Former McCain chief of staff: If Rand Paul is the 2016 nominee, Republicans concerned with national security will have to support Hillary

posted at 6:41 pm on July 7, 2014 by Allahpundit

I’m two weeks late on this and wouldn’t have noticed it at all had the key bit not been quoted in this weekend’s NYT op-ed on the (potential) great Hillary/neoconservative alliance.

But it should be noticed.

The shortcomings of President Obama as a statesman are numerous and obvious. He may be the worst foreign policy president in my lifetime, surpassing even the inept Jimmy Carter. Almost any one of the serious 2016 presidential candidates in either of our major parties would be an improvement over the incumbent commander-in-chief.

The glaring exception is the junior senator from Kentucky. His foreign policy views, steeped as they are in the crackpot theories that inform his father’s worldview, are so ill-conceived that were he to win the nomination, Republican voters seriously concerned with national security would have no responsible recourse other than to vote for Hillary Clinton.

It’s not just any Capitol Hill apparatchik who wrote that. It’s Mark Salter, Maverick’s right-hand man for 20 years, chief speechwriter during his 2008 presidential campaign, and co-author of numerous books with McCain. If he’s thinking this way, it makes me wonder what McCain’s thinking. And if McCain’s thinking this way, it makes me wonder what sort of schism we might see in 2016 if Rand ends up as the nominee. I wrote about that last year. Maverick will deny it (for now), of course, but I’ve always thought there’s a real chance that he’d cross the aisle and endorse Hillary if Paul wins the Republican nomination. Joe Lieberman did it for him in 2008 in the name of national security, remember. McCain would simply be repaying the kindness to another hawkish Democrat. (With a speaking gig at the Dem convention, maybe?) What he ends up doing will depend on whether he decides to run for Senate again in 2016 after all. Can’t run as a Republican if you’re backing a Democrat for the White House that November, right? Either Maverick would have to retire, leaving him free to endorse who he likes, or he’ll have to play ball with Paul 2016. Although, McCain being McCain, maybe he’d enjoy the challenge of sticking it to the “wacko birds” by endorsing Hillary and winning the Republican primary anyway. If he ends up losing, he can always blame the “ideological extremists” in his own party and go out a martyr.

Via the Right Scoop, here’s Maverick doing his best to deflect a Hillary question this weekend. By the way, how soon before we see Team Rand reaching out to McCain to find common ground? They know there’s a chance that McCain would cross the aisle if Paul’s the nominee and they know that could be damaging in feeding the “Paul’s too extreme” narrative that Democrats will be pushing to undecideds. They can live with him staying neutral, probably, but that may come at a price. What’s the price? Or does this matter at all given that there are likely to be other prominent hawks, starting with Dick Cheney, who walk away from the GOP in 2016 if Paul’s the nominee? Obviously it matters to Hillary — she’d much rather tout McCain’s endorsement than Cheney’s given their respective levels of public approval — but we’re destined to have a big-name GOP defection or two in 2016 if Paul’s the pick no matter what McCain does. Salter’s column is an early warning.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2

John McVain and his entire staff can go to hell.

oscarwilde on July 7, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Wasn’t this the cabal that took a giant $hit all over Palin the first chance they got???

BigWyo on July 7, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Hillary/McCain — creeps for 2016

Buy stocks in diapers/Depends.

Schadenfreude on July 7, 2014 at 6:48 PM

And we should listen to someone that was involved in McCain’s ’08 campaign strategy because?

iceman1960 on July 7, 2014 at 6:48 PM

OT, you racists, you.

Schadenfreude on July 7, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Rand Paul is not going to get the nomination.

terryannonline on July 7, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Wasn’t this the cabal that took a giant $hit all over Palin the first chance they got???

BigWyo on July 7, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Yes, the same cabal that that decided it was better to commit suicide than allow Sarah to become Vice President.

oscarwilde on July 7, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Riiiiiight. A vote for Hillary is a vote for National security. Ambassador Stevens and 3 others weren’t available to comment…

sandee on July 7, 2014 at 6:49 PM

The Maverick speaks and everyone retches. He’ll support Hillary because Paul doesn’t want to bomb folks. For God’s sake Arizona, vote the guy out: he’s an embarrassment.

The Grinch on July 7, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Former McCain chief of staff: If Rand Paul is the 2016 nominee, Republicans concerned with national security perpetual warmongering will have to support Hillary

Fixed

antifederalist on July 7, 2014 at 6:50 PM

I’m more concerned with Paul’s views on Amnesty.

But really Hillary is supposed to make us more secure, really???

Ukiah on July 7, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Republican voters seriously concerned with national security would have no responsible recourse other than to vote for Hillary Clinton.

No doubt these would be Republicans Salter knows in his circle….but then they aren’t really Republicans, just DIABLOs or RINOs who would be happy to work with President Shrillary.

No true Republican voter would ever seriously even consider voting for Shrillary let alone actually doing such an evil deed.

hawkeye54 on July 7, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Rand Paul is not going to get the nomination.

terryannonline on July 7, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Exactly!

itsnotaboutme on July 7, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Salter resigned because he didn’t have the guts to go after Barack. No more need be said.

Also, I wonder if the back-stabbers, Nicolle Wallace & Steve Schmidt, will work for Shrillary.

SouthernGent on July 7, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Solution: Ted Cruz.

BuckeyeSam on July 7, 2014 at 6:53 PM

It’s Mark Salter, Maverick’s right-hand man for 20 years, chief speechwriter during his 2008 presidential campaign, and co-author of numerous books with McCain.

Judging by the quality of McCain’s 2008 campaign, this guy is a clinical idiot. Not only that, I shudder to think what McCain has likely been using his “right hand” for.

Rix on July 7, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Only Vichy/Moderate republicans can cross party lines. If Conservatives team up with libertarians, the mods go ape sh*t crazy.

portlandon on July 7, 2014 at 6:53 PM

They’re talking about this on Special Report.

Steve Hayes isn’t buying it. He says Clinton is Obama on foreign policy.

BuckeyeSam on July 7, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Former McCain chief of staff: If Rand Paul is the 2016 nominee, Republicans concerned with national security will have to support Hillary

What difference at that point would it make?

Stoic Patriot on July 7, 2014 at 6:54 PM

But really Hillary is supposed to make us more secure, really???

Ukiah on July 7, 2014 at 6:51 PM

What I was think as well. Hillary blows with the wind. If the country wants some isolationism…..that’s what we will get.

terryannonline on July 7, 2014 at 6:54 PM

If Rand Paul is the nominee, I don’t know whut I’d do. I’ll listen to the ‘debates’ and hyperbole from both camps before I make the decision to vote or not. I will NOT vote for Billary/Killary. Might just stay home, have another beer and if Paul’s elected and spins the country off to Lib Land, I can brag that I didn’t vote for Ron, er, Rand.

vnvet on July 7, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Republicans concerned with national security will have to support Hillary

And what a national security powerhouse she is!

–Tuzla dash
–Reset button
–”At this point what difference does it make?”
–Supporters can’t name any foreign policy accomplishments

itsnotaboutme on July 7, 2014 at 6:55 PM

And there you have it — crystal clear affirmation of everything we have ever said about McLame and his Democrat staff. McCain is indistinguishable from Hillary on the majority of political issues and is a personal admirer of the wretched crook, not surprising given his own indifference to honesty and ethics.

Once again I offer my apology to those here who argued during the 2008 campaign that it would make more sense to allow a cockroach like O’Bozo the Clown to ruin things quickly than to allow a Democrat like McCain to ruin them slowly. You were right.

Jaibones on July 7, 2014 at 6:56 PM

The Maverick speaks and everyone retches. He’ll support Hillary because Paul doesn’t want to bomb folks. For God’s sake Arizona, vote the guy out: he’s an embarrassment.

The Grinch on July 7, 2014 at 6:49 PM

He comes up for re-election in 2016, if he makes it that far. Still he has a lot of time to be a knife in the back of his own party and a detriment to our Republic.

hawkeye54 on July 7, 2014 at 6:56 PM

But really Hillary is supposed to make us more secure, really???

Ukiah

Of course. Just ask Ambassador Stevens.

xblade on July 7, 2014 at 6:56 PM

These people are completely delusional

crankyoldlady on July 7, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Rand Paul is not going to get the nomination.

terryannonline on July 7, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Exactly!

itsnotaboutme on July 7, 2014 at 6:52 PM

No matter who gets the GOP nomination, McAmnesty will be inclined to be more supportive of the opponent.

hawkeye54 on July 7, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Judging by the quality of McCain’s 2008 campaign, this guy is a clinical idiot.

Rix on July 7, 2014 at 6:53 PM

McCain actually got a higher percentage of the national vote than the average of all GOP congressional candidates.
This during a time when the media were having a collective orgasm over the prospect of a Black president.
This is not say he was a great candidate. He certainly was not. But he was not the terrible campaigner that some on the Right say he was.

itsnotaboutme on July 7, 2014 at 6:59 PM

As for Mark Butt-Boy Salter, let us only remember the hilarious and pathetic work he performed for his client, McLame, in 2008. If his opinion is to be considered at all, then consider it the opinion of a talentless nitwit. Witness the wonder of McLame’s final month of campaigning.

Jaibones on July 7, 2014 at 7:00 PM

What happened to “We must support the republican no matter what” load usually being shoveled by the rinotard crowd?

xblade on July 7, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Asked and answered. Back off.

Jaibones on July 7, 2014 at 7:01 PM

It might be helpful if all those guys joined the Democrat Party and left the GOP to become the dominant party for the foreseeable future.
Do any of those neocons think they can find any suckers to fight their losing wars after the experience of the last 55 years? If the US can’t fight a war to win both tactically and strategically it has no business putting it’s oar in the water. How about those Marines who fought with such bravery, valor, and tactical brilliance in Ramaidi and Fallujah, now ISIS territory? What a waste. Remember those pallets of $100 bills we sent to Iraq? Jeeze, are we stupid.

Viator on July 7, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Judging by the quality of McCain’s 2008 campaign, this guy is a clinical idiot.

Rix on July 7, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Bing.

Jaibones on July 7, 2014 at 7:01 PM

She didn’t go hang out with hum in Sedona to talk about the weather. They have been colluding for a while.

Mostly about arming muslims I would assume.

wolly4321 on July 7, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Paul is not going to be the GOP candidate. He just isn’t.

The GOP decision that it has to make is simple: do we go with someone Conservative (Cruz), or do we go with another marshmallow like Romney.

The Republican party is so inept at this point that I bet they run, for the third time, another marshmallow.

WhatSlushfund on July 7, 2014 at 7:02 PM

The really idiotic thing about this is that Hillary has proven herself to be a total in the tank islamist supporter and an appeaser on Russia and China…so who would she be tough on? Maybe Israel as she is over Jew hater as well

georgealbert on July 7, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Don’t worry about it–Rand Paul won’t get the Republican nomination. Republicans who care about national security (a majority within the party) will remember Ron Paul talking like a Democrat in numerous Republican primary debates, and wonder whether the apple has fallen far enough from the tree. Rand Paul needs to think about 2016…for a second term as Senator from Kentucky.

Steve Z on July 7, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Can we get a comment from the family of Christopher Stevens, on this?
.
It needs to be a family member, ’cause Christopher himself is unavailable, at this time.

listens2glenn on July 7, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Great messaging. I think I’ll bring a lighter on election day and torch the top of the ballot.

Bishop on July 7, 2014 at 7:04 PM

No matter who gets the GOP nomination, McAmnesty will be inclined to be more supportive of the opponent.

hawkeye54 on July 7, 2014 at 6:58 PM

“McAmnesty” supported Romney.

Look, McCain has drifted leftward for the last few years. But he is still a Republican, & he’s still our ally more than 70% of the time.
Why the incessant hate, the wild exaggerations?

itsnotaboutme on July 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Yes, the same cabal that that decided it was better to commit suicide than allow Sarah to become Vice President.

oscarwilde on July 7, 2014 at 6:49 PM

I thought it was more along the lines to make sure Maverick got back to the Senate.

BigWyo on July 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM

The Republican party is so inept at this point that I bet they run, for the third time, another marshmallow.

WhatSlushfund on July 7, 2014 at 7:02 PM

.
As long as there’s “open primaries”, what are we going to do to prevent it?

listens2glenn on July 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM

terryannonline
Rand Paul is not going to get the nomination.

Correct. Way to many progressives in the GOP for that to happen

GtM on July 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Do any of those neocons think they can find any suckers to fight their losing wars after the experience of the last 55 years? If the US can’t fight a war to win both tactically and strategically it has no business putting it’s oar in the water.

Viator on July 7, 2014 at 7:01 PM

I don’t blame the soldiers nor the planners, necessarily. The blame for our gutless withdrawal and subsequent squandering of life and treasure is on the American people, gutless pansies that they are. They elected a horde of liberal nitwits, then made O’Bozo the Clown their King, all because they lacked the moral clarity to finish the job in Iraq.

Pure and simple. And if you cheered their sickening cowardice, shame on you.

Jaibones on July 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM

I hear Chelsea is going to join the Army and become a platoon leader in the next lame war we lose.

Viator on July 7, 2014 at 7:07 PM

Rand Paul is not going to get the nomination.

terryannonline on July 7, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Exactly!

itsnotaboutme on July 7, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Right, making this a meaningless story other than illustrating for the nth time what a douche Johnny Mac is.

slickwillie2001 on July 7, 2014 at 7:08 PM

FU Jaibones, how much combat have you seen?

Viator on July 7, 2014 at 7:08 PM

It’s no wonder McCain’s people hated Sarah.

vityas on July 7, 2014 at 7:10 PM

“McAmnesty” supported Romney.

itsnotaboutme on July 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM

You have a point there, you should probably put your hat back on it…

Who else was he going to support???

The guy that handed him his s$$ for years prior????

BigWyo on July 7, 2014 at 7:10 PM

FU Jaibones, how much combat have you seen?

Viator on July 7, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Not much. Point?

Jaibones on July 7, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Republicans concerned with national security will have to support Hillary

Riiiiiiiiiiight!!!

With Hillary in charge, we can ALL be as safe as an Ambassador in Benghazi!!!

Vince Foster nods his approval, too.

landlines on July 7, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Why the incessant hate, the wild exaggerations?

itsnotaboutme

Ironic.

xblade on July 7, 2014 at 7:12 PM

What is McCain thinking?

That senile old war bird? What difference does it make, at this point?

socalcon on July 7, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Do any of those neocons think they can find any suckers to fight their losing wars after the experience of the last 55 years?

FU Jaibones

Viator on July 7, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Yeah, I’m sure they do. And I’ll be they’re right. Do you know different?

Jaibones on July 7, 2014 at 7:13 PM

The Maverick speaks and everyone retches. He’ll support Hillary because Paul doesn’t want to bomb folks. For God’s sake Arizona, vote the guy out: he’s an embarrassment.

The Grinch on July 7, 2014 at 6:49 PM

This wasn’t McCain.

CW on July 7, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Wanna bet?

formwiz on July 7, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Correct. Way to many progressives in the GOP for that to happen

GtM on July 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Frankly, I think libertarians are closer to progressives than many in the GOP but we can agree to disagree.

terryannonline on July 7, 2014 at 7:15 PM

My lack of interest in continuuing the Obama Contingency Doctrine via Rand Paul doesn’t mean I vote for Hilary, and who McCain endorses I doubt influences anyone beyond Graham. Who cares?

It might mean a whole lot of Independents and Libertarian’s will also make the leap to Hilary, though. Those are the groups more likely to be swing voters than Republicans, regardless of the which direction they actually leap in ’16. Two years is a big window to view the collapse of the Contingency doctrine in, no?

And that’s before you get to Rands unerring aim for the same safe, non-controversial poll-approved filibusters and opinions BO made a name for himself with, along with his endorsement of GOP establishment figures.
Rand isn’t a bad guy. I supported his campaign for Senator. But he’s not busting down any glass ceilings, either.

Recon5 on July 7, 2014 at 7:15 PM

itsnotaboutme

He’s never going to leave his wife for you, Lindsey.

xblade on July 7, 2014 at 7:16 PM

He’ll support Hillary …

The Grinch on July 7, 2014 at 6:49 PM

This wasn’t McCain.

CW on July 7, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Doesn’t matter. I have no doubt whatsoever that McCain will vote for Clinton and support her publicly. None. Salter is just his mouthpiece.

Jaibones on July 7, 2014 at 7:16 PM

Rand Paul gets the nomination? Yeah, and monkeys will fly out of my butt.

But assuming for a moment that there’s a rip in the fabric of the space-time continuum, and RP does get the nomination, then Salter is correct, not even garden-variety idiots would trust him on foreign policy. Only the truly brain-dead would vote for him, and that limits him to ~30% of the population.

Come to think of it, given Paul pere, it’s a reasonable assumption to believe that Paul fils is one of the 30%.

Splashman on July 7, 2014 at 7:16 PM

He’s never going to leave his wife for you, Lindsey.

xblade on July 7, 2014 at 7:16 PM

Heh.

Jaibones on July 7, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Who else was he going to support???

The guy that handed him his s$$ for years prior????

BigWyo on July 7, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Bing.

Jaibones on July 7, 2014 at 7:19 PM

“They will tell you whom they fear”

/Rush Limbaugh

Key West Reader on July 7, 2014 at 7:21 PM

it would be pretty stupid for anyone that is concerned about national security to throw in with the Ds…after they eviscerated W for years and years, and undermined the war effort

but that’s ok, we don’t call them rinos for nothing. The neo-con movement actually has no where to go…they can’t go back. home to the D party. But honestly, if they listen without hatred they might be able to live with Rand Paul.

r keller on July 7, 2014 at 7:21 PM

JOHNNAH!!!

we’re the lords of the underworld

JOHNNAH!!!

fill my heart with pain

Axe on July 7, 2014 at 7:22 PM

There’s an idea. We’ll do a write-in for Hayes. He’s better informed and balanced than either one of the maybe-rans in question.

They’re talking about this on Special Report.

Steve Hayes isn’t buying it. He says Clinton is Obama on foreign policy.

BuckeyeSam on July 7, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Recon5 on July 7, 2014 at 7:22 PM

I hear Chelsea is going to join the Army and become a platoon leader in the next lame war we lose.

Viator on July 7, 2014 at 7:07 PM

Her mother should step up.

Key West Reader on July 7, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Look, McCain has drifted leftward for the last few years. But he is still a Republican, & he’s still our ally more than 70% of the time.
Why the incessant hate, the wild exaggerations?

itsnotaboutme on July 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM

He for many years has a penchant for drifting left, veering back to thee right to secure re-election. The incessant unexaggerated dislike? Perhaps because he spends a whole lot more time publicly criticizing members of his own supposed party, and the party’s stand on issues, than he does the dems, while he too often friendlier practicing bipartisanship party not necessarily for the good of the nation.

hawkeye54 on July 7, 2014 at 7:24 PM

… while he too often is practicing bipartisanship with and friendlier to the other party and not necessarily for the good of the nation.

Fixed.

Mostly its all about the good of Juan McAmnesty and nothing else.

hawkeye54 on July 7, 2014 at 7:26 PM

I get why AP thinks Rand has a decent chance at the nomination.

But perhaps AP is overestimating the likelihood that Rand Paul can actually capture the nomination. The knives will be out, all paid for from Adelson’s (and other) deep pockets. Rand is a decent debater but 2016 will be a compressed debate season compared to 2012 which ends a lot of free publicity for candidates who otherwise lack deep pocket backing.

I don’t see any comparable combo of tycoons willing to bankroll Team Rand. He will likely do well in IA but the Romney machine will be behind Christie in NH. SC is probably a tough win for Rand, depending on the mood of the military-oriented voters there. Then comes Florida where you need at least one big tycoon to bankroll you in the era of Citizens United.

I’m not saying Rand isn’t worth discussing but AP is writing a lot of these pieces, making Rand sound about as inevitable a nominee as Hillary supposedly is. And neither of them is all that inevitable.

Maybe we could have a similar piece on Scott Walker. The readers here would probably like a little variety.

Toocon on July 7, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Hmmm, if I remember correctly, McCain didn’t do so well in 2008. And when the Republicans nominated someone just like him in 2012, they didn’t do so well, either. So why in God’s name are we listening to ANY of these people who support LOSERS like McCain?

Call me crazy, but I’d like to win the election in 2016. So why do we even CARE what the establishment Republican leaders think? A lot of people hated Ronald Reagan’s conservatism, yet I think he turned out pretty well. All the Republican establishment candidates stink, so why not try something different, either via a real conservative, like Ted Cruz, or even some of the better Republican governors (like Scott Walker or Bobby Jindal) that are out there?

It’s about time the Republicans stop being ashamed of the conservatives or the libertarians in their midst. Because, if they ignore them again in 2016, they are certainly going to start their own party in 2020. After all, if they don’t have a home in the Republican Party, what do they really have to lose?

The Republican establishment is doing a fine job losing elections. How about trying to win one by running a different kind of candidate, one that people actually like?

Libertyship46 on July 7, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Absolutely insane.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on July 7, 2014 at 7:33 PM

1: not a huge fan of RP so would not vote him for potus.
2: Also would not vote for mccain again.
3: anyone who doesn’t think mccain would endorse clinton and put the screws to the whacko birds and hobbitts (both his words, remember that) is retarded. he would do it faster than he could crash a jet.

dmacleo on July 7, 2014 at 7:35 PM

McCain – the ultimate RINO/liberal

AmericaDS1234 on July 7, 2014 at 7:54 PM

McCain – the ultimate RINO/liberal. I guess it didn’t matter that Obama won

AmericaDS1234 on July 7, 2014 at 7:55 PM

There may be problems with Rand Paul’s outlook on foreign policy, but it’s kind of silly to think that Hillary isn’t worse in every single case.

Count to 10 on July 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM

“Rand Paul is not going to get the nomination.” so true, but nether will hill get the dem nomination! so what will the traitor McCain do? eat shite` and die

Rook on July 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM

P O S McCain would throw the country over to marxist/communist Hillary were Ron Paul to win nomination. How’d we wind-up with so many treasonous bassturds in power positions?

lel2007 on July 7, 2014 at 8:00 PM

It’snotaboutme….I’ll tell you why I have this insane h8te….I’m a “hobbit”/Palinista/Opponent of Bipartisan Campaign Reform/Comprehensive Immigration Reform/Supporter of Tax Cuts, Rather Paying Down the Debt/Nativist Person who does NOT Believe We Need to be in Mali or Syria, Who Does NOT Believe “These Are the Good Guys.”

Rand Paul is NOT my cup of Tea; I think Rand Paul is our side’s Barack Obama, in fact….

HOWEVER, Juan McVain delights in sticking his finger in my eye, almost every chance he gets, but he & his expect me to vote GOP “for the Good of the Nation/Party” but won’t follow the same advice they give the Hobbits….

Further, this man’s complete break with reality angers me, HILLARY?!?! In what Universe s Hillary Clinton the “National Security Candidate?”

I hope that explains my “h8te” for McCain….

JFKY on July 7, 2014 at 8:01 PM

Oh Yeah, Drmacleo provided one MORE reason to H8te McVain, I’m a “Whacko-Bird,” too. If memory serves itsnotaboutme you are a McCainaic….I will not get personal, but “your guy” seems to have a deep contempt for me, so explain how come I’m supposed to hold him in any regard, again?

JFKY on July 7, 2014 at 8:05 PM

McCain is an “Eat Your Broccoli” Republican… he thinks you ought to eat your broccoli & if you don’t he’ll be glad to not just hector, you but try to compel you to eat your broccoli….

Broccoli may be good for me & mayhap I OUGHT to eat my broccoli, but Juan McVain needs to realize that as an adult American CITIZEN, I have a Constitutionally-mandated Right to be an idiot, to include NOT eating my broccoli.

McCain is one of those hectoring, Progressive Do-Gooders who seems to believe that IF America isn’t “doing” something… defeating the Kaiser, Defeating Hitler, Opposing Communism, Going to the Moon, Having a National Syn-Fuels Program, America ISN’T doing right… he’s a National Greatness/National Purpose Republican….

Look I love America, but America doesn’t have to be DOING ANYTHING, it’s all right to make money, stay at home, to be the America of 1866-1914, to be the US of the 1920′s….I’m not an Isolationist, but I just don’t think that if we aren’t rushing about doing “good” we’ve failed as a People… but McCain does he’s a Progressive/Puritan that way…. Eat Your Broccoli, BECAUSE YOU SHOULD… he annoys the Sh!te out of me.

JFKY on July 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Either Maverick would have to retire, leaving him free to endorse who he likes, or he’ll have to play ball with Paul 2016. Although, McCain being McCain, maybe he’d enjoy the challenge of sticking it to the “wacko birds” by endorsing Hillary and winning the Republican primary anyway. If he ends up losing, he can always blame the “ideological extremists” in his own party and go out a martyr.

That sounds very maverick-y and McCain-like; I now want Rand Paul to win the GOP nomination in 2016 in part just to see how this plays out.

Aizen on July 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

…but he’s Republican!

JugEarsButtHurt on July 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Mark Salter. Let me guess, Jewish?

HugoDrax on July 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

McCain is an idiot. I want him to run again for president just to watch his campaign crater within the first week.

Does anybody think John McCain’s endorsement would sway anyone to the endorsed?

McLame is a political null value in 2016.

ROCnPhilly on July 7, 2014 at 8:31 PM

JFKY at 8:01 PM: Thank you for that excellent summation. I would only add McLame’s idiotic “across-the-aisle” excursions such as McCain-Feingold. Also, the glee he has taken over the years in poking sharp sticks into the eyes of the base of the GOP makes it difficult for me to listen to anything he says.

RedPepper on July 7, 2014 at 8:32 PM

I can identify no context in which that makes anay sense. What national security successes does Hilary have?

talkingpoints on July 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Talking points, she’s not a “whacko bird” & like McVain worships @ the altar of a powerful Federal Government.

JFKY on July 7, 2014 at 8:44 PM

I’d be curious to see the fallout from a McCain endorsement of Hillary. It could well help Paul broaden his appeal to non-traditional voters and hurt Hillary.

At some point, the GOP needs to come to terms with the fact that the US public, including a large segment of conservatives, no longer favor interventionism, giving the government the benefit of the doubt on surveillance, etc. 9-11 was 15 years ago. Policies and attitudes set in place in reaction to that horrible day are not set in stone. Nor should they be.

hamiltmc on July 7, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Umm. There is a reason McCain lost..

JEB on July 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM

whacko bird.
hobbitts
not backing AZ during its court cases over immigration
palling around with terrorists in middle east for photo ops
mccain-feingold (sp?)
keating 5
purposely derailing vietnam pow investigations
gave us megan mccain
I could go on but….

yeah I really have no reason to dislike mccain..

dmacleo on July 7, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Maybe the reason America is leaning to the non-interventionist side of things is that not since 1945 have we been able to win a war.

American would gladly support intervention where it’s needed if we planned on winning at all costs and followed up with complete conviction. That would include a declaration of war and unconditional surrender of our enemies.

The general trust in our government simply doesn’t support many more interventions.

JEB on July 7, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Why the incessant hate, the wild exaggerations?

itsnotaboutme

Ironic.

xblade on July 7, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Um, perhaps your comment is.
Do you really think there aren’t dozens of HotAir comment posters who don’t hate McCain?
Have you ignored the wild exaggerations against him within this thread?

itsnotaboutme on July 7, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Umm. There is a reason McCain lost..

JEB on July 7, 2014 at 8:59 PM

McCain actually got a higher percentage of the national vote than the average of all GOP congressional candidates.

This during a time when the media were having a collective orgasm over the prospect of a Black president.

This is not say he was a great candidate.
He certainly was not.
But he was not the terrible campaigner that some of us on the Right say he was.

itsnotaboutme on July 7, 2014 at 9:09 PM

No matter who gets the GOP nomination, McAmnesty will be inclined to be more supportive of the opponent.

hawkeye54 on July 7, 2014 at 6:58 PM

“McAmnesty” supported Romney.

Look, McCain has drifted leftward for the last few years. But he is still a Republican, & he’s still our ally more than 70% of the time.
Why the incessant hate, the wild exaggerations?

itsnotaboutme on July 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM

He’s never going to leave his wife for you, Lindsey.

xblade on July 7, 2014 at 7:16 PM

This is what happens when there’s no substance to your argument.
This thread is full of knee-jerk reactions to the mention of that hated name.

If memory serves itsnotaboutme you are a McCainaic….

JFKY on July 7, 2014 at 8:05 PM

It’s not about me, but when my guy bowed out & it was clear McCain had the best chance of winning out of the remaining candidates, I did support him.

itsnotaboutme on July 7, 2014 at 9:18 PM

1) itsnotaboutme so did I, & how has McVain repaid me… oh yeah I’m a whacko-bird & a Hobbit….
2) You keep talking about his national vote percentage….
2a) Who cares, he LOST…..
2b) That’s irrelevant to your question, “Why the h8te?”. I think you’ve been more than adequately answered…. to put it simply McCain has an obvious contempt for me, why am I supposed to have anything less for HIM?

JFKY on July 7, 2014 at 9:23 PM

McCain has self-appointed himself Leader of All the Republicans (he was the losing candidate in 2008, after all- the losing candidate of 2012 has bowed out of politics and the losing candidate of 1996 is 90 years old. Wait, wasn’t there a ‘Pub Prez from 2000 to 2008? What WAS his name??)

And as Self Appointed Leader of All the Republicans, we should give his opinions all the weight they are due.

As always, his opinions are deeply thoughtful, well informed and courteous.

/okay, I just can’t do this with a straight face.

Dolce Far Niente on July 7, 2014 at 10:06 PM

John McVain and his entire staff can go to hell.

oscarwilde on July 7, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Except the MSM loves him, and the Club utilizes him to do their bidding.

Which is why he is on HA all the time.

The overabundance of McCain articles are a waste of time, except to prove that McCain is a media creation, and he lives because he is a Clubpuppet

Ever wonder why a hypocritical cretin keeps getting called a beloved war hero, another Kennedy etc by the MSM? The MSM built Kennedy too,

For some reason, the MSM has a lot of use for McCain lately.

McCain is there to keep the Arizona door open for the Club’s needs. And he obeys the machine. Perfect Clubpuppet.

Meanwhile Paul was worming his way into the Club, since folk like Mcconnell had a need for his services, but someone has decided to knock the knees out of the machine Paul was building. I wouldnt assume the shiv originated in the McCain camp

McCain has some useful S-slingers. They did their work on Palin as soon as the party ended

entagor on July 7, 2014 at 10:47 PM

This guy is the poster child for term limits.

Go away you scarecrow without any brains.

I rue the day that I voted for this guy for President. The other option was worse, but I should have voted Libertarian instead, they were both so bad.

Theophile on July 8, 2014 at 12:52 AM

Comment pages: 1 2