your source.

Can’t, can you? Because you have made this up out of whole cloth, unable as you are to condemn a leftist women’s organization for a public attack on a group wholly virtuous women who choose to live a life of prayer and service.

How pathetic and small you are.

Dolce Far Niente on July 8, 2014 at 1:20 PM

You’re not following.

I’m saying that the legal and public healthy policy argument being made in opposition to LS’s position is not ‘that contraception is so inaccessible that nuns have to be forced to provide it to themselves’.

Also, it’s safe to view ‘Jeers to NOW’ as a condemnation.
So I guess I am able.

How confused and inept at comprehension you are.

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 1:42 PM

I DEMAND That YOU Pay For MY Wedding!

Resist We Much on July 8, 2014 at 1:21 PM

E Gimmedat Unum! Priceless.

NOMOBO on July 8, 2014 at 1:43 PM

I DEMAND That YOU Pay For MY Wedding!

On the other hand, the Left believes that there is a fundamental right of ‘access’ to ‘free’ birth control whether it is paid for by taxpayers or employers.

Resist We Much on July 8, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Who is getting free BC?
is it the same employees who are getting free health insurance?
This would be the same ones who get free 401Ks?
And these people also get free social security?
And what about all those free paychecks?

Hard to believe folks just expect their employers to give them all this ‘free’ stuff…right?
/

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Hard to believe folks just expect their employers to give them all this ‘free’ stuff…right?
/

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 1:53 PM

You equate a 401K to opposition to infanticide? You’re pathetic.

hawkdriver on July 8, 2014 at 1:55 PM

What’s next? The Little Sisters are “on the wrong side of history”?

will77jeff on July 8, 2014 at 1:58 PM

N.O.W. is a nothing organization. It’s been around for 48 years, and today “boasts” of 550,000 members in a whopping 55 chapters.

It’s a nothing organization because women just aren’t as stupid as its founders thought they were. Nobody cares what N.O.W. says or does…. except the lame and lazy media.

itsacookbook on July 8, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Who is getting free BC?
is it the same employees who are getting free health insurance?
This would be the same ones who get free 401Ks?
And these people also get free social security?
And what about all those free paychecks?

Hard to believe folks just expect their employers to give them all this ‘free’ stuff…right?
/

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 1:53 P

Genius: you can pick up a month’s supply of birth control at the Wal-Mart pharmacy counter for less than $5. If you can’t pay $5 for birth control, you shouldn’t have sex and you’re obviously not employed or on welfare.

So, how much closer to free do you want?

NOMOBO on July 8, 2014 at 2:01 PM

God will get NOW, don’t worry.

Actually, NOW has been actively evil for quite some time.

They’re just unconcerned about hiding it now.

Athos on July 8, 2014 at 12:14 PM

When were they not evil?

formwiz on July 8, 2014 at 2:03 PM

God bless the Little Sisters of the Poor.

Fleuries on July 8, 2014 at 2:17 PM

Hard to believe folks just expect their employers to give them all this ‘free’ stuff…right?
/

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 1:53 PM

You equate a 401K to opposition to infanticide? You’re pathetic.

hawkdriver on July 8, 2014 at 1:55 PM

What?
I equate calling health insurance acquired as part of being remunerated for working as ‘free’ with saying the same as those others as work benefits.
Now you can respond to the actual point I was making.

(And no, I do not equate birth control with infanticide.)

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 2:22 PM

PRAYER TO
SAINT MICHAEL
THE ARCHANGEL

St. Michael the Archangel…

workingclass artist on July 8, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Before the end of the week, I’ll have some RC tell me that RCs don’t pray to “saints,” rather they only ask them to pray for the supplicant, just like asking a friend to pray for you, Etc.

When we pray to the saints, we’re simply asking them to help us, by praying to God on our behalf, or thanking them for having already done so.

Catholicism.about.com

That didn’t take long.

mankai on July 8, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Who is getting free BC?
is it the same employees who are getting free health insurance?
This would be the same ones who get free 401Ks?
And these people also get free social security?
And what about all those free paychecks?

Hard to believe folks just expect their employers to give them all this ‘free’ stuff…right?
/

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 1:53 P

Genius: you can pick up a month’s supply of birth control at the Wal-Mart pharmacy counter for less than $5. If you can’t pay $5 for birth control, you shouldn’t have sex and you’re obviously not employed or on welfare.

So, how much closer to free do you want?

NOMOBO on July 8, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Like Hawkdriver, you’re missing the point.
I’m responding to RWM’s accusing those who receive BC coverage via their workplace health insurance plan as getting something for ‘free’.
They are paying for it in that case as much as they would be if they were buying at Walmart for $5.
(And man are those some cheap IUDs).

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 2:28 PM

I’m saying that the legal and public healthy policy argument being made in opposition to LS’s position is not ‘that contraception is so inaccessible that nuns have to be forced to provide it to themselves’.

Enkighten us- what is the argument for forcing the nuns to pay for birth control for themselves? (Please- try to construct a comprehensible sentence before you accuse others of not following your thought processes. I realize English is your second language, but even so, you should make an effort).

Also, it’s safe to view ‘Jeers to NOW’ as a condemnation.
So I guess I am able.

How confused and inept at comprehension you are.

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Yes indeed, the word “jeers” is a strong condemnation
*snort*
but you are using it in reference to NOW using the adjective dirty. You condemn their poor choice of words, not their actions. Can I assume you approve of NOW’s attack on the Sisters?

I stand by my statement, but you apparently must be forced to stand by yours.

Dolce Far Niente on July 8, 2014 at 2:28 PM

(And no, I do not equate birth control with infanticide.)

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Hobby Lobby’s insurance plan includes 16 types of birth control coverage. So it’s all good then.

As for infanticide, do I get to decide for you what constitutes infanticide?

mankai on July 8, 2014 at 2:29 PM

I’m saying that the legal and public healthy policy argument being made in opposition to LS’s position is not ‘that contraception is so inaccessible that nuns have to be forced to provide it to themselves’.
(Verbaluce)

Enkighten us- what is the argument for forcing the nuns to pay for birth control for themselves? (Please- try to construct a comprehensible sentence before you accuse others of not following your thought processes. I realize English is your second language, but even so, you should make an effort).

Dolce Far Niente on July 8, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Do you think the issue here is birth control for nuns?
I just want to be sure you understand what you are asking…along with whether you understand what the case before the court is on this issue.

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 2:37 PM

(And no, I do not equate birth control with infanticide.)

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Hobby Lobby’s insurance plan includes 16 types of birth control coverage. So it’s all good then.

As for infanticide, do I get to decide for you what constitutes infanticide?

mankai on July 8, 2014 at 2:29 PM

I’m aware of that, yes
Do you know that the case and ruling did not only apply to Hobby Lobby? And you’re also aware that the ruling extended to those 16 that HL is currently allowing their employees to have coverage for?
IOW, it’s irrelevant that HL offers those 16. Their argument – which they won – was to be allowed to deny coverage for any and all forms of BC.

I don’t get your ‘do I get to decide for you what constitutes infanticide’ aside. I wrote (in response to someone else) that I did not equate BC with that…not that you did or didn’t.

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Do you think the issue here is birth control for nuns?
I just want to be sure you understand what you are asking…along with whether you understand what the case before the court is on this issue.

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Sorry, you don’t understand. This is exactly what the issue is about. You wish to insist the issue is about more.

Therefore you come up looking cartoonish by insisting under threat of law to push birth control on celibate nuns in their 60′s who not only have no reason for this but have a deep moral commitment against it.

Keep it up, it makes the whole silly movement look silly.

itsspideyman on July 8, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Who is getting free BC? is it the same employees who are getting free health insurance? This would be the same ones who get free 401Ks? And these people also get free social security? And what about all those free paychecks?

Hard to believe folks just expect their employers to give them all this ‘free’ stuff…right? /

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Exactly, it has a cost and my salary is therefore lower. For something I neither want nor need. Why does Obama, a male, force me to pay for birth control I don’t want? I am currently covered for all sorts of things I don’t want or need, It’s mandated by law. On the other hand things that I might need I can’t afford, so don’t get. How stupid and wasteful is that? And what do these things have to do with my employer?

Esperanza on July 8, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Katie Pavlich has a new book out today called Assault and Flattery

Clever title!

itsnotaboutme on July 8, 2014 at 3:36 PM

(And no, I do not equate birth control with infanticide.)

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 2:22 PM

You sure did. You’re on a blog article where a corporation is railing against funding abortion. You made a comment comparing other corporate benefits to it. Who the fuck do you think you’re kidding?

hawkdriver on July 8, 2014 at 3:49 PM

A reminder that these are the people that vote democrat and that platform is godless. The platform stands for baby killing in the womb and immorality. What would shock you about this? The hags in now are baby killers and support it as their cause. There is repentance and forgiveness but first one must seek it. Attacking Gods servants is not wise and He will have the final word.

crosshugger on July 8, 2014 at 3:50 PM

(And no, I do not equate birth control with infanticide.)

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 2:22 PM

You sure did. You’re on a blog article where a corporation is railing against funding abortion. You made a comment comparing other corporate benefits to it. Who the “hell” do you think you’re kidding?

hawkdriver on July 8, 2014 at 3:50 PM

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Did you even read my piece?

If you had, you wouldn’t have brought up SS. Even though people pay into the programme, THERE IS NO ‘RIGHT’ TO SOCIAL SECURITY.

Employers haven’t been required to provide insurance to their employees. Even if the Employer Mandate survives (and there is increasing doubt about it), employers STILL WILL NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE INSURANCE TO THEIR EMPLOYEES. Instead, they can merely pay a fine.

As an aside, if the EM falls, a substantial part of the Hobby Lobby situation goes away. Hobby Lobby, and other companies like them, can merely stop providing insurance and dump their employees on the exchanges. I’m sure that, unlike many other businesses, Hobby Lobby, which already pays its lowliest employee twice the minimum wage, will adjust compensation in that case.

If marriage and contraception are both fundamental, individual rights, then I think that YOU should pay for my extremely expensive, next wedding…if I ever decide to play the lamb being led to the slaughter again.

Resist We Much on July 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Verb – you are wrong – not of those things you referenced are free. Healthcare is not free – though some procedures are, but most are subject to deductibles and co-pays. 401(k) are usually at no cost but increasingly – due to specious lawsuits on costs of funds – are not unheard of to charge a cost to the participant.

Part of your renumeration is access to pay for healthcare at reduced/insured rates via a weekly/monthly premium.

HHS decreed that contraception is “preventative medicine” to make it a free essential covered benefit in plan design. Now as we both know it was really done for political purposes to support a war on women theme that in reality is actually done by dems more than anyone else, but I digress.

Of course – in reality, the employer eventually is only probably paying 75-80% of the cost of “free contraception”. Employees via their premiums are picking up the balance – soon enough employers will find ways to make sure that specific cost if great enough is borne by the group who is actually costing them the money – but that will be somewhere down the road.

Zomcon JEM on July 8, 2014 at 4:25 PM

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 2:37 PM

In part yes it is.

Zomcon JEM on July 8, 2014 at 4:28 PM

oldleprechaun on July 8, 2014 at 1:27 PM

It would be right if the defenders of the Catholic Church – and I consider myself in that group on this site – would realize what our old irish midget is saying is very true.

When you get caught up in social justice as being mandated through govt policy and spending eventually you allow yourself to be eaten by the beast. I think the Church has slowly been figuring it out, but the criicism offered here is accurate.

Jesus said to give unto Caeser what is Caeser’s. But he didn’t then say petition Caeser for funds to do your good works. He asked individuals and the Church to do good works. Faith and works is a human thing – not a govt thing. Catholic groups have missed this distinction massively in their support of the mega welfare state. And in this miss Pope Francis continues it.

The 2012 election was the first sign that the Church realizes it is really under attack – not from unbelievers, but from the political officals who publically maintain they are among the faithful. They clearly are not. It won’t be the first mistake the Church ever made and it will not be the last.

Zomcon JEM on July 8, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Dirty, totally intolerant, liberal, morons………….. Their stupidity is blatant.

ultracon on July 8, 2014 at 5:05 PM

NOW is about power, not women. Don’t be deceived.

flataffect on July 8, 2014 at 7:20 PM

I didn’t scroll through all the comments so I apologize if I’m repeating.

I worked at a LSOP nursing home in nursing school and it was hands down the best nursing home I’ve ever been in. It smelled good (hard to achieve at a nursing home), it was bright, clean and uplifting. The residents were happy and well-cared for. The nuns worked the floor with us, even the administrators. They were always around, always cheerful, and always good to the residents. I LOVED it, and so did the elderly. Shame on NOW, and I hope this wakes women up to the reality of NOW’s agenda.

ImmigrantsWife on July 8, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Patsy Ireland is on the Kelly File right now trying to defend this crap.

slickwillie2001 on July 8, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Jeers to NOW for using ‘Dirty’ as a snarky label, but that’s not the argument.
Presenting it that way is indeed laughable.
I guess it’s a tit-for-tat, everyone dismiss the other side as an idiot approach.

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 12:18 PM

When you know you have nothing else, equivocate, even if it isn’t true.

You are a liar, there is no equivalency in this issue, or the Hobby Lobby case. There is right, and there is wrong. Government attempting to deny religious liberty to a person or organization is unconstitutional, period.

Freelancer on July 8, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Their argument – which they won – was to be allowed to deny coverage for any and all forms of BC.

I don’t get your ‘do I get to decide for you what constitutes infanticide’ aside. I wrote (in response to someone else) that I did not equate BC with that…not that you did or didn’t.

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Another lie. Their argument was to not be forced by government to pay for, and thereby become an accomplice to the use of, a product which is deemed by their corporate religious conscience as inducing infanticide. A product which is considered birth control, but does not fall into that narrowly defined category, is not subject to the outcome of this case.

Freelancer on July 8, 2014 at 11:02 PM

You all do realize that the Little Sisters of the Poor have secular employees, don’t you?

http://www.littlesistersofthepoor.org/placeforyou/employment.

jim56 on July 8, 2014 at 11:49 PM

Do you know that the case and ruling did not only apply to Hobby Lobby? And you’re also aware that the ruling extended to those 16 that HL is currently allowing their employees to have coverage for?
IOW, it’s irrelevant that HL offers those 16. Their argument – which they won – was to be allowed to deny coverage for any and all forms of BC.

verbaluce on July 8, 2014 at 2:42 PM

So? Buy your own BC, there is nothing in the ruling that sets a single limit on that. It merely states that you can’t force someone else to violate their conscience by being forced to buy it for you.

Why do you hate liberty? Even your own?

runawayyyy on July 9, 2014 at 3:33 PM